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Is Pakistan Our Ally?

The sheer volume of news these past few weeks has been overwhelming–and, as Michael Crowley reports below and Bab Baer writes here–the situation in Pakistan, which I believe is the most dangerous in the world, has been deteriorating notably. The latest developments seem straight out of a spy novel. (In fact, David Ignatius’s forthcoming Bloodmoney, has some eery similarities.)

It seems there may be a covert war going on between the CIA and Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate. The key event appeared, at first, to be a road rage incident (of which there are zillions in Pakistan, believe me). A US “embassy employee” shot and killed two Pakistanis who were allegedly trying to rob him. Except the “employee”–Raymond Davis–turns out to have been a likely CIA employee and the “victims” may well have been ISI operatives. The rumor is that Davis was trying to penetrate Lashkar-e-Taiba, the terrorist group that pulled off the Mumbai massacre and is not-so-loosely affiliated with the ISI.

If these rumors are true–and they seem entirely plausible–the root cause of Pakistan’s move against the CIA may be anger that we’re getting close to the root of Pakistan’s operating hypocrisy: attempting to play our ally–and receiving $6 billion in aid–while funding the Afghan Taliban and supporting terrorist groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba.

I don’t believe we should act peremptorily and pull the plug on our relationship with Pakistan. It still has 100 nukes. The threat of an Islamist coup is very real–and we should be doing everything we can to prevent that. But this latest move, against the CIA, really necessitates a tougher, more candid conversation with the Pakistani military about which side they’re going to be on. We’ve had a decade of evasion and prevarication since 9/11–and more than a few dead American soldiers as a result of the ISI’s support for the Taliban. Meanwhile, I certainly hope the CIA continues its efforts to penetrate all terrorist groups, even those run by our nominal allies.

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  • http://www.124monkeys.com Sean DeCoursey forgot his password

    Pakistan isn’t remotely close to our ally. But sometimes they say nice stuff we want to hear if it’ll keep us paying them moneys. Also they occasionally toss up info on some guys who’ve annoyed them to serve as target practice for our drones.
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    But thanks for the reporting. Good stuff.

  • shepherdwong

    What is Pakistan?

  • robbert5

    Joe, second line, I believe it is Bob Baer and not Bab Baer?

  • nflfoghorn

    So we found out via the CYA–er, CIA that Pak hates India. Yawn.
    If they hat us so much, why’d Pak let Davis go, then?–

  • pintortwo

    Mr Klein, I’ve commented here often that the war in Afghanistan and drone attacks in Waziristan de-stabilize Pakistan, hurt US/Pak relations and make us less safe. Is there any better evidence of this than Pakistan’s army, in charge of securing their nuclear materials, demanding that US agents and contractors leave?
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    We train and support the ANA, which is dominated by India-favored ethnic groups, and set them against the Pakistani-favored Taliban. In essence, we are continuing 35 years of civil war while exacerbating already simmering tensions between the two nations regarding influence over Afghani affairs.
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    Further, we cause scores of causalities and demolish whole villages of Pashtuns in Kandahar- people with deep ethnic, religious and political ties to Pakistan. And our drone attacks in Pakistan not kill innocents, but, in the eyes of many, violate Pakistan’s sovereignty.
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    Contrary to what they’ve told you, US decision makers do not believe this war stabilizes Pakistan– they simply must know better. There are other ambitions at play. Pakistani instability is a risk they are willing to take in order to achieve other goals.
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    Call for the end of the war– in order to enhance US security.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    “I don’t believe we should act peremptorily and pull the plug on our relationship with Pakistan. It still has 100 nukes.”
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    What is the evidence for the proposition that the current structure of our relations with Pakistan increase its stability and our security?
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    “The threat of an Islamist coup is very real–and we should be doing everything we can to prevent that.”
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    It would certainly be a very bad thing, but is it something that we really want to mark as a red line? What do you think would happen? Do you think that a post-coup Pakistan would attack India and ship arms to (Shia) Iran? That seems unlikely. Anyone who gets to run a coup likes power enough to want to not to be on the receiving end of a nuclear attack.
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    Perhaps its best for us, and for their development, for Pakistan’s autocrats, whoever they are, not to have a US imprimateur. If you think I’m being too glib and/or pollyannaish about post-coup Pakistan, I’d be glad to hear your thoughts.
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    “Meanwhile, I certainly hope the CIA continues its efforts to penetrate all terrorist groups, even those run by our nominal allies.”
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    Of course. It’s the structure of our relations with Pakistan that’s at issue here. I don’t know of anyone who says “leave terrorists alone.”
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    IIRC, you have written that we should occupy Afghanistan in order to be near Pakistan. It appears that we’re not going to be able to occupy Afghanistan into modernity. Alas. And our presence doesn’t seem to be improving Pakistan, nor our relations with Pakistanis. So why are we in Afghanistan?

  • pintortwo

    should read “..attacks in Pakistan kill innocents and,..”

  • libssd

    The rumor is that Davis was trying to penetrate Lashkar-e-Taiba, the terrorist group that pulled off the Mumbai massacre and is not-so-loosely affiliated with the ISI.
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    This is a new-to-me theory, but makes more sense than anything I have read to date about the Davis incident. I wonder who Baer’s source is? Given his past, it’s not too hard to connect the dots. In a world full of bloviating talking heads who have very little actual understanding of the Islamic world, Baer and Michael Scheuer are two of the few sources that I actually pay attention to.

  • http://redhatmandan.wordpress.com Daniel

    Is Pakistan Our Ally

    No.

    That was today’s edition of easy answers to easy questions.

  • pintortwo

    The Baer article doesn’t mention this. I think the source is Klein’s, not Baer”s.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Given the behavior of the Taliban, if they gain control of Pakistan, we really have a problem.
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    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2063794,00.html
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    The fanatical Taliban would risk anything to feed their crazy ideology. They kill fellow Muslims. I don’t believe that they would think twice about using a nuke.

  • square1

    Is Pakistan Our Ally?

    Damn! I’ve been asking that same question since the ISI gave material support to Al Qaeda to execute the 9/11 attacks.

    Of course, you can’t compare the deaths of thousands of civilians to a spook being mugged. So, we may want to rethink the relationship.

  • pintortwo

    Yeah, they might strap it to their backs and swim to NY harbor.

  • pintortwo

    I should not have implied that we are less safe due to the Pakistani army’s control of their nukes. I believe the possibility that someone could penetrate underground facilities, leave with material and a trigger, exit the country and make it into the US undetected is extremely remote, bordering on fantasy. I was referring to Klein’s theory, which I think is officially-sanctioned fear-mongering.
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    IMO, we are less safe due to resentment over our prolonged occupation, permanent bases and resulting civilian deaths as they increase the chance of old-fashioned terror attack.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Nah, they would just put it in a shipment.
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    They do have missiles. Medium range, but of course they could never acquire one that would reach you.

  • pneogy

    “Damn! I’ve been asking that same question since the ISI gave material support to Al Qaeda to execute the 9/11 attacks.”

    It wouldn’t be out of character for the ISI to do exactly that. But they would be extremely careful to wipe off their fingerprints. Do you have a credible source for the ISI-Al Quaeda-9/11 connection?

  • manuvaram

    Joe & others – A lot of Pakistan makes sense if you change your frame of reference from Pakistani national interests to the interests of the fauj (army).

    All of this is song and dance. The army has too many commercial interests and power to ever let Taliban take control. In fact, without army’s support Taliban will have almost no resources to continue its battles.

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