Newt Gingrich and the Islamic Radical States of America

Speaking before the flock of evangelical pastor John Hagee, the master of political hyperbole has outdone himself this time:

Newt Gingrich stood before thousands of evangelical churchgoers Sunday night to deliver a dire warning that nation’s Christian roots are under attack.

“I have two grandchildren — Maggie is 11, Robert is 9,” Gingrich said at Cornerstone Church here. “I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time they’re my age they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists and with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American.” [emphasis added]

Hang on–can Gingrich really believe this? The secular atheism, maybe (although the U.S. remains a highly religious country, especially relative to its industrialized peers). But an America dominated by Islamic radicals? That’s the kind of thing you’d hear from a second-tier A.M. radio Glenn Beck wannabe.

So why would Gingrich talk this way? Perhaps it’s just his showman impulse at work. Gingrich has spent the past few years earning good money as a television commentator, author and DVD producer, and he’s previously tapped into the conservative mania over creeping Sharia-ism in America. This quote would be consistent with the theory that Gingrich–whose horrendous poll numbers cast his electability into real doubt–sees the presidential campaign primarily as a giant self-promotional opportunity.

Another theory would be that Newt simply to distract people. The more attention he draws for his commentary about religion in America, however outrageous, the more evangelical Republicans–who are crucial to his prospects in Iowa–are likely to embrace him. And the less people will discuss his three marriages and two affairs, or his naked flip-flops on Libya policy.

But we can’t know what’s on Gingrich’s mind. Perhaps he really does believe that, in less than 60 years, America will be dominated by Islamic radicals. How would that work, though? Bearded mullahs chairing Congressional hearings and deciding Supreme Court cases? (Hey, people say we already have a Muslim in the White House, after all!) Would NATO jets patrol the new Caliphate to defend it from whatever Crusader rabble still remains by the 2070s?

That vision may be an easy sell on the fringes of the far right. I don’t see how Gingrich can really believe it, or think that such talk makes him more credible as a future president.

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  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Seems to me you could have bolden the previous clause as well: “in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists.”
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    I mean, just how is that going to work?
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    Unless we just reclassify them as atheists, how on earth is the atheist-Islamist coalition going to elbow aside the Jews?

  • libssd

    Newt needs to retake freshman college logic, as a secular atheist country dominated by radical Islamists makes no sense. Contradicting himself has always been one of Newt’s defining qualities, but rarely so unequivocally in the same sentence.

  • allthingsinaname

    He like the rest of the GOP is not in touch with reality. He is prime example of what the Health Care System in America is like. He is a Prime example of the state our religious institutions are in. He is a prime example of how critical thinking is lacking, understanding, and awareness is non- existent in a large segment of society. He is a prime example of why, or how we are racing to the bottom.

  • nflfoghorn

    “…That’s the kind of thing you’d hear from a second-tier A.M. radio Glenn Beck wannabe”
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    …a duplicate of the original. ;)

  • nflfoghorn

    I’m waiting on the religious athiest. PS? Sacred? Your thoughts?

  • nflfoghorn

    But hey, he can impeach a prez for lying about an affair while @ the same time HE WAS HAVING ONE HIMSELF. ‘Cause it ain’t hypocrisy unless you’re the president.
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    Burning stupid.

  • shepherdwong

    That vision may be an easy sell on the fringes of the far right.
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    Still peddling that Village trope? Gingrich is working at least half of self-identified Republicans who think Obama may be a foreign-born “other”. Wake up and smell the mass lunacy.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    “Friends don’t let friends mix talking points.”

    Gingrich spokesman Rick Tyler tells me via email that Gingrich misspoke. “‘Or’ should have come before the word ‘potentially,’” he writes.
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    Gingrich has produced documentaries about both the secular atheist threat (“Rediscovering God in America”) as well as the radical Muslim threat (“America at Risk”), but usually he talks about them separately.

    I don’t see how Gingrich can really believe it, or think that such talk makes him more credible as a future president.

    Sure gets attention, though. Helpful when trying to advertise your books or get a nifty paid speaking engagement…

    So why would Gingrich talk this way?

    My cynical inferences aside, Gingrich has no base of support outside of the Beltway and the media punditry. If he is seriously considering a run at the White House, he needs support from some part of the general population.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Gingrich.
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    Every time you post something about perennial book author and disgraced ex-Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, a chicken get choked.
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    Please. Think of the chickens.

  • nflfoghorn

    I thought of them last night. Mighty tasty.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “think that such talk makes him more credible as a future president”
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    Are you all really that thick? Newt isn’t running for President. Newt has never run for President. He goes on a tax deductible book tour under the guise of running for President. And once again the media falls for it.
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    Just like they do…
    Every.
    Single.
    Time.

  • Matt

    Newt doesn’t put an ounce of thought into what he says, so why should we contort our brains into understanding the toxic rhetoric he spews? This is so far-fetched as to defy description or understanding. America will one day be “dominated by radical Islamists”? Come on…
    http://www.sunstateactivist.org

  • filmnoia

    Now that Calamity Sarah has become yesterday’s news I guess TIME believes it’s worthwhile to spend time and energy on a huckster and charlatan like Newt. He speaks to the part of the population who are religiously insane – our own American Taliban. They are cynically used by the GOP when they need to get out the vote, otherwise Rove and Company look upon them as “useful idiots.” Mencken and Barnum understood the American character better than the MSM.

  • square1

    Here is the problem. If you are an aspiring Presidential candidate (truth be told, I think Gingrich is simply engaging in self-promotion to garner heightened book sales and speaking fees), where do you draw the line?

    This isn’t about values. This is about facts.

    Any candidate who repeats well-documented facts about economics (Keynesian theory), science (climate change), Obama’s birthplace and citizenship, or finance (Neither Fannie Mae nor lending to poor minorities caused the largest financial institutions on the planet to implode in 2008) simply cannot get the GOP nomination.

    Now add Sharia to the list.

    The question for GOP candidates is “How much wingnuttery can I repeat before I thoroughly discredit myself?”

    Imagine a Venn diagram. The first circle is for the class of “crazy stuff that a candidate needs to say to get the GOP nomination.” The second circle is “crazy stuff that will destroy a candidates chances in a general election.”

    The key political question of the moment is whether the circles overlap.

  • theotherjimmyolson

    Your not seriously going to demand logic, while Newt is talking to the lizard brain, are you? In a sane world, one which values competence this man would never be heard.

  • bobell

    Gawd knows I’m no fan or defender of Newtie, but I can just barely make sense of what he was somewhere in the vicinity of saying. Think of it as a time sequence. At some point in the future, the US will be a secular atheist country with the potential to be dominated by radical Islamists. He doesn’t say that the radical Islamists will actually take over (after all, how far into the future can anyone see?), but the potential will be there once we’ver reached the secular atheistic stage..
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    Okay, it’s still idiotic. But it’s not self-contradictory.
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    Remember, I’m not endorsing Newt. Merely trying to read his mind. Assuming he has one.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    Merely trying to read his mind.
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    I’d go heavy on the disinfectant after that.

  • ohiolibb

    While that might make a certain amount of sense to Newtie, it doesn’t change the fact that being radical muslim and being atheist are two contradictory states. Like being blue and red at the same time, or being short and tall. It just doesn’t work without doublespeak being involved.

  • m0mentom0ri

    About half of the prospective GOP primary slate are in it for book sales and self-promotion – Gingrich, Palin, Bachmann, probably Huckabee. They are far more interested in the financial gain of running and would likely panic if they actually won.
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    The other half of the GOP stable is desperately trying to appeal to voters that read and consume the red meat rhetorical product of the previously mentioned self-promoters.
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    Generally, the media can and should sort the serious candidates from the shameless self-promoters. But they don’t. So, we get article after article about Gingrich and Palin.

  • square1

    I tend to bend over backwards in order to give people the benefit of the doubt.
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    Newt’s statement could possibly make sense, even if athiests and Islamists have nothing in common if athiests promoted policies that were more likely to open the door to Sharia. For example, you could theoretically make quasi-coherent argument that Unitarian Christians are more likely to be open to Sharia because they are both religious and open-minded.
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    However, that clearly isn’t the case in the case of athiests. Athiests generally don’t want ANY religious intrusion into the public sphere. That is probably twice as true of fundamentalist Islam since Islamists tend to be even less tolerant of secular freedoms than fundamentalist Christians.

  • bobcn1

    ‘The more attention he draws for his commentary about religion in America, however outrageous, the more evangelical Republicans–who are crucial to his prospects in Iowa–are likely to embrace him.’

    The assertion being made here is that most evangelical republicans aren’t very bright. Unfortunately for the country, the assertion seems to be true.

  • anon76

    Michael is choking Newt’s chicken, you might say.

  • notfooledbydistractions

    C’mon, quit criticizing Newt for the athiest / islamic extremist impossibility – you know those he was targeting don’t even see the impossibility of his ridiculous statement. Newt did manage to string together a slew of really, really scary words. I’m sure they had the desired effect for the lemmings in his audience.

  • squirmz

    the real reason they write about him? train wreck theory. it is entertainment. no matter how baffling the commentary is, reading about the idiocy of people like newt, is fun. fun sells magazines.

    you can see the REAL value of newt as a candidate by the lack of defense thrown up by our resident conservatives.

  • outsider2011

    no no, unless you’re a dem. Repubs can’t do any wrong. Moral majority and all that. Come on man. They are perfect. It’s only the dems that want to crush the little – wait, i mean destroy America

  • shepherdwong

    The assertion being made here is that most evangelical republicans aren’t very bright.
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    To be fair, it’s not really about intelligence. It’s that psychology and belief trump intellect, especially in a society where disinformation is widespread and undifferentiated from fact by social authorities – i.e., the legacy media.

  • liberalmeltdown

    “The secular atheism, maybe (although the U.S. remains a highly religious country, especially relative to its industrialized peers).”
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    What is the definition of “religious” that you are using? About 38% of Americans attend church weekly. Is it a belief in something? A belief in God? Many people believe in God, but don’t go to church. So, are you calling them religious? As we have seen any thing you put your faith in can become your religion. Such as: Global Warming, environmentalism, atheism, wicca…
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    Are you counting these people as “religious”?
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    Carl Jung tries to define religion. His ideas might shed some light on why the US has become “an exceptional” nation while we are “highly religious.” Jung’s theories speak directly to our foundation on rights that come from God and not from men.
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    The seat of faith…is not consciousness but spontaneous religious experience, which brings the individual’s faith into immediate relation with God. (Carl Jung, The Undiscovered Self)

    Here we must ask: Have I any religious experience and immediate relation to God, and hence that certainty which will keep me, as an individual, from dissolving in the crowd? (Carl Jung, The Undiscovered Self)

    To this question there is a positive answer only when the individual is willing to fulfil the demands of rigorous self-examination and self-knowledge. If he follows through his intention, he will not only discover some important truths about himself, but will also have gained a psychological advantage: he will have succeeded in deeming himself worthy of serious attention and sympathetic interest. He will have set his hand, as it were, to a declaration, of his own human dignity and taken the first step towards the foundations of his consciousness — that is, towards the unconscious, the only accessible source of religious experience. (Carl Jung, The Undiscovered Self)
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    If you put your faith in government, then you are denying your individuality, as in Communism. Your belief is that the state should meet all your needs including your need for religion.
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    http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/crisesod/crises9.htm
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    Yes, Communism is a religion, even though the Communists would try to deny this! As David Benson has written:

    If we disregard its atheism for a moment, communism has all the trappings of an organized religion: its messiahs and saints–Marx, Engels and Lenin; its sacred scriptures–the writings of these men; a band of apostles and prophets–the Communist Party; an. elect nation–the Russian (or Chinese) people; sin–defined as rejecting communism; conversion–becoming a communist; and above all faith–that complete trust one must have in the truth of communism’s holy dogmas.

    All men, including Communists, are basically religious. If the void in men’s hearts is not filled with the living God, then some kind of false religion must be substituted in His place. Who occupies the throne of your heart? Whom do you worship (Matthew 4:10)?

  • theotherjimmyolson

    So many words, so little understanding. Will yo by recommending a dressing for this word salad?

  • sacredh

    “I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time they’re my age they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists and with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American.”

    The next time somebody tells me how brilliant Newt is, I’m going to drag this out. Brilliantly ignorant maybe. If Newt was just talking down to his audience and trying to put things into a context that they could understand, then he was either talking to a group of half-witted yahoos or else they should have stood up and walked out for being so blatantly patronized.
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    The problem for Newt is how can he possibly spin this into something that even grazes the fringes of a coherent message? A parable? An analogy? A brain fart? Unless he says that he was drunk or on medication, he’s just going to be blowing smoke. This doesn’t even come close to a debate about whether Nazis were conservative or liberal, this is pink elephants flying around the room sh!tting Easter Eggs onto plates of Christmas cookies.

  • deconstructiva

    It’s funny, if pathetic, watching Newt, T-Paw (aka the Brawny Paper Towel Guy), and other R’s cut from old-school country-club cloth – let alone Trump – trying to play me-too catch-up politics with the genuine crazies like Bachmann.

  • hippooath

    And this have to do with atheism how?
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    Lots of words to say essentially nothing about Newts idiotic statements.

  • shepherdwong

    Well that’s the story (or should be) isn’t it? You simply can’t be too crazy for the Republican base. Millions of people will completely fail to see the plain insanity of what he is saying because of their fealty to the “conservative” movement – really, right-wing authoritarian following against their assigned enemies. As long as FOX gives him air, he’ll be respected by the base, no matter how batsh!t crazy and paranoid he sounds (actually, because the base is an oppositional/reactionary force essentially motivated by fear, the more paranoid the better).
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    http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

  • formerlyjames

    OK, I come to enlighten all on this matter. What everybody fails to see is that Newt’s address was to John Hagee’s Cornerstone Church in San Antonio.
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    It not only makes sense in that place, with those people, that the collection plates probably even benefited.

  • Ivy_B

    Newt et al have more competition.

    Roy Moore, the former Alabama Supreme Court chief justice who lost his job after erecting a monument of the Ten Commandments outside the state’s courthouse, plans to announce in mid-April that he is setting up a presidential exploratory committee, an aide told CBS News.

    The aide, Zachery Michael, said Moore’s platform will be focused on repealing the health care overhaul law, replacing the progressive income tax with a flat tax and bringing “commonsense solutions” on immigration and border control.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20048033-503544.html

  • Ivy_B

    Exactly, formerlyjames. There isn’t too much crazy for Hagee’s gang.

  • sacredh

    formerlyjames, I see what you’re saying, but Newt had to have understood that even though he was talking to Hagee’s group, the speech was going to get reported on everywhere else. As a potential presidential candidate, he KNOWS that what he says anywhere is going to be discussed and dissected everywhere. I agree with deconstructiva @ 19.1, this only makes sense if he is deliberately playing catch-up crazy with the fringe candidates.

  • mike2015

    He is not just pulling that out of his ass. He might have exaggerated it a little to send across his point but there are actual numbers behind what he said. Check out this video on muslim demographics in the U.S. and around the world.

  • apr2563

    Please, please. If this keeps up, the first Republican debate will have to be held at a guarded facility so when the candidates start foaming at the mouth and threatening each other when they attempt to out extreme each other they are not allowed to immediately return to the civilized world.

  • http://tisias.wordpress.com tisias

    gah liberal i hate it when bloggers do that. If there is one thing I have tried to purge it is people saying “2+2=4 and therefore, Evangelicals are stupid, or Obama wants to ruin this country..”
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    “why the US has become ‘an exceptional’ nation while we are ‘highly religious.’ ”
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    There is no causality.
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    “If you put your faith in government, then you are denying your individuality, as in Communism.”
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    Still no causality.

  • bobcn1

    OK, that’s a fair comment. I probably should have said that most evangelical republicans are far too credulous.

  • apr2563

    This bigot is the religious leader Reps flock to and is proudly embraced by their followers here on Swampland.

    Haggee favorites:
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    “Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist.”
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    “I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans…I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God..”
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    “[Gay marriage] will open the door to incest, to polygamy, and every conceivable marriage arrangement demented minds can possibly conceive.”
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    “Homosexuality means the death of society because homosexuals can recruit, but they cannot reproduce.”
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    “Only a Spirit-filled woman can submit to her husband’s lead. It is the natural desire of a woman to lead through feminine manipulation of the man…Fallen women will try to dominate the marriage. The man has the God-given role to be the loving leader of the home.”

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    http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5517
    xxxxxxx

    “Those who came founded Israel. Those who did not went through the hell of the Holocaust. Then God sent a hunter. A hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says – Jeremiah writing – they shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and out of the holes of the rocks, meaning there’s no place to hide. And that will be offensive to some people. Well, dear heart, be offended. I didn’t write it. Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said, “my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel”. Today Israel is back in the land and they are at Ezekiel 37 and 8. They are physically alive but they’re not spiritually alive. Now how is God going to cause the Jewish people to come spiritually alive and say, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, He is God?”

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    Time to convert the Jews before the good old End of Times and they are doomed.
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    http://zeek.forward.com/articles/116367/
    xxxxx

    The Evangelical pastor, John Hagee, has spent a career preaching and writing that the Catholic Church is the “whore of Babylon” as found in the Book of Revelations. Understandably, Catholics find this rant offensive. Hagee recently clarified to Catholics that our church is the whore only some of the time. That’s not an apology.

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    http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/catholicamerica/2008/05/the_whore_of_babylon.html

  • hippooath

    Mike,
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    I don’t know if you missed it, but he stated that in a more atheist country we would live under religious law. It’s like saying that a round peg goes into a square hole. It just doesn’t make sense.

  • http://tisias.wordpress.com tisias

    Ok, I’ll admit, that video made me sh!t my pants.

    Which, I imagine, it was probably intended to do.
    I will say no matter what direction the world takes, it was always going to be a vastly different world than we imagined.

    But HOW is that any different than any previous immigration wave in the past? Besides, the global fertility rates are systematically falling around the world. It is only in places where new world mortality mixes with old world fertility when the 2.11 mark is hit and population skyrockets.

    I’ll admit, the xenophobic numbers really gave me a guilty jolt. But I think I’ll maintain my optimism and lack of desire for another crusade.

  • mike2015

    Yes, in that sense I agree with you; I also don’t know why he put those two statements together. But we should also realize that a potentially Islamic dominated world isn’t too far away (and with the rate that islamic extremism is growing today, the possibility of that happening is quite a scary one)

  • liberalmeltdown

    17.2, “If there is one thing I have tried to purge it is people saying “2+2=4″
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    Yeah that logic stuff is way over rated. Much better just to be a Libtard.
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    17.1, I was replying to the OPs claim that America is highly religious. What does that mean? Do you know? I think that everyone has a “religion.” It’s what you invest your time and heart in. Did you hear something pass over your head?

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Not a big fan of Newt’s, and not particularly religious, but this pretty much sums up the country as I see it. I never thought I’d see the day when being proud to be an American would be frowned upon and laughed at. Oh wait, that’s the swampland crowd.
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    Sacred ole buddy, I hate to say it, but agreeing with anything decontransvestiva has to say is pretty much the definition of batsh!t crazy. I think you need to walk out and gaze down into the factoryless, jobless valley and take a deep breath of fresh air to clear the cobwebs. I worry about ya dude.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    MUSLIM. ISLAMIC. IMMIGRATION. ISLAMIC. MUSLIM. IMMIGRATION. IMMIGRATION. ISLAMIC. MUSLIM. MUSLIM. MUSLIM. MUSLIM. MUSLIM. ISLAMIC. ISLAMIC. IMMIGRATION.
    ~~~
    That that about sum up the major points this video was try to get across? I think I got that right, I just wish the narrator put a little more emphasizing tone on ISLAMIC, MUSLIM IMMIGRATION. Those points could have been stressed a little more.

  • mike2015

    Hahahah well the title to the video IS “muslim demographics” after all. Go figure

  • sacredh

    2/3′s, what Newt said was batsh!t crazy. Agreeing that something crazy actually is crazy doesn’t seem to be stretch to me in any sense of the word. Newt should have known better. He is an intelligent man. Saying things like that goes against all logic. He may have been playing to a specific crowd that laps that stuff up, but he KNOWS that everyone else is going to hear about it.
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    Unless he knows that he’s not going to make it out of, or even deep into the primaries, he’s only giving the impression that he’s not a serious candidate. Every word a candidate utters is going to be looked at. Newt’s perfectly aware of that. He gives advice to other candidates. I would imagine that he either prepared that speech himself or at least read it before he gave it even if someone else wrote it. The onus is entirely on him.

  • libssd

    @liberalmeltdown: All men, including Communists, are basically religious. If the void in men’s hearts is not filled with the living God, then some kind of false religion must be substituted in His place. Who occupies the throne of your heart? Whom do you worship
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    This is total horse pucky. I am a man. I am not a communist. I am not religious. There is no void in my heart, and my heart is certainly not filled with magical thinking about a non-existent living god. I worship nobody. I am tired of the self-righteous trying to force their delusional belief systems on others. Especially in this country. I lived in Saudi Arabia for five years, and had enough of that crap there.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Yea, well, such videos nauseate me. Their none-too-subtle message is: fear immigrants, fear Islam, they are the enemy. I guess I should be slightly relieved, though, that Catholics are apparently no longer the global whipping boy for paranoid WASPs.

  • 53_3

    I think that the point is why bother to make a video of it?

  • sacredh

    Exiled, I’m not a paranoid WASP or anti-Catholic, but I’d consider whipping you if the price was right and we both kept our clothes on. The safe word would be “ouch”.

  • mike2015

    well 53,

    One point of making videos such as this that comes to mind is realizing what is happening in Europe with the rise of islam and more importantly muslim extremism which have lead to the popping up of Shariah courts and even the imposition of shariah law in some small communities. Its not necessarily a bad thing that muslims are growing at such high rates, the bad thing comes from the radicalized ideas that some muslims (mostly in europe and the middle east) hold; be it imposing shariah law or waging jihad on the so-called “non-believers”.

  • liberalmeltdown

    21.0 -21.5 You can be optimistic, but that doesn’t produce children. Europe is going to cease to exist within a few generations. It’s population has not only stopped replacing itself; it is in free fall decline.
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  • liberalmeltdown

    http://www.aaliance.eu/public/news/eurostat-new-european-population-projections-2008-2060
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    From 2015 onwards deaths would outnumber births, and hence population growth due to natural increase would cease. From this point onwards, positive net migration would be the only population growth factor.
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    Hmmm, I wonder who those migrants are in Europe? Don’t be a racist and say Muslims.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Well, sorry to be so crass, but perhaps the west should start f*cking more. Western society ridicules Catholics for our large families and our views on contraceptives, then western society laments the fact that Muslim populations are outgrowing them. Western culture will continue to die so long as the emphasis moves more and more away from family and to the individual. Individuality, at its most extreme, is the death of culture, the death of society. Your beloved Enlightenment has brought us to our knees. Bravo.

  • libssd

    Had you extended your quote just a little bit more, it would have included “Population projections are what-if scenarios that aim to provide information about the likely future size and structure of the population, and should therefore be considered with caution.
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    The problem with many projections of this sort is that they fail to include feedback loops. A Muslim Europe is about as likely as a Christian Saudi Arabia.

  • sacredh

    Aren’t Muslims less than 1% of our population now? There’s also the assimilation factor to consider. Our culture has been know to f**k up the best of them.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Well who can argue with “horse pucky”? Every society that has ever been on earth has produced religions in various forms.
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    Today we have moderns religions: The cult of personality, the obsession with celebrity, the obsession with our own celebrity (facebook, etc.) People are obsessed with hobbies, with money, whatever. That is where their heart is and it is their religion.

  • liberalmeltdown

    That is the current projection. It’s why France was paying women to have babies.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/22/france.jonhenley1
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    Could the projection change if suddenly people started having children like crazy, yes. Does it look like that is going to happen? no.
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    Here’s another study. It includes other low birth rate countries:
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    http://www.d-transition.info/western-demographic-winter-2/could-demographic-trends-cripple-europe-2050-a-325/

  • bobell

    @Square1 (14.3) —

    Here’s how it works: The secular atheists weaken the moral fiber of the country, creating a vacuum into which the Islamists rush. Sorta like Kerensky clearing the way for Lenin. (Just the sort of historical analogy Newt loves.)
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    Again, I think the idea is utterly wacko, but it’s consistent.
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    What’s really scary is that the media find Newt’s ravings worthy of dissemination.

  • 53_3

    Sorry mike2015, I disagree.
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    I just don’t happen to have any problems with paranoia…

  • 53_3

    Exiled:
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    I noted yesterday that Santorum made that exact same suggestion, only to solve a different problem.

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