Obama’s Budget Thinking, Cont’d

Yesterday I wrote about Obama’s thus-far low profile on the unfolding Capitol Hill budget showdown, and speculated that the president might be ready to come out swinging soon. But Politico offered a glimpse today at the White House’s thinking:

Democrats like [Rep. Norm] Dicks are increasingly outspoken that Obama must get more involved, and White House chief of staff Bill Daley heard this message from Dicks and other top Democrats at a House caucus Tuesday. The perception is that Obama wants to stand back, waiting for the right moment as the father figure resolving the congressional squabbles. But some Democrats privately believe he, like Boehner, is too afraid to suggest a spending compromise for fear that he won’t be able to deliver his own top line.

Daley was described as saying that Obama didn’t want to seem “too shrill,” and the political landscape is very different from 1995, when President Bill Clinton was more aggressive in standing up to Republican spending cuts.

Some Republicans have claimed all along that the political landscape is so different from 1995, when Bill Clinton deftly outmaneuvered Newt Gingrich’s House Republicans on the budget, as to give them the upper hand. Democrats have argued that the GOP has branded itself as the party of “no,” and is scaring away moderate voters. But the Obama team seems to agree that the politics are trickier for this White House than they were for Clinton’s.

One key advantage Clinton had that Obama lacks: Newt’s big mouth.

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  • paulejb

    Perhaps Barack the Uncertain will weigh in on the budget when he returns from his jaunt to South America. But than again, it might interfere with his tee time.

  • afguy

    Yesterday’s “talking points” from Priebus, paulie. They’re getting “stale”.
    .
    Check your inbox or Twitter feed for fresh ones…. I’m sure they’ve arrived by now.

  • rdw56

    Well besides Newts big mouth there’s > $4T in deficits is 3 years with no end in sight and not a hint of Obama trying to cut spending.

  • afguy

    You’ve got the “barking on command” part down, paulie.
    .
    Tell me… do they teach you other little tricks at “GOP Obedience School” like “begging”, “roll over”, “send us your donations”, “bend over and spread ‘em”…?
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    You know, the ones all compliant pets need to know…

  • freeinpa

    “Yesterday’s “talking points” from Priebus, paulie. They’re getting “stale”.”
    .
    Well here is another one for you–Obama is an empty suit! He is voting present and is in way over his head. There is a enormous difference between a Community Rabble-rouser and actually leading.

    We are looking forward to an end of an error on Jan 21, 2013

  • rdw56

    Afguy,

    Think your are wrong and only need to look at how your party went after Bush and his golf game. The constant hammering only needs to have a marginal effect. The fact he’s played more golf in 2 years than GWB in 8 years is an effective talking point. The GOP isn’t trying to win NY. We want Ohio and this doesn’t sit well there.

  • afguy

    Yes, I understand… it’s all about the politcal “gamesmanship” and picking the “right” words to use…
    .
    I saw Frank Luntz on C-SPAN a week or two ago. That’s pretty well his life’s story…. using the right words to get what you want

  • afguy

    But thanks for being so up-front and open about what all the criticism is REALLY about…

  • apr2563

    I hate to say this, but maybe President Obama is using the same tactics he used with the majority dems in the house. Let them do all the heavy lifting. Of course, this led to the right demigoguing and the dems loss of the house. Perhaps, Obama expects the same for the reps.

  • shepherdwong

    Democrats have argued that the GOP has branded itself as the party of “no,”…
    .
    How ’bout the party of liars and lunatics? Maybe someone should report on that.

    David Broder—this “Dean of the Washington press corps”—totally missed out on covering the greatest story of his time; the utter collapse of the American news media and the mutation of the GOP from a political party into a dangerously fascistic cesspit of oligarchs, lunatics and rubes.

    Oh, right. You’re part of that utterly collapsed American news media.
    .
    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/03/15/fail-safe/

  • paulejb

    afguy@1.1,
    .
    First of all, how do you know that Priebus doesn’t get his points from me. I am often ahead of the curve on liberal fatuity.

  • paulejb

    shepherdwong@4,
    .
    Are you referring to Obama’s Ministry of Propaganda when you mention the “collapsed American news media?”

  • paulejb

    afguy@1.2,
    .
    You are doing it again, afguy. Think through what you want to say before posting. That way you won’t need a follow up a post when something else occurs to you.
    .
    Your problem with me, afguy, is that “I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.” Try to keep up.

  • hippooath

    “our problem with me, afguy, is that “I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.” Try to keep up.”
    .
    HAHAHAHAHA
    .
    Now that’s funny. I hope it was meant as a joke because if that’s what you think you’re doing….
    .
    Well now I’m sad for you.

  • paulejb

    hippooath@1.9,
    .
    It’s like “rope-a-dope”, hippo. It works every time with libs.

  • paulejb

    afguy,

    More liberal fatuity…
    .
    The Berkeley Calif. city council narrowly voted down a resolution to invite two released Gitmo detainees to take up residence. The vote was 4 ayes, 1 nay, and 4 abstainers, just missing a majority vote for the invitation.
    .
    I don’t know whether to be happy or sad?

  • fhmadvocat

    In response to 1.4

    Trying to win Ohio? Please, Boehner is living proof that Ohioians love their golf. Afterall, he did not get that tan working in Daddy’s bar.

  • paulejb

    Wonder what Obama thinks about this?
    .
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/debt-jumped-72-billion-same-day-house-vo
    .
    It will take 11 more votes like today’s just to cover Obama’s one day increase in the debt.

  • fhmadvocat

    Paul,

    Can you give us a little more information regarding the Gitmo detainees? Are they hardened criminals or possibly they are Chinese Muslims who face execution if they return to China? Did you ever think about that?

    Do you know that some of the Gitmo detainees were completely innocent bystanders who were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time? A number of them, were not terrorists, but sent to Gitmo because someone had a personal vendetta against them which had nothing to do with the Taliban, Al-Quaida or the United States.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Its not about the golf game. It was the hypocracy Bush exhibited by one day saying he was giving up golf in “support of the troops” and virtually the next day telling a group of reports to “watch this drive”.
    .
    It wasn’t the golf game we were criticizing, it was the flaggrant lying. Since Obama has never vowed to give up golf, his game isn’t a problem–unless you feel the President of the United States isn’t allowed to have exercise.

  • shepherdwong

    Good. Cutting government spending in a liquidity trap and close to 20% real un/under-employment would be traitorous and stupid.

  • paulejb

    fhmadvocat@5.1,
    .
    25% of Gitmo detainees that were released are confirmed or suspected recidivists. Would you want a 1 in 4 chance of a terrorist living next door? That data comes from a Director of National Intelligence’s office in December 2010.
    .
    Berkeley CA liberals are the epitome of fatuity.

  • lcky9

    As someone who has close contacts with A LOT of LIBERALS.. I have to say this UNLESS Obama comes up with HUGE cuts in the budget he will LOSE even MORE Democratic votes for 2012.. he has lost at least 75% of all the liberals I know..they are TIRED of his spending on everyone but the ones paying the bill.. each and EVERYONE of them say the SAME thing.. the DEMOCRATS use to be for the working people.. NOT any more.. they are furious at his allowing the Public Unions to act like 6th grade BULLIES.. they are tired of the PUBLIC UNION workers getting more than they will ever get.. and since the UNIONS make up less of the populace than they want you to beleive (which is why they HIRE non union people to protest)..they are sick of getting the short end of the stick.. I have to laugh cause that is what I have been saying right along.. NOW it’s they who are making the connection.. So unless OBAMA comes out and makes REAL cuts not just he pretend ones he’s been making he better keep living large and ignoring reality cause he will be thrown out by Democrats next election.. they no longer beleive him..

  • afguy

    25% of Gitmo detainees that were released are confirmed or suspected recidivists. Would you want a 1 in 4 chance of a terrorist living next door?
    .
    Here’s another number – 100% of paulie’s statistical quotations are known or strongly suspected to be logically lacking. Would you want him crunching the numbers for you, given those odds?
    .
    Which are they, paulie? Are 100% of the detainees KNOWN to be recividists? 100% suspected? ALL would have to be confirmed before your numbers make sense.
    .
    I seem to remember that study…. How did they determine them to return to hostile activity? What kinds of activities did they count as hostile? Contributing to the wrong charity? WHAT? Cursing the US after they were released? Were they hostile to us BEFORE or AFTER they were imprisoned?
    .
    Christ, I have a grandson who could make a more coherent argument than that… and he’s about three.
    .
    How about “float like a butterfly… sting like a… well, a butterfly”.
    .
    You’re in the wrong weight class, paulie. How about changing over to the “paperweight” class? Your argument just exhibited the mental acuity of one of those.

  • afguy

    So you have contact with lots of “liberals”… interesting.
    .
    I take it they designated YOU as their spokesman about what they do and do not like?
    .
    Strange… because I always thought it was the “liberals” who liked to tell everyone else how to think.
    .
    Interesting… YOUR liberals have erected a nice anti-liberal “straw man” for you to agree with.
    .
    Who didn’t see that one coming?

  • afguy

    First of all, how do you know that Priebus doesn’t get his points from me.
    .
    Simple “cause and effect”, paulie. Reince is higher than you are on the GOP messaging “food chain”. He and others were chattering about this ahead of your little “revelations” to us here. The phrasing is even the same.
    .
    You’re just one of the “errand boys”, paulie… not original enough to come up with that stuff on your own.

  • paulejb

    afguy@1.13,
    .
    How do you know that? You have no idea who I may be.
    .
    And it is apparent that all my unoriginal stuff does get you and all your friends’ panties all in a bunch.
    .
    How do I know that? The gratuitous insults and ad hominems bear that out.

  • shepherdwong

    So you have contact with lots of “liberals”…
    .
    Damn, he’s right. It’s even less believable without the yelling.

  • paulejb
  • paulejb
  • paulejb

    Icky9,
    .
    Obama will make real cuts the day after pigs fly. He is as likely to make spending cuts as Charlie Sheen is to say something lucid.

  • afguy

    Well, you got me, paulie.
    .
    The sheer volume of information displayed on that “Page not found” error was shattering.
    .
    Got anything other than Politico (or Rasmussen) to prove your point?
    .
    The URL says “up_to_25″ (I’m assuming percentage)…. that’s anywhere from 0-25. You (and probably they) still didn’t answer the question – how did they determine the rate or what constitutes “in the fight”?

  • along1

    Yes, Obama is in a trickier spot, but it’s not because he doesn’t want to seem “shrill.” It’s because his party still controls one house of Congress AND that body is filled with 8-12 spineless “Democrats.”

    Neither he nor they want to do anything that will allow the GOP and the punditocracy to blame a government shutdown mostly on them.

    For Obama, the compromiser, that means he can’t issue a strong veto threat, at least not until it’s absolutely necessary. Because 1) the GOP would likely succeed in tarring him as the bad guy, and 2) 8-12 “Democratic” senators would likely ignore the veto threat, and pass a terribly destructive budget anyway.

    Obama would still veto it, they wouldn’t have the votes to override, but the serious damage would have been done.

    I think he sees only two viable paths:
    1. deep-cutting compromise, probably close to 60 billion
    2. GOP stumbles, overplays, demands way too much, giving him a opening to issue a final offer/veto threat that his Senate caucus can support through gritted teeth.

    That requires waiting until it’s clear to most everyone that there will be nor further CRs. We may be there now.

    In the second instance, there would probably still be a govt shutdown, but most of the blame would fall on the Republicans.

  • afguy

    OK, better, (National Review :-( ) but NONE of the questions I asked were answered in the article or the links.
    .
    Just the number – 150. No description of what THEY are describing as a “terrorist activity”.
    .
    And I do remember this – they were raked over the coals for exactly the same lack of clarifying information in the report when it came out.
    .
    It was generated to justify the non-release of Gitmo prisoners.

  • afguy

    paulie,
    .
    The ONLY person I know these days who has been directly compared to a “Minister of Propaganda” is Frank Luntz.
    .
    And he’s definitely one of YOURS…

  • hippooath

    “How do you know that? You have no idea who I may be.”
    .
    Maybe because we usually hear this garbage before you post it here bragging about how clever you are.
    .
    “And it is apparent that all my unoriginal stuff does get you and all your friends’ panties all in a bunch.”
    .
    Yes – wishful thinking is in full force. It bugs me or anyone else as much as having to listen to teenagers telling parents how much they know with their ‘life’ experience. It’s more tedious and hilarious than it gets my panties all in a bunch.
    .
    “How do I know that? The gratuitous insults and ad hominems bear that out.”"
    .
    Yes, when fail cry about the mean liberals after you mock them. That works so well. Of course hold hands with your other brethren that shoves one insult after another on anyone here but their arguments are not failed because of it; it’s not you job to police them.
    .
    You’re as original as a new pancake restaurant bragging about their ‘original’ recipe.

  • hippooath

    “25% of Gitmo detainees that were released are confirmed or suspected recidivists. Would you want a 1 in 4 chance of a terrorist living next door? That data comes from a Director of National Intelligence’s office in December 2010.”
    .
    Lets say that the number is true.
    .
    Are you telling me that we should fear those 2 guys because 25% of the people we released are hostile to us when apparently a majority – 75% is not?
    .
    In what world do we suspect 2 people without evidence that they’re amongst the 25% you fear when they’re more likely statistically to be amongst the 75%?
    .
    I just wonder. How about we base things on what we can prove and not some absurd statistical number that happens to be a minority of the cases and indict people who might be innocent purely because you and the city council is afraid.

  • newfreedomblog

    Well, you got me, paulie

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    You make it sound like this is the very first time, afguy.
    .
    The problem is, it is never ending with you. You make these statement, nothing but TROLL drive-bys stating…
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    Christ, I have a grandson who could make a more coherent argument than that… and he’s about three.
    .
    How about “float like a butterfly… sting like a… well, a butterfly”.
    .
    You’re in the wrong weight class, paulie. How about changing over to the “paperweight” class? Your argument just exhibited the mental acuity of one of those.”

    .
    The person in the “wrong class” would be you Einstein. Day after day, week after week we have shown to you rubes that not only is your ideology flawed, but your resulting arguments to defend your positions are equally flawed if not down right LIES.
    .
    You are way WAY out of you league here. But, keep up the great work. It just shows more and more people how stupid you are, and the entire Democrat Party for that matter.
    .
    Thanks paulejb for showing these rubes exactly what they are.

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