A Food Fight In the Budget Debate

One of the most overlooked rifts in Washington’s budget debate is the escalating food fight. In the last two years, the U.S. has endured everything from salmonella-contaminated tomatoes to Chinese milk laced with melamine, a potentially lethal ingredient used to make plastic. House Republicans, in their sweep to enact billions in cuts to federal spending, are now looking to trim the fat at food safety agencies like the Food and Drug Administration, and the Department of Agriculture.

Republicans have proposed reducing the FDA and USDA’s combined budgets by $4.8 billion, 22% below what the President’s 2011 budget requested. The Democratic-led Senate, meanwhile, has moved to cut those agencies’ budgets by $1.1 billion, or 5% below the requested amount. Food safety advocates warn that if the FDA’s funding were dialed back to 2008 levels, the consequences could be severe: Hundreds of FDA inspectors would be laid-off, they say, preventing the surveillance of some 7,000 food facilities. The USDA’s meat inspectors could be furloughed, prompting hundreds of plants across the country to close because federal agents must be present during operating hours. That in turn could shrink the country’s meat supply and send prices soaring.

The debate comes barely two months after President Obama signed the Food Safety Modernization Act into law. If fully enacted, that initiative would trigger the most sweeping overhaul of the nation’s food safety system in nearly three-quarters of a century. The law basically directs the FDA, which regulates about 80% of what we eat, to preempt, rather than react to, food-borne illness outbreaks. That’s no small matter: Nearly one in six Americans – 48 million people – contract illnesses like salmonella each year. Experts say such illnesses cost consumers and businesses $152 billion annually. Fortifying the FDA’s safety efforts with $1.4 billion in the coming years is a “bargain,” said Sen. Tom Harkin, the Iowa Democrat and one of Congress’s chief food safety advocates.

Rep. Jack Kingston, a Republican congressman from Georgia, one of the nation’s top chicken producers, sees things differently. The FDA doesn’t need $1.4 billion to implement the new food safety law, he argues, because food-borne illnesses are relatively rare. The system works. Case closed. “Money is scarce, and we’ll be looking at everything closer,” he says.

The issue of how to fund food safety will take center stage on Friday, when the FDA’s commissioner, Margaret Hamburg, is scheduled to testify before a House subcommittee. Food safety advocates are preparing for battle, especially on the current fiscal year’s budget, because that will set the tone for how the new safety law will be handled. Caroline Smith DeWaal, food safety director of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a Washington advocacy group, is issuing a simple warning. After the next outbreak of contaminated tomatoes or peppers sickens hundreds of Americans, she says, “The Republicans will be left holding the bag.”

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  • shepherdwong

    “The U.S. government is not broke,” said Marc Chandler, global head of currency strategy for Brown Brothers Harriman & Co. in New York. “There’s no evidence that the market is treating the U.S. government like it’s broke.”
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    The U.S. today is able to borrow at historically low interest rates, paying 0.68 percent on a two-year note that it had to offer at 5.1 percent before the financial crisis began in 2007. Financial products that pay off if Uncle Sam defaults aren’t attracting unusual investor demand. And tax revenue as a percentage of the economy is at a 60-year low, meaning if the government needs to raise cash and can summon the political will, it could do so.
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    To be sure, the U.S. confronts long-term fiscal dangers. Over the past two years, federal debt measured against total economic output has increased by more than 50 percent and the White House projects annual budget deficits continuing indefinitely.
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    “If an American family is spending more money than they’re making year after year after year, they’re broke,” said Michael Steel, a spokesman for Boehner.
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    A person, company or nation would be defined as “broke” if it couldn’t pay its bills, and that is not the case with the U.S. Despite an annual budget deficit expected to reach $1.6 trillion this year, the government continues to meet its financial obligations, and investors say there is little concern that will change.

    H/T: Digby
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    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-07/bonds-show-why-boehner-saying-we-re-broke-is-figure-of-speech.html

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    If you’re interested in this issue, beyond “food fights,” read Marion Nestle:
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    http://www.foodpolitics.com/

  • afguy

    I keep up with my nieces and nephews on Facebook and have noted a series of food poisoning/stomach ailments sidelining a number of them and their entire families, both in Florida and California.
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    THAT is what I see as the effect of cutbacks in FDA inspection and enforcement.
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    Not necessarily people dying from widespread epidemics, but a lot more of those types of reports.
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    At least at first.

  • nflfoghorn

    :…After the next outbreak of contaminated tomatoes or peppers sickens hundreds of Americans…’The Republicans will be left holding the bag.’”
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    ABC News ran a recent story about several government agencies being responsible for the same task, the implication being that redundancy is not helpful.
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    I think that’s different. Overlapping responsibilities, designed or bureaucratic, help when one agency doesn’t catch something that should’ve been caught.
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    Whether an outbreak is caught by happenstance or by one group actually doing what it’s supposed to do, I’d rather be safe than sorry. Not saying we can’t cut in places, but to cut carte blanche could leave us with a GOP-created alternative Alan Grayson warned us about.

  • nflfoghorn

    3rd paragraph s/r: “I believe differently.”

  • newfreedomblog

    But, where is Barry at? President formerly known as Barry Soetoro?
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    http://www.rollcall.com/issues/56_92/-203929-1.html
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    “While there may be 609 days to go until the presidential election, Obama has already begun reverting to campaign mode — and some Democrats are starting to worry that their most important ally won’t be there when they need him the most on Capitol Hill.
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    The president has made noticeable overtures in the past week to remind people that he is as much the commander in chief as he is a candidate up for re-election: Tonight, Obama is heading a Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee dinner with House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) in Boston; on Friday, he headlined separate fundraisers in Miami for Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. During those events, he ticked off his accomplishments from the past two years and said his supporters were the reason he has seen success.”

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    If the “successes” of the past two years is what he will run on, we’re all screwed.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    The FDA doesn’t need $1.4 billion to implement the new food safety law, he argues, because food-borne illnesses are relatively rare. The system works. Case closed.
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    We don’t need to update the laws or pay for inspectors. If a company produces tainted food, then consumers will no longer give that company their business. Let the market work! So what if people die because of that company’s product; caveat emptor! Consumers should know more about what they are buying and not stick job producers with costs for labeling ingredients or facility sanitation or sue them for making an unsafe product. Regulations and inspectors cost money, and – in case you didn’t notice – we’re broke right now!

  • hippooath

    “President formerly known as Barry Soetoro”
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    Birthers are cute. Completely nut, cute and hilarious at the same time. The sh!t they say can fill a whole Gadaffi or Charlie Sheen rant.

  • nflfoghorn

    Amazing how you slip into non-sequitur mode when there’s a subject presented to which you can no longer contribute.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Actually, it isn’t so much of whether the US can pay its bills that says we are not broke. The fact that other countries are lending to the US at such historically rates is the measure that puts the lie in the words “we are broke”. If this country were broke then not only would the lending to the US stop, every country in the world would be calling in the debts. But to others this country is a good investment.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Its very simple really. If newf sees anything that doesn’t jive with his world view or which he can’t comment on directly then he’s been trained to post something unrelated in an effort to switch the topic to something else.
    ·
    Having already admitted to attending astro-turfed tea party events, its no surprise that newf is just a talking point volunteer; selling his fingers as a prostitute sells her body.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Oh, Rusty’s waaaay beyond ‘birther’. He’s suggested President Obama is everything from the anti-Christ to future New World Order Caliph. This morning he was suggesting Satanism. All under some socialist, liberal form of Sharia Law, apparently.
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    ‘Birther’ is just one of his 31 flavors of crazy.

  • allthingsinaname

    Oh hell it doesn’t matter anyway. The GOP will get what it wants, two weeks at a time, and the Dems will claim that the GOP made them do it.
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    It is all a charade for your comsupmtion.

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh how sweet. My 3 favorite libtards. I can just imagine you all singing in unison as you comment back to my comments.
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    Tra-la-la!!

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Tra-la-la!!”
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    Yesterday, Rusty suggested I had some sort of ‘psychotic projection’ powers. It seems my powers are working on Rusty.
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    “My 3 favorite libtards”
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    You left out ‘little’. Still, I love an unabashed drunk who doesn’t care that everyone knows about it. In vino veritas, right Rusty?

  • nflfoghorn

    Heck yeah it’s a kabuki dance, but at whose expense?

  • acameronw

    Why oh why doesn’t the National Democratic Party start running ads – if not nationally then in targeted districts – about the Tea Party Republicans trying to cut funding for food inspections? The GOP keeps lofting softballs and the Dems don’t even take a swing.

    This should give pause to even the most fervent deficit cutters in the electorate. If making sure the food we eat is safe doesn’t qualify as “promote the general welfare”, then I don’t know what does.

    (Oh, and Marquis de Newfreedomblog, try and stay on topic today, okay?)

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh poor mori-the-moron, no means no. As in, no you can’t be my boyfriend. Not gonna happen no matter how hard you try.
    . :)
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    Enjoy!!

  • hippooath

    Because democrats are spineless?

  • hippooath

    “Oh poor mori-the-moron, no means no. As in, no you can’t be my boyfriend. Not gonna happen no matter how hard you try.
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    Enjoy!!”
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    You are sure missfiring on all cylinders today – birther, anti crist, end times, homophobia. All you need to do now is to add a link to something about black people. Like the new black panthers, all two of them.

  • shepherdwong

    Because democrats are spineless?
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    It sure looks that way. OTOH, if you’re going to successfully deploy the populist argument, you’re going to have to go all the way. It’s going to take a whole lotta spine and quite a bit of faith in the public as well, for a politician to go after the motives and actions of our oligarchs head on. At this point, I’m not sure the American people have demonstrated the political wisdom of that faith. And don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see the Democrats take that leap of faith.

  • freeinpa

    U.S. Net worth minus $44 trillion

    CF minus $1.3 trillion

    Maybe not broke but certainly on life support

  • freeinpa

    “I think that’s different. Overlapping responsibilities, designed or bureaucratic, help when one agency doesn’t catch something that should’ve been caught”
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    That’s called incompetence and an inefficient use of tax payer funds. And what it highlights mostly is that the government despite any amount of regulation or spending can’t prevent bad things from happening.

  • freeinpa

    “THAT is what I see as the effect of cutbacks in FDA inspection and enforcement”
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    It is the incompetence of the federal government and the foolish belief that regulation will save you.
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    Madoff was audited 8 times by the SEC and look what that got investors.,

    Incompetence is always the end result of no accountability

  • kbanginmotown

    acam: Obviously, the Dems are waiting for Jon Stewart to hit it out of the park, as he did by shaming the GOP into passing a bill in support of extended medical treatment for the 9/11 First Responders.
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    Perhaps, once the spline implant is successful, the Dems will do this sort of thing themselves…

  • shepherdwong

    Maybe not broke but certainly on life support.
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    Not surprising when you consider:
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    1) Worst recession since The Great Depression.
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    2) Two unfunded land wars in Asia.
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    3) Twice the per-capita cost of health care of anyone else.
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    4) Lowest tax rates in 60 years.
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    Maybe we should ask the folks who’ve been taking all the money in spite of the need to help out a little.
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    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3220&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+cbpp%2FfYJq+%28Center+on+Budget+and+Policy+Priorities%29

  • freeinpa

    I see Adam glossed over the numbers of the FDA and tries to obfuscate the issue by floating a larger number by combining the USDA cut with it.

    In FY 2007-2008 the FDA had a budget of $2.1 billion adding the proposed cut of $1.4 billion for FY2010-2011 brings you to a budget total of $3.5 billion.
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    This produces a budget growth over 3 years of 66% or 18.6% per year! And this is assuming there was not any other increases which is doubtful.

    What we probably have is your typical government agency money grab where it is unlikely that the work or output is anywhere close to being 66% higher than in 2008.

    Companies do it , families do it, only the government refuses to live within their means since it is always been more expedient to fleece taxpayers.
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    Of course you will get the typical fear mongering of how Republicans are trying to kill women and children. But ask the question when “spinach”outbreak hit 22 states how many FDA people were fired? ZERO.

    In the time from 1999 to 2010 deaths by food-borne illnesses went from 5000 to 3000 or a drop of 3% per year. While spending increased 20 times that rate.

    Another case where money won’t solve the problem no matter how much the left wishes it did.

  • hippooath

    “In the time from 1999 to 2010 deaths by food-borne illnesses went from 5000 to 3000 or a drop of 3% per year. While spending increased 20 times that rate.

    Another case where money won’t solve the problem no matter how much the left wishes it did.”
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    Spending increaded and deaths went down.
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    Am I missing something here?

  • freeinpa

    “1) Worst recession since The Great Depression.”
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    And just like FDR the recession is longer and deeper due to the spending that Obama has done.
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    “2) Two unfunded land wars in Asia.”
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    And despite this frequent refrain from th eleft nothing has changed.
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    “3) Twice the per-capita cost of health care of anyone else”
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    Much of it caused by government mandates forces onto states, fraud and more government intervention that forces costs up and services down. Although per capita costs for education are similar and results worse but you cheer more spending there.

    “4) Lowest tax rates in 60 years.”
    Praise Jesus! No matter how may times you whine its still not the taxes but the spending. BTW have you noticed that since the tax extension was signed unemployment was down as the private sector has started to hire. You known jobs that you can count not those “saved”.
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    “Maybe we should ask the folks who’ve been taking all the money in spite of the need to help out a little.”
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    You mean the top 10% that has been paying 70% of the income taxes paid while over 50% pay no taxes? Those people? They are saying keep your re-distributionist hands out of our pockets!

    .

  • libssd

    We don’t need to update the laws or pay for inspectors. If a company produces tainted food, then consumers will no longer give that company their business. Let the market work! So what if people die because of that company’s product; caveat emptor! Consumers should know more about what they are buying and not stick job producers with costs for labeling ingredients or facility sanitation or sue them for making an unsafe product. Regulations and inspectors cost money, and – in case you didn’t notice – we’re broke right now!
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    @grape_crush Until that last sentence, I thought you were being sarcastic; now I’m not so sure.
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    Remedial reading assignment for those who think the free market is sufficient mechanism for food safety: The Jungle, by Upton Sinclair.

  • freeinpa

    Always!
    .There is no correlation between increased spending and reduction death if there is its negative. Better processing methods and disease resistant foods accounted for most of the reduction.

    Let’s see at $1.4 b for 2000 deaths is $700,000. So to wipe it out would cost $2.1 b. Only if it were true. That is just the liberal delusions.

  • ohiolibb

    You have to remember, hippo: people die, whether the gov’t spends or not, so we just shouldn’t be spending at all.*

    *The apparant views of freewelcher.

  • shepherdwong

    They are saying keep your re-distributionist hands out of our pockets!
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    Of course the are. The interesting thing is you and your fellow authoritarian-followers parroting whatever they want you to say, right along with them.

  • Ivy_B

    I actually had food poisoning a couple of months ago. It was horrible. I had no idea in the beginning what it was or what was happening. I was dizzy and could hardly stand. I actually called my daughter who lives about a half hour away to discuss calling 911.

    I called the doctor’s office and they could see me in a couple of hours if I drove to the week-end office (of course it was a Saturday) about a half hour away. I said I couldn’t possilbly get there and actually didn’t feel comfortable driving. After I while I began to throw up and the other obvious problems. Fortunately after three terrible hours it was over.

    What I had to eat the night before was very specific, frozen from a well known store and a newly opened bottled sauce, also national brand and some salad from a bag I had already eaten half of with no ill effect. We have no idea what might have caused it, but I threw everything out.

    The experience is very vivid, months later. I support all food inspections. If you get actual food poisoning (as compared to a small stomach upset), you will to.

    Agree with Jay Ackroyd above, read Marion Nestle.

  • freeinpa

    Yes people do die. And its idiocy to think that you can stop anyone from dying, stop all disease cure every illness prevent joblessness and stop static cling from your clothes by spending an inordinate amount of many without any regard as to whether it is warranted or necessary.
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    Show me one shred of proof that spending anymore money would have prevented any of those deaths. You can’t. There was an 19% increase in spending and a 3% decline in deaths over the same period.

  • freeinpa

    “The experience is very vivid, months later. I support all food inspections. If you get actual food poisoning (as compared to a small stomach upset), you will to.”
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    Yes maybe you can call the First Nanny (Obama) and he will send someone over to hold your hand next time. Yes you hav eno idea what caused it. It could very well have been how your prepared it or what you cooked it and no amount of money spend by the FDA would have changed it.,

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    Good lord, it a good thing we didn’t have to depend on today’s liberals to have settled this country. We would have become extinct!

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    PS I have had food poisoning multiple times. 6-8 hours after eating you become hot sweaty light headed then reverse peristaltic action takes over.

  • fhmadvocat

    in response to 2.2

    The problem with FDA is there are not enough inspectors, not necessarily incompetence. It is not incompetence if the U.S. does not have an inspector to check a potential hazard.

    As far as Madoff, the problem is you have the foxes in charge of the henhouse. When you have an SEC who is simpathetic to “creative” investors, and who look the other way on purpose, the public gets screwed.

  • freeinpa

    “The interesting thing is you and your fellow authoritarian-followers parroting whatever they want you to say, right along with them.”
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    And who is telling you what to say? Oh please tell that all the incredibly stupid stuff you say is yours.
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    I don;t need anyone to tell me what or how to think. That is the answer leftist’s give when there arguments sound stupid even to them..

    No matter how you twist or turn the conversation you can’t (and be considered sane) so tat 10% paying 70% isn’t enough.

    Fairness? Hardly Just say “We want your money” that’s the bottom line. Just say give us the money no questions asked, no accountability, no responsibility–welcome to today’s liberalism!!!

  • freeinpa

    “It is not incompetence if the U.S. does not have an inspector to check a potential hazard.”
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    This is pathetic and weak. Its the same answer regardless of the problem. Never enough of anything. Not enough to check a potential hazard? What is a potential hazard? Do we need an inspector for every plant?
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    “When you have an SEC who is simpathetic to “creative” investors, and who look the other way on purpose, the public gets screwed.”
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    This is sad as your first answer. What makes one government agency more willing to enforce the laws? The people in it! And if they don’t do their jobs they should be fired. How many were fired in the SEC? ZERO.

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    Time after time the left response is more rules more money and the result is the same, government incompetence.. And you people think Palin is stupid.

  • shepherdwong

    I don;t need anyone to tell me what or how to think.
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    Are you absolutely sure about that (and how about how to write)? Because every day, every single goddamned day, you repeat exactly whatever absurd right-wing lie that is currently being disseminated by your authoritarian leaders, especially Rush Limbaugh. There is simply no equivalent phenomenon on the left, however much you want to believe it. I may pull-quote a Digby or a Greenwald but: 1) I don’t parrot their statements as if they are my own (because no one would believe I was that insightful and articulate) and 2) what they say is, almost always, the truth of it.

  • rwbbinla

    @1.4 “BTW have you noticed that since the tax cut extention was signed that unemployment was down as the private sector started to hire.” Too bad the tax cut did not work during LiL Bush’s term, we would have a hard time finding people to work the jobs today. That is the biggest lie I have seen today by a sycophant.

  • rwbbinla

    @.2.4. Why don’t you tell us how many inspectors it takes to ensure food safety. You seem to have all the “right” answers.

  • rwbbinla

    @.5.1 Grape=sarcastic in this instance.

  • ohiolibb

    There was an 19% increase in spending and a 3% decline in deaths over the same period
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    Well, that alone should be evidence that the increased spending measures prevented at least some illnesses or deaths. But let me ask you: What’s a life worth? At what point does it just become too wasteful to protect people’s lives?

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    I’m just trying to build on my ability to speak wingnut. Hang out for a while and you’ll get an idea of where eveyone is coming from…
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    Having said that, I’m almost never sarcastic. I also look like a Greek god and am remarkably well endowed.

  • http://tisias.wordpress.com tisias

    @freeinpa
    “BTW have you noticed that since the tax extension was signed unemployment was down as the private sector has started to hire.”

    Oh, please. Save me a bone of political agenda.

    Prove the casuality behind it.

    That is like saying the massive jump in oil prices is solely a result of Libyan civil war, when is less than 2% of the production.

  • 53_3

    We all know you are Superman in disguise, but do you think you can handle it when you’re 57?
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    Of course! You’d just dig in the ol’ cash drawer and let the doctor be Superman for you!
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    I guess this proves then that the “American” “gene pool” would be much “purer” without them libruls, huh?
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    Clue:
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    I see “social Darwinism” written all over this one…

  • 53_3

    I note that freeinpa is enamored with our pure blooded forefathers, those pioneers who faced arrows and famines to conquer the plains in good ol’ fashioned manly Manifest Destiny style (11.1).
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    Since where he lives is rural, I propose, given his hatred for FDR and income redistribution we, in Urban America, send him straight back to 1886:
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    Step one:
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    Stop ALL rural infrastructure subsidies.
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    Step two:
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    Stop ALL agricultural subsidies.
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    Step three:
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    Stop ALL health care subsidies.
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    Step four:
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    Stop ALL education subsidies.
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    Hell’s bells freeinpa, you won’t have “ObamaCare” to worry about. We save 40% of our tax dollars, invest in our kids and our health while you..farm…dirt…
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    How ’bout it, freeinpa? Hell, look on the bright side:
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    At least while you starve and find you have no more gas for that useless three ton truck to drive on the crumbled road that leads to the building that used to be your hospital, us Urbanites get richer, and our children smarter, and we march into the 21st century with our heads held high!

  • 53_3

    Ain’t India just grand, feeinpa?

  • 53_3

    Sorry, annelids are not vertabrates. The only way to get a spine is for them to evolve one.
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    The spinal implant would be rejected in a trice…

  • 53_3

    Sorry, he usually saves that for me.
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    But a deeper mystery is the fact that he turned you down!
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    Does this mean he’s taken himself of the “available” list? So who’s making those booty calls now?
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    Inquiring minds want to know…

  • 53_3

    “Oh how sweet. My 3 favorite libtards.”
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    SNIFF!
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    Waaaah! He left me out! Waaaaaah!
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    I’m rilly, rilly hoit…

  • freeinpa

    “I don’t parrot their statements ”
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    You parrot the same tired idiotic statements that the dimwitted left hastried selling to this country since the 60s.
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    “what they say is, almost always, the truth of it.”
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    By them and you repeating it doesn’t make it the truth. You may want to beleive it but it doesn’t make it so! Reality ios a concept that the left never could grasp.
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    “Too bad the tax cut did not work during LiL Bush’s term, ”
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    While job growth may have been low it was up given first the Clinton recession then 9/11, job growth was unspectacualr but maybe Bush should have hired Biden to count jobs saved.
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    “Oh, please. Save me a bone of political agenda”
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    The bone resides in your thick skull. Teaching liberals how business and the ecoenomy works is like teaching a dog to fish. Th eprivate sector refused to hire or invest as the Obambi adminstration bashed business, threatened regualtion and higher taxes. With the specter of higher taxes gone, courts ruling against ObamaCare and Republicans hilding the line on creeping regualtion and spending business has begun to hire.
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    As far as oil prices, it is specualtion form Middle East unrest with Libya and Egypt being th e tip of the iceberg.

    But then you hav eto read more than left wing blogs and you certainly won’t hear it from th eFirst Tourist unless you caddy on weekends.
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  • freeinpa

    Its a good question. But instread of “spend mpore money” maybe one should ask how manyt many be needed and will they solve the problem?
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    But you can’t buy votes when you don’t spend money can you? And you always have the answer’s with somebody else’s money regardless of the question.

  • freeinpa

    “Well, that alone should be evidence that the increased spending measures prevented at least some illnesses or deaths”
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    There is not one ounce of proof except it is a coincident occurrence. FOr all anybody knows the reduction in death could have been the result of $100,000 and not $1 billion. So in typical liberal fashion keep throwing money not matter the cost or result after all we keep taxing people.
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    “What’s a life worth? At what point does it just become too wasteful to protect people’s lives?
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    That’s an idiot’s argument designed solely to show how much you care . Its crap. How much do we spend on abortion? What are those lives worth? Oh right , that’s a choice not a life.
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    “Hell’s bells freeinpa, you won’t have “ObamaCare” to worry about. We save 40% of our tax dollars, invest in our kids and our health while you..farm…dirt…

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    Boy its a good thing we have a gioverbnemnt because wowo we wouldn’t have anything. I bet my great grandfayther and grandfather would be a bit surprised by that epiphnay that we managed all o fthose years without government providing everything for us and wiping their noses and backsides because these poor dumb immigrants just couldn’t survive. Howpathetic the left has become!

  • freeinpa

    “We all know you are Superman in disguise, but do you think you can handle it when you’re 57
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    I guess we will find out. At least we know why health costs are through the roof. Everytime IQ5 gets a papaer cut he calls 911 and is deleivered to the Mayo Clinic.

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    Social Darwinsm. No its time you grow up accept responsibiity and stop expecting everything to be done for you and paid for by everybody else, Remember Land of equal opportunity not equal outcome you whining sniveling little $hit!

  • perrywhite1

    In response to 4.2:
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    NFL, I assume the resident trolls employ nonsensical non-sequiters when they don’t have a specific Limbaugh-approved talking point to deploy because:
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    1) They can’t think for themselves, and
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    2) They need to post X number of replies daily to get paid.

  • ohiolibb

    “What’s a life worth? At what point does it just become too wasteful to protect people’s lives?
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    That’s an idiot’s argument designed solely to show how much you care . Its crap. How much do we spend on abortion? What are those lives worth? Oh right , that’s a choice not a life.
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    And another conservative stops being pro-life and starts being anti-govmint.

  • ohiolibb

    I’d say you hit a nerve 53.

  • ohiolibb

    And, to answer your question, the government spends 0 on abortion. Nada. Zilch. Zip.

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  • ohiolibb

    Actually, I take that back. The Hyde amendment allows abortion funds in cases of rape or incest. So there is probably a small amount of federal money that is used for abortions.

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