Morning Must Reads: February 19

In the News: Dozens killed in Kiev clashes, another Christie Aid ignores subpoena, 150 earthquakes rock Oklahoma, and CBO report shows minimum wage puts dent in poverty and jobs

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

  • Clashes in Kiev kill dozens [NYT]
  • ABC News reports that police are among the 26 killed in Kiev
  • Chris Christie’s former aid refuses to comply with subpoena [USA Today]
  • Homeland Security is seeking a national license plate tracking system [Washington Post]
  • “A group of Senate Republicans is meeting quietly to plot an unusual strategy: passing a top Democratic priority. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has vowed to press the GOP on unemployment benefits — forcing them to keep taking votes on a bill to extend aid to the long-term unemployed. But Republicans have rejected it twice since the program expired on Dec. 28.” [Politico]
  • How John Boehner spared Democrats their own civil war [National Journal]
  • Gruesome sketches of torture inside North Korea Gulag [TIME]
  • “Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who has been eyeing a 2016 presidential run since his battles with labor unions made him a Republican star, is in the midst of dealing with the fallout of two criminal investigations at home that could complicate his move to the national stage.” [Washington Post]
  • CBO Report: Minimum wage increase would reduce poverty, but cost jobs [NYT]
  • White House spins minimum wage report [Fox News]
  • “Last week’s report about the declining abortion rate in the United States was potentially good news for everyone, especially, one would think, for right-to-life groups. Most of them, though, weren’t cheering. A statement from Americans United for Life called the report ‘an abortion industry propaganda piece short on data and long on strained conclusions.’” [New Yorker]
  • Who are the real “thugs”? [Politico]
  • 150 earthquakes rock Oklahoma: Is Fracking to Blame? [TIME]
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forgottenlord
forgottenlord

Women's Hockey: Sweden up on the Swiss 1-0 middle of the second

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

While everyone focuses on Team USA's Goal numbers compared to Team Canada, missed in this is that Canada's GAA is by far the best never having given up more than one goal while our shot totals have exceeded Team USA's.  Finland's proven they can run up the score and they had an All-Star goaltender and a D that I think is better than the US's and they got outworked and beat by Canada.  This is going to be a very interesting game but you cannot, cannot, cannot say that the US is the favorite based upon goal totals alone.

jmac
jmac

Gregg Abbott defends standing by Ted Nugent because Wendy Davis stands with Obama.  


Fair and Balanced.  

barneydidit
barneydidit

Feb. 2014-  CBO says raising the minimum wage would lead to job loss- Democrats say "We're not convinced CBO used the latest information available"....GOP says " You bunch of liberal whiners! If the CBO says something's true....it's dang well true".


May 2013-  CBO says repealing the Affordable Care Act will result in a net increase to the Federal Deficit of $109 Billion- GOP says "The CBO isn't always right".  

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

@MementoMori   If Chuck Norris knocked you out, if was you running into his fist.*

*using Collie logic here ; )

sacredh
sacredh

Uh oh. Comments got poffed.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

CNN NewsCrack: The U.S. government has warned airlines to pay particular attention to the possibility of terrorists attempting to hide explosives in shoes.

The officials stressed there is no specific threat or known plot.

Intelligence collected by the United States and other countries has indicated terror groups have been working on new shoe-bomb designs, the sources said.

Teh Flintstones never had this problem.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

Collie said he's posted this reference several times.  The fact that it's from 2011 isn't important.  Trust Colliie to give us third-graders teh trooth!

MrObvious
MrObvious

Chuck Norris got nothing on super independent colli

MrObvious
MrObvious

Makes sense armed people at airports and bars. Wingers are brilliant.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@mantisdragon91  

My wife was terrified of possibly having to do a business trip to NYC 'cause y'all are so crazy.  And that was a Blue State!  I'm guessing she'd quit before she stepped foot in a Red State.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@mantisdragon91  And Stand Your Ground immunity, which allows individuals to use deadly force in self-defense without a duty to retreat, would be extended to offenses committed on public transportation.

Because a gunfight on a city bus … what could possibly go wrong?

Sue_N
Sue_N

@mantisdragon91  So what happens is, once you have insurance or if you're on state funds for your health care, you essentially get those services for free and as a result you tend to take too many of those services.

And this is precisely why Republicans won't do real health care reform – too many poor people might actually use it.

sacredh
sacredh

From the article:

"Finney went on to write that her bill "is intended to (i) provide guidance to state officials in the administrative and judicial branches; (ii) serve as a guideline to parents; and (iii) protect Kansas children from abuse."

The way to protect the child from abuse is to beat them? What a novel idea. Maybe the way to treat an alcoholic is to lock them in a bar.

sacredh
sacredh

I don't have young children, but if I did and a teacher beat them and left bruises, I would beat the sh!t out of them. Male or female.

sacredh
sacredh

I think she deserves a good spanking for even introducing the bill.

MrObvious
MrObvious

Why not eye lazors? Why would god need guns?

Sue_N
Sue_N

@mantisdragon91  Strange, none of my versions of Revelations mention an AR-15. I must not have the wingnut translations.

collioure
collioure

@nflfoghorn  

A 2011 article about a 2009 "stimulus bill" on the eve of potentially a second one is quite timely.

Your probllem is that the NBC article exposed how fraudulent it was.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

...but thanks for this tidbit just the same!

[Gov. Meanie] touted his plan to raise the retirement age for public-sector workers, increase the amount employees must contribute to their pensions, and roll back a nine percent increase “that was given to them by a Republican governor and a Republican legislature and they had no way to pay for it.”

After he unveiled his plan, Christie recalled, a crowd of firefighters booed him.

He told them, “I understand you feel deceived and betrayed ... For 20 years, governors have come into this room and lied to you. Promised you benefits that they had no way of paying for, making promises they knew they couldn’t keep ...”

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@MrObvious  

TBH: Airports is the least offensive item on that list.  No idiot is going to rush security to hijack a plane and TSA controls everything behind security so all that's left is general stupidity which is true of, well, everywhere else that has ever been on those lists.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

@hivemaster @nflfoghorn I'm sure the feds have tried to re-create the same thing.  But hiding explosives in shoes seems far-fetched when you know the TSA will then start x-raying shoes (if they aren't already).

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

@collioure @nflfoghorn  I don't have a problem.  You OTOH want to make a three-year-old article that doesn't say what you think it says relevent to 2014.  With deference to downpost, are you on that other Rush's payroll??

MrObvious
MrObvious

@TerryClifton02 @mantisdragon91  

Too add


Ignoring the basic statistics about the likelihood of anyone defending themselves in all these places, adding more guns don't lessen the chance of someone getting killed, only increases.

Statistically the increased chance of death will come from either self inflicted or in the heat of the moment incidents.

Like a guy spraying a car full of teenagers because he didn't like their music and they ignored him.

THAT is what comes out of these idiotic laws. Not less. Proven statistically AND if you use common sense and think.

It gives morons with half a brain and a chip on their shoulders the excuse to elevate every single conflict to the worst possible scenario.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@hivemaster @nflfoghorn  Mine, too. It's why flipflops are my family's shoe of choice for airport coutoure no matter the weather.

collioure
collioure

@Sue_N @collioure 

The CBO recognizes in a macroeconomic sense that the Stimulus helped.  That is to say that without the economic activity atriibutable thereto growth and employment would have been less favorable.

At the same time I remember the kinds of promises with which it was passed, and I will be researching those and posting them here.  There is no doubt that a large part of the funds were used to maintain Obama supporters in their jobs and very little was spent helping to generate jobs for other Americans.

It failed the objectives set out for the stimulus and it was a selfish gesture.  It did help the economy.

MrObvious
MrObvious

Ty I vote dull. Kind of like the black knight. Winger think vs saying nah uh and ignore facts they win. Never mind the lost arms and legs.

collioure
collioure

@mantisdragon91 @nflfoghorn@collioure@Sue_N 

I'm too tired this evening, Liar, but I guess I'm going to have to dig our the original lies with which this fraud was sold as well as those non-recovery summers.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@collioure @Sue_N  Oh, look, economists also say you're full of it.

But to estimate the answers to such questions, economists rely on models based on historical relationships between various policies and real-world results. Earlier this month, Zandi and co-author Alan Blinder, former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve, released the most detailed assessment of the government's efforts to combat the so-called Great Recession. Neither economist is regarded as a partisan firebrand. Zandi, for example, backed John McCain in the 2008 presidential campaign and has advised members of both parties.

Their conclusion: The fiscal stimulus created 2.7 million jobs and added $460 billion to gross domestic product. Unemployment would be 11% today if the stimulus hadn't been passed and 16.5% if neither the fiscal stimulus nor the banks' rescue had been enacted, according to Zandi and Blinder. "It's pretty hard to deny that it had a measurable impact," Zandi said.

collioure
collioure

@mantisdragon91 @collioure@Sue_N  

You're so accustomed to lying yourself that you apparently don't notice others lying along with you:

"Initially, there was a somewhat exaggerated focus on roads, bridges, and infrastructure from both Democrats who voted for the stimulus and from media outlets that covered it.

But most of actual stimulus outlays have not gone to building highways, airport runways, and wind farms"

TyPollard
TyPollard

@mantisdragon91 @collioure @Sue_N  

I can't decide if collie is a masochist or a sadist.

Is he here to take abuse for being so obtuse?

or

Is he here to abuse us with his obtuseness?

or

Can he be both?

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@collioure @Sue_NNo one lied about anything. They provided discretionary funding to State and Local Government. The State and Local Government did with it what they thought best.

collioure
collioure

@Sue_N @collioure 

To the extent that the feds spending money helps the econoomy, the stimulus spending helped generate economic activity and jobs.

However, a stimulus in general via the projects it funds is supposed to accelerate employment via the multiplier effect.  This stimulus did not have that feature, and the fact that they lied about should have put everyone on alert..

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@collioure @Sue_NWhat is Fraudulent about giving State and local government the discretion to use the money to keep from firing employees. How would we have been better off if all those people were fired and they used the money to hire others?

collioure
collioure

@Sue_N @collioure 

I need another article to pinpoint the fraudulent stimulus rollout?

I doubt I could find a better one.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@collioure  It has nothing to do with 2014.

Then why do you keep bringing it up? And why is this the only article you ever link to regarding the stimulus? (Btw, you really need to cultivate either better linking or reading skills, because this article does not support your position at all.)

That it was essentially patronage and didn't create any new jobs.

The CBO begs to differ with you on that last part.

collioure
collioure

@nflfoghorn @collioure 

What part of the above do you not understand, moron?

It has nothing to do with 2014.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@MementoMori @collioure@mantisdragon91@nflfoghorn The idiocy is that it wasn't just teachers. But also Firefighters and Police. How would we have been better off with all those people laid off? Not only would they no longer be spending money, but they would also be unavailable to protect us in the event of a fire or crime.

MementoMori
MementoMori

@collioure @mantisdragon91 @nflfoghorn  

If it was spent on roads it would have been patronage to state workers

If it was spent on runways it would have been patronage to the airline unions.

If it was spent on wind mills it would have been patronage to the alternative energy industry.

But since it was teachers, it was patronage to the teachers.

This is collie you're all arguing with. If it's dark out, it's because Obama took away the sun.

collioure
collioure

@mantisdragon91 @collioure@nflfoghorn  

Oh, but it most surely did, Liar.

"

But most of actual stimulus outlays have not gone to building highways, airport runways, and wind farms.

Instead, a large part of the stimulus was dedicated to bolstering government jobs — public school teachers, police officers, state caseworkers, and other public-sector employees — by funneling federal money to the state and local governments"