Morning Must Reads: February 5

In the news: Senate passes Farm Bill, House GOP gearing up for debt ceiling, will Obamacare really kill 2.5 million jobs, and Clay Aiken makes it official

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

  • Senate passes long-stalled Farm Bill [NYT]
  • House GOP Eyes Debt Ceiling Fight [TIME]
  • Obama praises CVS for pulling tobacco from shelves [AP via ABC]
  • Will Obamacare really kill 2.5 million jobs? [National Journal]
  • Does Obama have a Harry Reid problem? [Politico Magazine]
  • Fraud in Army recruiting bonus program may cost nearly $100 million [NYT]
  • Christie’s long time critic now in position to take on Gov. [Bloomberg]
  • Chris Christie’s pain is Scott Walker’s gain [Politico]
  • “On Tuesday, Microsoft, Google, Facebook and Yahoo published a tract of non-specific information about surveillance requests granted to the NSA through FISA court orders.” Salon on why we shouldn’t celebrate yet.
  • Silence Inc.: What side has corporate American taken in the Hobby Lobby challenge? [Slate]
  • Clay Aiken makes it official: he will run for Congress [Raleigh News & Observer]
  • Spiritual Guru to Congress: Love is all you need [Washington Post]
  • “Former wrestler and Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura says he has gone “off the grid” in Mexico to avoid drones knowing where he is.” [Politico]
677 comments
forgottenlord
forgottenlord

Well that's weird.  LF is telling me that there are 10234 comments on this thread

fitty_three
fitty_three

Heysoos!

The Nye thread is over 1700 and there are still 400+ lurkers.

The O's win!

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

"'I saw a barrel come up on the window, like a single-shot shotgun ... It was either a barrel or a stick.

"'I'm sh***ing bricks, but that's when I reached in my glove box, unholstered my pistol ... and so quicker than a flash I had a round chambered in it, and I shot,' he says, adding that he has owned the 9mm handgun since 1990 and 'always' keeps it fully loaded in his glove compartment.

"He initially fired his weapon four times, Dunn tells police, and the Durango began to pull away.

"'I was still scared and so I shot four more times ... trying to keep their heads down to not catch any return fire. And that was it...'"

[CNN]

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

Horrible "pizza" brought to you by a horrible person.


The document lists VIP donors—including John Schnatter, the founder of the Papa John's pizza chain—who were scheduled for one-on-one meetings with representatives of the political, corporate, and philanthropic wings of Kochworld.


http://crooksandliars.com/2014/02/koch-donor-list-unmasked

fitty_three
fitty_three

@forgottenlord

Had that happen earlier. Comment count was scrolling up right under my eyes. It said we had something like 3450 comments.

Also seems that the poff-orphaned Swmpland cyberspace bubble still happens.

fitty_three
fitty_three

Let's give this bit of propaganda the heave ho.  @ahandout .is entitled to his opinion, but spamming MMR with idiotic YouTube videos?


Naaah. Poff away!

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout  

And 'wingers have resorted to juvenile name calling. Grow up.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@ahandout  

The real truth is hidden in your statement 'It always happens...'

And for you, it's not a very complementary one.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

@Paul,nnto Better ingredients, better pizza.  If only I had them.   --Papa John

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

@ahandout ...but for teh sake of posterity let's show the entire world how clueless you are:

When you read the comments from the moron liberals that infect this site, keep in mind that this idiot Pelosi was their Speaker of the House.They support her and the disastrous law that she, Barry and Harry rammed through.Pelosi is so stupid, she doesn't even realize that she just showed the world what a moron she truly is, typical liberal Democrat.

Bad ol' puddy tat.



MrObvious
MrObvious

Dah hive

Original as old moldy cheese

You tell us

ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious @ahandout  See your favorite word: irony, ('wingers). 

Sorry, Barry and the Dems will not get a participation trophy.  Losers get their heads handed to them. 

fitty_three
fitty_three

@MrObvious  

He's short 20 cents, but more and more he's morphing into a crude rendition of paulejb.

ahandout
ahandout

@fitty_three @collioureSo, you finally found your calling 53...pushing the flag button.  Be careful you might be stretching your mental capability beyond its limits.

collioure
collioure

@fitty_three @collioure 

Actually it's a rather serious subject, 53.  You see, Obamacare was supposed to create 400,000 jobs.

Who exactly is going to pay the taxes to support all these federal benefits?

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure

We tolerate most of your garbage.  A vitrol laden thing with absolutely nothing resembling a coherent argument will get poffed, though.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

@fitty_three @nflfoghorn He proves to not realize much of anything.

collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord  

I didn't attribute the $2 trillion over 10 years to any specific facet of Obamacare.

The fact remains that after spending all this money, causing all the uproar and dislocations, the number uninsured will not be reduced.

FYI Ryan called Obamacare a poverty trap.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure

2 trillion is 200 billion a year.  200 billion is about 1% of the economy which theoretically should be higher than the estimated actual reduction in the salary base and can't possibly be close to the actual reduction in the tax base which is what the CBO indicated was the primary source of the deficit which means that the 2 trillion isn't primarily from salary base reductions.

But at least you're getting closer to facts and actual question marks, but at that point, it's a difference in philosophy.  If somebody is working for the sole purpose of being able to afford health insurance for their family and now sees the ability to not have to do so, I think that's actually beneficial for the United States.  You keep going on and on about the importance of two-parent households - what do the studies say about two parent households where one parent either is stay-at-home or works part time compared to two parent households where both parents work full time?  Well gee, we have an opportunity to let more people have productive house lives?  What about a situation that allows people who might want to upgrade their education to do so because they can afford health care?  What about a situation that allows people to explore early retirement?  Honestly, I see good things.

But then, I believe Government should provide these services.  I believe that secondary needs like health care and education should be guaranteed by the government and funded properly so that the things people are working for are the luxuries in life - better food, better housing, better clothes, better entertainment, better life.  How people want to live their life and how much they want to avail themselves of these luxuries is up to them.  I'm ok with that and any properly incentivized society will have them working and working hard and any properly tax structured society will be able to pay for those who decide to fall back.

But I don't expect you to agree with me on that.

collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord @collioure 

Look, this is a disincentive to work and to collect benefits instead.  It can't be good for the country.

Furthermore, the current projections are that Obamacare will not reduce the number of uninsured, but it will cost $2 trillion over 10 years..

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure

Ok, I know you went for your daily dose of right-wing lunacy but I would like to remind you that we disproved it sufficiently that you had to go and start debating short term job losses rather than the CBO report which actually refutes your very own argument in its own text. Just because Fox hasn't stopped talking about it yet doesn't make it any more real.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

@collioure @fitty_three Please don't feign ignorance.  We've already addressed this today.  Nuance is not a small ski resort on the Med coast.