Morning Must Reads: January 24

In the news: Industries see climate change as an "economically disruptive force"; Davos debates austerity; Syrian peace talks crumble; Grimes takes on Mitch McConnell; National Journal announces the 30 most influential out Washingtonians

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

  • Industry Awakens to Threat of Climate Change [NYT]
  • “Maureen McDonnell relayed to federal prosecutors last summer that she felt responsible for the relationship with a wealthy businessman who had drawn legal scrutiny to Virginia’s first family, and her attorney asked whether the case could be resolved without charges for her husband. But prosecutors showed no interest…” [WashPost]
  • The Obama Tapes [New Yorker]
  • Our Man in Africa [FP]
  • Old Enmities in the Newest Nation: Behind the Fighting in South Sudan [New Yorker]
  • “Syrian peace talks are on the verge of collapse with the Syrian government threatening to leave Switzerland after the opposition refused to meet face-to-face until it agreed to the creation of a transitional government.” [Aljazeera]
  • Davos Austerity Debate Renewed as Summers Splits With Osborne [Bloomberg]
  • Putin’s Olympic Fever Dream [NYT]
  • Bluegrass Bravado: Untested Alison Lundergan Grimes takes on Mitch McConnell [Politico]
  • The 30 Most Influential Out Washingtonians [National Journal]
  • “The GOP’s effort to rebrand itself didn’t get far—but it may not matter: It’s winning anyway.” [Atlantic]
    • Huckabee: GOP Waging ‘War for Women’ [TIME]
    • Google Broadens Its Outreach to GOP [WSJ]
    • For GOP, Adjusted 2016 Primary Calendar Is All About The Money [TIME]
692 comments
roknsteve
roknsteve

Stupid idiot Colli thinks it's colder in Seattle than in Denver and that's going to help them in New Jersey when the temp is 9 degrees or less.     

notsacredh
notsacredh

Well, I didn't think I'd be on the swamp for a week because I started midnights and it was going to be brutally cold. I also didn't expect to geta strep throat and be off on sick leave. I was on the lock wall the other night and the wind chill was -25. The wind was blowing so hard that the snow was horizontal. I put in a print out request for retirement.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

Oh good freaking Lord.

Nazi Germany went after the 1% too, says investor.

Let's argue for a minute that they did - a very difficult claim especially when he claims that they went after it in the form of going after the Jewish people which actually had far more to do with Hitler's general Antisemitism than his anti-Capitalism and he was more than happy to kill millions of poor Jewish individuals (though admittedly, he did argue about wealth hoarding, but that's a side note) - (A) that does not inherently make pointing out the bias against the 1% and seeking them to get a smaller share of the pie inherently evil, because (B) we're not talking about rounding you guys up, sticking you in death camps and progressively gassing you out for the sake of purifying the gene pool and (C) if you can't argue for the immorality of a position without citing Nazi Germany.....perhaps you aren't on the moral high ground.

TyPollard
TyPollard

OT: Seattle Seahawks have always been irrelevant to the rest of the country. I think we are now hated (wrongly IMHO). This is progress in my view.


PPP polling:

In the 5 yrs we've been polling who people want to win the Super Bowl it's by far the most lopsided it's ever been this yr, for the Broncos

notsacredh
notsacredh

@fitty_three, I slept for 13 out of 15 hours. I've still got a headache, but nothing like the pounder I had yesterday. I couldn't even think straight yesterday (not that I ever really do). 

collioure
collioure

@roknsteve 

How many times must I tell you ???  Stick to music.

Seattle runs the ball better.  That's what you do on a snowy field.

notsacredh
notsacredh

@roknsteve, my son called from Colorado today and it was in the 60s where he's at. 

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@sacredh 

So is that "I'm retiring" or "I've grabbed the form for retirement and contemplating filling it in"?

collioure
collioure

@TyPollard 

Well, the bad weather in the East makes Seattle a favorite in my book.

(What knucklehead made that decision?)

Sue_N
Sue_N

If SyFy doesn't make a movie based on this, the whole story will have been a tragic, tragic waste.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@fitty_three 

Though it took most of the article to get to the point of... everyone's pretty sure it actually sunk.

roknsteve
roknsteve

@sacredh That's impossible.  I just checked the weather.com and it's in the 40's. 

notsacredh
notsacredh

@forgottenlord, I cancelled my remaining 4 vacations this year and I'm waiting for my papers to see how much I'll get. If it's what I think it's goingto be after deductions, I put my formal papers in.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure

My wife and I are cutting the cable this month.  The one thing I'll miss is hockey games.  Really wish there were better options.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure

I'm not saying there isn't a valid argument to be made.  I'm saying that the argument can't be made from the perspective of Naziism.  What Nazis did was evil not because they were Nazis but because Genocide and Imperialism are evil.

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There does need to be an artificial redistribution of wealth, but I have no idea how it can be done in a just and effective manner.  Higher income taxes and a higher minimum wage, IMO, are beneficial, but they are half measures that help limit the natural wealth redistribution upwards (wealth will redistribute upwards in any system that is not properly regulated as the powerful get more powerful and allowed to accumulate the wealth sucking it out of the rest of society) without dealing with the fundamentals.  It was considered offensive, in the middle of the Savings and Loans crisis, for a CEO to be making 3.1 million as his company burned around him.  Today, it is seen as normal for a CEO to be making 100 million as his company burns around him.  How do you regulate that?  CEO's salaries growing 35 fold in 20 years while the majority hold stagnant wages?  How do you regulate the fact that corporations are fueling this process by holding short term view points to encourage major stock advancements today without considering long term impact - and profiting far too long on that methodology?  And how can you correct it without completely dismantling the market place?  You can't say it's a worker's problem - it isn't.  You can't tell 95% of the country that they're the problem.  When 1% is benefitting from a societal structure at the expense of the rest, the society is unjust and needs a correction.  But how should that correction come about?  That's a very complex question and a harder answer.

TyPollard
TyPollard

@collioure @TyPollard 

I hope for mild weather because I think the match up is so interesting and hard to predict. 

P.S. You should really avoid FOX news. In fact avoiding all 24 hour cable news is a good idea but FOX is the least reliable.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@forgottenlord

Would I be really mean if I splained to Deputy Density here about the ecology of reefs? I want to, but I think maybe not, since if it doesn't come from FUX, it will probably go in one ear and out the other.

Aside from that, I think you're right.  Even then, it would show up on even lower res satellite swaths.

notsacredh
notsacredh

@fitty_three, I'm waiting for the drs office to open so that I can maybe get in to see him today. I didn't go to work last night  and I also reported off for tonight. I talked to my boss yesterday morning and he said i should take the rest of the week off. I hate missing work though.

notsacredh
notsacredh

@forgottenlord, doomed to hell and back. I had some people doing some serious swearing at me over the last few days.

collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord@collioure 

You have no further response, no solution.

Just tax the rich - a populist myth.

You know, populism always sounds good.

It appeals to lesser minds.

collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord@collioure 

You're welcome.  I didn't realize that focusing on results or on the lack thereof defied logic.  I rather thought it was the other way around.

FYI my top concern for 5 years now has been the unemployed.  They are a national tragedy.that the incompetent community organizer has been ignoring all along.

Come to think of it, whom hasn't he failed?  Well, aside from the 1%ers?


collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord@collioure 

Before I go back to bed.

1. I'm retired and living abroad.  So I don't benefit from the sytem you find unsatisfactory.

2.  Class warfare is a dead end.  The idea that you can lift up the 99% by penalizing the 1% does not work and it isn't working for Barry.

3. You have to concentrate on the needs of the 99% and right now their biggest need is jobs, jobs, jobs and the sluggish Barack Obama economy does not create nearly enough jobs, jobs, jobs.  As noted they also need 2-parent homes, better education, and effective job training.


"A rising tide lifts all boats"  Don't forget it.

collioure
collioure

@Paul,nnto@collioure 

Hardly a day goes by that someone here doesn't recommend taxing the rich.

Well, we are taxing the rich more these days.  And dissatisfaction with govt is at 65%

collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord@collioure 

1. Children of single parents have little chance of success.  Do you hear anyone in the USA speaking to the issue of responsible fatherhood?

2. Do you know how many ineffective overlapping job training programs we have? We need to retrain a lot of people for the jobs that ARE available.

3. You could take all the money the 1%ers earn and the government still couldn't help the other 99%.  They waste and waste, and their programs don't work.  Penalizing the 1% is not an answer.  It's just an illusion.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure 

Yes, the problem is the 99%.  The problem is that the vast majority of people are just too stupid, too uneducated, don't live in a two parent household, and don't have sufficient training to succeed.  Nevermind that the majority of families are in two-parent households and somehow are still suffering from stagnant wages.  Nevermind that 25% of today's college graduates can't find jobs in their chosen fields.  Oh no, the 99% just haven't figured it out because Collie Math has figured out how to fix the plight of the 99%.

Do you even hear yourself when you talk?  Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

Or should I point out the illogicality of the idea that 99 out of 100 people should change the way they approach things because the 1% are the epitome of "success" and therefore that should be what everyone is.  No, I do not accept that argument.  When 1% benefit and the rest suffer, that is not the failing of the 99%, that's a failing of the system.

If this was a story of how the 80% were successful and the 20% were not, we might have a different story, a different discussion and the idea of propping up the failing with the achievements of the success might make a bit of sense.  But we're not.

You and I will NEVER agree on this.  You will blindly protect the system that allows you and your ilk to succeed and define your entire philosophy around protecting it while I will always seek a society that benefits all of society, not just the privileged few.  I refuse to believe that the nobility of England should be replaced by the CEOs of America.  I refuse to accept that Liberty and Democracy must lead to that.

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

@collioure  "The left wing answer is always to penalize success"


Please share with us a few examples. As it happens "always" I suppose five would suffice. 

collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord@collioure 

The left wing answer is always to penalize success, invariably proposed by those who have no idea of what it takes to be a CEO - and many CEO's don't hold these positions very long.

The answer is the improve the lot of the 99% with education, job training, and two-parent families

We aren't doing that, esp the two-parent families.  Instead we have hucksters promoting higher taxes on the rich which just give the hucksters more money to waste.  Our current chief huckster excels at wasting it.  Thrift is not a word in his vocabulary.


collioure
collioure

@TyPollard@collioure 

I am quite capable of distilling the best from the few English-speaking outlets I receive.  Watched quite a bit of BBC this weekend as CNN and Fox were in crisis mode.

Once more with feeling - the news (that is, Special Report) on Fox is excellent.  Right up there with PBS.  I do not watch the hammy, biased daytime programming on Fox.

collioure
collioure

@fitty_three@collioure  

You can't even read your own reference, bozo.

Try again.

"A reef is a rock, sandbar, or other feature lying beneath the surface of the water (80 meters or less beneath low water)"

collioure
collioure

@fitty_three@forgottenlord  

reef:  A strip or ridge of rocks, sand, or coral that rises to or near the surface of a body of water.

collioure
collioure

@fitty_three@collioure 

Near the coasts there are a lot of reefs, bozo.

Just shallow rocks or exposed rocks or sand bars, all dangerous to boats.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@collioure 

And apparently you can't read maps.  They aren't everywhere.  Do you know even what a reef is, dumbbell?

fitty_three
fitty_three

@collioure 

Nope - Those are deep sea reefs.  Deep Sea.  Know what that means?

Deep. 

Sea.

Here. Stick, stupid!

collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord 

Actually there are cold water coral reefs too, some in the North Atlantic, but I was just referring to reefs which literally are everywhere.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

However, reefs don't grow in the North Atlantic, Arctic, North Pacific.

I did not know that

collioure
collioure

@fitty_three 

I do watch Fox, but not in the way you watch MSNBC.

For me it is a primary info source, but not a primary opinion source.

collioure
collioure

@fitty_three@forgottenlord 

Pardon me, bozo, but there are reefs near the shores of just about all major bodies of water, even some far from shore..

fitty_three
fitty_three

@forgottenlord 

It seemed to me it was more humorous than serious. 

However, reefs don't grow in the North Atlantic, Arctic, North Pacific.

Just thought I'd point that out.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure

Even more likely than drifting ashore is it just sitting in the middle of the Atlantic and eventually finding its way to the North Atlantic Garbage Patch - another reason why the story is stupid.  If it had found shore, it's more likely that someone would've spotted it by now and it wouldn't be a mysterious ghost ship.  But the reason this story even exists is because something disturbed the ship while it was still in the Atlantic so given the precondition that (A) it was last reported in the middle of the Ocean and (B) they couldn't find it at the time and (C) they think they saw a ping from a sensor that would indicate it sunk, the most likely outcome is that it sunk - as you said, from iceberg or storm.

collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord@collioure 

It suppose it could have taken on water during storms, esp in the north Atlantic, or even been struck by an iceberg further north and sunk, but I still think the most likely scenario is that it drifted ashore somewhere.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure

The sensor ping put it 2/3 of the way across the Atlantic (from Canada) which is still far enough into the Atlantic to be nowhere close to a reef or anything resembling land.  They also said that a different sensor ping that they couldn't confirm is one that would fire when a ship sank.

Also, they went out and looked for it and couldn't find it which furthers the theory it sank - you'd spot a ship caught on a reef.