Morning Must Reads: January 13

In the news: an interim Iran nuclear accord, the United States' $1.1 trillion spending bill, and Hillary Clinton's hit list

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

  • “Iran and six world powers took a significant and hard-won step toward nuclear rapprochement on Sunday, announcing a deal to implement a landmark agreement that caps Iran’s disputed nuclear program in return for a modest easing of crippling economic sanctions.” [WashPost]
  • “House-Senate negotiators have substantially narrowed their differences over a $1.1 trillion governmentwide spending bill and are closing in on a deal that the leadership hopes can be filed by Monday night and moved quickly through Congress this week.” [Politico]
  • Bad News: The reputation of Roger Ailes [New Yorker]
  • A Balance of Powers Case With Senate GOP Power in the Balance [Roll Call]
  • “Duluth, Minn., and Superior Wis., are so close physically and culturally that they are known as the Twin Ports. But much began to change when Minnesota government went all Democratic and Wisconsin all Republican.” [NYT]
  • Hillary’s Hit List [Hill]
578 comments
fitty_three
fitty_three

@collioure

Let me make a couple of points here:

I'm quite a bit different than MM, Mantis, DQ and Mr. O. They are (as those I haven't mentioned) are skilled at debating, and are always careful to provide citeable documentation to supplement their high level of knowledge of the subjects being debated.

I'm different in that on some subjects, I don't have their depth of knowledge, thus, I won't get into those kinds of debates with you. 

That does not mean that I can't dismantle your arguments: I can, because I can see inherent flaws in your points that don't require debate such as your penchant for drawing on sources that attempt to disguise their opinions as facts. When I do, it reveals your underlying gullibility on a wide range of subjects - which is why I can invoke things like Occam's razor to reject many of your points out of hand without debate on the point you are trying to push.

Opinions aren't facts, so why would I even want to debate you on the opinion itself? 

In short, don't look for debate with me, because I will just drive past you too the hoop and expose the core problem with whatever stand you take, which is really not very hard to do.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@nflfoghorn

Why is the tip of Lurch's Floda lapel pin red in the 'm-word' video?

Is there something we don't know and probably shouldn't ask about?

fitty_three
fitty_three

Well, I'm certainly glad that @collioure's penchant for conspiracies has been handled.

Next up:

Getting his plate of crow ready.  There's been a huge surge in Obamacare applicants.


I will be more than happy to personally serve it to him on Mach 31, 2014.

MementoMori
MementoMori

Blogger At Cruz Rally: Shoot If You See California License Plates

A conservative blogger at a rally for Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) jokingly said Texans should start shooting if they see cars with California license plates.

The blogger, Bill Whittle, is a regular guest on Fox News and frequent contributor to Pajamas Media. He also previously wrote for National Review Online.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

How curious that with Chris Christie taking on water rapidly, Fox release "New" Benghazi transcripts to distract the wingers from his crime spree.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

Y'know, my favorite part of the "Proceed, Governor" line is that you can clearly see that Romney realized just as surely as everyone else that "Proceed, Governor" meant he'd walked into a trap but he could not, for the life of him figure out where it was or, just as relevantly, how the heck to back down from walking into the trap.  It might be the greatest political clip just because of how completely frazzled Romney got as he realized he was f***ed.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@collioure 

"Dead horses can't take care of themselves"  ~ Alice Cooper


Oops. Metaphor error::improper mix

Oh, tohellwithit.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@nflfoghorn 

Oh, and Matt Dixon didn't get very far in grammar school: 'quiet', not 'quite'

I'm not a grammar nazi, butt...

collioure
collioure

@fitty_three@collioure 

Don't think I have ever posted about insufficient enrollments, 53.

Do remember that I told you the website (which eventually will work) was much more than glitches, and more recently that it's going to fail.  Insufficient enrollments by young people will be one of the reasons.

So far it has reduced the number of insureds.

collioure
collioure

@mantisdragon91 

And it wasn't Fox that released the transcripts, Third Grade.

They don't declassify material.

jmac
jmac

@mantisdragon91 They can't make up their minds what to go with!    They thought Obamacare and the 'lie' would carry them  to November, then they quickly switched to the IRS after Christie's performance, now they're back to Benghazi.  

outsider
outsider

@mantisdragon91 

It'll fail as a distraction. 

Christie is in serious trouble now - even if only half the stuff he's accused of is true. 

collioure
collioure

@mantisdragon91 

Speaking of conspiracy theories, that one is right up there.

FYI Fox viewers are probably not very high on Christie.  They're more conservative.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@MementoMori 

I'm genuinely surprised they're not blaming the bridge closing on Obama.  I mean really, why not?

Calling it now though, if the investigation into federal funds used for those commercials turns up bad ju-ju they'll blame that on Obama, because the funds were "approved by the Administration!"

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@forgottenlord 

Between "The investigation is forthcoming" and "I haven't formed an opinion yet" that we get often from our own Mitt Romney, I'm kind of wondering if he has a solid stance on anything at all.  That, you know, isn't anti-Obama.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@collioure 

FOX listeners aren't particularly smart:

Witless your failure at reading comprehension:


The location and context of that telling word 'new' with quotes around it.

ARTRaveler
ARTRaveler

@jmac @mantisdragon91 When a Party's entire agenda is based on "hate", it is hard to find something that you can use to show what your party stands for without making yourself look more stupid than the GOTP looks already

fitty_three
fitty_three

@MementoMori

I'm sure that FOX isn't saying that Obama is trying to divert attention away from the big enrollment surge in December?

Why would Obama ever do something so crass as to divert attention away from his own successes?

Even Obama knows he's an incompetent community organizer and that everything is his fault!

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DonQuixotic

They should. After all, isn't Christie practicing Chicago-style "thug" politics?  It must have rubbed off on Christie when he hugged Obama.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure

Yes, because scandals are entirely measured by the number of people fired.

I seem to recall a "scandal" where some poor woman who worked at the White House was accused of something by Fox News and summarily dismissed but when the research was done over the next two days, it was discovered that the story was bull and Obama personally offered the woman her old job back.  For some reason, she's no longer at the White House so clearly there was a scandal there.

collioure
collioure

@ARTRaveler @collioure

The only question here today is who has the Benghazi story correct.

Material declassified this week indicates that Fox News has had it correct all along.

All the survivors of the attack said it was a terrorist attack.  "No one mentioned a protest outside the consulate."

So Susan Rice, the New York Times and many other media sources had it wrong. 

ARTRaveler
ARTRaveler

@collioure Bring back the "Fairness Doctrine" and see which new source has to change their positions to be able to even try to make their imaginative stories look like "truth".  FAUX is properly named.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@collioure

Hilarious. I'm credible and you're not. 

Why?

Because I have provided extensive documentation on many different subjects with over 800 citations, while you have yet to provide any credible documents, and not provided even one single citeable source.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@collioure

You should have stopped at the word 'news'. You would have been more convincing, but then again, you and Occam's Razor aren't on speaking terms.

collioure
collioure

@fitty_three@collioure 

It's not news that the other media are biased and irresponsible.

And that's just one of the reasons you are so ill-informed.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@collioure

In case you hadn't noticed, only FOX is beating that dead horse.

At least my 'pony' has life.

ARTRaveler
ARTRaveler

@collioure @fitty_three Wow, Senator Graham is a impeachable source?  The man is a Republican stooge who will lie on anything..  Cite a source and hell; if just quoting would sufficve, Issa would fill you mail with all sorts of "facts:" that have no relationship to reliability.  Republicans lie repeatedly. Hell, that;'s why we went into Iraq.  Lies count and people die!

collioure
collioure

@fitty_three

If only that were true, but the last one pointed to recently declassified material reviewed by Sen Graham. 

Just about all of them point to text or statements that are traceable.

FYI Iran is still refining uranium just like the Washington Free Bacon said it could.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@collioure

"...new..."


You aren't smart enough to separate facts from opinions. Every post you've provided points to an opinion of a hack right wing writer with no citeable sources.

collioure
collioure

@fitty_three@collioure 

There you go again!

A pathetic attempt based on who reported the declassified materiel, not on what the declassified material says.

Hey, facts matter.

Except to you.

collioure
collioure

@DonQuixotic@collioure@MementoMori 

Only you are.

On all these scandals.

Robbert5
Robbert5

@collioure@forgottenlord 

Yet there is no connection to the administration what so ever.  Issa still has nothing, the Fox has nothing, the repugs have nothing.  This in stark contrast to the GWB.  Chris's teams's hands are all over it.  So again how are these comparable?

collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord@collioure 

I didn't want you to overlook the initial explanation for the IRS scandal - "a few rogue employees in Cincinnati" 

That first lie didn't last long.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@MementoMori@outsider@DonQuixotic@collioureThere was an attack that used as cover a demonstration by hundreds of angry young men many of them from towns surrounding Benghazi including Sollum, Derna, Gazala and Tobruk. In other words there was no way of knowing if the attack was planned or would have happened without the cover of the demonstration. I challenge one expert to show me how without the unrest in the region that night sparked by the video they can guarantee the attack would still have occurred.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@collioure@DonQuixotic  

There's new info cleared for release on Benghazi this very evening from those on the ground, from Panetta

Oh, good.  I can't wait to hear about it.

collioure
collioure

@DonQuixotic 

Oh, please.

There's new info cleared for release on Benghazi this very evening from those on the ground, from Panetta . . .

It was never considered anything other than a terrorist attack.

outsider
outsider

@collioure@outsider  

As i said, i don't feel it's right to insult you simply because we disagree. But you have said yourself that you hope things fail so that you can say told you so. 

That isn't only base, and slightly immoral when it comes to peoples lives - it shows that you're self-aware. And i cannot for the life of me believe that anyone intelligent enough to operate his keyboard would believe Fox news. 

But then, as i said, maybe i give too much credit. 

 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151934203366275&set=a.180479986274.135777.177486166274&type=1&theater

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@collioure@outsider@forgottenlord 

Is not believing in a conspiracy theory a conspiracy theory in and of itself?  My goodness.

Edit: by the by, living in "France", shouldn't you be in bed?

outsider
outsider

@MementoMori@outsider@forgottenlord@collioure 

I was just trying - very hard - to avoid just panning him without giving him some kind of credit. 

i wasn't counting on anyone challenging me on it. 

I confess - i actually don't have any respect for him. i just don't like to go off and say bad things about him. 

Mock him - sure, cause he says things that are mockable. But i don't want to just insult the guy. It isn't cool when he does it, it wouldn't be for me to do it either. Hence the balance. 

I should be a journalist, with all this false equivalency flying around.. 

outsider
outsider


Just like Benghazi of course. Despite the evidence to the contrary. 

And Fast and Furious before that. Again, despite it not being true. 

I see a pattern here - it isn't that the Obama Administration lies - it's that  he'll call Obama a liar, despite the truth of any matter. 


Whatesoever. 

 

outsider
outsider

@forgottenlord@collioure 

You're missing his entire point (purposely i'd assume) - Obama is bad, and anything that he can say, do or use to try and tarnish Obama to all us liberals is a victory for him. 

I doubt even he guys into the conspiracy theory. He's demonstrated a reasonable amount of intelligence (even if there is no common sense to balance out the ODS/Ideological right wing bent). He knows it's unlikely. But he will argue for the sake of arguing in order to get people to talk to him, FL. 

It's hardly a new phenomenon around here. I mean the guy has come out and said, flat out that he likes to argue. Then ignore any kind of evidence/fact to the contrary of what he believes. 

Do you expect to make headway, and have a real conversation with him? I'm fairly certain all you're going to end up with is a bunch of goalpost moving, and fingers in his ears, pretending you didn't say what you did (or if he can't outright deny you said it, just ignore it all together). 

 

collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord 

What we had was a stream of lies from the very beginning, followed by her trying to take the 5th, and eventually her resignation.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

One more thought: if you had evidence, you would've posted it by now.  You don't.  You just have allegations and character attacks.  Which is more unhinged: to believe something unsubstantiated by evidence or to believe something based upon evidence and to support it with said evidence.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure

Translated:

"I have no evidence but I'm confident there's a scandal so wait until FBI finishes their investigation and then I will be able to tell you "I told you so"

When you have evidence, come talk to me.  Until then, I'm not unhinged for looking at the evidence that currently exists and saying "I see no evidence of wrongdoing here"

outsider
outsider

@forgottenlord@collioure 

But FL - Fox told collie she was bad. No amount of logic, or fact will change that simple lie to him. 

And thus a need to disparage Mo's post. 

Cause we know Collie can't restrain himself.. 

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure  

Oh, I missed your note about taking the 5th.  Check this

Key point: even if you're absolutely 100% innocent, any defense lawyer on the planet should advise you to take the 5th

collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord@collioure 

Keep winging it.

The FBI has only recently begun to investigate. 


Say, do you smoke those funny little cigarettes?  Is that your problem?

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@collioureShe tried to take the 5th because she was dealing with Darrel Issa the man has a history of not only being abrasive to witnesses but also lying about their testimony.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure

Actually, it would be the same topic so it's hardly the second time.

Also, Lois Lerner was asked to resign when the scandal was still being investigated and they needed to kill the problem politically.  However, as the investigation has deepened, it is harder and harder to find evidence that she actually committed any wrongdoing or that the IRS was doing anything inappropriate or illogical considering it's mandate and there is zero evidence that the IRS was doing anything political.

collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord 

If you're suggesting Lois Lerner was innocent, you're demonstrating how unhinged you are a second time this evening.

In case you missed it, she tried to take the 5th.