Obama Adviser Cool To Snowden Amnesty

National Security Adviser Susan Rice rejects amnesty for the NSA leaker

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Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador to the U.N., speaks to the media on April 13, 2012, in New York City

Former NSA contractor and leaker Edward Snowden shouldn’t get amnesty, President Barack Obama’s top national security official said.

“We don’t think that Snowden deserves amnesty,” National Security Adviser Susan Rice said of Snowden, during an interview on CBS’ 60 Minutes that aired Sunday night. “We believe he should come back, he should be sent back, and he should have his day in court.”

Still, administration officials have kept open the possibility of some amnesty, and Rice didn’t engage when Stahl asked whether refusing him amnesty was worth the potential threat of more leaks that could further damage the United States’ reputation abroad.

“Lesley, you know I’m not going to get into a negotiation with you on camera about something that sensitive,” she said.

68 comments
suave.mario
suave.mario

Snowden is a spy looking for the highest bidder. Has already cost our country lives in the spy network! He should be shot!


WillSync
WillSync

"Let them say what they want," he said. "It's not about me." Eddie Snowden

DavidLango
DavidLango

Isn't this the same Susan Rice that jumped through flaming hoops on television just before Obama's reelection to white wash the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya as a media protest? Nowadays she can't be bothered with questions about Benghazi but she has time to weigh in on the brave hero exposing the destruction of the 4th amendment?


The illegitimate establishment that would have us all unarmed in public so the bureaucrats can more easily enjoy their double standard of liberty and privacy; wants the rest of us to turn ourselves in and sign up for obamacare.


We need more patriots of conscience to step forward, and keep reporting until it's no longer a crime to blow the whistle on corruption.

MarkBvs
MarkBvs

I have to be honest, you cannot hide from the NSA, they have a small thing called a "National Security Letter". But what it does, it gives them the ability to shut your organization down. There was a company who provided secure email encryption for the public, the NSA caught wind and asked the CEO to turn over his security keys, he refused, they stated they had authority to shut him down, with this info, he shutdown the company.

Recently NSA has made another move and it Secretly Partnered with RSA for Backdoors in Encryption Products

This move simply trigger any security threat

sacredh
sacredh

Amnesty. Sniper. Amnesty. Sniper. Snowden doesn't deserve amnesty.

RonnyBryson
RonnyBryson

If you could imagine a wagging dog trying to chase it's tail, then you would have a good picture of how SR etc must feel about EJS's possible amnesty. On one hand they can't afford to let him get away with what he did, as it could send the wrong message to other would be HEROS working for classified sections of government. At the same time stopping the as yet unreleased  information EJS has from being released would be high on their list too. But, there are, from what I have worked out, two sets of files, the ones now being held or controlled by GG etc, and the secret stash of far more damaging files he has hidden in case they get him and have their way with him.


Firstly, I don't think there is a chance in hell ( the 'Oval Office?') that EJS would sell out his values and ask GG to stop publishing the first pile of files, just to get amnesty, any such thought is beyond stupid, even if GG would agree.


Secondly, the dooms day stash is exactly that, the worst of the worst according to EJS, only to be released if he is taken, killed, or otherwise compromised by the USG, giving that up for amnesty, when he could not be at all safe in his own country even with it, let alone the world, what would be the point, he may as well hang on to it for life, just in case. there are too many loons out there that would love to make a name for themselves.

MalcolmMacLeod
MalcolmMacLeod

Susan Rice has a narrow vested interest in in being pro-administration, and against

pro-freedom people who see what's going on. Mr. Edward Snowdon did us the most

tremendous service by exposing NSA. Mr. Obama qualifies as our worst potus. 

sirchet
sirchet

Susan Rice needs to answer for her lies.


A question; How do you know when Barry is lying, is it if he's standing in front of a group of so called liberals, or just when his lips are moving?

ShaneD.McCarty
ShaneD.McCarty

This statement was made after the federal court ruling which said that the NSA spying is unconstitutional. WOW.lol. Snowden = hero. 

tfdrumm
tfdrumm

It's one thing to blow "a" whistle...another to blow the top off the whole national; security apparatus.

UncleAl
UncleAl

Snowden makes the "Pentagon Papers" look like a walk in the park.  IRS political targeting, then the somnambulant obscenity that is Attorney General Eric Holder.  The Federal Reserve embezzling $1.2 trillion/year with ZIRP to starve the retired and end productive investment.  Obamacare, obamanation,


http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/zerobam2.jpg

http://obamaprincetonthesis.wordpress.com/

Obamunism as it is, as it has always been and shall forever be.    You can have any State-imposed tyranny they want.  Strength Through Sacrifice.


WAR IS PEACE

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

OBAMA IS PRESIDENT


Ministry of Peace (Minipax) waging war.

Ministry of Plenty (Miniplenty) rationing and starving.

Ministry of Love (Miniluv) imposing Homeland Severity.

Ministry of Truth (Minitrue) fabricating news, entertainment, education, art.



AlanMacDonald
AlanMacDonald

YES! --- Snowden is not only a 'whistle-blower' on the NSA, but also on the EMPIRE behind the NSA.

NSA spying on all Americans (and every human being in every country on the globe) is merely the first recognition of only one of the police-state functions of just the 3rd, 'militarist sector', of the overall Disguised Global Empire, the integrated but hidden six-sectored Global Empire of; corporate, financial, militarist, media, extra-legal, and political Empire, that has 'captured' and now fully "Occupies" our former country (and others) by hiding behind the facade of its modernized and DUAL-Party 'Vichy' sham of democracy --- just as surely as the earlier Nazi Empire tried less successfully to hide behind its crude and mere single-party Vichy facade regime in 'captured' and "Occupied" France during the Second World War of EMPIRES.

Best to all in correctly diagnosing, exposing, non-violently confronting, surgically 'excising', and surviving the cancerous disease of Empire which is currently disguising a hidden tumor in our 'body politic'.

Best luck and love to the fast expanding 'Occupy the Empire' educational and non-violent revolutionary movement against this deceitful and Disguised Global EMPIRE, which can't so easily be identified as wearing Red Coats, Red Stars, nor funny looking Nazi helmets ---- quite YET!

Liberty, democracy, justice, and equality
Over
Violent ('Vichy' disguised)
Empire,

Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine

alansky
alansky

The administration is clearly too blind and stupid to realize that the only way the NSA affair can make them look worse than they already do is by their continued insistence on demonizing the man who exposed the NSA's unconstitutional surveillance activities.

yogi
yogi

Of course government officials are okay with amnesty for Snowden, they'll send him to Gitmo where none of that matters.

tom.litton
tom.litton

The balance between the need for security and the need for privacy is a valid and necessary debate we should have.


However, when the decisions are made in private, that debate can't happen.  It won't be long before the need for security trumps the need for privacy, and then illegal search and seizures, and then due process.  

How long can a democracy last when people that speak out against government policy are labeled traitors and terrorists. 


Let's not forget our founding fathers were also labeled traitors and terrorists.

DavidLango
DavidLango

@sacredh  One that would defend the illegitimate establishment's secrecy and tyranny doesn't deserve to be free or independent.


You should turn all your weapons and ammo in to your locally elected sheriff and report to your nearest FEMA camp for internment. The war on terror is based on the 9/11 lie. We do not have a "national security" problem with a sheriff able call upon citizens to exercise their 2nd amendment rights. We do not need a Department of Homeland Security because we already have a militia that would present any armed invasion with a gun behind every blade of grass.


That's why they're doing it the way they are!


I wrote a letter to our locally elected sheriff in support of the 2nd amendment instead. 


Susan Rice gave up her 1st amendment rights when she decided to parrot censored media talking points. Edward Snowden showed us all how the NSA has destroyed our 4th amendment rights. You probably do not even understand the 2nd amendment, so allow me to quote Thomas Jefferson:


“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” — Thomas Jefferson


Check back when you are required to quarter UN troops in your own home. I'll explain what the 3rd amendment is.

jmac
jmac

@ShaneD.McCarty One judge in a district court does not a ruling make.   Fifteen judges have ruled the opposite.  The case he took is flimsy at best - almost laughable when you hear the words Larry Klayman.  


Hero's don't rat on their country to China and Brazil and flee to Russia, especially with China hacking us weekly.  

jmac
jmac

@UncleAl Uncle Al, you're right on Snowden's page.   It's about Obama.  It's not about anything else.  

PandemicRue
PandemicRue

@AlanMacDonald  you left off Global Empire of...  religious and pharmaceutical

PatriotEngineerAnalyst
PatriotEngineerAnalyst

@AlanMacDonald  


There are health conditions that affect the way a person acts, thinks, and sees the world. People with such problems have an altered perception of reality, often a significant loss of contact with reality. They may see or hear things that don’t exist, speak in strange or confusing ways, believe that others are trying to harm them, or feel like they’re being constantly watched. 


If you know of anyone with this health condition, please offer help. 

jmac
jmac

@alansky What did he expose?   That a  computer algorithm searches for metadata for new patterns and destroys the records after five years?  All this information is also collected by phone companies and Internet companies for commercial uses.   You want to pay them to hold the info for five years because you don't trust NSA as they use their info for private gains?  


Did he expose that we spy on foreign dignitaries?   You're shocked?   If you want him to be a hero, he has to have evidence that NSA spied on some citizen that they shouldn't have been spying on.  In the meantime, he's written a letter to Brazil offering to help them investigate U.S. spying.  He also blabbed to China.


He's a traitor.  He's also a right-wing nut who loved the spying under Bush.   You can't have it  both ways and if you whistle you have to have something to whistle about.  

jmac
jmac

@tom.litton He didn't just speak out against government.   He didn't take one piece of info and show how we sinned.  He DUMPED massive government info and then fled to China and told them about it.  Then he wrote to Brazil offering to help them investigate the US spying on them.  You deserve to have your computer hacked by China if you think he's not a traitor.   They were just caught again last week hacking another U.S. newspaper.  

WillSync
WillSync

@jmac@ShaneD.McCarty "Fifteen judges have ruled the opposite."  So.        15 bitches is more like it. Why dont we just call them what they are? hired priests...so 15 you say...that's impressive.  One guy referred to the actual law ya know that thing with the amendments...ya know...how may signed that one? So he's a rat is he?  Ran away to Hong Kong. Such a little bitch move right! Cuz he hates our freedom right? yup...and for all money and to be famous...sure makes perfect sense to a child like magical understanding of the world. Or...?  He understood clearly that every day they are immorally and illegally violating the most BASIC rights of any one they feel like. It's all legal  right? cuz 15 priests said that's the new rule? I dont think so. Who does the CIA answer to? The NSA answers to who?  Very few...power and secrecy what could possibly go wrong? I'm a working class American and Ed is on my list of people who rock.

dbu
dbu

@PandemicRue Don't forget Monsanto trying to poison our food supply and cause the extinction of the human race :)

MalcolmMacLeod
MalcolmMacLeod

@jmac @alansky : Go to hell. You are part and parcel of what's wrong

with this "country".  Your nation is sailing onto the rocks, and all that

you're doing is praying. God speed you on your way.  

alansky
alansky

@jmac What he exposed is a consistent pattern of unconstitutional activity on the part of the US gov't. Calling Edward Snowden a "traitor" is just about the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.

tom.litton
tom.litton

@jmac@alanskyWhether it's ok that the government collects the information is a fair debate to have.  However, that debate wouldn't be happening and couldn't have happened if someone didn't expose the program first.


If the government does not have to seek consent before engaging in questionable activities, then someone will eventually find a way to use that to abuse the power for their own ends.

RonnyBryson
RonnyBryson

@jmac @tom.litton And, if China were to have the same technology, they wouldn't get caught as often either. When the USA gets caught, it says " oh, but johnny is doing it too" then complains about johnny.

At least the Chinese are concentrating on technology, the US is after every damn thing.

tom.litton
tom.litton

@jmac@tom.littonDoes it matter?  Just because he did something wrong, doesn't mean the government isn't.  


It doesn't mean the government isn't making these decisions in private, and denying it's citizens any opportunity to object or consent to it. 


It doesn't mean a future president won't abuse these new powers.  In my opinion, it makes it inevitable.   There isn't anyone willing and able to stop him/her.

jmac
jmac

@dbu @jmac @alansky Judge Leon should have accepted a decent case if he wanted to make a case.   

jmac
jmac

@alansky @jmac Saying it's unconstitutional doesn't make it so.   No one died and appointed you to the FISA court.   

RonnyBryson
RonnyBryson

@jmac @tom.litton @alansky Yeah they new about it and ignored it, do you think that qualifies them to have more information to ignore. wouldn't it be better if they learned to use the skills and tools they have first before giving them more that they can't use properly.

dbu
dbu

@jmac @tom.litton @alansky so you're admitting that we knew all about it, even though we didn't have such pervasive surveillance?  So then breaking the constitution isn't necessary to know? oh, imagine that...

tom.litton
tom.litton

@jmac@tom.litton@alanskyI'm not saying the government shouldn't track phone calls.  


I'm saying it needs to be debated and that can't happen if it's secret.



jmac
jmac

@tom.litton @jmac @alansky  I'm not willing to close my eyes to al Qaeda cells in the US because you're freaked out that NSA tracks our phone calls.   It was all too easy for those SAudi's to take flying lessons in  Florida.    We knew about the flying lessons.   We knew!   Next time I want us to do more than know about it and ignore it.  

tom.litton
tom.litton

@jmac@tom.litton@alansky 

First it isn't overseas phone patterns that is concerning.  It's the tracking of all american phone calls, video games, internet searches, etc. 

You may not question it, but the fact that we do makes it, by definition, questionable. 

Heck there was a federal judge that found it unconstitutional.  Even if it ultimately stands up in the supreme court, that too makes it questionable.

Do you really believe there are more then an insignificant number of people that are questioning the need and/or constitutionality of this?

jmac
jmac

@tom.litton @jmac @alansky I don't see anything questionable about tracking overseas phone patterns and looking at ones that raise a flag.   You cannot weight the damage he has done with the information he has shown, especially after he flew to China and had an interview with a Chinese newspaper and gave them information.


They hack us continuously.  

jmac
jmac

@tom.litton @jmac No, tom, it's suppose to be up to our Representatives.   We're a Republic, not a Democracy.  

jmac
jmac

@dbu @jmac @tom.litton Did you trust Bush jr, dbu?   Did you?   Were you marching against his invasion of Iraq?   If not, you have no credibility on trusting government.   

tom.litton
tom.litton

@jmac@tom.littonyes, that's how this system is suppose to work.


That isn't how democracy is suppose to work.  It's suppose to be up to the people. 

dbu
dbu

@jmac @tom.litton it's a freaking spy program... that needs to read the freaking constitution.  Judge Leon said it's unconstitutional and that the appeals are likely to agree with him.  It's not me declaring it as such.. it's the courts!  Read the news man!


I wil NEVER IN A BILLION YEARS "just trust" your beloved big brother government organization when they have been shown to lie to me over and over again, felony perjury even, and still have their jobs, let alone no prosecutor will go near them...

jmac
jmac

@tom.litton @jmac It's a freaking spy program.  You're not going to know the specifics.  It's up to the FISA court and the few Senators if have the info to make the decision.   It's not up to Joe Doe and it shouldn't be.  


SNowden made the president stronger on these issues - that's what everyone is missing.  Obama now decides which foreign leaders we look at.  Snowden also made it harder for us to ever know anything about NSA because they're going to tighten their security (thank goodness).  You have to trust the FICA court and those Senators who know the info.   THat's how the systems suppose to work.  

jmac
jmac

@tom.litton @jmac Right, when China released it.  He gave them specifics of our spying.   

tom.litton
tom.litton

@jmac@tom.littonSorry i assumed you were talking about the chinese government.  


Yes, he did release information to the press (including the Chinese press).  But i don't see anything that was released to China that wasn't also released to the world. 

jmac
jmac

@tom.litton @jmac On June 12th he was interviewed by the South China Morning Post and gave specifics.   If China was lying about the interview and the info, Snowden (nor the Guardian or Greenwald) ever denied it, so I assume the reporting was true.