Interactive: The 39 Democrats Who Voted With the GOP on Obamacare

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The House of Representatives approved the “Keep Your Health Plan Act” Friday, which would allow health care insurers to continue to sell plans that don’t meet the Affordable Care Act’s “essential health benefits” standard next year. The bill, introduced by Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.), received the support of 39 Democrats as well as all but four Republicans.

The vote was the first congressional referendum on the Obamacare rollout, as opposed to the Affordable Care Act itself, which was the main cause of division during the 16-day partial government shutdown. The number of dissenting Democrats would likely have been higher had President Obama not announced, as he did on Thursday, a fix that would allow insurers to offer cancelled health care plans back to their customers so long as they add a notification of other options under the new federal marketplace. The President had been under growing pressure after he had explicitly and repeatedly told Americans that they could keep their old plan if they liked it.

Of the 39 Democrats who broke with the White House to support the bill, 16 are freshman and 27 won their 2012 election with less than 55 percent of the vote, according to TIME’s analysis. By contrast, only 8 of the 153 Democrats voting against the bill had such close races last time around.

But Democrats who supported Upton’s plan pushed back on the suggestion that their vote revealed a fraying relationship between the legislative and executive branches.

“I don’t think he should see it as a growing rift between the two, but rather as a need to call everybody together to fix the problem,” said Rep. Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.). “And that includes Republicans who are intent on fixing the problem and not gutting the entire act.”

Upton’s law has little chance of success in the Senate, where Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) and others have offered alternative bills. Insurers are complaining about all options, which provide little time to adequately inform customers before the new year and could lead to higher premiums. But after insurance companies cancelled health care plans to comply with Obamacare, the President felt he had to move. Earlier this week, Obama earned a record low 39% approval rating in a Quinnipiac University survey, with a majority of those polls believing the president untrustworthy.

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Lojza
Lojza

I think all the denocrats voting for this garbage Ins, should be forced to use it them self as they forcing the public.   It seams, like the president and the democrats, are more like a dictators. We need to stop the. I am not a republican Lpjza

drudown
drudown

I think a more pertinent inquiry is, well, what super-PAC funds these democrats received from special interest groups? Or was the "fact" they voted "against the People's interests" AT ALL surprising as LONG as the Despotic Filibuster remains?

Different week, just the same.

Just to summarize…the 24/7 (once mighty) media is completely transfixed like the GOP lap dog it is about each news-less turn of the ACA "roll out" such that- by doing so, now any 'favorable' or 'less flattering' "news development" is allegedly 'news', as if, in the end, ANY voter should be, what, (enter Ron Burgundy voice) "shocked, offended and too hurt" to learn that….after ALL the NEGATIVE media coverage, hateful/judgmental rhetoric, deliberately deceptive commercial speech and SCARE TACTICS by the GOP and lobbyist driven agenda (with a conspicuous series of admissions showing an overt conspiracy to "thwart" or "obstruct" the ACA)…he/she wouldn't expect the lower than possible enrollment?

the incidental "costs" or "inconvenience" of these people that allegedly "desperately" want to keep their NON-CONFORMING policies is SUBSTANTIALLY OUTWEIGHED by the long-term FISCAL BENEFIT THE ACA confers to the People and Nation as a whole. Sorry, the needs of the whole outweigh the alleged inconvenience to the few, i.e., particularly insofar that their purported self-perceived plight is most often wholly fabricated or- at a minimum- their ACTUAL "damages" completely unclear at this point because the ACA has not even been implemented yet.

“There are times when even justice brings harm with it.” - Sophocles

Incredibly, the "paid for" Media conspicuously omits ANY reference that the entire GOP members of Congress and, sadly, many GOP elated officials in the Several States are hell-bent on thwarting the implementation of the ACA, as if, in there end, such refusal to Faithfully Execute the Supreme Law of the Land does not, under the totality of the circumstances, exacerbate the purported "problems" cited as a pretext to (what else) "abolish" what has yet to even be put into its streamlined functioning. It can't be both.

Sorry, one cannot credibly “cite the low enrollment numbers” without dispassionately holding this smear campaign face to face, much less cite the alleged “rise in Health Care costs” without also calculating the "troubling" number of the ACTUAL, OUT-OF-POCKET COSTS to United States TAXPAYERS- not just to date, but ongoing- that have proximately resulted from GOP officials refusing to FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE LAW OF THE LAND.

What, the ACA passing through THREE SEPARATE branches of our government is not DULY ENACTED FEDERAL LAW? Or perhaps a SINGLE member of the Congress or GOP would care to cite the SPECIFIC case law that holds "partisan differences" or “allegiance to the base” or “will of the donors” trumps the Supremacy Clause?

Surely no elected leader in the GOP Congress (i.e., particularly if he/she is a member of the bar) can dispute that President Obama’s refusal to honor your Unconstitutional Legislative Veto request to "defund" the ACA is not, in fact, unlawful in itself by virtue of existing case law? Or should members of the bar serving the PEOPLE in Congress that happen to be GOP just "forget" our rule of law PRECLUDES such State Action [see, e.g., INS v Chadha (1982) 462 U.S. 919]?

Above all, it is beyond disingenuous to have the "paid for" media dispense (literally) negative story after story on the purported (enter dramatic Halloween screech) "horrors" of the ACA website and/or implementation and/or wholly unfounded "hidden costs" or "tax increases" and then, what, "cite" the "low enrollment numbers", as if, in the end, there is not a causal link between the aforementioned, pre-meditated effort by the GOP, its lobbyist regime and "paid for" media to discredit the ACA before it is even up and running and "lower than expected" enrollment numbers?

Try to be serious.

"The politician is condemned when the lawbreaker is acquitted." - Publilius Syrus (1st Cen. B.C.)

How can ANYONE even whisper "abolishing" the ACA without approximating the fiscal cost of “repealing” or "defunding" Obamacare- that is, approximate the ACTUAL, out-of-pocket cost including, but not limited to (1) the rising, unsustainable costs of Health Care under the prior format to be reinstated [i.e., with ZERO guarantees whatsoever they won’t be HIGHER]; (2) the direct and indirect costs to date of passing Obamacare and implementation [i.e., what, do you think the People don’t absorb the ACTUAL costs to date if the GOP gets to “repeal” or “undo” Obamacare?] and (3) then add, of course, the direct and indirect costs of "changing back to the old laws."

HELLO….somebody in DC (and/or good with a calculator at the CBO)…(enter McCain campaign voice) "why not do math across state lines, why not?" run these projected numbers for the People immediately. That way, the "paid for" 'expert witnesses' with a financial bias on TV would have to reconcile the self-evident imprudence of the "dropping the ACA" nonsensical dream that would just COST the TAXPAYERS PROHIBITIVELY and focus on the immediate INJURY of the GOP Congress' unlawful rendition of "jury nullification"…dispassionately.

"Opportunity makes a thief." - Francis Bacon 

I dissent.

11B_INF_Retired
11B_INF_Retired

The rats are leaving the sinking Obamacare ship folks......  Biggest Tax Scam ever pulled on the American people.

formerlyjames
formerlyjames

The insurance industry held American health care by the throat before the ACA, and they still do now.  They couldn't be more pleased with this misunderstanding of holding their most useless policies, but even given the  backtrack, administrative costs of reinstating the policies cut too much into their exorbitant profits and so they are reluctant.  To extend the backtrack to people who did not hold the useless coverage would completely gut the ACA.  The insurance industry backed by the extremists TParty couldn't be more pleased.  It's a fail now, time to start over.  Maybe America will understand better second time around. 

jmac
jmac

The National Reviews Rick Lowry:  The Upton bill won't become law, but through realizing it's political power and taking it up quickly, House Republicans had a good week in the fight against Obamacare.  They reinforced that they are the party opposed to the cancellations;   they pushed the president into action,   IF IT WORKE UNDERMINES THE EXCHANGES AND IF IT DOESN'T  SHOWS YET AGAIN HE ISN'T KEEPING HIS PROMISE. 

The GOP - one sick party.  They need a doctor.  


Openminded1
Openminded1

Obama the liar, losing ground with his own party. This lame duck will go down in History for what he is a liar , racist, phony who accomplished nothing but run his mouth and protect his religious friends the muslims.

UnniN
UnniN

Republicans act as though O -- bama care

Is a bad, unaffordable  O -- bama 'scare'

This must be deplored.

What we cannot afford

Are the errors online and the glitches out there.

JackHudson
JackHudson

Don't forget the other big lie "you can keep your doctor"

Don't believe me, go ask your own doctor, any doctor for that matter. They will tell you themselves that was a joke to start . 

More garbage spoon fed to the ignorant masses. Besides, where are we supposed to get all these doctors?


Now if it makes you feel better, I would be for a single payer system. But you would have to make the payment schedule for doctors reasonable. Ram what your going to pay them down their throat, you lose more doctors.

How do we pay for all this since there is a cost? Stop with all the foreign wars, military industrial complex aka corporate welfare.



Penswoman
Penswoman

Most people effected by this* will be better off with new 'Obamacare' health care plans that have better benefits, including preventive care.   They should not renew these bad policies, opting to wait for the health care insurance exchanges to be fixed or to shop for plans in person, with a 'navigator.'


*Only about five percent of the insured are effected. 

CharlesCundiff1
CharlesCundiff1

Obamacare was designed to weaken America, like so many other Obama programs are designed to do.

Obama is both Communist, and a Muslim.  He along with his older Brother, Olongo, traveled to Pakistan, on Indonesian Passports, in August of 1981, to join the Terrorist Muslim Brotherhood.

Olongo is today a top Leader in the Terrorist Muslim Brotherhood, which supports many of the Muslim Terrorist groups, with Money and Arms.  As of October 28, 2013 the Terrorist Muslim Brotherhood was supporting Al-Qaeda, Hamas, the Taliban, and Al-Shabaab, and Hezbollah. 

barneydidit
barneydidit

@11B_INF_Retired No...that would be the "we'll lower your taxes and revenues will INCREASE" scam perpetuated by Ronald Reagan, and believed to this day by Conservatives everywhere. 

11B_INF_Retired
11B_INF_Retired

@formerlyjames 

Oh yeah....riiiiiight! Never mind that the website was flaw in the first place and was constructed by a foreign (Canadian) company. Never mind that stupid politicians pass a healthcare system without reading it first. Never mind that Supreme Court said that the stupid penalty was really a TAX. Never mind that Obama lied that we can keep our present Doctors and Healthcare insurance when it turned out you can't. Never mind that half  the  c r a p  on the Obamacare is a water down one that cost almost twice as much.   Never mind you have a closed mind in order to stay a stupid political party hack too formelyjames! 

Openminded1
Openminded1

@jmac They have a few doctors in congress, and one who says hes a doctor.

RubyAndrews-Lester
RubyAndrews-Lester

@Openminded1 Back on that huh? What have you gained lately except to "run your mouth. If you're not a part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Dude_who_cares
Dude_who_cares

@JackHudson So you would rather your employer choose for you since that is the current situation? I've been with the same company for 13 years and changed insurance 4 times, and changed doctors each time. I don't have  choice now. And I won't have a choice under the ACA

barneydidit
barneydidit

@JackHudson It's a little bit of a catch 22 though Jack. I have 3 doctors in my family, and they all agree (and yes, I realize that's not much of a sample size) that they would be happy to receive less in terms of income, if they had less paperwork to do, and weren't filling their days with procedures that were pointless, but they were doing them anyway because that's how they get paid as long as insurance is in the picture. 

aztecian
aztecian

@Penswoman yes...it is a negligible number.  they will need to eventually switch over. 

Openminded1
Openminded1

@CharlesCundiff1 He is without a doubt a muslim, communist I am not so sure on that one. Muslim for sure, only the libs think he is not.

aztecian
aztecian

@CharlesCundiff1 oh please you knucklehead, can you come up with anything new.  you just spew lies and hate, nothing cognitive between you racist ears.

fhmadvocat
fhmadvocat

@11B_INF_Retired @formerlyjames With all due respect, Obama did not "lie", however, he promised something over which he had no control.  He was really naïve and clearly did not understand how insurance operates.  I have to wonder is he understands how insurance operates for the individual market. 

The truth is the Affordable Care Act is a terribly written bill and needs to be reformed or replaced with something better.  However, despite how terrible the bill was, at least we are addressing the rising costs of medicine in this country.  The Republicans have simply buried their heads in the sand and pretended that everything was fine.  However, considering that cost of healthcare is the biggest threat to our slow growing economy it is time that all politicians take this seriously.

aztecian
aztecian

@Openminded1 @jmac you don't need doctors in congress.  you need to get rid of the obstructionist teabaggers and wingers.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@RubyAndrews-Lester @Openminded1 You live in the past lady, move on become an american, not just a black american. The whites put our black president in office, does not sound to racist too me. Without the white vote the black man would not be in that oval office. Their is not enough blacks to have pulled that off,even if every black over the of 18 was able to vote, and we know a lot of black men over the age of 18 are convicted felons and can not vote.

Diecash1
Diecash1

@Openminded1 @CharlesCundiff1He is without a doubt a muslim

How is it possible you continue to spew this idiocy yet you have absolutely no facts to back it up?  You consider yourself "openminded" but that's merely another bit of irony.

Either support your position with evidence or shut your pie hole.

barneydidit
barneydidit

@fhmadvocat @11B_INF_Retired @formerlyjames I like your post, but I'm not sure Obama "promised" something over which he had no control- it just sounded that way due to his poor choice of words. My guess is that he knew that insurance companies were going to be free to cancel and/or modify insurance policies across the board, just like they always have been able to do, he was simply trying to make the point that it won't be the "big government' telling you you have to drop your policy and go to a "big government takeover" healthcare system. 

Openminded1
Openminded1

@aztecian @Openminded1 @barneydidit I never disputed or mentioned where he was born little black person, just that he is a muslim. That is not fear mongering either, that is just stating he is a liar and not to be trusted. What are you 14 years old? Grow up and stop putting words in peoples mouths. Chill out, you still get to have the black man in office for another 2.5 years or so. 

aztecian
aztecian

@Openminded1 @barneydidit yeah...why don't you go back talking about his birth certificate.  you have nothing but lies and fear mongering spewing from that pie hole.

Diecash1
Diecash1

@Openminded1 @Diecash1 @CharlesCundiff1 You are absolutely one of the dumbest trolls in the Swamp.  I don't care if everyone that Obama has ever known is a Muslim, it doesn't mean that he's a Muslim.  For someone that claims to be a former cop, you should have some clue as to precisely what constitutes evidence and obviously you don't.

When you have some actual proof to substantiate your ridiculous assertion, post it.  Until then, p!ss off, dumba$$.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@Diecash1 @Openminded1 @CharlesCundiff1 listen moron lib, first do your own research , the family bio on Obama is an open and documented. the staffers are also know to the media and it is documented. micheles mentor ms jarret is a known and admits to be a muslim as are the 6 other white house staff members referred to. It will not take much for you to check on. I already did. so have many others. His brother malik is a well known member of the MB in kenya again well documented. and by the way who are you to tell me to shut up/ You are just another lib on here with no say so like the other gang of libs and everyone else on here. Research moron.

Openminded1
Openminded1

Ps go back and read I did not say he was a communist, that was the guy posting before me. I said i doubted he was a commie. You have a problem with reading and understanding what you read. slow down read and comprehend first before you answer dummy.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@fhmadvocat @Openminded1 You must be a little teenager, or just plain moron. Read dummy, not only was his dead beat dad a Muslim, so was his step dad, his brothers,aunts,uncles,cousins and 6 staff members at the white house to include is wife's mentor. His white mom married two muslims dummy his dad and step dad, and this is really where you are stupid, not all muslims moron are black, you can be white, Asian, hispanic, any color dumbo. Its a religion not a race. And I do not wonder why anything, I have over 1000 likes on here some body takes me serious. You are one silly liberal. By the way goofy I am not a GOP member ,or tea drinker.

fhmadvocat
fhmadvocat

@Openminded1 Ha, Ha, and you wonder why people don't take you seriously!  So Obama's father was a Muslim, so what?  What evidence that he ever attended a Mosque?  As far as his father, you mean the guy Obama saw once, at the age of 10 and it was the only time he had seen his father since he was a baby?  That must explain the fact that Obama was raised by his grandparents, who happen to be White.  Obama's mother was non-religious and he was really raised as an agnostic.

And please don't tell me about his family!  After all, Hitler had Jews in his family, did that make Hitler Jewish?  Using your logic, the Holocaust was merely a family spat!

I love how you claim Obama is a Communist!.  Heck, Communism is more popular (10% approval) than the Republican Congress (9%).  If Obama is a Communist, he is doing a terrible job.  Considering that the Dow Jones has more than doubled during his Presidency, and the deficit for the following year is projected to be half ($680 billion) of what it was the last time George W. Bush was in office (fiscal year 2009 -$1.4 trillion) the economy seems to do better with Communists in the White House (i.e. Bill Clinton) than with Capitalists (the Bushes).

Openminded1
Openminded1

@RubyAndrews-Lester @Openminded1 You do not want to believe I am black does not mean I am not. You are just use to all blacks defending blackness because no matter if a black is seen killing someone on tape, you will deny deny and say it was rigged. race card bs. Get real sista you know the truth blacks are racist far more then whites in 2013. We have a black President because of white people dummy.

RubyAndrews-Lester
RubyAndrews-Lester

@Openminded1 I want to know how you know that? Did you know him before, do you know his address? You are a shameful  person and no good will come to you.. Be careful. I don't think that you are trustworthy. And you? Were you there? You speculate, and what ever you say about The President, back at you.  You also speak violently, and you're not black, you have a lot of blackness in your heart, you're speaking as if you're Satan's spawn... Projection...



Openminded1
Openminded1

@tkulaga @Openminded1 True, mitt had a lot of mormon money backing him too. But mormons are not known for murder world wide. the are know as cult like, and very bias people, but Muslims are not people you can trust. You never know what you get with a muslim. Fanatics over the top with their hatred for americans and jews.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@aztecian @Openminded1 you forget dummy I am black, and not all muslims are black idiot, muslim is a religion not a race. and the difference is he has lied to the American people once again. by the way muslims are known for their fanatical ways and violence. He is a president that can not be trusted. and he is a Mulsim . not past tense. the muslim brotherhood funded some of his election. That I have areal problem with.

aztecian
aztecian

@Openminded1 you just proved yourself to be racist and bigot you idiot.  So what if he was muslim?  what difference would it make? 

Openminded1
Openminded1

Ps his mom married two muslims dummy his dad and step dad.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@aztecian @Openminded1 @CharlesCundiff1 His whole family. is, it is documented . What makes you think stupid if his family is and 6 white house staffers to include his wifes mentor are all muslims, why moron would you find that a reach? You dems just deny deny. If your mom and dad are jews, and your aunts and unlcles are jews, and your cousins are jews, and your brothers are jews, what are the chances you are a jew dummy.He is not going to admit it moron, if he had he would not be in the Oval office now. You think Ron Ford in canada would be mayor now if the people new what they know now. You are a real naive nut case.