Morning Must Reads: November 14

In the news: congressional budget talks; Euro-Zone recovery; Hill Dems' ACA rebellion; 50 years after JFK's death

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

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fitty_three
fitty_three

Was paulejb poffing again?

Just axing.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@Sue_N 

Amazing ain't it? Did they not learn anything from the shut down?

curt3rd
curt3rd

@Sue_N Yeah, because god forbid someone in their 60's doesnt have prenatal healthcare coverage.  That is what you call a substandard plan, right?

MistressMetalMe
MistressMetalMe

@La_Randy OT, but I was once driving through a rural area with someone who grew up in suburbia. He was astonished that so many of the graveyards were near churches and couldn't conceive of why anyone would do that.  "It just seems wrong." 

collioure
collioure

@La_Randy  

No problem.

Privatized parks often work better than public ones.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@La_Randy There really is nothing in this country we won't sell, is there?

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@La_Randy 

So could I buy a share of Lincoln?

Sue_N
Sue_N

@MrObvious @Sue_N I had such hope for them after the shutdown. They hung together beautifully! But now they've reverted to (gutless) form.

The infuriating thing is that by the midterms, which are still almost a full year away, neither the website nor policy cancellations will be an issue.

Stupid Democrats.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@curt3rd @Sue_N If it does not meet the minimum federal standards, then, yes, it is a substandard plan.

You do realize that they don't design individual plans for every single individual, right? Do you get that? Or is it just easier for you to parrot rightwing talking points than to actually understand how insurance works?

MementoMori
MementoMori

@curt3rd @Sue_N  Uhmmm, do you know how insurance works? You're not just covered for the stuff you're going to get.

Unless you don't think prostate cancer should be covered by anyone under 40 and/or a woman?

fitty_three
fitty_three

MrObvious

Hope he was more entertaining than openminded; - )

MrObvious
MrObvious

@Sue_N @MrObvious 

I don't understand why they keep being fearful over Obamacare? Obama won twice and it was litigated again through the shut down. It's not the thing on most peoples minds. Sure, the snafus sucks but people want healthcare insurance and they clearly thought that the shut down over Obamacare was wrong on every single level.

The bleaters will always bleat. They'll hate what they get, love it but still hate it. See old folks and Medicare. They want government to stay away from it.

And now these bluedog fools are once more making dems look like a bunch of wimps.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@collioure @Sue_N @roknsteve @MrObvious

This isn't abut Republicans.  It is all about Democrats

You don't play no partisan games, no sir.

Now it's going to be a lot more than 5%.  

Not really. If the insurance companies touch the group insurance market they'll lose billions.

It's easy to play politics over junk insurances - but screwing over their bread and butters comes with consequences.

Stick to France. You barely know that and that's about the best you can do.

collioure
collioure

@Sue_N @collioure @roknsteve @MrObvious  

This isn't abut Republicans.  It is all about Democrats because they put this in motion and because some of them are running for their lives today.

Now it's going to be a lot more than 5%.  

Secondly, there are going to be a lot of people angered because they know they were lied to about keeping their insurance/doctor.

Thirdly, many will be miffed because their rates will rise to cover the unhealthy. when they were told just the opposite would happen.

If this gets up and runs well, I'll be the first to salute Obama.  However, it's not happening yet and it's in rough seas because it was oversold

WITH LIES !!!!!!

Sue_N
Sue_N

@collioure @roknsteve @MrObvious @Sue_N The insurance policy cancellation thing is a totally manufactured issue. The problem affects less than 5 percent of the population, and most of those people will be able to find better policies through the exchanges. It's overreaction and laziness on the part of the media and cowardice on the part of the Dems.

It is a terrible idea to let insurance companies continue to sell crap policies, and, frankly, it is telling that the Republican party and wingers like you are in favor of insurance companies being allowed to sell policies that cover nothing.

It is also laughable that Republicans and wingers like you now express such concern about people losing insurance. Where was all this concern before the ACA was passed, when insurance companies were dropping people left and right for the sin of getting sick, when people were getting denied coverage on a regular basis because of pre-existing conditions, or when people were declaring bankruptcy because they or a loved one got sick and insurance didn't cover it?

The GOP doesn't care about that miniscule sliver of the American population. You don't care. You've got yours, so eff them. You just see another club with which to bash Obama.

Winger.

collioure
collioure

@roknsteve @collioure @MrObvious @Sue_N  

I am not going to question your competence, but you must live in an alternate universe not to understand that Democrats today are under some pressure because of all these insurance policy cancellations and that they are fearful of losing their seats next November.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@collioure @MrObvious @Sue_N

It was just three years ago.

My, you have a short memory.


3 years ago? Did you fall on your head or something because it is known to be bad for you.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@collioure @MrObvious @Sue_N 

The dems got a shellacking in the shut down debacle?

Jesus, for a 'winger you're pretty dense. There's about no poll numbers that support that unless you pull another uninformed faith based opinion out of your @ss.

That 'unless' is of course rhetorical. France deserve you.

paulejb
paulejb

@Sue_N @paulejb @curt3rd 

And what if our lesbian heroine does not wish to pay for erectile dysfunction treatments. Shouldn't she have the right to choose?

Sue_N
Sue_N

@paulejb @curt3rd @Sue_N I hate to break it to you two lovebirds, but if a lesbian has an insurance policy that covers erectile dysfunction treatments, then she is paying for it. Just as my policy pays for prostate cancer treatments.

Seriously, are y'all really this stupid, or do you just play imbeciles on the intertoobz?

PerryWhite1
PerryWhite1

@Sue_N @MementoMori @curt3rd I want my tax money back for the Iraq War! I didn't want us to go there! I should only have to pay taxes for things I want or use!


Oh, wait, Bush didn't pay for Iraq anyway. Never mind.

MementoMori
MementoMori

@curt3rd @Sue_N 

And that's why curt doesn't drive a car. Because the government forces him to buy car insurance to do so.

curt3rd
curt3rd

@Sue_N @curt3rd I understand that I should have a choice in what I choose the buy.  Not be forced by the govt.  You do understand how that should work, dont you?

MrObvious
MrObvious

@fitty_three 

Don't know; it was done and over before he had a chance on elaborating on the totalitarian act of democratically snuffing his nonsense.

It was over quicker then the wind ripping leaf's off a tree.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@collioure @MrObvious @MementoMori @La_Randy

Once again private enterprise will do both better. 

They don t hire patronage employees to maintain the parks.


But you can't offer us an informed opinion since you can't even be bothered reading the stuff that supposedly support your contention (or not).


collioure
collioure

@NP042 @collioure @MrObvious @MementoMori @La_Randy  

Gimme a break, Bozo

The whole thing was run out of HHS and contracted out to one of Michelle's friends despite being unqualified for the job.

In the future please try to keep your posts from Dumboville to a minimum.

Thank you.

NP042
NP042

@collioure @MrObvious @MementoMori @La_Randy 

Wait, I think we're all missing something here. Colli basically just proved his own point incorrect.


Claim A) Private is always better than government

Example A) The healthcare website

However, the healthcare website was contracted out to private firms by the government,  ergo the website was made by private companies.  But he says the website is a failure, which was built by private companies, which are always better.


Does anyone else see the contradiction?


MrObvious
MrObvious

@collioure @MrObvious @MementoMori @La_Randy

True, developing is website is easier than running a park 24/24.

You're comparing developing software for x amount of people with running a park of any size

You ain't right in your head if you do.

It's not a matter of 'easy'. It's a matter of subjects.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@fitty_three @MrObvious 

I find it funny that he just go to his regular suspects, take a link and think it's all good based on faith.

But he can't even be bothered to research them. Not that he wouldn't agree with it anyways.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@MrObvious

Data, facts, and critical thinking are all still on collioure's 'to do' list.

He just hasn't gotten that far down yet.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@collioure @MrObvious @MementoMori @La_Randy

I have faith in privatization of numerous govt services.  Often provide better services at lower cost. 

I don't 'have faith'. I find out and offer a informed opinion. You can't even be bothered to link something you know to be accurate.

That's 'faith' and useless.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@collioure @MementoMori @La_Randy 

So you link something that you haven't looked at as a counter argument?

No thank you,

That's blind faith and not a very good counter argument if you don't know what it is even.