Morning Must Reads: November 12

In the news: Haiyan; 50,000 have enrolled in private insurance plans through the ObamaCare website; how immigration reform failed; the media's 2016 presidential fantasies; the dirty cost of Obama's green power push

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  • How Immigration Reform Died—Part 1 [Hill]
  • “Fewer than 50,000 people had successfully navigated the troubled federal health-care website and enrolled in private insurance plans as of last week…a fraction of the Obama administration’s target of 500,000 enrollees for October.” [WSJ]
  • White House to nominate Tim Massad as chairman of CFTC [FT]
  • The Secret, Dirty Cost of Obama’s Green Power Push [AP]
  • The Republican Party Isn’t Really the Anti-Science Party [Atlantic]
  • The Media’s 2016 Presidential Fantasies [Slate]
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collioure
collioure

Kirsten Powers nailed the Obama administration for lying about plans being substandard. She says they need to fess up to the fact that this is really happening because they need responsible people to subsidize other people.

She also said that the website is the least of their problems: “They have bigger problems such as the fact nobody believes anything they say anymore…”

Transcript of Kirsten’s response:

My blood pressure goes up every time they say that they’re protecting us from substandard health insurance plans because there is nothing to support what they’re saying. I have talked to about how I am losing my health insurance. If i want to keep the same health insurance, it’s going to cost twice as much. There’s nothing substandard about my plan. All of the things they say that are not in my plan are in my plan. All of the things they have listed — there’s no explanation for doubling my premiums other than the fact that it’s subsidizing other people. They need to be honest about that, that’s the reason they don’t want to change it. It’s because they’re basically taking the people who are responsible enough to get health insurance in the individual market and asking them to subsidize other people. So they’re taking young healthy people and asking them to subsidize other people. I don’t think that’s going to last, frankly, I think they’re trying to buy time until they reach this next deadline and I don’t think they’re going to reach it. When they don’t reach it, I think there is going to be an absolute — you have now not just senators who are up for re-election calling, you know, for this to be fixed, so I they’re going — they’re going to have to respond to that.

But they have bigger problems than that. They have bigger problems than fixing the website. They have bigger problems such as the fact nobody believes anything they say anymore of the and even the idea that they think that 50-year-olds should have maternity care is very concerning to me. You know, people are being forced to pay for things that they will not use. It is not for them to tell people I don’t need to be told I have mental health coverage. If I wanted it, I would have gotten it. I think people are getting a little fed up, even democrats, with this stuff.

http://therightscoop.com/boom-kirsten-powers-obama-admin-has-bigger-problems-than-website-people-dont-believe-what-they-say-anymore/ 

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

No one (government) gives away $500 million without getting something in return.

Is this guy for real?

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

This has been my state's experience with public funded stadiums. Pardon me if I don't see the economic benefits

http://paindependent.com/2010/12/1-billion-and-counting-for-states-taxpayer-funded-stadiums-2/

Whether professional sports corporations could survive without subsidies for their playing fields, courts, rinks and diamonds is a legitimate question for the taxpayers providing those subsidies

Between 1999 and 2009, state taxpayers in Pennsylvania coughed up more than $500 million for sports performance arenas, while county and municipal taxpayers – who also pay the state taxes – were saddled with a similar amount for those facilities in their regions.

More than $1 billion in taxes went into the stadiums, arenas and other facilities built in Pennsylvania during the administrations of Governors Tom Ridge (R) and Ed Rendell (D). But taxpayers will actually pay more because much of the tax financing for both professional sports teams and community facilities came in the form of bond issues of between 20 and 30 years in duration.

Every stadium in this image received some funding from state or local taxpayers in Pennsylvania.

A bond issue, like a home mortgage, is spread out over two or three decades and the homebuyer, in this case the taxpayer, winds up paying back 2.5 to three times the amount of money originally borrowed.

Taxpayers may eventually pay as much as $1.5 billion for the existing plethora of athletic fields.

Since March of 1999, the state has released 56 separate payments around the commonwealth for stadiums and athletic facilities, totaling $504.1 million. Some of the payments have been for local high school stadiums and fields. Those payments are over and above funding provided through local school property taxes.

Of the 56 payments, 32 of them went to major league professional sports franchises or minor league affiliates.

The most prestigious of the facilities are those that house the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Philadelphia Eagles of the National Football League and the Philadelphia Phillies and Pittsburgh Pirates of Major League Baseball.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

Mr Independent. Arguing for corporate giveaways while complaining about fiscal deficits. Hypocrisy and delusion at its finest.

NP042
NP042

@collioure So if the plan meets all of the guidelines set out by the law, then why isn't the anger directed at the insurance company that cancelled the plan?

Seriously, does she even understand how insurance works?  "There's no explanation for doubling my premiums other than the fact that it's subsidizing other people."  No sh!t, that's how insurance works.  

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure 

If your plan has everything that's listed in the law....why is your plan being cancelled?  'Cause there's no way it's because the federal government said "your plan is too cheap"

outsider
outsider

@forgottenlord  

I hope that doesn't allow the Conservatives to keep power - even if it's a good thing. 

Or if they keep power, at least get rid of Harper. I'm tired of seeing the guy. And when he gets so imperious that he won't answers the reporters questions, it's time for him to go. 

Sue_N
Sue_N

@DonQuixotic We spent how much in Iraq? And are spending how much in Afghanistan?

MrObvious
MrObvious

@nflfoghorn 

Tells you something about a so called representative of our law enforcement that does something like that.

That's a guy I would never trust in giving out parking tickets even.

collioure
collioure

@mantisdragon91 

Once again, Nursery School, you only have half a loaf.

You are missing all the tax revenues that flow to government because of these franchises. 

If you don't take care of the Eagles, I'm sure Chris Christie over in NJ would love to have them.

ARTRaveler
ARTRaveler

@mantisdragon91 I went to a philatelic show in Arlington Texas about the time they finished the new Cowboy stadium.  It was sold to the city as re-invigorating the area to the tune of over $100 million in Arlington tax dollars which meant clearing out blocks of  mostly Latino small businesses, small repair shops,etc.  At the time we were there, there was zero development in all of the area that had been cleared out to support 8 home games a year. The nearest place to eat was a Denny's near Six Flags that was definitely not new.

NP042
NP042

@mantisdragon91 You can't make this stuff up...


Moron, apparently you are not qualified to evaluate these deals 

So instead you engage in personal attacks;


I literally laughed out loud when I read this.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@mantisdragon91 

Also bitching about other people "not providing data" when he never does, while simultaneously just making numbers up and changing his argument.

Yeah, I should have taken my own advise from yesterday.  "Do not feed the troll"

collioure
collioure

@NP042 @collioure  

Somehow her plan didn't quite match up (it's in the fine print).  So she's gets tossed into a pool with the unhealthy people signing up for Obamacare.

That's what the Daily Beast columnist is saying.

Once more with feeling:  not substandard.

collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord @collioure  

It's exactly that.  Obamacare has to have you paying more money to subsidize the unhealthy.

Ms Powers wants the Obamacare supporters to stop hiding that.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@outsider

The Conservatives will drop Harper when Harper decides it's time to go.  Why?  Because Harper knows how to keep his entire party in line.

sacredh
sacredh

@outsider, The Virginia recount resulted in the democrat winning.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@Ivy_B He doesn't want blah people from Atlanta coming to the new stadium. Cue the shocked face.

outsider
outsider

That was the case in mtl, with the marlins..

collioure
collioure

@NP042  

I'm sorry you are so frickin clueless that you cannot think of admissions taxes on tickets, sales taxes on concessions and sales by businesses in the area, income taxes on all the salaries and wages earned in the stadium and thereabout, income taxes on the team itself and all the businesses thereabout, - and that's just a beginning.

There's a tremendous amount of economic activity generated by a professional sports team and some of it eventually goes to government

Only an ignoramus like you could not imagine this.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@NP042 

I'm gone for the day and didn't miss any of the 'wingers rants. Seems they never add much.

NP042
NP042

@collioure

No one has explained to the American people what happens when bad risks are insured alongside good risks.  Ms Powers wants Obama & Co to stop hiding this.  It's behind the sticker shock she noted when her premiums doubled.

What?  Again, do you not know how insurance works?  My company of 2000-some people, plus retirees and dependents, insures "good risk" people (myself, younger employees) alongside "bad risk" people (retirees, etc).  The entire point is that you subsidize the "bad risk" by insuring "good risk".  I can gaurantee that I would have saved money if I had paid out of pocket for the few medical services I used (literally one doctor visit for a sinus infection) in the 3.5 years I've been working here, but then I would have been screwed if something happened.

BTW I noted your desire to blame the insurance companies who were just following the law.  With liberals it's always someone else's fault  Haven't you noticed?

If her plan met the government requirements, why is it not the company's fault for still increasing her premium?

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure 

You want us to stop hiding that insurance is doing exactly what it's supposed to do?

collioure
collioure

@NP042  

Heretofore insurers placed similar risks in the same pool.

No one has explained to the American people what happens when bad risks are insured alongside good risks.  Ms Powers wants Obama & Co to stop hiding this.  It's behind the sticker shock she noted when her premiums doubled.

BTW I noted your desire to blame the insurance companies who were just following the law.  With liberals it's always someone else's fault  Haven't you noticed?

NP042
NP042

@collioure 

1a) It's not just "unhealthy" people singing up through the health exchanges.

1b) That's how health insurance works, has worked, and will work, whether people buy on the individual market, are insured through their employers, or in "socialized" medicine

2)  Again, why is there no anger directed at the health insurance company which is making all of these changes.  If her plan was not substandard and was only missing something in the fine print, that does not add up to doubling premiums.  Doubling premiums add in that case add up to the company trying to pad it's margins because it will actually have to cover things now.

3) Again, do people not understand how insurance works?

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure 

1) That's how insurance works.  That's how insurance always has worked

2) It still has nothing to do with ObamaCare.  ObamaCare does not set minimum cost requirements.  It doesn't say "oh, you can't have a plan that costs only $15/month" - it says the plan has to meet some minimum requirements.  So either the insurance didn't meet the requirements - in which case Powers is wrong - or the insurance company is lying to Ms Powers.

3) Considering that the plans in the exchanges are sometimes insanely cheap compared to what these insurance companies are offering, it's hard for me to believe that subsidizing the unhealthy is actually causing this increase.  There was a great case where somebody lost their $70 insurance and was offered a $500 replacement and could've instead gotten a $150 version on Healthcare.gov.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@DonQuixotic @Sue_N And then there's the constant screaming by righties about all that government waste.

collioure
collioure

@MementoMori @collioure @mantisdragon91 

Let me try this again

NFL?  League office is tax-exempt but none of the teams are

Dodgers?  The customary tax accounting of the sale of a team according to IRS regulations

$4 billion lost?  because they creatively used tax-exempt bonds ot finance a stadium?  I don't think so.  Rather common practice these days.

Pollopa
Pollopa

Maybe it's more to do with the tomahawk chop,

Tero
Tero

@outsider 

Aww, I miss the Expo's. Their logo has seen a resurgence amongst hipsters in recent years.

NP042
NP042

@DonQuixotic @collioure @NP042 It's also based on the argument that a stadium will last 40 years while we're discussing one that will barely make it half of that.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@collioure @NP042  

I'm sorry you are so frickin clueless that you cannot think of admissions taxes on tickets, sales taxes on concessions and sales by businesses in the area, income taxes on all the salaries and wages earned in the stadium and thereabout, income taxes on the team itself and all the businesses thereabout, - and that's just a beginning.

I love how your entire argument is based on a revenue stream that you don't actually have the figures for.  How many years would those taxes take to cover the cost of the ballpark?  Do you even know?  That's a rhetorical question of course.

collioure
collioure

@MrObvious @collioure @NP042 

If all these deals were shams,  I doubt many local officials could stand for re-election.  There must be some good economic reasons.  They happen everywhere.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@collioure @MrObvious @NP042

I'm simply going to note that no one gives away $500 million without getting something in return

Happens all the time. That's why rich people buy politicians so they send the gravy train their way. Anytime a for profit entity need tax payers to pay for them without a guarantee of return of that money it is a scam. The fact that you can't be bothered to figure that out makes you intellectually lazy.

If you're so near-sighted

Ironic. No - you're going to continue calling people names instead of mounting an argument based on facts. Your'e like Fox news, you don't invest in information. You load up on smokescreens and easy mauled vernacular.

Personally I don't deal in unicorns but you seem like the kind of type that don't mind for profit entities leeching off of you without a guarantee of return. Typical for 'wingers.

collioure
collioure

@MrObvious @collioure @NP042  

I'm not going to vouch for every stadium deal.

I'm simply going to note that no one gives away $500 million without getting something in return and that there are substantial financial benefits to having a professional sports franchise in your city.

If you're so near-sighted that you can't recognize them, I'm not going to continue to point them out.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@collioure @MrObvious @NP042 

You're guessing a whole lot don't you?

As I said, corporate give away. And for profit entity that rely on tax payers to pay for them are scamming people.

Like the fast food industry that rake in billions while making communities, states and the federal subsidize their workers.

And you're on the scammers side as usual. It's alright - you're a 'winger. You can't help yourself arguing for looters.

collioure
collioure

@MrObvious @collioure @NP042  

No, it's not.

No one gives away $500 million without getting something in return.  A stadium usually lasts 40 years.  A team's continued presence there assures a stream of many financial benefits to the governments there.

It's an investment.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@collioure @MrObvious @NP042 

Maybe you should read your position again, since it's the usual 'winger argument for wasting communities tax money - firing public workers like teachers and giving something free to for profit entities that pocket the profits while socializing the cost.

You are of course on their side.

Anyways, the only argument we'll get from you is your juvenile half baked insults. It's like listening to a 'twinky' and wish you spent an hour poking your eyeballs with a pointy object instead.

Time lost, nothing gained.

collioure
collioure

@MrObvious @collioure @NP042  

Moron, the subject has nothing to do with partisan politics.

Oh, and put the beer down.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@collioure @MrObvious @NP042 

Sorry, I'm just sitting here eating popcorn while you make an @ss out of yourself. You're on your own with whatever 'winger BS you're peddling.