Obama’s New Immigration Pivot Isn’t About Immigration

It's about putting political pressure on House Republicans as elections approach.

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U.S. President Barack Obama speaks about immigration reform, in the East Room of the White House, on Oct. 24, 2013, in Washington, D.C.

President Obama called Thursday on the Republican-controlled House of Representatives to take up the comprehensive immigration bill passed by the Senate. “This is not an idea whose time has come,” Obama said, “This is an idea whose time has been around for years now. . . and this is the moment when we should be able to the job done.”

The move is the latest in a pattern of efforts by Democrats to increase political pressure on Republicans, who have already ruled out the Senate bill, in the hopes of using the issue in the 2014 and 2016 elections. President Barack Obama took the podium in the White House State Dining Room last week to mark the end of the shutdown and laid out his priorities for the coming months. At the top of the list was a renewed push for comprehensive immigration reform. Congressional Democrats likewise are onboard with the new push. “I look forward to the next venture, which is making sure we do immigration reform,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said last week.

But privately, administration officials and congressional Democrats admit that they are unlikely to get immigration reform through Congress any time soon. Minutes after Obama spoke, Brendan Buck, a spokesman for Speaker John Boehner released a statement rejecting Obama’s calls for a comprehensive plan. “The House will not consider any massive, Obamacare-style legislation that no one understands,” Buck wrote. “Instead, the House is committed to a common sense, step-by-step approach that gives Americans confidence that reform is done the right way.”

Obama has long approached the issue of immigration cautiously, preferring to let congressional Democrats shoulder the burden of trying to push legislation through Congress—a fact that didn’t go unnoticed by activists. Obama has deported illegal immigrants at a faster rate than any other president, quickly approaching 2 million deportations in five years in office. That careful path shifted in 2012 when Obama signed an executive order deferring action for young illegal immigrants, known by advocates as “DREAMers” for the stymied legislation that would grant them a path to citizenship. The poll-tested election-year action helped Obama capture over 70 percent of the national Hispanic vote last November, and quickly after the election Obama made immigration reform a top priority.

Earlier this year the conditions were ripe for a compromise. Moderate Republicans, sensing that their party was rushing toward a demographic time bomb, were ready to compromise. Now the situation is entirely different. Some Republican proponents, like Sen. Marco Rubio, have gone quiet. The shutdown and debt limit battle has only emboldened the party’s conservative wing, who are less likely than ever before to embrace a part of the president’s agenda.

“We’ve kicked this particular can down the road too long,” Obama said. But the latest turn to immigration is more about kicking the GOP when it’s down. Immigration reform remains popular nationally, and the GOP establishment openly admits the party is on the wrong side of the issue. “Now it’s up to Republicans in the House to decide whether reform becomes a reality or not,” Obama said, directing the public’s blame on the most unpopular political entity in America.

“I also believe that good policy is good politics in this instance,” Obama added. They certainly are for him.

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Tariqul
Tariqul

I hope It is" The political game "11 million people are now human shield .their life is good .

DaveFrancis
DaveFrancis

The majority of American taxpayers have no idea where their money goes, once it is forcibly taken every April by the IRS. Now we learn that the Democratic ancient Senator Harry Reid not only defends an agenda to give free money to illegal alien parents, who are collecting a $1000.00 dollars a year for each child in tax credits. This jerk of a leading lawmaker is giving taxpayers money away, but also allow illegal alien parents claim millions of dollars for children that live outside the jurisdiction of the United States, whether they exist or not?

CHEATING THE TAX PAYER.

U.S. Rep. Sam Johnson, R-TX, wrote legislation to end the practice of giving illegal aliens tax credits for kids, but U.S. Sen. Harry Reid, D-NV)., won’t let the House-approved measure H.R. 556 through the Senate.

Senator Harry Reid said, “The System is Working Fine", yet though the Joint Committee on Taxation estimates that passing H.R. 556 would save taxpayers $24.4 billion over the next 10 years.

The House has repeatedly passed an IRS bill that could save U.S. taxpayers up to $24.4 billion over the next decade— but Reid’s inner sanctum of Democratic Senators will not give it a reading to vote on.


The Refundable Child Tax Credit Eligibility Verification Reform Act, or H.R. 556, would require tax applicants to provide a Social Security numbers to claim child tax credits.

Currently, the IRS allows illegal aliens to collect the $1,000 credits for dependents not even living in the country? TheWatchdog.org group reported that illegal aliens received $4.2 billion from the tax agency in just one year.

Sam Johnson, R-Texas, stated, “My bill (targets) billions of dollars in waste, fraud and abuse. Instead of hitting up taxpayers for even more taxes, Washington needs to go after these billions of dollars”.

“The IRS has been doling out the credit to tax filers claiming children who do not even live in the country,” Johnson charged.

Tax preparers say the IRS has to stop disbursing ACTC refunds based on Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers, which are available to foreigners with no legal status.
Tax preparers told Watchdog they have observed clients from Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua claiming Mexican children as dependents.



A 2009 TIGTA audit concluded that the child tax credit “appears to provide an additional incentive for illegal aliens to enter, reside, and work in the U.S. without authorization, which contradicts Federal law and policy to remove such incentives.”

Johnson’s bill would enforce a 10-year ban on tax filers who commit fraud and a $500 penalty on tax preparers who knowingly deceive taxpayers through the ACTC program.

“I just think the child tax credit is working just fine, and there’s no need to punish children,” the Democratic leader told the Associated Press in February.

There is an uncomplicated, easy way to sever the job market from the thousands of illegal aliens arriving here daily. We demand for—ALL THE PEOPLE—ALL THE CITIZENS—(Lawful Residence have a green card) a bio-metric Social Security ID card, that will cut the illegal foreign workers arriving here to a dribble; stopping voting fraud by non-citizens and halt criminals stealing credit, welfare and other citizen benefits. This programmed card that you would slide through a machine, just the same way you slide a credit card through would deny illegal alien parents from appropriating billions of dollars annually in child credits.

These extra dollars would go a long way in caring for our incapacitated, homeless and the veterans that are being denied services. This is a digital document that cannot be counterfeited, even if stolen nefarious reasons? Your picture, your thumb-print and even an iris scan would distinguish you from anybody else. The demented morons in Congress of both political parties (not the TEA PARTY) are willing to keep spending trillions of dollars, but shy away from this federal issued ID card for a meager $2 Billion that the legislators say would cover every U.S. citizen. A card more powerful than E-Verify or means of enforcement internally or at the borders; a national ID card that Americans need urgently. I only hope some Patriotic American begins a petition, to command the “Do nothings” in Washington to get a biometric ID law on the books.

promotocustomerservice
promotocustomerservice

THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OFAMERICA. WE NEED SL@VES. THAT's HOW WE BECAME GREAT. IF WE LET GO THOSE SL@VES TO BE LEGAL THEN  WE CAN"T GO AGAINST THOSE CHINESE!!!!

DaveFrancis
DaveFrancis

On April 16, 2013, a group of eight U.S. Senators introduced S.744, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act. The Senate passed the bill, 68-to-32, on June 27, 2013. The bill guaranteed amnesty now in exchange for promises of future enforcement, just like the failed 1986 amnesty. In addition to inviting the next wave of illegal immigration, though, the bill would double legal immigration and vastly expand guest worker programs for both low- and high-skilled foreign workers. It is a recipe for unrelenting high unemployment, subordinate wages for low and middle class Americans, ever-expanding government, and fiscal deficits. The Senate's bill would bring in an additional 33 million foreigners to work in our country in the next 10 years. The bills coming out of the House would bring in an additional 100,000 foreign workers per year! 

If there was a labor shortage, why are they so many unemployed?  And why are some of the same Reps who are claiming a labor shortage hosting much needed job fairs in their Districts? How will any legalization help Americans?  With 50% of young Americans unable to find a full time job and having granted work permits to millions of "DREAM’ers" has make it even more difficult for this generation to make a come back in the job market. There may be some compelling cases that persuaded certain Representatives to vote for the DREAM Act, but what about the compelling cases of millions upon millions of young Americans who just want a good job? Shouldn't they come first?

Many surveys have illustrated that 4 out of 5 U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, near poverty or reliance on welfare for at least parts of their lives. There are 20 million Americans who cannot find a full time job today. Minorities and young people have the highest unemployment figures and wages across the board have been stagnant for 30 years. The headlines in the past months and additional support from the Social networks from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) that Black American unemployment rate has declined from 13.0% in August to 12.9% in September. Completely ignoring the fact that the increase is partly due that over 120,000 Blacks were not counted in the labor force in prior month.

So whatever law passes in the end of this controversy such as the Senate bill forced through Congress, or the House enacting an immigration reform in increments. The promises of building the 700 miles double layer fencing, e-verify will never be successful, without some form of national ID card. A federally issued biometric Social Security card that cannot be duplicated, that cannot be used by anybody else will end illegal alien job seekers, non-citizens illegally voting in elections and stopping the growing crime of credit theft.

OliverCatolos
OliverCatolos

It maybe the best diversion against Republicans… because the good policy…

of Obama’s Administration always predict the need of the majority on

immigration reform and a necessity for political agenda to proclaim such achievement at the right place at the right time.

Oliver Catolos

Tanay Rizal

Philippines

Yoshi
Yoshi

Agreed. It's good for deflection, as well.

allthingsinaname
allthingsinaname

Of course it is not about immigration; I mean who cares about 11 million people, that we enticed across our boarder to mow our lawns, build our houses, flip our burgers , and fight our wars.

That Damn Obama, socialist pig being mean to the GOP, does he have no respect for government by the GOP, for the GOP,  of the GOP?

My God one would think this is America or something. I very glad we have the Press to state otherwise.

maraba1
maraba1

Can some ask this President how increasing immigration is going to solve the problem of unemployment? Just the last month indicated that only 148,000 jobs were added, and it is not looking good at all .. This President is ONLY worried about votes and increasing Democrat vote base.. But then, the Republicans are no better - Senator Orrin Hatch voted to increase the STEM H-1B quota because you know why ... "my hi-tech CEOs told me it is right thing to do"!!! The surveys shows that there is NO SHORTAGE of STEM workers in this country did not sway him at all, obviously because he has been bought off by the hi-tech lobbys. Same goes for Obama.. So we have a situation where both parties are ruled by lobbys and the only hope is for the people to fight through media ... But wait, the media is also controlled by the rich partisans... Sigh, I give up.

Romantic_Romeo
Romantic_Romeo

Labor force participation is at a multi-decade low.

Wages as a percentage of corporate profits are at a 20 year low.

Food stamp usage has increased by 74% since Obama took office.

The employment report that the Labor dept releases on the first friday of each month has shown an average job creation of 170k jobs in the country each month and this is not even enough to keep up with the natural growth of the existing legal population.

And on top of all this, Obama wants to legalize 15-20 mn folks so that they can quit their crappy jobs and compete directly with Americans for better paying jobs, while also tripling the amount of legal immigration.

AND Yet despite all this, people are actually criticizing Republicans for blocking immigration !?!? WE SHOULD BE KISSING THEIR FEET out of gratitude.


Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

This is chapter 1745 of Senate republicans versus House republicans.

The same voters that can toss out the former are the lifeline of the latter. None of this is complicated. 


PerryWhite1
PerryWhite1

Zeke here can show off his Conventional Wisdom cred by assigning whatever rationale he wants, but for my money, it's about time we started talking about Democratic priorities. We've spent the last five years of a Democratic Administration and a Democratic Senate talking about what the Republicans want to talk about -- all the while debating those issues on the GOP side of the field, so far right you can see the edge from there.

So if Zeke wants to paint this as some sort of clever political ploy, that's his prerogative as a Beltway journalist, and fully in line with the usual Beltway-journalist blather, and certain to impress other Beltway-journalist blatherers with his "seriousness." 

But for me, all I can say is "It's about time." Let's talk about immigration, creating jobs, raising the minimum wage, expanding the middle class, and tilting the economic playing field away from the rich and back toward the center. You know, the kinds of things the majority of American voted for in 2008 and 2012. 

And if that puts the Republicans on the defensive, then that's only right and proper. It's the natural position of the minority party, a position they have avoided for the last five years by throwing an extended temper tantrum. They can stop being on the defensive any time they want to, by changing their positions to more popular ones.

shepherdwong
shepherdwong

"But privately, administration officials and congressional Democrats admit that they are unlikely to get immigration reform through Congress any time soon."

Hey, Zeke. What, exactly, do administration officials and congressional Democrats think they are likely to get through the Republican House any time soon? Maybe the White House should just pack up and go home lest they be accused of pushing legislation just for electoral purposes. On second thought, maybe they should push popular legislation just for electoral purposes until they get Republicans in Congress to do their godd@mned jobs.

fredlb
fredlb

Immigration reform would readily pass if what's to be done with the hordes of people in this country illegally were removed from the bill.  That's a purely enforcement matter, anyway, and has nothing to do with immigration reform.

BillPearlman
BillPearlman

This is about bringing in 15-20 million new Democratic voters and killing off what's left of the American middle class.

grape_crush
grape_crush

> “I also believe that good policy is good politics in this instance...”

It is. It's also nothing new; Obama has trying to get this done since before he was elected president. Ratcheting up the pressure on Republicans prior to a midterm election* is just extra icing.

(*And, given that we have a news media that begins speculation about the upcoming elections only a few days after the previous one ended, can anyone really say that we're not always in an election cycle? There's no timing possible where a charge of political motivation cannot be made.)


 

DavidStrayer
DavidStrayer

Of course the reintroduction of the immigration issue is intended to keep the GOP on the defensive.  Rightly so.

The Republicans, who seem to be very skilled at putting their collective feet into their mouths while all the while trying to wreck the country, are bound to botch another immigration debate.

This is not the touchbutton issue for most people that the government shutdown is.  But for some people, it's a critical matter.  If you're worried about whether your mother or grandfather or aunt will be deported, you're not likely to be very receptive to the nativist squawks of the vocal minions of the Republican-Know-Nothing Party.

The GOP has a basic problem in that its agenda is all about helping the wealthiest 1% or 0.1% of Americans get richer and not caring one whit about anyone else.  They can flavor this distasteful agenda with a bit of populist religious zealotry, hypocritical nods to fiscal responsibility (in which they're not in the least interested, but pretend to be), rigorous observance of immigration law (despite their insouciance about all other types of laws), etc.

But it comes down to the fact that the Republicans, who so loudly profess their love of America, hate Americans.

Victoria5508
Victoria5508

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TedTedTed
TedTedTed

@allthingsinaname

"...I mean who cares about 11 million people, that we enticed across our boarder to mow our lawns, build our houses, flip our burgers , and fight our wars."

Oh yeah, the American military of 2013 is overwhelmingly made of illegal aliens.  Okay then, genius.  As for building our houses, I know there are a LOT of professional carpenters who might have something to say about their loss of jobs at the hands of illegals. As for "flipping our burgers" - now in many areas, teenagers can't find work in an industry that traditionally employed them. This idiocy that everyone who rails against illegal immigration is also reaping the benefits of their being here is moronic. More nonsense from some feel-good yahoo who likely doesn't live in Southern California and has NO idea what he or she is blathering about.

thriver
thriver

@Romantic_Romeo It appears things are more complex than this.

A vast majority of undocumented immigrants clearly have jobs - without which they wouldn't be able to live here. We would lose jobs to non-Americans or would illegal jobs become legal?

Also there are two hugely political arguments:

- Niether party wants to be responsible for photos of entire families being dragged out of their house by police. To deport 11 millions people manu militari would take a lot of time, money and bad press. Obama has successfully deported far more than his GOP predecessors by focusing on the "bad guys" with criminal records.

- The GOP needs to figure out how to offer a platform that meets the needs of a growing population of citizens emerging from the massive immigration. Many brown skin folks have more babies than white skin folks. For the moment those people feel for the most part that only the DNC really "gets them" and  understands their needs - whether or not that is true is another question. 

By insisting the GOP pass an immigration bill - all the while knowing the present GOP is being steamrolled by the far-right members - is Obama's way of saying to immigration-positive communities "We're on your side and they aren't."


thriver
thriver

@PerryWhite1 In order to mete out policies one has to have an opponent willing to listen, willing to say "Okay - I hear what you're saying now let's tweak it like this" or "I hear what you're saying but I won't vote for it, Now here's a counter-proposal."

I am tired of having debates with people who think differently than me and they quote some seemingly high minded truism spouted of by O'Reilly instead of giving specific, VOTABLE policy proposals.

In couple's therapy where disdain or contempt enters into the dialogue the likelihood for divorce is quite high. The Tea Party caucus of the GOP presently spinning circles around their party leaders are massive fabricators of disdainful discourse. While in the meantime their handlers are getting disdainful legislation passed in numerous state houses - see ALEC's model legislation on abortion rights, labor union rights, voter rights, etc

armandocdll81
armandocdll81

@PerryWhite1 How does the prolonged mass-importation of illiterate, low-skilled, non-English-speaking foreign nationals expand the middle class let alone make the environment in which they live, eat, sleep and breath more pleasant or sustainable?

eagle11772
eagle11772

@shepherdwong I'm a voter.  I am EXTREMELY Anti-Obamaniac.  Id on't think that the House should do ANYTHING that the The Obamaniac wants.  NOTHING !  NADA !  ZIP !  ZILCHO !  If a majority of Americans are so PRO-Obamaniac, then why do they keep electing a Republican majority to the house ? !  The HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES is who represents the American people.  Not the Senate, not the White House.  AHrd to believe that ANY person can be a WORSE POTUS than Jimmy Carter, but The Obamaniac has pulled it off.  And where is Stumblebum Joe in this OBAMACARE MESS ?  Hiding in the weeds again ???

eagle11772
eagle11772

@fredlb I agree.  Start removing EVERY single person in the U.S. who has entered ILLEGALLY, in violation of FEDERAL LAW, which The Obamaniac was elected to ENFORCE, and build a SECURE border.

jmac
jmac

@fredlb The Republican Chamber of Commerce would have a hissy fit if we enforced sending them home.  What to do with those who are here and have been here for decades has everything to do with immigration reform.  Conservatives can't have it both ways.  

You hire them, you say the economy needs them, you look the other way as your use them,  you owe them.  

thriver
thriver

@BillPearlman Oh of course - blame the poor brown skin folks who risk their lives to get a job in the US for killng the middle class.

I'm sure it's got nothing to do with the rise of cost of higher education, the expatriation of manufacturing, the lack of healthcare insurance, the privatization of retirement pensions, the "The Housing Market Will Never Go Down" propaganda, the complexification of investment tools, the venture capital strategy of gutting companies for profit.

Go to the Hamptons if you want to know where the money of what was once the most comfortable middle class has gone.

jmac
jmac

@BillPearlman 5 hours ago

"This is about bringing in 15-20 million new Democratic voters and killing off what's left of the American middle class."

The middle class should have thought about that when the Republican Chamber of Commerce was bringing them here to do our dirty work because it didn't want to pay Americans a living wage.  You want slaves?  Eventually they become presidents.  Works every time.  


drudown
drudown

@BillPearlman

I fail to see how this "reform" passes Constitutional muster, much less what partisan ideology has to do with it. Namely, how can anyone credibly contend that the proposed immigration "reform" doesn't violate the Equal Protection Clause?

What, this "class" of statutory law breakers gets off from prosecution by the State but not others? That is not Justice. That is treating one class of persons under the law differently than others and constitutes an abuse of Procedural Due Process to the People- particularly since it would be creating an enormous "voting bloc" that could swing the next election- and it is irrelevant "which way" that will prove to be, since the Unconstitutional dimension precludes its legality. It is well established that “the Due Process Clause was intended to secure an individual from an abuse of power by government officials.” Daniels v. Williams (1986) 474 U.S. 327. Similar to the "shut down" and/or REFUSAL to promulgate a commercially reasonable Budget by Congress in a timely manner, how is "magically transmuting" 10,000,000-20,000,000+ illegal immigrants NOT an "abuse of power" if such State Action is merely cloaked in "partisan ideology", as if, in the end, the foreseeable BILLIONS in ENTITLEMENT COSTS caused by "amnesty" is on a "collision course" with the GOP Congress' self-professed "refusal" to RAISE REVENUE per Constitution's express commands? It can't be both.

Enough of this "make up the law as we go along" super-PAC precedent. 

As a practical matter, at what point does the State (e.g., United States) have a LEGAL duty to faithfully execute the immigration laws dispassionately? You can cry a river the length of the Rio Grande but it doesn't mean granting mass "amnesty" to illegal immigrants here is any more workable (see, e.g., recent "shut down" predicated on Legislative Veto power to circumvent applicable law, i.e., ACA) than it is in the EU. Sovereigns aren't an open door for the 3rd world to keep migrating to as if, in the end, there is "enough space" or "enough resources" for everybody- citizen or illegal immigrant alike. What "world" do people live in where basic arithmetic no longer applies such that 150 people can fit in a room for 50? 

Do tell. 

And then reconcile, if that is the State Action to be pursued, WHY the State purporting to "bequeath citizenship" for those here illegally does not have a concurrent obligation to RAISE TAXES to pay for their GENERAL WELFARE as well?

(sigh.)

Like touting "Austerity" at home despite its self-evident failure abroad (EU), here our elected officials are just placing our society on a collision course for more social unrest. 

"Chaos is best." - the "new" GOP



shepherdwong
shepherdwong

@BillPearlman"This is about bringing in 15-20 million new Democratic voters of color and killing off what's left of the white American middle class, demographically.

There, fixed that for ya.

I assume that means you're for things like a higher minimum wage and subsidized education and healthcare for the poor (of any color), which tends to help them become middle class.

David2all
David2all

@BillPearlman The middle class have been slayed by the less than 1% whom only bleed green.  Many immigrants bleed red white and blue.  Blame shift is exactly what your head is being filled with.  As for the middle class it grows up, not down, its repressed down not up and if the math where done you would see that the middle only represents less then 23% of the population, not much of a middle.   

Reagent
Reagent

@DavidStrayer If the GOP (which I'm not a member of, but just dislike poor logic) is all about helping just the upper 1%, why do roughly 50% of the people vote for them? Do you perhaps mean that half the population are fools for not seeing something that seems so blindingly obvious to you? This argument line has just never made sense.

Romantic_Romeo
Romantic_Romeo

@DavidStrayer You make no sense at all.

The Republicans are doing the ABSOLUTELY right thing by blocking immigration reform.



tommyudo
tommyudo

@DavidStrayer 


Even as cynical as I am, i wouldn't go quite so far as to say that all  Republicans  "hate Americans." What they  hate are people who aren't like them. They hate diversity and the fact that the US's demographics are changing, and not to their advantage. They are scared and fearful. What can be said with some certainty is that their corporate paymasters don't have any loyalty to this country. Their loyalty is solely to their profit margins and their investors. Willard Romney was the poster boy for them.

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

@eagle11772 @Paul,nnto In common English usage "former" would be the first of two previously listed items (Senate republicans ) the latter would be the second (House republicans) . 


shepherdwong
shepherdwong

@eagle11772 What a COINCIDENCE! I am a voter TOO. Representing a LARGE majority of the voters in this country. Regarding the HOUSE of REPRESENTATIVES, can you say "rural, BACKWATER GERRYMANDERED districts," who do NOT represent THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? I'll take JIMMY CARTER and BARACK OBAMA over Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush seven days out of seven, if you can understand POLICY and OUTCOME. You, obviously, are CLUELESS.

fredlb
fredlb

@jmac @fredlb What percentage of the American people is the Chamber of Commerce?  And what percentage of Americans actually employs illegals, two or three percent?  The majority of the American people did not hire them, we don't look the other way, and we don't owe them one single solitary thing. 

armandocdll81
armandocdll81

@shepherdwong @BillPearlman Helping poor Americans - yes - not beleaguered peasants with atavistic skill-sets and environmentally destructive reproduction habits. It is not incumbent upon the American people to turn their communities into refugee camps, their schools into holding pens for future prisoners and their hospitals into poverty replication mills. 

DavidStrayer
DavidStrayer

@Romantic_Romeo @DavidStrayer 

From their point of view, of course they are.  They're for blocking virtually everything.

As for whether it's actually right or wrong, you're entitled to your opinion.  My opinion is that the Republicans want the country to be just like them: white, fundamentalist and mean.  Immigration reform will wreck that.  So, of course they're against it. 

Only, I'd just like someone to explain to me why it is that people whose ancestors entered the country (for many reasons, of course, but mostly) because it was a land of opportunity are now against others doing the same.  In the days before the Republican Congress in the 1920s passed legislation restricting immigration, anyone who didn't have trachoma and tuberculosis could enter.  

Congress decided then that there were "desirables" and "undesirables", these categories being defined by country of origin (northern European was most desirable, all others not) and legislated to keep the latter group out. Incidentally, the quotas set by this system were used to keep out refugees from Nazi oppression and murder. 

Why, if someone has to feed his or her family is it wrong for them to perform back-breaking work in the fields in the hot, hot sun, doing work that virtually all Americans would not stoop to do ... why is it wrong for them to do so in order to feed their families?

thriver
thriver

@eagle11772 You kinda lose all credibility when you toss out silly epithets like Marxist-Leninist etc

Black and white thinking doesn't really serve a democratic debate.

I recommend you read a history book

mjshep
mjshep

@barneydidit @eagle11772 @shepherdwong No, barneydidit, that is what happens when you listen to too much right wing hate radio, watch too much Fox News and actually believe it and combine that with enough ignorance to not even understand what the term "socialism" means. Kind of sad.

barneydidit
barneydidit

@eagle11772 @shepherdwong Too funny eagle. Reagan raised taxes 11 times, tripled the federal debt, increased the size of the federal government, and violated the Constitution to sell arms to Iran...and yet you prefer him over Obama because Obama is "evil".  This is what happens when we go through life with a closed mind. 

eagle11772
eagle11772

@shepherdwong I'm a New Yorker brn and raised.  I'll take Ronald Reagan and George Bush any day of the week against ANY Democrat, particularly the Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist Obamanaic (A name coined by his Presidential election campaign committee).  The Obamaniac is an EVIL man, killing Americans without indictment, trial, nor sentences, and he is an avowed and proud socialist.  His mantra is: "Just because socialism failed in the Soviet Union doesn't mean t can't work here ! :)"  He is Evil.  PURE EVIL.

thriver
thriver

@armandocdll81 @shepherdwong @fredlb it's not about "opening the floodgates"  The Senate bill has three very clear parts 1)- offer those presently residing in the US in limbo status a real status instead of spending millions to round them up, apply legislation and send them "home" 2) - make the visa system far less complex, more legible 3) - heighten borders and continue to deport illegals with criminal records.

fredlb
fredlb

@shepherdwong @fredlb I can't see how it would help at all.  It is the Democratic Party that is pushing for amnesty.  They want those votes, never mind what may be good for the country.

armandocdll81
armandocdll81

@shepherdwong @fredlb Democrats like me who favor strong environmental regulations and prudent stewardship of finite (and diminishing) resources do not see how opening the floodgates to the developing word's excess population does this nation more good than harm. California was once a beautiful state to live in - now it is a stinking mess - barely solvent, huge drop-out rates, high unemployment,  vanishing water, gridlocked highways. It also contains the highest number of unauthorized foreign nationals in the country. 

shepherdwong
shepherdwong

@fredlb "What percentage of the American people is the Chamber of Commerce?"

That would be the ruling .01% of the American people (and the wealthy foreigners who invest with them). If you don't like it, stop voting Republican. It won't always prevent it but it's a vote in the right direction.