Morning Must Reads: October 24

In the News: Germany summoning Ambassadors over spying; Obamacare website traffic not the only problem; how the White House took down a twitter renegade; and this week's TIME

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

Prettier in Print: This week’s TIME

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kbanginmotown
kbanginmotown

944 comments at 10PM on a Thursday? The cookie jar is just too tempting, isn't it? (Nestle's "Troll-House" Cookies, yum!)

nm. I'll watch The Last Word.

sacredh
sacredh

It's Movietime! Tonight it's going to be an oldie but goodie. It's the B&W The Legend of Hell House.

MrObvious
MrObvious

Again


COLLI

How come you live in France when the taxes are higher and your healthcare system is even more 'public' then our ACA? I mean you clearly desire lower taxes and a sh!tty healthcare system where unless you're perfectly health and rich you don't deserve insurance.

Why not move here since we're living the dream?

sacredh
sacredh

Here's what I think folks. IF the ACA works out and prices fall, it's a big step towards a single-payer system. The GOP is desperate to stop it. As much as they hate Obama and the democrats, their best strategy would be to step aside and let it fail. If it fails, they reap the benefits and accomplish what BENGHAZI!!!!, the IRS, Muslim and Socialist!!! couldn't do. But no, they decided to go ahead with a shutdown even though they KNOW what it did to them the last time. Their worst nightmare is it working and prices dropping. On top of that, all of those people with pre-existing conditions can now be covered. Are they going to vote for people that take away their medical coverage? It looks obvious to me.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@kbanginmotown 

Looks like NFT wasn't exactly well observed. 

Hope that more independent minded people get tired of it. I won't deny that I threw in with it~~

collioure
collioure

@MrObvious  

Once again I live in a gorgeous province with sun, sea and mountains and wonderful people, food and wine.

I'm never leaving this paradise.

sacredh
sacredh

@MrObvious, but what if all of us working class people make the deserving people wait an extra 15 minutes in a waiting room? Your class hatred is showing. 

MrObvious
MrObvious

@sacredh 

It was dumb of them to bet against something that is pretty much a universal concept in all industrialized countries. They all have some form of either regulated insurance or public type options and it helps them lower over all health care costs with the added benefit of longer average lifespan, overall health and happiness.

If that's socialism sign me up.

The contrast of the GOPers calling this type of no brainier something insidious falls on its arse when you look at the few states that have similar programs (like Hawaii) and can balance their bills.

TyPollard
TyPollard

@sacredh 

From your mouth to the Flying Spaghetti Monster's ears...If he/she has ears.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@sacredh @MrObvious 

WTF do you get the idea that rich people have to wait in waiting-rooms? Or even go to hospitals to get physical care?

sacredh
sacredh

@MrObvious,

"It was dumb of them to bet against something that is pretty much a universal concept in all industrialized countries."

I guess they're saying that we couldn't possibly measure up to any other industrialized western nation on earth that was able to make it work. You know, this being dumb America and all.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@collioure @sacredh

Your optimism is unfounded, almost delusional. 

Why would YOU say that when France have an even better system with lower cost and is clearly more sustainable with similar if not better healthcare outcomes?

sacredh
sacredh

@collioure, time will tell. If the ACA does work out, will you come here and admit that you're delusional? I'm willing to say that I was if it fails.

sacredh
sacredh

@MrObvious, sticks a fork in the light socket just to see what happe....

MrObvious
MrObvious

@sacredh 

Let me put it like this


With the Taliban I see a bearded dude that have to assassinate a little girl for wanting to go to school in the middle of the night.

With our 'taliban' they will jackhammer you on a free way for spilling coffee on them walking past their table at the local breakfast diner.

sacredh
sacredh

@MrObvious, please. I live 5 miles from West Virginia. Some of the guys I work with are outcasts because they married outside the family.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@sacredh @MrObvious 

The taliban has no political power, only power of fear and I'm not giving into some jackarse with a silly accent and a Ak 47 (I've been to Georgia)

But our 'taliban' have political power. And that will effect me more then some backwater cave dweller.

sacredh
sacredh

@MrObvious, many of us have said it many times, but the Tea party has the best chance of bringing down the US. I'm more fearful of them than any taliban or Al Queada terrorists. they're the suicide bombers without the actual bombs.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@sacredh @MrObvious 

We keep telling ourselves that being last in any measurement of whats good for a society is actually success.

collioure
collioure

@MrObvious @collioure @sacredh  

Because this White House bit off way too much and can't manage worth a damn.

Does no one here understand the magnitude of this FU ???? 

It's a start-to-finish calamity with no quality control along the way.

collioure
collioure

@MrObvious @collioure @sacredh  

Because this White House bit off way too much and can't manage worth a damn.

Does no one here understand the magnitude of this FU ???? 

It's a start-to-finish calamity with no quality control anywhere along the way.

collioure
collioure

@MrObvious @TyPollard @collioure @sacredh  

What if none of those factors mattered as to my decision to move here in 2002?

I have mountains, sea and sun in a gorgeous place with great people, wonderful food and wine.  I live in paradise.

sacredh
sacredh

@MrObvious , because healthy poor people that owe their lives to Obamacare might vote for the people that don't say "Let them die?". 

sacredh
sacredh

@MrObvious, because we're only Americans living in the US and don't deserve the same healthcare as tax exiles?

sacredh
sacredh

@MrObvious, rips up my donor card. Nobody in my wage grade is going to get a transplant anyway.

sacredh
sacredh

@collioure, please, think rationally. It's less than a month old and it's a "disaster"? Why is it a disaster? Because the code is messed up? Or is it a "disaster" because "independents", that is conservatives, stand to lose their @sses if it's a success?

TyPollard
TyPollard

@collioure @sacredh 

This forum allows you to give facts and evidence to help others understand your point of view. 


MrObvious
MrObvious

@collioure @sacredh

That's not my point.

This rollout is so disastrous that no one can reasonably conceive that this will succeed as planned.

Imagine any type of progressive system that allows people to live better without the fear of crippling poverty without the easy sign up ability of a 'interface'.

We all know that when SS and Medicare first was passed into law those computers sure worked like clock work. I'm sorry - you say that there was no computers and applications could take months and longer to process?

Holy shiat - how did we ever get anything done without perfect conditions?

collioure
collioure

@sacredh @collioure  

You don't understand.  This disaster represents failures on a number of levels.

You're welcome to hope, but you're not thinking rationally.

Nitol.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@sacredh @collioure 

Imagine if we gave up on all mechanical inventions that have clearly lifted us through progress more rapidly then any other time in history if we encountered any problems.

I mean how many people die in traffic every single year and yet without vehicles our modern society will seize to functions.

sacredh
sacredh

@collioure, let's try an analogy. The military wants a huge new weapons system. On the first trial, the code for the guidance system isn't working right. Is the correct solution to cancel the whole program and never try it again or try to work out the bugs?

TyPollard
TyPollard

@sacredh @collioure 

Because ACA (or anything) will always be IMperfect Non partisan independent Republicans  will NEVER admit ACA is better than being uninsured.

sacredh
sacredh

@collioure, you're mistaking code for healthcare. That's also a point.

collioure
collioure

@sacredh @collioure  

That's not my point.

This rollout is so disastrous that no one can reasonably conceive that this will succeed as planned.