Morning Must Reads: October 17

In the news: The shutdown ends, what's next for Congress, and TIME's new issue

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

  • Government Reopens: “The Senate and the House voted late Wednesday to fund agencies, call hundreds of thousands of civil servants back to work and raise the $16.7 trillion debt limit.” [Washington Post]
  •  Politico declares, “Obama Wins”
  • Businesses Voice Frustration with GOP [WSJ]
  • During the House vote last night, a staffer was dragged from the floor while screaming about God. [The Hill]
  • Also, check out some of the front pages from around the country. [Newseum]
  • On to the Next Crisis: Why Congress Learned Nothing From the Shutdown: “It may be a while before the GOP again shutters the government in a flight of fantasy or drags the U.S. this close to economic calamity. But the political dynamics that produced the debacle suggest the dysfunction is here to stay. In fact, Congress is likelier than not to repeat the epic clash mere months from now, before government funding expires once again on Jan. 15.” [TIME]
  • Now that the shutdown has ended, Congress is preparing to take on the “train wreck” that is the Affordable Care Act. [Politico]
  • Speaking of Obamacare, the New York Times reports many of the people who are getting through the glitchy exchange websites are experiencing issues with the search functions [NYT]
  • Furloughed federal workers are expected to head back to work for the first time in 17 days, but many wonder “How will we know?” [CNN]
  • Newark mayor Cory Booker won the New Jersey Senate special election last night, taking 55% of the vote. [The Hill]
  • GQ profiles Anthony Weiner

And what’s prettier in print this week:

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curt3rd
curt3rd

Testy testy, one, two.......three?

kbanginmotown
kbanginmotown

Looking for the EDIT button...

EDIT: THERE it is!!!

sacredh
sacredh

This is not a test. yes, it is.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

Bloody heck,

I decided to look in on the debate of this Nathan Forrest and then find out who the heck this guy is.  And then read his Wikipedia article

He was not a founder of the KIan.  It's not even clear he ever lead the KIan.  During the initial years of the KIan, while their objectives were offensive (convincing Blacks that they were better off being subservient to Whites), it is not clear that they were inherently violent at the time.  In fact, at the time that it was believed he was a part of the KIan, statements from others seem to be warning that the KIan *would* be violent, not that it was violent.  Then again, why the heck did he even have to speak at a Congressional hearing on them if they weren't violent.....yeah.

Also, within 8 years of the end of the war, he had not only renounced ties to the KIan but had attempted to reconcile with African Americans.

I'm honestly not sure what to make of him.  His wartime service record is incredible with one unproven black mark and its definitely something worthy of remembrance and perfectly understandable why you'd name a school after him.

I'm not saying I oppose the name change, I'm just saying I'm not convinced it's the moral imperative that members of this board have made it out to be.

fitty_three
fitty_three

To everyone who participated in the discussion regarding the name of that school in the South:

I need to apologize. I get pretty upset when I see this type of ignorance and I think faster than I type. I left the impression that your comments  were superfluous by using the word 'downtime' for the time needed for writing or researching them. NOT SO. I also meant 'skilled' when 'crafting' them. 

My intent was to convey and contrast my lack of knowledge and my inability with your ability to carefully craft a point as well as all of you do.

Again, I apologize.

ahandout
ahandout

Obama takes a page from the Wizard of Oz.

The online marketplace, Healthcare.gov, repeatedly freezes, says “come back later” or crashes when people attempt to create an account so they can shop around for a plan.

The federal government is printing signs for your doctor's office with the same "come back later" slogan. 

outsider
outsider

nuh uh, you guys don't get your bag of candy. You acted like children just a little too much for the people to handle. 


Harry Reid Says Hiking Defense Spending For Social Security Cuts Is A 'Stupid Trade' 

WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has no interest in a budget deal that trades sequestration relief for entitlement cuts, believing that future spending reductions scheduled to hit the Pentagon give Democrats the upper hand. Instead, the Nevada Democrat told The Huffington Post on Thursday, any large-scale debt-reduction deal must include increased revenue in exchange for changes to mandatory spending programs.

The government funding and debt limit bill signed Wednesday night sets a Dec. 13 deadline for budget negotiators to report back to Congress. If no deal is struck, Congress will have until Jan. 15 to approve continued government funding or face another shutdown.

Reid's hard lines -- which were offered just hours after Wednesday night's deal was signed into law -- reflect an increased sense among Democrats that after a big shutdown victory, they are in a strong political position heading into the next crucial months of debt-reduction talks. 

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/harry-reid-social-security_n_4117325.html

ahandout
ahandout

Democratic mayors to try a Tea Party initiative in...OMG California.  Even the Democrats see the writing on the wall.  Liberal heads to explode...soon we will hear of babies dying and liberals in California will somehow blame corporations for this bill.

Statewide pension ballot issue pushed by San Jose mayor, others

By John Woolfolk

jwoolfolk@mercurynews.com

Posted:   10/16/2013 08:25:29 AM PDTUpdated:   10/16/2013 08:25:34 AM PDT

SAN JOSE -- San Jose Mayor Chuck Reed and leaders of four other California cities struggling with soaring retirement costs announced Tuesday they will seek to get a pension reform initiative on the November 2014 state ballot.

http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-government/ci_24316652/san-jose-mayor-others-push-statewide-pension-ballot

outsider
outsider

Who's got popcorn? They're about to eat themselves - and it's glorious


WASHINGTON -- Two conservative groups endorsed a primary challenger to Sen. Thad Cochran (R-Miss.) Thursday, one day after Cochran voted for a bipartisan budget deal to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling. Club For Growth PAC and Senate Conservatives Fund, two groups that opposed the Reid-McConnell bill, endorsed the candidacy of state Sen. Chris McDaniel within minutes of each other.

The endorsements could be a sign of a coming counterattack by conservative interest groups against Republicans who voted for the deal. SCF, Club For Growth and Heritage Action all tried to rally Republicans not to vote for the bill, but it won the support of 87 House Republicans and 27 Senate Republicans. Cochran, 75, has not announced that he's running for reelection in 2014, but he has won by wide margins in deeply conservative Mississippi since 1978.

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/chris-mcdaniel-thad-cochran_n_4116923.html

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

Ok, it's official.

Ivy is now Queen of Swampland.  All of our kingdoms are her Queendoms.  Bow before you new ruler Hive, for she brings us an edit button.

sacredh
sacredh

I go to work. No edit. I come home...EDIT!!!

I also checked subspace communications and got hold of the Vulcan High Command.

curt3rd
curt3rd

@forgottenlord Kinda like I said yesterday about the importance of not erasing history. 

fitty_three
fitty_three

@forgottenlord 

I just wrote a lengthy review and response (*not* a rebuttal!) that got ate.  I'll have to respond tomorrow. A kindle is not the best thing to write such a thing all over again. I've got an open mind on this.

fitty_three
fitty_three

Plus, I got to use 'edit'. Thanks Ivy!

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout 

See what happens when you outsource it to the cheapest service company that lack the knowledge to build large stable environments?

Obamacare didn't make it crash; the company that put together the solution did it. Or are you the one that blames your computer if your internet connection is slow?

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@ahandout 

You're talking about it like it's new news, not like it's something that's been going on for the last couple of weeks.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@outsider 

That's plain nuts, so it must be something 'wingers proposed. What's with 'wingers and their corporate welfare but p!ss on regular folks schtick? Don't they ever want to win elections again?

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@outsider 

The most interesting dynamic to watch won't be the House primaries which we already know Tea Party challengers will unseat incumbents but Senate primaries which are a bit more balanced for across-the-spectrum Republicans.

hivemaster
hivemaster

@DonQuixotic I think tomorrow should be official Ivy Appreciation Day.  Everyone must like all of her posts.

What say ye?

outsider
outsider

Wait, where is the edit button?

sacredh
sacredh

Spock's mom says 'hey!".

collioure
collioure

@La_Randy  

Ivy accomplished that?

Well, thank you very much, Ivy.

It seems that two of the brightest bulbs here are women.

(Not that there's anything wrong with that <g> In fact I happen to prefer intelligent, liberated women.  I marry them.)

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@MrObvious

Dude, he outsourced his intelligence to the cheapest service company.  He has no idea what you're talking about.

hivemaster
hivemaster

@outsider Close your browser, re-open it, and then make a post here at MMR.  It'll become clear

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@collioure 

Ivy's tended towards personally banging on LiveFyre's door - thus her getting credit for its advancement

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@curt3rd

Where do you get the website costing 515 million?  The entire program isn't in the website.

curt3rd
curt3rd

@MrObvious @forgottenlord "I'd say that the debacle of the ACA website glitches is not a good example of best practices at work. More like doing things on the cheap"

I was unaware that 515 million was cheap for a website.  Facebook didnt even cost that much to build.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@forgottenlord @MrObvious 

Of course. Obamacare have for better or worse been given birth through bad communication and a poor introduction. Sure I blame Media for some, but it is what it is.

But despite all of that Obamas was reelected on it in a shaky economic recovery.

Somehow I think it will survive after all, as long as they get a handle on the glitches.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@MrObvious

Nobody but people who have nothing to do all day but gossip about the most pointless things are actually judging the ACA on that right now.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@forgottenlord @MrObvious 

I understand; but currently ACA is judged by the sign up problems. Not for the issue of premiums ricing in the future because people are having a problem signing up.

One is a glitch that jeopardize the success but it's not an indication that ACA is bad (like the morons who say that see how bad ACA is because people can't sign up). 

It's not like ACA will be any different if people couldn't sign up without issue.


forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@MrObvious

Actually, the problem is the ACA is going to be judged on the success of the exchanges because the exchanges are what are likely going to make or break ACA - if they start inflating because of the pre-existing coverage costs, that's going to cause huge problems.  The success of the exchanges can reasonably be attributed to whether the sign up process works.  We'll see what comes up....but I think this is a major concern.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@forgottenlord @MrObvious 

Seems like it; the glitches seems to be more then just a load problem. Seems like they did a terrible job at integrating all the different parts since 1 thing leads to another. I mean it's possible that they didn't get the funding done until the very last minute but I know how government bidding works and it's usually whomever can give them the best offer for the least amount of time.

It's a shame; it seems that ACA is judged by the sign up process existing on bad infrastructure instead of being about what it does.

It's not like removing pre-existing conditions is bad because someone has a hard time logging in. Nor does it change that once you're setup you're going to get insurance through whatever insurance company you picked and not the website itself.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@MrObvious

I'm betting they just bought some CMS, threw together a site, and thought it would work without testing to see if it actually work under heavy load.  Or determining what sort of infrastructure would be needed to support it.  Also seems like an obvious way to be the low bid option.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@forgottenlord @MrObvious 

True, he gets most of his craep from someone else.

I'd say that the debacle of the ACA website glitches is not a good example of best practices at work. More like doing things on the cheap. It's really not that hard to build a simple interface connecting to a database, the problem is always connecting all the moving parts. Now compare that to other government (fed, state and local) websites, be it IRS, SS, DMV etc that works flawlessly, even better then for profit websites.

I mean if it's 'government incompetence' then you have to wonder why the other stuff is working just fine?

fitty_three
fitty_three

@MrObvious

Have you noted how Pauline holds himself above the GOP?

Quite the swollen melon on that one.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@outsider @DonQuixotic @ahandout 

It's apt isn't it; some of the biggest whiners live in states where they have a relatively decent safety net (giving them a false sense of how it is for everyone else) whereas most of the people who'll suffer are in states where spending money on citizens are cut to the bone, while tax cuts are given to almost anyone to 'steal' jobs from a neighboring state.

outsider
outsider

@DonQuixotic @outsider @ahandout  

It's all fake anyway. He lives in Cali - he's just fine. 

It is the poor suckers in Red States that will suffer. 

Just like Paulie, who lives in a blue state; they can afford to be d|cks. They get theirs, thanks to everyone else. 

To hell with everyone else. 

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@outsider

He was partying in his bunker for the end of the world had come.  The reason he's so surly is because the Senate avoided it.