White House Cheers Senate Deal Without Declaring Victory

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White House press secretary Jay Carney at the daily briefing at the White House in Washington, D.C., on May 20, 2013.

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney applauded the bipartisan agreement that has provided an off-ramp to the weeks-long fiscal crises, but joined other White House aides in refusing to declare a political win over Republicans. “There are no winners here,” Carney told reporters an hour after the Senate deal was announced to end the shutdown and raise the debt limit.

A second act to the fiscal battles looms early next year, when Congress must vote again to fund the government and raise the debt limit. There is little sense of optimism that the fever that President Barack Obama predicted would break after the election—and that intensified over the past several weeks—will subside before the new deadlines.

“I think it’s fair to say that the experience that we’ve all had demonstrates that the kind of hyper-partisanship that was a problem in the past, especially in one House, continues to be a challenge,” Carney said.  “What odds do we set on cooperation and bipartisan compromise in the future? I don’t think we would put odds on that. We would simply hope that this experience, if and when it’s over, would remind all of us here that these kinds of crises only create harm to the American people and to the American economy. There are costs that have already been incurred because of shutdown, because of the flirtation with default, and they’re not retrievable.”

Buoyed by successfully keeping Republican demands at bay, the White House though has no plans to alter course. “Moving forward, the president’s going to take the same approach, with the same open-mindedness about compromise, that he has in the past,” Carney said.

In the short term, at least, that will mean engaging in budget negotiations with congressional Republicans. The Senate deal sets up bipartisan and bicameral talks to iron out an annual spending by December. Carney said Obama will insist that raising tax revenue be on the table in those discussions.  “Everything has to be on the table,” he said.

White House aides, who spent weeks saying it wouldn’t pay a ransom for Congress, made a small concession to Republicans — though they insist it was not a ransom. “The income verification provision to which you refer was negotiated by Senate Democrats and Senate Republicans and is a modest adjustment to the existing Affordable Care Act law,” said Carney. “We have always said we are willing to make improvements and adjustments to the law. Ransom would be a wholly different thing.”

But while it may not be ransom, it was at least a payoff. Last month the White House issued a veto threat on similar income verification language which would have required the Department of Health and Human Services Inspector General to certify that adequate income verification requirements were in place before providing subsidies under the healthcare law. A senior administration official said the Senate version would allow the HHS Secretary to certify that eligibility for subsidies is being adequately ascertained, and is therefore acceptable to the administration. A Senate Democratic leadership aide added that the IG would then have to produce a report on the income verification program.

“The HHS Secretary has already put in place an effective and efficient system for verification of eligibility for premium tax credits and cost sharing reductions,” the administration official said. “The role of the IG in the compromise bill is to perform a retrospective analysis, which is consistent with the traditional role of an IG, and will not impede or affect the provision of benefits to individuals through the ACA.”

With reporting by Alex Rogers/Washington

39 comments
ABulletForCinde
ABulletForCinde

GOP: "I'm sure we got something from this . . . I just don't know what."

MarcusTaylor
MarcusTaylor

A-ha-ha-ha-ha ... much ado about nothing ... and that's just what the Republicans got ... NOTHING!

I want everyone to remember that this "shut-down" was plotted for months by a coalition of more than three dozen conservative groups led by Edwin Meese III.  You remember Ed Meese. He was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, who was forced to resign in the Wedtech scandal while under investigation by a special prosecutor.  

This is not about Obamacare (AND NEVER WAS) ... they got together and planned and plotted and schemed to bring this country down! ... DON'T FORGET IN 2014.

mak4374
mak4374

Wait, I...must be missing something.  Even thought this was one provision that the Democrats did not want, afterwards they actually worked on to correct.  And when the teabaggers almost brought down the world economy because they didn't want Obamacare...they can claim victory on a provision already been worked on, of a law they bet everything against?


I guess the logic of the absurd escapes me.

wdfc
wdfc

if the republicans have "won" ANYTHING, even 1 thing,  then it is a failure, it is a concession.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

And the American Public now sees the Tea Party for the virus that they are.


Unfavorable views of the tea party have nearly doubled over the past two years, making the conservative movement more unpopular than ever, a Pew Research survey released Wednesday finds. Forty-nine percent of Americans now view the tea party unfavorably, while just 30 percent view it favorably -- an 11-point net drop since just this June.

The loss of esteem crosses party lines. A bare majority of Republicans still view the tea party favorably, while 30 percent of independents and 13 percent of Democrats do.

JohnDahodi
JohnDahodi

KAMIKAZE BY THE GOP? In the last 10 days uncivilized, undemocratic and senseless GOP drama lead by few hardcore Conservative and tea-party members of Republican party has spoiled the name, reputation and prestige of the entire Republican party. John Boehner and his leadership found to be childish, unpatriotic and un-American. He should resign soon from the speaker position and allow other able hands and mature mind take it over his job. In this childish game; Obama did well; keeping his head and mind cool and allowed the grumpy kids to play their own game crying, shouting and yelling to each other without any purpose. Looks like; the Republican party is seating on the cliff and few unorganized, immature and empty headed kids are pushing it in to the deep canyon. I read the writing on the wall "GOP is RIP here".   

j45ashton
j45ashton

Liastening to Republican reactions in the aftermath, some are something like: "Gee, no fair.  When others pulled this stunt, they always got something.  How come we didn't.  No fair."

Then Ted Cruz is out there doing some kind of victory dance.  Which is strange because the only things he really accomplished were upsetting & dividing the Republican Party and making his own name mud with all but the radical right fringe.

But Newt Gingrich has been cheering him on and with good reason.  There is a direct correlation between the bitterness & attack of Gingrich circa 1995-6 and Cruz.  It was Gingrich who really started the focused acrimony that served to father Cruz.  

shepherdwong
shepherdwong

”'There are no winners here,'” Carney told reporters an hour after the Senate deal was announced to end the shutdown and raise the debt limit."

Carney is right. Even if the GOP has taken a hit in popularity (and respectability), we have underfunded government, cost the nation $billions by shutting down the government for weeks, caused incalculable chaos and insecurity by shutting down the government and threatening default, and done nothing to prevent similar economic terrorism and catastrophe in the future.

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

"Carney said Obama will insist that raising tax revenue be on the table in those discussions."

The "on the table" part is a bit wishy-washy but at least "insist" may now mean something.

expressathought
expressathought

5 years of filibuster, obstruction, and votes of no.

Remember and return the favor.

2014 Republicans = Vote NO.

La_Randy
La_Randy

@MarcusTaylor Actually they won the continuation of the sequester. This will continue to cause harm to the country. They will now turn to deficit fear mongering to cut entitlements like social security and medicare. This is no time to let down your guard or discount their resolve.

billbear1961
billbear1961

@MarcusTaylor I think the President should try to find a way to take the debt ceiling fiasco AWAY from Congress to avoid future hostage-taking. Since the legislative branch has proven it is reluctant to do its constitutional duty to defend the validity of the public debt of the USA, the Executive is justified, in my opinion, to take on that role if it can find a legal way to do so.

ALSO, I believe STRONGLY that there should be a thorough investigation into this coup attempt, and that the findings should be made public. Those who tried to bring our democracy to its knees, and who threatened to unleash economic RUIN upon their own country if we did not bow to their ruthless and tyrannical will, should be held ACCOUNTABLE.

If ANYONE has profited financially from this shutdown and delay in lifting the debt ceiling--as I have heard is the case with ERIC CANTOR--he should be hounded from office for his infamous and mercenary BETRAYAL of his country!

A major political party has just made a serious and all-out attempt to subvert American democracy and threatened to DESTROY their own country if we refused to do their tyrannical bidding!

This is most decidedly NOT "business as usual," and they must ANSWER FOR IT!! 

manlyman
manlyman

Go away racist taylor. You breed nothing but hate. You condone and defend every evil this monster-in-cheif brings down on this great nation, and you do it for one reason and one reason only: BECAUSE HE'S BLACK!! Do not pretend for one second that it's anything else. That sir is the true definition of racism. Your people do not suffer because of the white man, they suffer from the hatred you spew, and the poison you spread to your children before they're even old enough to see. You doom them before their life even starts. Shame on you! If obama was white you would not be on here, you know it, and I know it. I see right through you. Go away!

manlyman
manlyman

I think a lot of things escape you mak. Reality especially.

bryanfred1
bryanfred1

@wdfc You don't find that attitude ironic given what got us to this point?

PaulDirks
PaulDirks

@wdfc The Tea party now has first-hand knowledge of how effective their hostage taking is. I don't think we'll be seeing repeats any time soon.


manlyman
manlyman

The teaparty numbers in the millions mantsyboy. Who exactly is this American public you speak of?

bryanfred1
bryanfred1

@mantisdragon91 Interestingly, Cruz weakened the Tea Party caucus through his strategies.  By opposing the House bill that Boehner was pushing, Boehner was able to instead introduce the Senate bill and get it passed on a bipartisan basis.  By isolating himself, Cruz likely made Congress more likely to get things done going forward with votes coming from both parties.  Republicans knew they would take the blame for a default (despite both Obama and House Democrats insisting they would not negotiate...how does that work?) and faced a choice of breaking the logjam or going down with the ship.  Only a relative few wanted the second option, now they're on the outside looking in.  I expect you'll see a lot of primary challenges to Tea Party incumbents next year.

manlyman
manlyman

Ted cruz has not yet begun to fight. The gop as we know it is about as conservative as lady gaga, and needs to be toppled. Go Ted go!

shepherdwong
shepherdwong

Actually, i was wrong about Carney being right. There is one tiny group of winners here. The degenerates among the 0.1% who write the rules and reap most of the material rewards in this country. Our oligarchs always win, especially when confidence in government erodes.

shepherdwong
shepherdwong

@expressathought  

"It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!" Oliver Cromwell (H/T Martin Bashir)

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Long_Parliament

ABulletForCinde
ABulletForCinde

@billbear1961 @MarcusTaylor The problem is that there's no way Obama (or any prez) can do that. The Constitution states that Congress exercises the power of the purse, and the authority to borrow. Obama may invoked the "full-faith" clause, or mint a trillion-dollar coin, but I don't think it would that be easy.

TyPollard
TyPollard

@manlyman 

It's 2013 but apparently only old white manlymen get to decide what is and isn't racism and surprise, surprise it seem as if manlymen have decided only people of color and liberals can be racists. 

Good to know.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@manlyman Poor Manly. Your party just ran from their self create Alamo. and here you are trolling.

mak4374
mak4374

@manlyman I agree with you.  Totally.  It is in the Socratic spirit of, "All I know, is that I don't know", that I made my inquest.

The problem I see is that, not many have attempted to resolve my puzzlement.  Much less, actually resolve it.

But thank you for contributing...to the absurdity.

tom.litton
tom.litton

@bryanfred1 @wdfc Why?  They got concessions and gave nothing back in return.  In that sense, they won.  It may not have been as much as they wanted, but still a victory nonetheless.

Now they may end up loosing the war because their tactics may backfire at the polls, but that is a separate issue.  

If they aren't punished at the polls, i can see them doing this over and over again.  Why wouldn't they?  They now have a track record of getting concessions (although minor ones), with no consequences to them.

manlyman
manlyman

Is that so dirks? You have noooo idea buddy. It's a comin'!

tom.litton
tom.litton

@PaulDirks @wdfc Well they did get a concession.  It may not be as effective as they wanted, but it wasn't an entire failure either.

bobcn
bobcn

@manlyman

"Who exactly is this American public you speak of?"

Finally this troll admits his ignorance.

manlyman
manlyman

Cutty copy pasty. Good work wang.

billbear1961
billbear1961

@ABulletForCinde @billbear1961 @MarcusTaylor Then, there must be some mechanism by which the Executive can MAKE the legislative branch DO THEIR JOB.

If there isn't, if it depends merely upon "good faith," we are in serious trouble.

It would mean we've uncovered a serious and potentially fatal flaw in our system of government, ripe for exploitation by those who DESPISE true democracy (majority rule) and have nothing but CONTEMPT for the General Welfare, and who mean to undermine BOTH--to the point where they're nothing but EMPTY WORDS, a charade, a pantomime.

Gee, I wonder who those FASCISTS might be!

I just can't imagine!






tom.litton
tom.litton

@bryanfred1 @tom.litton @wdfc I disagree.  

The democrats started out with accepting the sequestration level cuts.  Basically they agreed to keep things exactly the way they are for about a month to work out an agreement.

But the republicans wanted something the knew the democrats where never going to give. 

So the democrats wanted nothing and the republicans wanted to negotiate how much concessions from the democrats they would get.  It's reasonable to expect the democrats to say no to that (i.e. no negotiations).  It isn't equivalent at all. 

Now if Obama refused to sign any CR or debt agreement that didn't end sequestration or raise taxes, then it would have been equivalent.

Or if the republicans wanted entitlement cuts, and were willing to give in on taxes, then you could blame the democrats for not negotiating.

bryanfred1
bryanfred1

@tom.litton @bryanfred1 @wdfc My point was his "give them not one thing" attitude is exactly the same as the Tea Partiers'.  I think the Tea Party Caucus hurt itself, because more moderate Republicans teamed with Democrats to get this passed.  Now that we see how they can be worked around, they will be more marginalized.