Morning Must Reads: October 15

In the News: Senate inching toward a deal, why Iran doesn't trust America, and what the NSA is collecting now

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The US Capitol in Washington is seen on September 30, 2013 , a day before the government shutdown began.

  • NSA Collects Millions of Email Address Books Globally: “The National Security Agency is harvesting hundreds of millions of contact lists from personal e-mail and instant messaging accounts around the world, many of them belonging to Americans, according to senior intelligence officials and top-secret documents provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.” [Washington Post]
  • Four Good Reasons Why Iran Doesn’t Trust America: ….”But as Iran and Western negotiators sit down in Geneva today, it’s worth considering some of the reasons why Iran bears such animus toward America, and why cutting a deal with the U.S. won’t be easy for Tehran either. Many of those reasons have to do with the basic Islamic fundamentalist philosophy of Iran’s clerical leaders, to be sure. But as the nuclear talks move forward, it’s worth remembering that the U.S. bears some blame for the poisoned state of the relationship between the two countries.” [TIME]
  • The Shutdown and John Boehner’s Moment in History [TIME]
  • Critical caucus meetings for John Boehner, Mitch McConnell: “Both the House speaker and Senate Republican leader go into meetings with their GOP colleagues this morning to determine if they should accept a Democratic offer to end the two-week government shutdown and avoid a potentially catastrophic default on $16.7 trillion in U.S. debt.” [Politico]
  • Senate Women Lead an Effort to Find Accord: Senator Susan Collins (R-Maine), Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), and Kelly Ayotte (R- N.H.) formed the bipartisan group whose “whose negotiating framework formed the centerpiece of a tentative Senate deal nearing completion Monday to reopen the federal government and avert a disastrous default.” [NYT]
  • The Affirmative Action Case Liberals Deserve to Lose [Slate]
  • Sarah Palin: Barack Obama Flirts With Impeachment [Politico]

1033 comments
hivemaster
hivemaster

Are the Sheriffs sleeping in this morning?

notsacredh
notsacredh

John Boehner's Big Misadventure

Tequila!

MrObvious
MrObvious

Looks like GOP is willing to destroy our economy so they don't have to take the biatch slap and move on.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

So the DoA House proposal might not even get past the House as the Heritage Foundation is rallying against it.

MementoMori
MementoMori

USA TODAY "Balances" Hundreds Of Scientists With Fossil-Fuel Backed Group

USA TODAY became the latest mainstream newspaper to incorrectly "balance" the views of the hundreds of scientists behind a major climate report with the the Heartland Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded organization that once compared those who accept climate science to the "Unabomber." In an op-ed published by the newspaper Tuesday, the head of the organization portrayed outright falsehoods as simply "opinion" in order to dismiss the United Nations panel behind the report as a "discredited oracle."

It's also worth noting that the Heartland Institute also believes there's no link between cancer and cigarette smoking, seat belts don't save lives, transfats aren't bad for you, and a variety of other things that the scientific community disagrees with.

Of course, they're paid by corporations to not believe in science. It's a bad excuse, but it's a better excuse than the rubes who believe the Heartland Institute.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

Am I the only one who pictures Paule Walnuts from the Sopranos every time Paule posts his hate filled dreck?

Sue_N
Sue_N

@fitty_three I no longer feel any sympathy for Orange Johnny. His own spinelessness has damned him.

hivemaster
hivemaster

@MrObvious Word is, they're going to pass a bill they know neither the Senate or Prez will tolerate, and try to slink out of town like whipped dogs, leaving it in Obama's lap to prevent the default.

collioure
collioure

@forgottenlord  

There's no agreement in the House tonight.  They've ordered pizza.

I doubt this will be solved before next week.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@MementoMori 

I was listening to Michael Medved today. In a segment he had 2 climate change deniers talking about how the air was actually getting colder and that if the climate change was really happening how was it that the oceans were getting warmer.They were so called scientists. What a fudging waste of flesh.

He also had a borderline mental whiplash, between saying that it was disastrous for GOP and they should never have done it and that Obamacare is the law but that this could all been avoided if Obama just caved in.

ODS. 

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@MementoMori 

The corporations believe in Science - they use science all the time to make their products - they just pay people to not believe in Science so they can make more money.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@MementoMori  

Balance is not something done in science.  Balance in science is:

 "..., but see (soandso, 1996) for a dissenting opinion."

notsacredh
notsacredh

@hivemaster, NEVER go to a movie with Pee Wee and reach for popcorn if it's in his lap. You can't believe it's not butter? you're right, it's not.

hivemaster
hivemaster

@Sue_N People's blind spots just amaze me.  Why be Speaker if a handful of Teapers are pulling your strings?   

fitty_three
fitty_three

@Sue_NN

I noticed the House rule change gave Cantor the power to control what goes to the floor or not. Plus, I see he was the one that announced the vote failure tonight. Has Boehner been preempted from bringing the Senate version to the floor for a vote?

outsider
outsider

@hivemaster @forgottenlord  

There is a group of moderates who are threatening to primary the tp candidates, with backing from big business. 

But whether it's bluster as a result of frustration remains to be seen. 

MementoMori
MementoMori

@MrObvious @MementoMori  I'll bet you a beer that they were Heartland Institute hacks (if not, then AEI), They send a lot around to rightwing radio shows. It's a direct line to the ODS rubes.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@MrObvious

ODS?

And I love the idea that the oceans getting warmer mean that the climate isn't getting warmer.

hivemaster
hivemaster

@Sue_N Unfortunately, we're about 25 hours from default.  I don't think we can wait for them to get all the way home.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@Sue_N

Well, now the poo is on the other foot. I'm hoping for definitive action that doesn't leave any loose ends that can unravel in unpredictable ways.  With so many people armed and hyped by rabid propaganda, there could actually be limited insurrection. I may be nuts, but given this very unique situation, I think rapidly imposed fait accompli such as the 14th might be preferable.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@fitty_three @Sue_N Ah, yes, the Killer Ds and the Texas Eleven. Good times. Back when there were enough Texas Democrats to make a difference. *sigh*

I know Perry threatened to send the Texas Rangers after them. The whole thing crumbled when one senator lost his nerve and returned to Texas. And in the end, DeLay won.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@Sue_N

It reminds me of when Democrats fled to prevent a quorum from being present for DeLays' gerrymandering effort. The cause obviously is not similar but I can see the confusion that would follow.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@TyPollard @Sue_N @hivemaster @MrObvious How about this for a bit of deliciousness?

Of course, House Republicans are nothing if not prone to defy this President, but the House rules account for the very circumstance where lawmakers try to prevent the lower house of Congress from operating by refusing to show up to work. Under those rules, “[i]n the absence of a quorum, a majority comprising at least 15 Members . . . may compel the attendance of absent members.” Once such a vote takes place, the House Sergeant-at-Arms may send officers “to arrest those Members for whom no sufficient excuse is made and shall secure and retain their attendance.” So if House Republicans try to flee town, they can be kept at work by force of law.

notsacredh
notsacredh

Boehner

Boehner: I'll take my pizza on the rocks with a twist.



 

TyPollard
TyPollard

@collioure @forgottenlord 

You're all wrong. 

Toppings promote moochers being dependent on goodies provided by someone else. 

NO TOPPINGS or else they will burn down the pizza shop.

hivemaster
hivemaster

@outsider @hivemaster @forgottenlord What the GOP is failing to realize is that there will BE no effective TP candidate to challenge ANY House member without business money.  It really doesn't matter how irate the crazies are.  If there is no backing, there is no TP.  They need money to unseat someone.

MementoMori
MementoMori

@MrObvious @MementoMori  "I think this is all just a way for Obama and the UN to take away our Freedoms and turn Americans into a socialist bunch of Yore-O-Peans. I heard about that Agenda 21 on Rush's show and..."

Yeah, I can almost imagine the calls...

MrObvious
MrObvious

@MementoMori @MrObvious 

I'm sure they were. And of course the dumbarse listeners called in and was professing their undying love for the stupid.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@forgottenlord @MrObvious

Water does not work like a heat sink

That was sarcasm and pretty much their pov

Of course water acts like a heat sink. Anyone that swim in a lake during the summer and compare it to the fall can tell you that.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@MrObvious

Well...it probably does, but heat sinks raise in temperature as the thing it's heat sinking raises in temperature.  That compares to, say, a refrigerator which actually increases in temperature to lower the temperature of whatever it's strapped to.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@forgottenlord @MrObvious 

Obama derangement syndrome. 

Yes - these were 'climate scientists'. Just take their words for it.

Water does not work like a heat sink.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@mantisdragon91  

He actually sounds a little bit like -- well -- archie bunker.

Is there some unifying principle at play here?

fitty_three
fitty_three

@MementoMori

Oh, fjark yes.  Conspristissies aside, maybe paulejb was his son after he divorced marge.