Four Good Reasons Why Iran Doesn’t Trust America

A brief survey of justifiable Iranian resentment

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Iran's President Hassan Rouhani speaks at his first press conference since taking office, at the presidency compound in Tehran, on Aug. 6, 2013

One basic obstacle for the new round of talks over Iran’s nuclear program that open today will be America’s basic distrust of the Iranian regime. Before striking any deal with Tehran, the Obama Administration will have to gauge whether a country where hostility toward the U.S. has been a core political theme since 1979 is acting in good faith. That could be a hard notion to swallow, given that some Iranian leaders still call America the Great Satan, and that Iran still celebrates the 1979 takeover of the U.S. embassy in Tehran with a national holiday.

But as Iran and Western negotiators sit down in Geneva today, it’s worth considering some of the reasons why Iran bears such animus toward America, and why cutting a deal with the U.S. won’t be easy for Tehran either. Many of those reasons have to do with the basic Islamic fundamentalist philosophy of Iran’s clerical leaders, to be sure. But as the nuclear talks move forward, it’s worth remembering that the U.S. bears some blame for the poisoned state of the relationship between the two countries.

Consider the way Bill Clinton — then seeking a thaw with Iran — once put it. “It may be that the Iranian people have been taught to hate or distrust the United States or the West on the grounds that we are infidels and outside the faith,” Clinton said in April 1999. “I think it is important to recognize, however, that Iran … has been the subject of quite a lot of abuse from various Western nations. And I think sometimes it’s quite important to tell people, ‘Look, you have a right to be angry’” at things the U.S. has done. Here are four of them:

1. The Coup and the Shah

Iran’s 1979 revolution overthrew a monarch who had become despised for his corruption and political repression. The Iranian Shah was also known as a puppet of the U.S., thanks in part to his installation by a 1953 coup widely believed to be the handiwork of the CIA, after the Eisenhower Administration grew alarmed that Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh was drifting into the Soviet orbit. “It it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs,” Secretary of State Madeleine Albright conceded in a 2000 address, which also acknowledged that the U.S. gave “sustained backing” to the Shah’s regime, which, she admitted, “brutally repressed political dissent.”

In what may have been a gesture of contrition, the CIA finally admitted to its role on the coup’s 60th anniversary this summer. But all is not yet forgiven in Tehran, where Iran’s parliament recently gave preliminary approval for suing the U.S. in international court for staging the coup.

(MORE: Obama’s Top WMD Ex-Official on the Iran Nuclear Talks)

2. Iraq and Chemical Weapons

When Iran fought a brutal eight-year war against Iraq from 1980 to 1988, Tehran felt that it was also fighting a shadow enemy: the U.S. Saddam Hussein was sustained for much of the war by arms, money and intelligence assistance that flowed from Washington. Most infuriating for some Iranians, the U.S. tolerated and even aided Saddam’s repeated large-scale chemical attacks on Iranian forces using sarin and mustard gas. By some accounts, America actually assisted Iraq with intelligence like satellite imagery and maps in advance of what Washington knew would be gas attacks. (To Iranians aware of that history, Barack Obama’s outrage over his “red line” in Syria had a hypocritical ring.) “Aspects of U.S. policy toward Iraq during its conflict with Iran appear now to have been regrettably shortsighted,” Albright said in 2000.

3. Iran Air 655

In the summer of 1988, American warships were patrolling the Strait of Hormuz to protect commercial shipping, including oil tankers, during the Iran-Iraq conflict. It was perilous duty: a year earlier, an Iraqi jet had mistakenly fired a missile into a U.S. Navy ship, killing 37 Americans. And on the morning of July 3, a helicopter from the Navy guided-missile cruiser U.S.S. Vincennes came under fire from Iranian patrol boats.

With the Vincennes in pursuit of the Iranians, Iran Air flight 655 departed from Bandar Abbas in southern Iran, en route to Dubai. As the Airbus jet headed toward the Vincennes, the Americans misidentified the Iranian jet as a hostile fighter — Iranian fighter jets sometimes also took off from Bandar Abbas — and the Vincennes fired two surface-to-air missiles that destroyed the plane. Two hundred and seventy four passengers and 16 crew were killed, nearly all of them Iranians.

The U.S. paid $61.8 million to the Iranian victims’ families. But America has never admitted responsibility or apologized. And Iran has not forgotten: Iranian state television aired a documentary on the 25th anniversary of the tragedy this summer. An official Iranian government Twitter account noted, “Our civilian plane was shot down by U.S. warship in Persian Gulf, killing all 300. They awarded its captain medal of honor.” (Two top officers on the Vincennes were later awarded medals, though not for the Iran Air incident.) And an official Facebook page for Iran’s Supreme Leader posted this hard-to-forget image.

(VIDEO: Rouhani Takes New Approach at U.N. General Assembly)

4. The ‘Axis of Evil’ and Regime Change

In the late 1990s Iran and the U.S. made efforts at a diplomatic thaw. After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the two countries cooperated against the Taliban in Afghanistan, and some diplomats saw a chance for a breakthrough. But in his January 2002 State of the Union address, George W. Bush described Iran as a member — along with Iraq and North Korea — of an “axis of evil” that threatened the civilized world. The line surprised and outraged Iran. According to Ryan Crocker, then a U.S. diplomat in Kabul who was engaged in talks with Iranian officials, it crushed momentum toward a rapprochement. “We were just that close,” Crocker recently told the New Yorker. “One word in one speech changed history.”

Some current and former U.S. officials call that an overstatement. But more serious for Iran than Bush’s “evil” insult is the belief that Washington’s goal is not simply to stop Iran’s nuclear program, but to replace the country’s Islamist regime entirely. Prominent figures like GOP Senator John McCain have openly called for a U.S.-backed regime change, an idea that President Obama felt compelled to address in his Sept. 24 speech to the U.N.: “We are not seeking regime change” Obama assured.

Whether Iran buys that assurance is critical to whether a nuclear deal can be struck. Iran’s leaders are well aware, after all, that Saddam might still be in power if he’d had a bomb.

MORE: What an Iran Deal Would Look Like

134 comments
Violet.Morrison
Violet.Morrison

I was so excited to finally find an article that actually sheds some light about conflicts between the U.S and Iran from their point of view. It's truly a wonderful feeling knowing that there are people out there that can understand the perspective from both sides. With that said, It's also wonderful to have recognized that many of those who have commented on this article are incapable of doing just that. I finally saw a glimmer of hope in humanity and you idiots ruined it. 


The comments of this article are truly vile. In fact, as I was reading through these comments, my hope in humanity began to dwindle away. Not all of the comments here are entirely terrible, but there's simply not enough to survive in this blood-bath of accusations and quite simply put, idiocy. If you want to argue against this topic and article please do so intelligently. Simply stated, if you know very little about what you're stating, you do not belong here. And as from what I can tell, many of you do not belong here. And if your purpose is to discriminate, please do so elsewhere. Particularly in your head. Where nobody can hear you speak. Because nobody should have to listen to/read your ignorant thoughts. And I hope if you people ever openly discriminate against a group of people ever again, you get punched in the face. Because that's what I wanted to do while reading many of these comments. I wanted to punch you all. In the face. So you could no longer punish us with your ignorance.  


It's very tragic indeed because this article was supposed to help individuals understand from a different point of view and the objective has failed greatly. It has not failed because the article itself is false, it has failed because it's trying to reach out to a society that is clouded with ignorant individuals who can't let go of their ethnocentric views. And then after you select idiots tried gracing all of us with your ignorance about the conflict with Iran, you did the unthinkable. You attacked each other. Because apparently you have nothing better to do than to argue with people over the internet about something that no longer has any relation to the topic of the article. I applaud you all, I really do. Only morons can achieve that. 


So thank you, ignorant fools. All I wanted to do was read an interesting article and expand my knowledge and instead I lost some brain cells.


May15thProphecy
May15thProphecy

LastDayWatchers understand the meaning to "Thou hast consulted shame to thy house by cutting off many people, Thou hast counselled a shameful thing to thy house, To cut off many peoples and You have devised shame to your house, by cutting off many peoples"


George W. Bush described Iran as a member — along with Iraq and North Korea — of an “axis of evil” that threatened the civilized world. 

The line surprised and outraged Iran. According to Ryan Crocker, then a U.S. diplomat in Kabul who was engaged in talks with Iranian officials, it crushed momentum toward a rapprochement. 
“We were just that close,” Crocker recently told the New Yorker. “One word in one speech changed history.” 

Which add to the history 
Iran Air flight 655 departed from Bandar Abbas in southern Iran, en route to Dubai. As the Airbus jet headed toward the Vincennes, the Americans misidentified the Iranian jet as a hostile fighter — Iranian fighter jets sometimes also took off from Bandar Abbas — and the Vincennes fired two surface-to-air missiles that destroyed the plane. 
Two hundred and seventy four passengers and 16 crew were killed, nearly all of them Iranians, “Our civilian plane was shot down by U.S. warship in Persian Gulf, killing all 300. They awarded its captain medal of honor.” 

That you may know the 100% accuracy of God's Word; inside the May 5th Prophecy written at LastDayWatchers  

cj980088
cj980088

What a load of bogwash. The US was behind the Iranian revolution. How many countries has Amerika illegally attacked since WW2? Too many to list here!! You cannot mistakenly misidentify a passenger plane, they have transponders. The US was actually assisting Iraq with its targeting of Iranian positions with chemical weapons. The axis of evil...lets see, who could they be...(scratching head)...I know, "Amerika, Britain and Israel"?lol


The fact is, since Iran got a new political leader, they have been forced to play a straight game in the public eye, because this new guy comes over as a very nice guy. I suspect the axis of evil will be hatching another dreadful plan such as another massive false flag!!lol

SweetSAY
SweetSAY

America has miss-read the guiding principles of Regime of Iran for over 30-yr's.
it would only be Fair to say the Author's statement when compared to  "why a Criminal running from Law does not trust Police authorities" ... US knows Iran's Regime  to be responsible for harsh violator of human-rights & sponsor of Terrorism. 

Iran's Regime has been proud of doing Harm to America by Open Act of Terrorism and support of Terror Groups.IRAN's Constitution is the "Key to all trouble's the cause"... they are following their Rules!  anyone who would READ it would come to conclusion! ... one would understand that their terror groups internally & externally (i.e.: Ghods Militia Forces) are meant to take over the world  in accordance to primitive Fundamental beliefs.  it it their Law look at this documentry about their "guiding principles of extreme Doctorine for holding the world Hostage"  : iraniumthemovie.com  ! 

RohintonIrani
RohintonIrani

Bravo ! Michael for stating the OBVIOUS !

Which leads to the next Logical Question ?....WHY ? do Americans Hate Iran ? !


Because of the Revolution,and the Hostage Crisis ?....NEITHER would have happened If The C.I.A.,and The British OVERTHREW Iran's DEMOCRATICALY ELECTED President !

Which The C.I.A. FINALY ADMMITED ! Recently.

Let me REPEAT that : DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED !....and Installed a ' PUPPET ' ! as a Dictator !

How long would it be,before The NUKES Started FLYING !

If Iran,or another Soverign Country TRIED to OVERTHROW Our DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED President !

So The HATERED Towards Iran is Self-Inflicted !

As a Zoroastrian,I Truly HOPE that President Obama will FINNALY Re-establish Normal Relations with Persia.

And have his ' Nixon goes to China ' Moment.

The ONLY thing standing in this course of action ? Is sitting in Tel-aviv,with a Man who has so much BLIND HATRED for Persia !

He will stop at NOTHING,including LYING !, to see Normal Relations bettween The U.S. and Persia.

A man who is so afraid of Iran's alleged Nuclear Program ( allleged ? ).

That he himself WILL NOT Acknowledge, that HIS COUNTRY has over 200  + NUKES POINTED at PERSIA !

That Former Pres. carter has ACKNOWLEGED Time,and again !

Good Luck Pres. Obama

By the Grace of Ahura Mazda





drudown
drudown

To be sure,  a “default” is as much a “default” as it is Treason.

Show us the express legal authority that allows the Congress to intentionally harm the United States due to some dilatory tactic or alleged "ideological" reason?

Like nearly every other instance requiring a public servant in a Fiduciary relationship to provide a full disclosure of all material facts, the evidentiary record is not only replete with comparable instances of deliberate deception (see, e.g., “Obamacare will result in Death Panels”; “Clean Skies Act makes them dirtier to breathe”; “the failure of the Bush Administration to act on the FBI’s “Phoenix memos” describing the pertinent Al Qaeda operatives in the US the month before the attacks”, et al.)…but this “a default is not a default”…that sure sounds a lot like “there ARE WMDs in Iraq” or “credit-default swaps are safe, prudent investments.” None of these GOP statements proved to be true. 

Why should the People be forced to be led into Harm's Way by the consideration of Foreign bribes payable only to you?

Asking the People to uncritically adopt the equally absurd fiction that the Reagan/Bush/Cheney regime “relied on bad intelligence” as “the reason” the US was led into such a costly and protracted regional conflict, so too, is the (drumroll, please) inevitable “procedural glitch” or “technicality” going to be predictably cited by the “Decider” of the “sequestration’”, “shut down” and purposeful “default” of the US. But at what point up to midnight tonight can the People rely on the Presdient of the United States to ensure that the integrity of the Armed Forces remains intact. Perhaps issuing a court-approved injunction prohibiting ANY pecuniary gain by “shorting” Treasuries- or stating the express intent of the State to investigate, recapture and prosecute ANY source of funds (Foreign or Domestic) to “plan, devise, conspire or otherwise take affirmative steps” to foreseeably injure the United States by such Treason. 

Here, like the Debt Ceiling Act, the pre-meditated “plan” to “default” on the United States’ obligations has a direct nexus to Grover Norquist having the Decider’s blessing. The Decider and Grover Norquist must be conspiring together because it is axiomatic that the “effect” of the rigid “no new taxes, ever” contractual agreement that EVERY member of the GOP Congress has signed ultimately- if not proximately caused- the very “risk of total World Collapse” or “America is finished” sort of narrative that any upright, honorable Patriot and American would adamantly oppose because it obviously is being leveraged by the Reagan/Bush/Cheney regime (or “Decider”) to consolidate power at the expense of the Founding Fathers’ system of government.

 Either way, we should collectively take this opportunity to acknowledge that it is not- as the Media reports- a "republican party in revolt against each other-  the Congress is being strangled by the Decider. 

Now, I “get it”, Mr. “Decider” that you would like the “deregulation” of the Fairness Act to “subjectively” mean there is no more rules and regulations on the Media- including such patently untrue statements regarding the Commander in Chief, but how or why would any educated, reasonable or half-way rational citizen of the United States acquiesce to the notion that your “discretionary” judgment is (a) preferable to the solvent, Clinton Administration regime that took affirmative steps to work in good faith with Allies instead of intentionally alienating the US from strategic partnerships, much less that (b) it is not an outright act of Treason to allow your Foreign partners and donors to directly or indirectly influence US policy without even the slightest Legitimate State Interest purporting to justify the State Action, i.e., creating the “doubt” or “uncertainty” that your own malfeasance created. It is actually just another example of how the Decider doesn’t really care if the People suffer.

If you are a leader in this Nation...it is time to demand testimony under oath as to how this Corruption by Foreign money was not purged for the good of the State. 

Spare us your Treasonous excuses, Congress. You shall feel Justice and all its weight.

"The truth is always the strongest argument." - Sophocles 

CYTG2500
CYTG2500

And….

5. U.S. is not an unbiased actor in the region. Much of the U.S. Congress and foreign policy apparatus get their talking points from Tel Aviv and AIPAC. You can expect a resolution of support from Congress if you're Israel no matter the amount of death and destruction that you bring upon your neighbors. You don’t show up on the nuclear map of the world! If you're the Saudi or Bahrain government (providing oil and military base) U.S. is willing to turn a blind eye to many of your domestic abuses. You can even send armored columns to a neighboring country to suppress its population. If you are U.A.E, you can even get away with modern slavery.

If you’re Iran, you get several generations worth of sanctions!

AjaxLessome
AjaxLessome

Since the Iranian Revolution of 1979, the relationship between the United States and Iran has transformed from staunch allies to intractable opponents.  Today, Iran’s nuclear ambitions, support of terrorism and blatant violations of human rights constitute some of the most complex and pressing challenges facing the United States.This problem is exacerbated by growing pessimism about whether the international community’s diplomatic efforts can compel Iran to comply with its obligations under international law. This report draws on diverse branches of substantive international law and shows that Iran is in violation of over 50 international laws.  While diplomacy has failed to gain traction, Iran continues to blatantly violate the rights of its citizens, support international terrorism, and advance its nuclear program to the point where it is now well within striking distance of having a nuclear weapon.  Clearly, Iran’s violations of international law pose a grave and pressing threat to the United States and the international community as a whole.

 

valentine.godoflove
valentine.godoflove

IN CAPS SO SENIORS MAY READ....I DEFEND THE WEAK AGAINST OPPRESSORS

IRAN DOES NOT TRUST AMERICA......WHAT A STUPID HEADLINE.......WHO IS THE GENIUS THAT THOUGHT OF THIS ONE....AMERICA SHOULD NOT TRUST IRAN EITHER.....TIME WRITERS ARE IDIOTS.....STALIN WOULD HAVE THIS ONE SHOT FOR STUPIDITY AND LACK OF COMMON SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VALENTINE, COMDIAN.....LOL


UleNotknow
UleNotknow

"Iran doesn't trust the U.S." Oh my! We're cut to the quick.

kev3334
kev3334

How can Iranian officials feign anger over US support for the repressive shah when they are even more repressive than he was?  Before Iran's illegal state backed hostage taking Americans bore no ill will toward Iran.    US officials have expressed regret over the US role in the 1953 coup while Iranian officials still treat the day they took Americans hostage as a national holiday.  You don't see Americans chanting "Death to Iran".  I don't care if they trust the US or not.  How can Iran be trusted when they are still lying through their teeth about the very nature of their nuclear program?  Everybody knows Iran had a nuclear weapons program in the past even if it isn't active today and they still refuse to come clean or answer questions.  They seem to think they still have plausible deniability.  In fact that ship sailed long ago.

WaldoHistoria
WaldoHistoria

They have and always will be killing each other in the middle-east whether we interfere or not.. The only thing that unites them is their hatred for western culture and Christianity.

EarthView
EarthView

@SweetSAY So, have you read the Iranian constitution? What aspects of it do you think are sinister? You have no idea what you are talking about.

Iran has not committed any acts of terror. In fact, Iran is the victim of terrorism by the U.S. and Israel. What, you haven't heard about the assassination of Iranian scientists and the Stuxnet and Flame computer viruses? There are other examples that I don't have the time to explain to you.

SweetSAY
SweetSAY

@RohintonIrani   forgetting the human-rights super-abuse of Iran's regime....

read their Constitution to realize what they are about -- to perform their Primitive Ideological  beliefs.
our stance with Iran's regime should be the same as the "No Negotiating with Terrorists" -- this documentary is made by an Israeli NGO and the host who speaks is a prominent Oscar winning Actress  Iranian who is much active in Iranian American community : 
iraniumthemovie.com

EarthView
EarthView

@drudown What does all this have to do with the subject of this article?

EarthView
EarthView

@AjaxLessome Nonsense. The situation with human rights is not much better in the U.S., where almost 1% of the population is in prison, the highest incarceration rate in the world. The U.S. also engages in torture and its justice system is a joke. You can convict a ham sandwich in northern Virginia for attacking the cheese and send it to prison for 30 years. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

And, what about the totally dysfunctional government in Washington and the farce that we call elections in this country? Iran has a functioning government that is actually more democratic than the American government which is on sale to the highest bidder, although I don't like the religious orientation of the Iranian government.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@valentine.godoflove So was it Iran that overthrew a legally elected US government or the other way around? Something about getting better deals for the oil companies.

EarthView
EarthView

@kev3334 Are you a child? You still bitch about the embassy takeover? Did anyone die? 

Did you read the article? Do you know how many Iranians died in the Iran-Iraq war that the U.S. supported? Over 100,000 Iranians died because of Saddam's use of chemical weapons that the U.S. facilitated. Exactly 290 innocent people died because of the shooting down of the Iranian passenger airline in 1988 by the U.S. Navy. And, you are still complaining about the embassy takeover? Amazing!

MarkJones1
MarkJones1

@kev3334  You are wrong, you probably only know about the hostage incident from an inaccurate movie. Also there are U.S military bases in countries beside Iran, and U.S navy near there international water boarders. They try to provoke the Iranians to do something stupid, but Iranians have one of the oldest cultures in the world, they can't be provoked. Even with all the propaganda given in the U.S media for all these years against Iranians, middle eastern, Muslims, Persians. and Plus the sanctions. look at America? it is falling apart lol. and look at Iran? they are making new advances in technology every day with there new micro processors, new planes, Support from Russia and china. Even in how many years of sanctions? they are just rising. so good luck. Words mean nothing anymore.

kev3334
kev3334

We also shouldn't forget the fact that they murdered tens of thousands of Iranians in the 1980's under cover of the Iran-Iraq war mainly for political reasons.  It's kind of difficult to believe the arrogant Islamists in Tehran genuinely care about the welfare of their people when they sanction torture, rape, and murder against the people they claim to defend.

EarthView
EarthView

@WaldoHistoria Iran hasn't attacked another country in 300 years. Don't confuse Iran with other Middle East countries. Now, do you want me to list the number of countries that the U.S. has attacked just in the last 50 years

MustafaAlmukhtar
MustafaAlmukhtar

You are so wrong, when we had culture you guys were killing each other.

EarthView
EarthView

@SweetSAY @RohintonIrani I asked you separately, what parts of the Iranian constitution have you read that you find objectionable? Who cares about anything produced by an Israeli propaganda machine? Are you stupid

kev3334
kev3334

@mantisdragon91 @valentine.godoflove They may not have overthrown the US government, but their Syrian policy has shown that they have absolutely no problem propping up bloody tyrants themselves.  Good thing the mullahs can't drown in their own hypocrisy.  They condemn the US for propping up the shah while doing the same exact thing in Syria.  The difference is Assad has even more blood on his hands than the shah.

kev3334
kev3334

@EarthView @kev3334 You care so much about Iranians when the US supposedly killed them in the 80's, but I bet we wouldn't hear a peep out of people like you when the mullahs kill and torture their citizens to this day so stop pretending like you care and come down off your high horse.  Let's not even get into the hundreds of Americans who have been killed by Iran sponsored terrorist attacks.

kev3334
kev3334

@EarthView @kev3334 I suppose I could talk about the hundreds of Americans who were killed because Iran's Qods force gave insurgents a sophisticated type of improvised explosive device that could have only been made by another country with resources and specialists.  You're such a bleeding heart.  Apparently if the US kills Iranians it is bad while if the regime does it they get a free pass.  The Iran-Iraq war could of ended before Iran suffered hundreds of thousands of casualities except that Khomeini was determined to completely conquer Baghdad after the Iraqis were pushed out of Iran.  It started out as a defensive war, but it became a war of aggression after Khomeini was determined to take as much land as possible to "export their revolution".  Maybe you should read a book instead of blindly giving ignorant support to a bunch of mullahs who are murderous in their own right.

MarkJones1
MarkJones1

@EarthView @kev3334  no he is one of those people that believe you have the right to destroy two countries because of an alleged attack on 2 buildings in America. with no evidence having the right to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people. making all the problems we have now in the middle east. And then after that turning around and saying it is because of there religions all these war happens. It is because of all religions!!! lol

kev3334
kev3334

@MarkJones1 @kev3334 Yeah Iran is doing great.  Their economy is crumbling so fast that Rouhani has all but begged for new talks.  They are spending billions to prop up their butcher in Damascus and their regional standing has taken a huge hit since they crushed the pro-democracy protests in 2009 and supported a dictator who has murdered tens of thousands of his own people.  Iran technology is wonderful.  I'm glad to see them develop technology that the US pioneered decades ago.  You're right about one thing though.  Iran isn't stupid enough to engage with the US military because they know they would be swiftly and decisively crushed.  They learned their lesson after Operation Praying Mantis when they were humiliated  and utterly helpless in the biggest naval battle since WWII.

SamMcDonagle
SamMcDonagle

@MustafaAlmukhtar And instead of continuing a history of culture, you have the Mullahs in Tehran destroying it with terror and zealotry, keep up the good work.

EarthView
EarthView

@kev3334 @mantisdragon91 @valentine.godoflove You have no idea what is going on Syria. It is Obama, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey who have created the mess in Syria. They all support the Al Qaeda rebels who have committed horrible crimes, including cannibalism and using chemical weapons. Assad is simply defending his country against these murderous rebels, great majority of whom are foreigners.

EarthView
EarthView

@kev3334 @EarthView So, when is Iran killing its own people. You have no idea what you are talking about. Iran is the most democratic country in the Middle East, bar none. Why don't you complain about Saudi Arabia, where women cannot even drive or Bahrain, where they torture and kill demonstrators. 

If you are thinking about the 2009 Green Movement demonstrations, nobody was shot in the streets, although they did beat up people who were creating vandalism. The last shooting in the streets that I know about was at the time of the Shah.

vetramon
vetramon

@kev3334 @Omario @EarthView You see kev 666, you just repeat what other people write, or simply you came late to hear the news from the middle east. In Syria, mr kev666, the revolt didn't start as a homegrown discontent, neither in Lybia. It all started in Egypt, and many people called the Arab Spring. 

   In Libya and in Syria, mr kev666, everything was orchestrated by the CIA and the Mossad, when they saw an opening to get rid of two leaders that were a nuisance to their economics and hegemonic position in the middle east. These two democratic agencies only used the Arab spring to get a free ride. That's all, mr kev666. 

kev3334
kev3334

@Omario @kev3334 @EarthView It's kind of funny when people talk about outside support for the rebels.  The funny part is that the Assad regime is far more dependent on foreign allies than the rebels.  Assad would've already fallen if Russia and Iran didn't meddle in Syria.

kev3334
kev3334

@Omario @kev3334 @EarthView It started out as a pro-democracy uprising that was entirely home grown out of discontent with 40 years of the Assad family's brutal reign.  Then Assad started murdering and torturing large numbers of defenseless protestors with the full support of Iran and Russia.  Iran is propping him up so that they don't lose their pipeline to their terrorist proxies.  They have sent in thousands of terrorists from their Hezbollah puppets.

Omario
Omario

@kev3334 @EarthView You have to ask why did Iran do that? Your talkin about an illegal war of of aggression so why shouldn't Iran arm the insurgents. You started all of this it didnt have to go down like this. You interfered too much in that country and when those subjugated people finally rose up against your hegemony you couldn't take that, you always have to have your way in the world. Well I'm not gonna go through the repeated attempts you have tried to topple this regime at any costs because we all no the lengths your country will go to bring every country under their dominance. So if you invade a country right on Iran's border you've just given them a prime opportunity to get some small yet sweet pay back. So just remember before you accuse Iran of being an aggressor it has never invaded anyone in the last 300 years, How many has America invaded in that time?  

BobcatbobIngram
BobcatbobIngram

@kev3334 @EarthView Ok Kev I will take the challenge You gave Mark, I will read a book, perhaps on 'Modern Middle East History'. If You would be so kind sir You might suggest one ? Something You consider fairly accurate and if You can think of one, also includes a chapter or two on the 'Kurds'

 Thanks

kev3334
kev3334

@vetramon @kev3334 @EarthView When you obviously can't refute the posts and have to resort to childish insults I've already won.  My suggestion would be to stop listening to Iran's massive state backed propaganda outlets such as Press TV.

kev3334
kev3334

@MarkJones1 @kev3334 It's hilarious that mullah apologists want to talk economics.  Looking at facts there is no comparison.  The mullahs would kill to swap economies with the US in a heartbeat.  The only sound I hear is the US economy recovering as it has done after every recession in American history.  Again you'd be better by reading a book or two instead of chirping the mullahs propaganda talking points.

MarkJones1
MarkJones1

@kev3334 @MarkJones1  Yeah.. are you basing that on the value of Rial vs the Dollar? or is it just coming out of thin air? Iran is 60%+ more self sufficient in the past 3 years. there Rial is going down, of course. the people are living more comfortably then ever. You are a arragant person. you try and dictate what another country should do when you can't even have a stable one yourself. Do you feel that pressure?? yeah that is your economy going down. 

EarthView
EarthView

@Openminded1 @EarthView @WaldoHistoria OK, I actually live in the U.S. but I have also lived in Canada which right now is one of the most reactionary governments in the world. It is even more pro-Israel than the U.S. if you can believe it. Now, what are you going to say?

Openminded1
Openminded1

@EarthView @Openminded1 @WaldoHistoria that is right , i was wondering what your countries policy's are. you seem to like to bash american policy, i thought you would be man enough to allow an american to discuss your countries policies.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@EarthView @Openminded1 @WaldoHistoria Are you? its an easy question to answer, If you are be proud of your country. If not say so, I think you are and that would explain a lot. I am American and proud of that, maybe you are not proud of your country, i do not know.

MarkJones1
MarkJones1

@SamMcDonagle @MustafaAlmukhtar  yeah mullah's in Iran. so? what is your point? omg they have rags on there head. THEY ARE BAD PEOPLE??? you are ignorant. and you have no respect for other cultures.