Gabrielle Giffords Goes to a Gun Show

Leading gun control advocate touts agreement to monitor show sales

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Tim Roske / AP

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, left, former Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, center, and her husband Mark Kelly tour the New EastCoast Arms Collectors Associates arms fair in Saratoga Springs, N.Y. on Sunday, Oct. 13, 2013.

Former Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords on Sunday made her first visit to a gun show since surviving a 2011 shooting.

A smiling Giffords, who has became a leading gun-control advocate since the shooting, toured the Saratoga Springs Arms Fair in New York, surrounded by rifles, knives and “Don’t Tread On Me” flags. She chatted with sellers alongside her husband, former astronaut Mark Kelly, who bought a book on Colt revolvers and said he would have bought a gun if he had more time, the Associated Press reports.

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, who joined the couple, used the opportunity to highlight a voluntary agreement to monitor gun sales at the show. The state has also boosted gun controls with a recent ban on military-grade weapons in the wake of last year’s massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in neighboring Connecticut.

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108 comments
DaveDavis
DaveDavis

I have one question about the article.

How the hell did Giffords husband think he would be able to buy a gun in New York State?

AFAIK, its illegal to purchase a firearm out of state, unless you live in an adjoining state, and a pistol, only if you are a resident of the state.

I wonder if this proves criminal intent?

EduardoBlanco
EduardoBlanco

I find it offensive that she would go to a NYS gun show to lecture about gun violence. The implication of course is that the gun shows are the problem and in the eye's of the uninformed she is bravely marching into the "belly of the beast" so to speak.

Hogwash. She's pulling a publicity stunt, nothing more. NYS had required background checks for all sales for at least as long as I can remember and many have had undercover cops patrolling the parking lots to make sure no illegal activity is taking place. 
She needs to go lecture in the streets of Chicago, NYC or DC.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- "It seemed like it was me, the gunman, and God," said Jeanne Assam, describing her feelings as she confronted a man who charged into her Colorado Springs church Sunday firing a weapon.

Assam, a church security guard with law enforcement experience, fired her own weapon at the invader and stopped his attack, police say.

Police on Monday identified the gunman as Matthew Murray and said he was also responsible for an attack earlier Sunday at a missionary center some 80 miles away.


THIS, is what gun laws STOP..........

moosemyfrnds
moosemyfrnds

Obama put more efforts into the Treyvon Martian shooting then he did the Gifford shooting LMAO, Democrats really do support minorities over whites.

fitty_three
fitty_three

Let me state clearly again so that everyone understands:

1. The militias are no one's darlings.  They have a looong history with GOP's fringiest and most bigoted portion of their base.  Pat Buchaon is not the darling of any sane human.

2. I was just at a gun show.  Guns?  Guns are tame. The guns shows only have "guns" for the little guy, the sporting guy, the hunter, and the home defender.  The real focus is commercial civilian warfighting capability.  Everything from logistics to weapons that make an AR-15 look like a dusty $50 shotgun in a corner.  The paranoia (See @DaveDavis for a sample) is absolutely free! It's the hook for the sales of armament, not "guns".

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@EduardoBlanco And its a shame that only the Dems can roll mentally handicapped people out for press photos, when doing so helps their agenda.

If the Republicans had rolled someone with brain damage out on to a stage, or to a gun show, the MSM would cry "EXPLOITATION OF A HANDICAPPED HUMAN BEING".

And did you notice that all of the firearms shown in the presser, were all "Politically Correct", not one black rifle, or even something even a bit evil looking.

"See Gabby is HAPPY that only muzzleloaders are for sale in NY now..."

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@DaveDavis And how many times do people end up killing others as they attempt to shoot a gun man? Having been in real combat at 23 Easting, I can tell you firsthand that even trained troops have issues with fire discipline and shot placement. What makes you think a civilian facing combat for the first time will do better?

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@moosemyfrnds You really don't need to go there, this has nothing to do with race, however, I agree that the prosecution of George Zimmerman was a racial decision, forced upon the police department who charged him.

And, a jury found him not guilty of any crimes.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@fitty_three @DaveDavis I know its trite, but, Ted Kennedy's car has killed far more people than any of my many, many weapons.

Are YOU even a gun owner at all?

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@fitty_three @DaveDavis Nobodies darlings huh?  You owe your citizenry to the militias that fought the British.

Now, if you are done trashing loyal Americans, tell me more about this high tech hardware thats available at your Wash out gun shows.

Be specific please.

Could it be the horrid 50 caliber rifles?  That BTW, have NEVER been used in a crime?

Perhaps, its those huge bored 12 ga shotguns, because honestly, if you want to see a horriffic wound, look at what a 12 gauge slug or buckshot does compared to the neat little hole an AR15 makes.

Quit scaring us with halloween inferences of Stinger missles, and tactical nuclear weapons being available at your special gun show.

Per chance, have you ever ACTUALLY been to one?

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@mantisdragon91 @DaveDavis Ummm, maybe because of the FREAKING FACTS IN THE ABOVE STORY?

Perhaps we should disband the police, seems to me, quite a few innocents have been shot by LE in the past few years.

And, maybe you shouldn't be bolstering Iran by admitting how bad our men and women in war actually function.

For a former soldier, you really seem dead set on making them seem untrained and ineffective.

Its funny, but all the helicopters firing mini guns and cannons on wikileaks, seemed to do a really good job of killing or wounding all the civilians they were firing at.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DaveDavis

I particularly enjoy the fact that karma seems to be taking a toll on your oh-so-upright citizen soldier.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DaveDavis

Why do you think I went to as gun show?

Btw, nice dodge. Let's say that you believe all this paranoid sh!t you've spouted, you and two buddies are walking across my lawn.

Tell me how I should distinguish you from some terrorist who is leaving a school where 25 kids died.

In this thought experiment, you can't see me.  I won't let you.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DaveDavis

Did I mention stinger missiles? No.

Did I mention nukes? Of course not.

Did I mention military grade hardware? Yes.

Did I tell the truth that the gun show was completely dominated by commercial people selling civilian warfighting capability? Absolutely yes.

Did I mention that paranoia like yours is heavily promoted as a hook to sell this stuff?

Hell yes!

fitty_three
fitty_three

DaveDavis

Well, first of all, these militias today have nothing in common with what was 230 years ago. Some of them are, quite frankly, racists with a survivalist agenda, others are just straight up antigovernment terrorists. A few may be legit, but knowing them and the Patriot movement in the 80s through the00s,you won't convince me they aren't anything better than terrorists, wannabe Under The Dome kinglets, or just plain paranoid schizophrenics with lots of money.

By the way, how much are you making for spewing this sh!t?

grape_crush
grape_crush

@DaveDavis @fitty_three> You owe your citizenry to the militias that fought the British.

And you think you are their spiritual heirs? Who are you fighting, now? The British? Latin illegals? Imaginary hordes of Muslims?

Pathetic and delusional.

> Now, if you are done trashing loyal Americans

You're not loyal Americans. You're playtime insurrectionists, fantasizing about some imaginary enemy to boost your ego by pretending you matter more than anyone else.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@mantisdragon91 @DaveDavis Actually, behind the anonymity of the net, you may be Jane Fonda for all I know.

Its just funny that you have selective memory and military service when you need it to back your arguments.

Besides, I help raise the flag on Mt. Siribachi, how dare you criticise me?

See how that whole internet life experience thing works.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@DaveDavis @mantisdragon91 Do you know what a typo is clown? I understand you feel the need to redeem your personal cowardice and belief in a childish economic philosophy but mocking a combat vet ain't the way to do it.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@mantisdragon91 @DaveDavis Will do Colonel Kilgore, y'all enjoy the PTSS, ya here.

I gotta go before you are challenging me a shooting match at 23 Easting, you can play the Iraqi's this time, I take the away team with the overwhelming weapons, equipment and training.


There is just must be something about fighting in loafers, and brown polyester pants that appeals to the inner you, you know, the under dog, and all that.

Shame is?  I can't for the life of me, understand how someone could come back from the field of battle, and forget where that battle was, or what it was called.

My uncle, could name the island where the jap officer put three bullets in his back, and, he brought the nambu he took off him,  back home with him as a souvenir, and, he only grudgingly admitted that he fought it WW2, and never, ever, used it as a bragging point, I only knew because of the gun, and the yearly trips to the VA to get his back Xrayed because they were afraid they would move closer to his spine.

But, then again, he fought in a war, where the enemy fought back, until they were dead, and, nobody shipped him cases of Coke to drink after the one day of battle was over.

Thanks again for your service at 23 Eastings, err, I mean 73 Eastings, or what that operation Hastings?



mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@DaveDavis @mantisdragon91 73 Easting would be correct. More importantly where have you served that you can judge how people react under fire? See arm chair commandos like you are a dime a dozen. Let me know when you have been in the midst of a fire fight.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DaveDavis

Give this guy your respect and your thanks.

After all, when I judge people, I judge them be the company they keep and by their demeanor.

You fail at both.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@mantisdragon91 Oh, I assumed you meant the battle of 73 Easting and not 23 Easting, as, I couldn't find any information on it., your memory may be slipping a bit.....

Or, perhaps it was a secret mission, and your name is Tommy Flanagan, and your're married to Morgan Fairchild.......

Yeah, thats the ticket.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@mantisdragon91 Well, Im sure your actions in a battle where one US soldier was killed, and 70 wounded, as opposed to over 1000 Iraqis killed make you the definitive, be all, know all, as to how well us arm chair commandos will function when the time comes. 

But, seeing again how well the police do, it only furthers my choice as to why I don't want to wait to call 911 to protect myself.

I'm sure I am as much an Arm chair commando as you are a concientous objector, but, believe what you will, Colonel.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@DaveDavis @mantisdragon91 No. I mean that despite fantasies of arm chair warriors like you, reality is different. Most untrained civilians pose almost as much danger as the actual shooter.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@fitty_three @DaveDavis Go ahead and have your life ruined, with 99% of the blacks lusting for your blood, and see how well you handle life after a unsuccessful lynching.

fitty_three
fitty_three

DaveDavis

Even if you weren't on my lawn, because of the fact you and your buddies are no one I know, and there is simply no way to tell who you are, I would sight you up.

Do you have a problem with that?

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@DaveDavis @fitty_three And some have even left their guns in school bathrooms where the kids can find them. But hey as long as you are happy who cares if kids kill themselves or others with guns left behind by careless security types.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@fitty_three @DaveDavis Well, the giant ring of cops carrying automatic weapons, shotguns, and the like surrounding the school but not going in, may be starting point as to where I am NOT going to be carrying a firearm openly.

That said, I really feel bad that your life is filled with the idea of you being around all this tragedy.

Where do you exactly hope to be, as far as I know, we haven't had many terrorists killing children in our schools as of late, at least not yet anyway.

Though I do believe if a terrorist did want to conduct business in the safest place possible, a school would still be a good choice, in most cases.

Of course, some schools have been swayed to my thought process, you know, having good guys around with concealed, and/or visible guns around.

Hell, a few even let their teachers carry them in the class room.  How crazy is that?

But in any case, you can relax, I highly doubt I will be on your lawn carrying a gun, I have a respect for peoples private property, and I would never carry a weapon openly on someones property without their permission, even Starbucks.

What I do legally, in a public place, is another matter.



DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@fitty_three Oh, as for pay, if I got a nickel for heckling every idjut like you online, this would be a full time job.

Unfortunately, I am not on disability, I work all day.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@fitty_three @DaveDavis Um hm.

Military grade hardware?  Like, nuts and bolts?  Hinges?

Why is it, you can't name ONE DANG THING they were selling other than "Military grade scary thing, I am afraid of".

I have many military grade items, a poncho, a shovel, a knife, are they too scary to sell at gunshows?

Hell, if I look, I may even have a can of foot  powder from WW2, I'll bet you hope I never light the fuse and toss it at your feet, it may stop the stink foot.

Commercial people (Do I detect just a hint of anti capitalism here), selling civilian warfighting capability.

Okay, I sure am afraid now.....

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@mantisdragon91 @DaveDavis @fitty_three The more you type, the more you show a complete lack of knowledge concerning your presidentre and are just a clearly democratic kool aid influenced propaganda spouting parrot

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@mantisdragon91 @DaveDavis @fitty_three His rich WHITE grandparents put him through the best schools they could buy, after his mother abandoned him, and, affirmative action got him into an Ivy league university, hell, he took a white girl to the prom.

Then, he had to go to Chicago, to learn how to become a bona fide, america hating "BLACK MAN", taught by his mentor Jeremiah.  Because the half white boy/child from Hawaai, had never learned to embrace his "Inner N*gger", which, he had to do, to prove himself a REAL black man.

The job, charity, just like the land Tony Resco bought, and gave to him as a political payoff.

You would have to search long and far, to find anyone, less qualified to be POTUS.

A manager at McDonalds, has more real life command experience than your messiah has, but, being blind to the truth never stops a dedicated dem from voting as he is told to vote.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@mantisdragon91 @DaveDavis @fitty_three Community organizer, community organizer, community organizer, usless congressman who voted present the majority of times, and won the seat by trashing his opponent for sexual issues, not on his ability to be a senator.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@DaveDavis @mantisdragon91 @fitty_three  

 He graduated in 1991. He ran Illinois Project Vote, a voter registration drive, for much of 1992, and then accepted a position with the Chicago firm Miner, Barnhill & Galland. The firm specialized in political and civil rights work and neighborhood economic development work. He also began teaching at the University of Chicago in 1993. He was elected to the Illinois state Senate in 1996 and took office in 1997, so his full-time work after law school comprises five years. That gets us to 20 years. 

 http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/mar/07/obamas-20-years-experience/

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@mantisdragon91 @DaveDavis @fitty_three Name one other country where a man with no real life work experience, ends up the president and the commander in chief.


OH WAIT, thats THE USA TOO!


And, I really don't care about what other countries do or have?


Why should I, when we aren't taking care of our own country now.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@mantisdragon91 Oh, thats not biased.

Lets see the VPC, weren't they formerly the Brady Campaign?

I guess giving felons the right to vote is OK, but, restoring the rights to own firearms, say, to 70 year old Veteran who had a fist fight in Vietnam isn't.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

Read an learn

How the NRA Works to Rearm Criminals

Introduction

The National Rifle Association (NRA) claims that it supports vigorous enforcement of our nation's gun laws and efforts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Yet the NRA has actually worked to put guns back into criminals' hands. Following is the saga of the federal "relief from disability" program. The NRA has worked to expand and protect this guns-for-felons program that has rearmed thousands of convicted—and often violent—felons.

 http://www.vpc.org/studies/felons.htm

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@mantisdragon91 @DaveDavis @fitty_three Oh, I do take offense to calling my Libertarian beliefs garbage.

IF, there is ONE thing that may save this country, its the things that the Libertarian party stands for.

You know, small government, less taxes, fewer laws, personal responsibility, I know, I know, a complete anethama to the 47%ers, and the politicians, but, hey, you can't make an omelete, without cracking the eggs a few peoples heads.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@mantisdragon91 @DaveDavis @fitty_three Really, thats one of the Liberal "Talking points" I expected you to get to.

Can you explain exactly how the NRA is pushing to give access to criminals and the insane?

I can tell you this fact though, that of the THOUSANDS of people stopped from purchasing a gun per year through the background checks, less than a hundred are actively prosecuted for doing so.

And you really expect that by overwhelming law enforcement with even more stoppages, that they will go after MORE CRIMINALS?

Bear in mind , that not all checks stopping a sale ARE criminal acts, mistakes do happen.

And, as an NRA member, why would I have an issue with the NRA protecting the people who make some of my firearms, yes, some us actually do make their own, and not using a printer either.

In fact, (I am typing in a really low voice now, almost a whisper, but, its not illegal to MAKE your own firearms..........)....... Shhhhhh, even ahem, "Assault Weapons....shudder.......

But, if you think that preventing me from giving a gun to my dad or grandchild without a background check is the NRA pushing for access for weapons for the mentally ill, then by all means, believe what you post....

(BTW, that statement was made knowing you really, REALLY want to make some nasty comment that it WOULD be giving weapons to the mentally ill..... But, go ahead and take it, I set you up for it, don't prove me wrong).

Y'all can go ahead and believe the crap they shovel out for you to absorb, but, you should really indepently verify if its actually the truth, or just a good talking point.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@DaveDavis @mantisdragon91 @fitty_three Stop with the Libertarian garbage. This country is safer now than it was 50 years ago. And no one is stopping you from saying anything you want. Just like you can't stop me from saying that the NRA doesn't care about you or anyone else other than the gun manufacturers. Even as we speak the are pushing to give criminals and the insane access to guns.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@mantisdragon91 @DaveDavis @fitty_three Great, thanks for your service, honestly, I mean that.

However, please do not attempt to limit what I wish to do, what I wish to own, just because you feel you must, or because of what you say you have seen.

Do you actually understand that people have sacraficed their lives so that you can say what you want to, freely?

Are you OK with the Patriot Act, and the spying that goes on in our own country, do you think people like Bradley Manning didn't do a good thing by releasing the information on how far our government has gone down the road by becoming a totaliarian nation?

I call HIM a Patriot, so, how exactly am I to presume what YOU think a patriot is, when we so freely debate what one is?

I love my country, I respect me freedoms, I cherish them, but, I am afraid of what its becoming, and I am afraid of people who foolishly trade a bit of safety, for a huge loss of freedom, when I know, down the road, that every freedom lost, is going to be hard fought to get back.

In an ideal world, in an ideal society, perhaps we wouldn't need guns, soldiers, or people dying for their country, but, unfortunately we do.

If you feel the need to now own a particular type of weapon, feel free, just don't impose your will upon me.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@DaveDavis @mantisdragon91 @fitty_three Seeing as you claim to be a loyal patriot what have you done to earn that name? I shed blood for this country with the 3rd Armored Cavalry in 91. I've seen what Ar-15 like weapons can do on the battlefield. We don't need them on our streets.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@mantisdragon91 @DaveDavis @fitty_three Why is that necessary?  Do you find that shedding blood or serving in the military is needed to be a good American?

What about nurses who served, and never saw combat?

What about support personnel who never left the US in a time of war?

What about people who give blood for VA blood drives?

What about the folks who buy an active duty vet a drink, or a meal?

I give thanks that I have never HAD to shed blood for my country, and if I had my way, no one would ever have to do so again.

And at least I acknowledge my thanks for those  who did honestly, and personally.

In a different time, I may have been subjected to the draft, and I assure you I wouldn't have gone to Canada, like alot of folks did, never to be punished for it BTW.

Don't use a straw man argument to denegrate someone you know nothing of, if you can't argue the facts, print out the constitution and use it wipe your butt, because, for all you know of it, you may as well use it for TP.

grape_crush
grape_crush

 @DaveDavis @fitty_three > Did I ever say I am fighting anyone?  

Nope. That's why I'm asking the question.

Not too quick, are you?

> I think your lord and savior has killed far more people at the end of a drone

Jesus had drone technology? I must have missed mention of it; was that Old or New Testament?

> I don't bury my head in the sand and pretend that bad people out there have NO respect for me...

If this is an example of you on a good day, I'd wager that very few good people would have respect for you either.

> ...make accusations you know are NOT true...

I don't know they're not true. 

I've always wondered what the purpose of these militias really are; if the people in them were really patriotic and wanted to serve the country, they could join the real military or national guard, or fire department instead of playacting.

> I guarantee, for every militia nut, you could find their corresponding black panther...

So? We're talking about the militia nuts. 

And the Black Panthers - the real ones back in the day, not the ones Fox News Channel shows now to scare old white people - were militiamen.

> ...who finds it easy to go out and hate some other group for some perceived wrong.

It's not perceived, and I'm not a hater. 

There's no good reason for these militias to exist. There's a lot of bad ones, 'tho.

DaveDavis
DaveDavis

@grape_crush @DaveDavis @fitty_three Did I ever say I am fighting anyone?  Think and read before responding.

I think your lord and savior has killed far more people at the end of a drone, than I or any of my gun owning friend will EVER kill, let alone harm with them.

I don't even hunt, I see all life as sacred, but, I don't bury my head in the sand and pretend that bad people out there have NO respect for me, or you, and if you prefer to do that, feel free.

I will never insult you for exercising your rights as you see fit, however, it appears that is ALL you can do, hurl insults, and make accusations you know are NOT true, just to make it appear, that this gun owner, is something he is not, and something that most of us aren't either.

I guarantee, for every militia nut, you could find their corresponding black panther, nation of islam, muslim fundamentalist whack job of their own desire, who finds it easy to go out and hate some other group for some perceived wrong.

Hey, wait a minute, a whack job who finds it easy to hate someone for a perceived wrong?

Thats you.