In New Poll, Americans Blame Everyone for Government Shutdown

Dissatisfaction higher than it was during Clinton-era stoppage

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Mike Theiler / Reuters

A fence surrounds the U.S. Department of Commerce in Washington October 5, 2013, as the government shutdown continues into the weekend.

A new CNN/ORC International poll shows that no one is coming out ahead in the current federal funding impasse, but Republicans are taking more heat than the Democrats.

According to the survey, 63 percent of those questioned said they were angry at Republicans, with 57 percent also angry at Democrats, and 53 percent unhappy with President Obama. Nearly half of those surveyed said the shutdown has caused major problems.

Those numbers are higher than during the shutdowns of 1995-96, when President Bill Clinton and Republicans, under then House Speaker Newt Gingrich, reached an impasse over government funding. Republicans took most of the blame during that stoppage (as evidenced by the famous New York Daily News cover from November 1995).

When the crisis ended, President Clinton’s approval numbers rose to some of their highest of his first term. But this time around, with President Obama receiving a much higher share of the blame in polls — and with no end in sight — it doesn’t look like any winner will emerge anytime soon.

[CNN]

103 comments
againstmediaslant
againstmediaslant

During past govt. shutdowns, Clinton and Carter also did not try to inflict pain on the families of soldiers killed in action nor vets and park visitors. When questioned why the Senate would not vote on a bill sent over by the House to fund care for children with cancer, Harry Reid said, "Why would we do that? I have furloughed employees with their own problems" How evil is this man? Now that Obama is aware of the families of 4 soldiers who died in Afghanistan being denied their death benefits by Hagel, the Secretary of Defense, Obama still won't take out his pen and allow these benefits to be paid to the families  He is letting a private donor pay the benefits. This is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces! What a leader!?

againstmediaslant
againstmediaslant

The House of Representatives has an obligation to stop this out of control spending. It is their role per the Constitution. As a Senator, Obama said it was irresponsible to "take out a credit card in the name of China and run up huge debt.  He stated that "Bush, all by his lonesome ran up 6 trillion in debt"  That was accrued over 8 years with the help of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.  In less than 5 years, Obama has "all by his lonesome" increased our debt to 16 trillion!!!  Obamacare is not deficit neutral.  The CBO now states it will cost atleast 1..5 trillion over 10 years (tax payers have been paying for it 3 years, before it went live).  Obama took 716 billion from Medicare to help fund Obamacare, The Affordable Care Act.  Not so affordable!  Everyone is seeing increased medical insurance premiums and deductables.  With all these facts on the table, Obama and Harry Reid still will not negotiate. Obama and Congress have a one year waver on the mandate and they use taxpayer money to subsidize the increase in costs.  Clinton and Carter did negotiate when we had shutdowns under their leadership.

LarryBaldwin
LarryBaldwin

Side note:  I and several of my friends have taken a vow to not vote for ANY incumbents, at any level, until the sides start acting like real representatives of the people, not quibbling over who has the power and money to decide all of our lives.  Republicans, the Affordable Health Care act is law.  The way to change a law is to get your people elected legally, get the votes to repeal the law, then propose your own laws.  It is not to hold the country hostage and take your ball and bat and cry foul.  That is petty and wrong and we all suffer by doing it.  Democrats, you must start looking for ways to reduce spending wisely, reduce it, not reduce the growth of spending.  Grow up both sides, quit listening to the insane talking heads of Fox news and CNBC.  Those two are as big a danger to our country as your partisanship.  Thanks for listening to my rave.

JimboWales
JimboWales

Time got this wrong, as usual: Yes, I do hold the Republicans responsible for the shutdown; also, I view the shutdown favorably.

So, the way it should be phrased is that "Obama's polls dip due to pettiness and monthly scandals."

ParshSingh
ParshSingh

Its time for all politicians to get together and think "Country First"

Everything else can wait.

John u there?

DazzRat
DazzRat

The Republicans offered to end the shutdown if the Democrats would agree to live under the same Obamacare that they're forcing on the rest of us. The Democrats said "no way, that's not for us!" That pretty much says it all, don't ya think?

oddegg69
oddegg69

Americans should blame themselves for electing these goofs, on both sides.

Emily-AndJesse
Emily-AndJesse

The house (the peoples party whether we like it or not) is the place where policy is go be set. The senates job is to approve the policy unless it shows state favoritism (the senates job is to make sure VT and say CA have an equal say they represent each states position not popular will). The president approves of any policy making sure it does not hurt national security. Now in the past 40+ years that setup the founders made has been twisted. The house has the most members to broadly represent the public. This republic is to be run by the people not one man. President Obamas job is to manage day to day affairs and be the commander in Chief. Harry Reid's job is to represent Nevada's interest (state) and organize the senate. John Boehner's job is to be representing the people of his district and organize the house.I like a lot of the ACA even the individual mandate but it was foolish to push it through in almost a years time. The 2010 midterm elections were solely based on the ACA. The President in rushing something as big as the ACA (for ego purposes) created the opportunity for the Tea Party to exist. The brashness and naivety of our President brought about the Tea Party.Something like the ACA is a second term agenda. After years of groundwork with proper explanation. President Obama said bend over and take this now. Bill Clinton would have built it up more sold it more. President Obamas lack of experience has allowed him to have a Napoleon Complex. A good thing so piss poorly executed is no longer a good thing.

karlelli
karlelli

Both parties are to blame for this mess.  Both parties are acting like a spoiled brat saying if I don't get my way we will do nothing.  The president is as much to blame as anyone else and I supported him when he ran, but I'm fed up with all of congress as well as Obama.  They all need to forfeit their pay for not doing their jobs and hopefully we can vote them all out of office at the next election.  If I didn't do my job I would be fired, which I should be.  None of the services that our taxes are collected for are being done.  Veterans and their families aren't being paid.  I'm on social sceurity and probably won't get a check as well, civil service people are put on furlow all because of a bunch of stupid politicians who want to fight with each other.  As I said, hopefully we can vote them all out at the next election.

TonyWilliams
TonyWilliams

Just did a Google search on "polls government shutdown whos to blame".  Of the 16 hits , 15 headlines  signified the public is giving the GOP  most of the blame.  This story was the only link that implied blame was even.  In order for lesser journalists to appear unbiased in a biased situation, it is necessary for them to lie, as was done here.  I was mistaken in thinking that to a journalist,the truth was more important that how "unbiased" he appears.  Again, I was wrong.  Thank you for proving that to me.

JoAnnePSparrow
JoAnnePSparrow

John Boehner's phone number in Washington is 202-225-6205 and implore him to let the bill to the floor

TonyPow
TonyPow

·Shutting down the government due to the debt ceiling.

Run the government like what businesses do. Calculate the rate of return in the following two options.

1. Benefit in shutting down the government.

or

2. Benefit in not shutting down the government.

Select the option that gives us better benefit.

The majority of government employees have tiny workloads (most got their jobs in DC due to what party they belong to). Furlough (layoff could be better just like most businesses do) half of them and it would maintain the same service if they work in the private sector. A win-win decision.

Closing all the free museums (say in DC) will cost a lot of pains to tourists and future tourism. Actually it costs more than 10 times of the saved wages in shutting down. Only the stupidest managers make this kind of easy decision.


However, our government makes decisions based on politics: Want to show who is the boss and put the blame on the other party. They are all wasting our time, money and energy. We need to have smaller and better government.


When the problem is resolved (by approving funding or moving the debt ceiling even higher), both sides will declare victory shamelessly on how smart they ‘fixed’ the problem to insult your intelligence.

From Debunk the Myths in Investing (amazon)

SuzanneSmith
SuzanneSmith

Negotiations have no place when extortion is threatened.  That's it in a nutshell.

DraganCake
DraganCake

I really cannot believe most of the comments on here... For starters it is both sides contributing to this sad situation that we are in, and while the house GOP was the ones to PARTIALLY shut down the government the Dem controlled Senate hasn't done its due diligence to get us back on our feet. The house has tried passing multiple bills to fund single projects since the shutdown (which is the way our government was built to work btw as opposed to passing these massive bills with many unneeded pork projects attached) and almost every single one has been pushed away with the Senate and pres saying it's all or nothing.One that did pass both house and Senate was to continue funding our soldiers... so yep they are getting paid. (In response to the guy below complaining they were not) However there is quite a few others that would have moved us closer to ending this stalemate, helped pay the bills that NEED to be paid now before we end up in default, and would have supported some of the basic humanitarian needs that are currently being used to label the gop as heartless villas that want to take food from babies mouths.Add to that the fact our veterans are kicked out of our unmanned memorials on an underhanded insult to the American people while immigrant rallies are allowed in!!! Once again this is actions taken not by the GOP, but orders passed down to gain media attention and try to shine a poor light on the GOP because "they caused the shutdown" (our unmanned parks should have never been dragged into this equation but apparently the slight of hand worked on some of the posters here)Quite simply there does need to be a gathering of the house and Senate and they need to work this out and compromise. For those that think there shouldn't be a compromise you need to examine how our country was set up and why we have 3 branches of the government... Quite simply the spending in our country has become outrageous and as the house is responsible for our "checkbooks" they need to do their due diligence to cut down on spending before we get so far down the hole our children and their future children will not even have a chance. I wish they would have stepped up to the plate months ago so that we were not this close to defaulting, (which is why I'm pissed at them for their lack of action at an appropriate time) but at this point all parties are responsible for their lack of respect to the American people, the outrageous spending (including a retarded amount of pork projects attached to the ACA that make it impossible for us to sustain in its current former) and their unwillingness to sit down and work out the things that need to be done immediately just because they are not going to get things 100% their way.

ottawaguy2014
ottawaguy2014

Boehner is awesome i think its good that someone had the balls to say enough is enough

RickD
RickD

This isn't a very useful poll, though Time is spinning it in the most useful fashion.  "Blame everybody equally" is not something that leads to change.  And also, this is not a stance that is supported by other polling.

And there's a difference between assigning blame and being angry at.  People may be angry at either party without thinking that said party is to blame.  

I have to think that poor journalism is part of the root cause of America's confused state.  We have one party making an unprecedented power grab: basically demanding that the other party accept changes to established legislation before any budget is accepted.  And yet Time is playing the "hey, we're neutral, this is normal" card.  It's not normal to shut down the government as a negotiating tactic.  Nor should it be considered acceptable.  But with coverage like this, Time helps diffuse the blame, and thereby empowers the rogue Republicans.

And they are literally rogue at this point.  They are attacking the foundations of our government and show no willingness to abide by basic democratic principles.  

KennethPresby
KennethPresby

Some good points, but some revisions needed. Obama took 867 billion from Medicare and lets not forget about nearly the same amount in new taxes to fund Obamacare.  The CBO predicted the cost of Obamacare to rise to 2.5 trillion. Remember Pelosi and the democrats told us this bill would pay for it self-big lie!  As this administration caused Medicaid and Medicare to pay less for medical procedures, hospitals and doctors charged more to the insurance companies. Insurance providers increased peoples premiums to recoup their losses. So the ones responsible for people paying more for insurance was the government not adequately covering medical costs up front! Congresses job is to promote interstate commerce, yet will not allow you to purchase insurance across state lines, which would bring about much needed competition between insurance providers and help keep cost down for the insured! By the way , officially Bush increased the national debt by only 4 trillion, Obama 6 trillion in 4 1/2 years.  Just want to keep facts straight!  Also China has untold billions of our dollar put aside because they are not backed up and considered worthless.  As long as the Fed keeps printing money we don't have they, are in essence -counterfeiters!  Obama and the ruling party control spending, not the house, and are therefore solely responsible for the budget crisis and financial woes of our country!

KennethPresby
KennethPresby

The Supreme Court ruled on Obamacare after the White House 's constant pressure on Justice Robert's to change his vote and go along with this farce!  Intimidation of a Supreme Court Justice is a serious criminal offense!  But, we have come to expect this from a Constitution hating President, stemming from it's well intended limitations afforded the President.  This citizen understands that the role of the Supreme Court is to uphold Constitutional Law, not interpret it, or violate it!  I, and untold millions of Americans understand the un-Constitutionality of this law.  Ordering anyone to buy something and fining them for non-compliance is a violation of our basic rights!  Something's can not wait for elections because they are get increasingly worse all the time. There is a solution to tyrannical behavior by the government in our Declaration of Independence, which we have the right and duty to use; but should only be employed as a last resort!  However the insistence of this President to employ dictatorial tactics is not calming the situation.  Also, law enforcement and the military have sworn to uphold the Constitution and are under no obligation to enforce any un-Constitutional laws.  While the IRS regards themselves to be omnipotent, they might want to think twice before messing with people money by collecting illegal fines!!!!  The only one holding the country hostage is the free hand-out party who force hard working people to pick up the tab for the useless do nothing dependents that they themselves have created!  The job of the opposition party, especially know, is to resist the asinine policies of a liberal socialist dysfunctional administration.  Compromising with these lying misfits, while sometimes necessary, compromises common sense and is usually a result of total frustration  over ill-conceived policy's!

ElizabethHindsDavis
ElizabethHindsDavis

@TonyWilliams  Obama voted with McCain for the bailout and has been every bit as pro war as Bush ever was. My problem is with the system, not the particular side in office. Americans are finally cluing in that our government works for corporate interest.

DazzRat
DazzRat

@TonyWilliams -- your post is so delusional that it's pointless to point out the laughably flawed and inarticulate premises. Doing so would be akin to explaining "2+2=4" to a tree stump.

SuzanneSmith
SuzanneSmith

@karlelli I'm sorry but you are very wrong.  Remember that who started this .......and the issue of extortion...... is NOT an irrelevant issue.  This is not your normal negotiation situation.  When the minority threatens to blow up the ship if they don't get there way, our very Democratic process is threatened .  You CANNOT ignore this.  The Republicans are to blame for this.   Don't deflect the blame onto the president and most Democrats.  This is a more specific problem than your vague comment above and blame should be placed where it belongs...the Republicans

JimboWales
JimboWales

@TonyWilliams I do blame the GOP for the shutdown, and I also approve of it. After 6 years, they're finally getting the hint: CUT SPENDING, REPEAL OBAMACARE.

uneducated_voters
uneducated_voters

@TonyWilliams are you seriously whining about media bias? The liberal media (CBS, NBC, CNN) go out of there way to protect the regime and keep you simple minded liberals happy. One simple question...is this country better off after 5 years of Obama? 7 Trillion dollars in debt by this administration alone. I will await your "Blame Bush" response.

JimboWales
JimboWales

@JoAnnePSparrow Boehner and the house have already passed 40+ budgets in the past week. The senate has brought zero to the floor for a vote.

JonathanA
JonathanA

@JoAnnePSparrow  Textbook definition of a waste of time. He'll ignore us just like he and this statist friends have been doing for years.

SuzanneSmith
SuzanneSmith

@JoAnnePSparrow I called and sat on the phone for about a 1/2 hour until I got the distinct feeling they would never answer.  

JimboWales
JimboWales

@SuzanneSmith Good, then the GOP should find no reason to negotiate with dems after dems have repeatedly told the GOP it's their way or the highway.

SuzanneSmith
SuzanneSmith

@DraganCake As verbose as your comment is, all the words in perdition can't put Humpty Dumpty.....etc.    We're talking about who is to blame for this.  Who started it and is prolonging it.  Your words:  "The house GOP was the ones to PARTIALLY..etc."?  Was?  Sorry but that doesn't sound real good.   I do not believe that the president should "sit down" with extortionists.   Whether the government runs or not is NOT a bargaining chip.  If it is treated like one, our Democracy, our COUNTRY, is doomed now and in future debates.  This is not about..."awwww they should all be good boys/girls and sit down and talk now...".  


This is about whether negotiation is right in a hostage situation.  It is not.


JoAnnePSparrow
JoAnnePSparrow

@ottawaguy2014 If he had any "nads" and he is soooo sure the Clean CR won't pass, then why won't he let the bill to the floor for a vote? Because he is a whiney little sore loser along with his sissy Tea Party!

mraugustwestie
mraugustwestie

@RickD 

Yes, I totally agree.  Boehner stated on ABC that he DID agree to the Budget and then changed his mind.  So it was a done deal until his rogue group convinced him to try and defund Obamacare aka ACA.  They have continually lied.  His behavior and tone is disrespectful to the Office of the President, whether he likes him or not.  

And for all those who believe that not extending the debt limit will have no impact, simply study the present impact on the government shutdown.  It is horrific.

NicholasRobinsn
NicholasRobinsn

@SuzanneSmith @karlelli "the minority threatens to blow up the ship" The Republicans are not a minority. They control the majority of the seats in the House of Representatives and were democratically elected on the platform that they would not support Obamacare.

DraganCake
DraganCake

@SuzanneSmith @DraganCake 

yes Susan the gop PARTIALLY shut down the government,  not all out blasted it away as half of the people on here seem to think.  The fact that they have tried to reopen and fund many parts of it and been that has been rejected is pretty sad.


The refusal to pass and fund needed parts of the government by the Senate just because the house (or at least the majority of it) has finally decided to rightly put an end to our unlimited spending is outright ridiculous.  The gop controlled house may have picked a crap time to insist on sitting down and making a budget, but either way our leaders should be sitting down and finding a way to make a compromise...  (whether you understand it or not that is why we have the 3 branches split with separate powers in a check and balance system)


Our country is facing a debt crisis that will take compromises from both sides if we want to come out of it and not doom our future generations or the Country itself.  Deciding to sit on their hands and not do anything as the Senate and president are currently doing is about the same as a whiny rich kid who decides he's going to ignore everything around him because his daddy wouldn't keep forking over the cash.  


Sry for the original wall of text...  I had spacing/etc.  But creating an account (or possibly this sites mobile side) seems to have removed the formatting. 

JoeOrsak
JoeOrsak

@mraugustwestie @RickD What's not normal is to run a country with no established budget.  To spend money like it's going out of style and to continue to add government spending programs like the travesty that is Obamacare is (How can we call it the affordable care act when it's anything but)  and not expect eventual utter and complete failure is ludicrous.  

If it takes people on the left calling people on the right "terrorists" and more ad hominem as usual, then so be it.  We're headed for collapse and everyone has their handout for the latest free cell phone plan.

LarryBaldwin
LarryBaldwin

@DazzRat  If the people wanted to get rid of Obamacare, Romney would be President now.  That remark is nonsensical

Budster64
Budster64

@DazzRat LOOK AT THAT!! This is twice I have been impressed beyond belief by your grasp of what all Americans want and need. You've obviously above the grade in pretty much every respect.

LarryBaldwin
LarryBaldwin

@NicholasRobinsn @SuzanneSmith @karlelli  Well that would be true except you forget to mention that the Republicans lost seats in that election, and thanks to their actions now will probably lose their majority, and that is a good thing.  They need to clean house, get rid of the "tea party" and become a reat party again

dwagoncakes
dwagoncakes

@ottawaguy2014 @SuzanneSmith The only thing that disgusts me more than the President and Congress are people who are so ridiculously stupid that they believe that one side or the other actually wants what's best for them.