Boehner: No End to Government Shutdown Without Concessions

"The President just can’t sit there and say, ‘I’m not going to negotiate'"

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House Speaker John Boehner insisted on Sunday that there aren’t enough votes in the chamber to pass a “clean” bill to reopen the government or raise the debt ceiling unless Democrats make some concessions to Republicans.

“There are not votes in the House to pass a clean [funding measure].” Boehner said on ABC’s This Week. “We are not going to pass a clean debt limit … The votes are not in the House … We are not going down that path.”

His comments, as the government shutdown enters its second week, were meant to push back on comments by President Barack Obama that a combination of Democrats and moderate Republicans could pass a measure to fund and reopen the government if only Boehner would allow a vote to come to the floor. Republicans have been holding out in an attempt to use the shutdown to defund or delay Obama’s signature health-care-reform law.

Boehner again knocked Obama for being unwilling to negotiate over short-term government funding or the debt ceiling, noting the tax increase Obama already secured as part of the so-called fiscal-cliff agreement late last year.

“The President just can’t sit there and say, ‘I’m not going to negotiate,'” Boehner said. “He got his revenues. Now it’s time to talk about his spending problem.”

Asked when the shutdown will end, Boehner replied, “If I knew, I’d tell you.”

Dan Pfeiffer, a White House senior adviser, called on Boehner to prove the votes aren’t there by allowing a vote to happen.

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charlessease
charlessease

  American people Remember this on the next  election day,  American people Remember this on the next  election day,  American people Remember this on the next  election day

charlessease
charlessease

Congress should get back to work I heard someone from PA speaking about what is Fair.  Fair is shutting down any pay to congress that is what would be fair as they are apart of the government.  fair is not shutting down parts of the government and paying others in the government. Get back to work congress

charlessease
charlessease

enough with all the talk, who cares about talking let get back to actions.  some health care is better than none.  There are three types of people 1) those who make things happen 2) those who watch what happen 3) and those who say what happen.  I believe on the next election a lot of republics will wonder what happen.  Then they will think back to Oct of 2013 The government shut down speaker of the house  Boehner should be voted out of congress

daridekas
daridekas

it seems to me more like a boxing match than a political debate.

admin2 http;//invetrics.com

dectra
dectra

Bohener is a COWARD

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

If Obamacare had been about universal healthcare for all Americans then Democrats wouldn't have been so quick to remove the public option via Obama's backroom deal with the healthcare industry, and they would've passed the House bill with its public option instead of making a whole new bill in the Senate.

If Obamacare had been about reducing healthcare expenses, it A) wouldn't have kept operating through the insurance industry, an expensive middleman driving up costs, B) would've addressed the nursing shortage, C) would have addressed tort reform, and D) would have provided healthcare simplistically rather than through a giant government bureaucracy that obviously will only increase costs.

Both the Associated Press and USA Today conclude that premiums are going to rise across the United States as a result of Obamacare.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/07/20/kaiser-new-york-insurance-premiums/2570873/
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/18/197085/obama-boasts-of-health-care-savings.html

There is a growing list of employers who will cut jobs and hours to avoid Obamacare's 50 jobs, 30 hours requirements. Obamacare will destroy U.S. jobs on a level not seen since the Democrats passed the 2007 Fair Minimum Wage Act driving U.S. jobs overseas with a minimum wage increase of more than $2.00/hour.

http://news.investors.com/politics-obamacare/090613-669013-obamacare-employer-mandate-a-list-of-cuts-to-work-hours-jobs.htm

So clearly Obamacare was not passed to provide affordable healthcare to all Americans but for ulterior motives. One of those was obviously abortion, which Obama promised Planned Parenthood back in 2007. That Democrats refused to pass the House bill once its Stupak Amendment removed their abortion agenda, and risked their alleged "healthcare reform" back in November-December 2009 by having the Senate make a whole new bill and undergo the risky Reconciliation process, shows Obamacare was always more about funding abortion than providing healthcare to Americans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqww8jmizug

That healthcare has always been a top donor industry to the GOP for decades may have been another motivation for the Democrats attempting to take control of the industry. It had been donating over 60% Republican before 2008, but that changed by 17% in one year. Democrats by taking over the industry could harm a top industry of their opponents, gaining control to force those who funded Republicans into retirement.

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/totals.php?ind=H

drudown
drudown

Actually, it is just the opposite. The minority party in Congress cannot disguise an Unconstitutional "Legislative veto" by calling it "a request for concessions". Sorry, "concessions" must be negotiated WHEN THE LAWS ARE PASSED. 

For Boehner to even intimate that the President "could" give "concessions" would render our President's duty to Faithfully Execute the Law a nullity. That's how absurd the GOP's position is. They are now asking the President to commit an impeachable offense during the course and scope of their own impeachable transgressions of applicable law. 

RussFowler
RussFowler

The problem of giving the DEM a clean CR means that the REP will try to fix Obama Care and the DEM will block it completely.

That is the problem right now. DEM only want a clean CR. Nothing else. If the REP gives in, then the DEM will go on another spending spree. No cut back on anything. Like they been doing the past 7 years.

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

There were a number of Democrats re-elected who voted against Obamacare, and conservative districts re-elected them to continue opposing it.

-Senator Joe Donnelly
-Senator Mary Landrieu
-Senator Mark Pryor
-Representative Mike McIntyre
-Representative Jim Matheson
-Representative John Barrow
-Representative Stephen Lynch
-Representative Nick Rahall
-Representative Dan Lipinski
-Representative Collin Peterson
-Representative Tim Ryan


The American people elected both Republicans and conservative Democrats in 2012 to continue opposing Obamacare.

jason024
jason024

The Senate passed a budget this year. The Senate has sought on 18 different occasions to have the competing House and Senate budgets go to conference and have been blocked by Republicans on those 18 occasions.

I doubt these Tea Baggers read about the bill that Boehner is not allowing a vote on. It's full of concessions and is essentially a GOP wishlist in line with the sequester level spending that they want to maintain (or preferably lower, since it's not crippling the country enough yet). It would pass if it was voted on, since the Democrats already caved.

The spending cuts are there....heck even the Democrats caved..yet now according to some GOPers it is all about pride. Pathetic.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@Jzyehoshua They were trying to compromise with the GOP. The more fools them, there is no compromise to be had with the American Taliban.

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

@mantisdragon91Democrats like to attack their opponents as the party of Wall Street, while hoping that people don't realize that:

1. Obama received more money from the rich (large contributions) than his opponents in both 2008 and 2012, and it wasn't close.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/index.php
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.php

2. Obama and the Democrats were the ones primarily responsible for the bailouts of both Wall Street and the auto industry. Democrats took over Congress after the 2006 elections and passed both sets of bailouts. Obama personally urged Congress to pass the bailouts of the banking industry - twice.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/10/obama-urges-bai
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1871532,00.html

3. Not only is General Electric, NBC's long-time parent corporation, the biggest tax-dodging company of all, but its CEO, Jeffrey Immelt is now Obama's jobs czar. Immelt hiked his pay 172% in 2010 according to pg. 31 of the IPS report using the $139 billion bailout General Electric got from Congress - bailouts Obama urged Congress to pass. As a side note, the IPS report shows that the top tax-dodging companies are actually headquartered primarily in Democratic states, not Republican ones. (p. 32)

http://www.ips-dc.org/reports/executive_excess_2011_the_massive_ceo_rewards_for_tax_dodging
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/10/obama-urges-bai

4. The original TARP/Bailout bill was passed with 172 House Democrats voting in favor to just 91 Republicans. Most Republicans (108), unlike Democrats (63), actually voted against the Bailouts. It's ridiculous that Democrats actually blame Republicans for the Bailouts of Wall Street when they passed them, not Republicans.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml

http://www.smh.com.au/business/700b-bailout-approved-as-democrats-credit-obama-20081004-4tx4.html
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13631.html
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/9/29/183210/355/legislation/Time-For-The-Dem-Bailout-Bill
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader_calls_out_Democrats_for_financial_bailout
http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/09/25/democrats-and-corporate-bailouts/

5. For all Obama's criticism of the medical industry, it was his backroom dealing that removed the public option from Obamacare. Obama's rhetoric has never come close to his actions in those back rooms.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/policy/13health.html?pagewanted=2
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/ny-times-reporter-confirm_b_500999.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/29/pelosi-not-planning-to-al_n_339188.html

Furthermore, Obama refused to provide visitor logs for the health executives who attended the White House. There's that transparency for you.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/yet-more-obama-secrecy-won-t-release-info-on-visits-from-health-care-execs

6. The Stimulus was an abusive misuse of public money used to hand out funding to Democrat interest groups, to the extent that as the Wall Street Journal observed, just 12 cents of every dollar went to actual job creation.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html

7. There is big money on both sides of the political fence. Democrats like to attack the Koch brothers, but ignore all the rich backers supporting Democrats.

Name - Rank (America's wealthiest) - Donation %

Warren Buffett - 2 - 84% D, 9% R
George Soros - 14    28% D, 0% R
Paul Allen - 17 - 75% D, 11% R
Jeff Bezos - 18 - 24% D, 3% R
Anne Cox Chambers - 19 - 100% D, 0% R
John Paulson - 20 - 60% D, 33% R

http://www.newsmeat.com/billionaire_political_donations/Warren_Buffett.php
http://www.newsmeat.com/billionaire_political_donations/George_Soros.php
http://www.newsmeat.com/billionaire_political_donations/Paul_Allen.php
http://www.newsmeat.com/billionaire_political_donations/Jeff_Bezos.php
http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/anne-cox-chambers.asp?cycle=08
http://www.newsmeat.com/billionaire_political_donations/John_Paulson.php

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@RussFowler Another spending spree? You mean like the one the GOP went on from 2000-2006 that destroyed our budget surplus.

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

@jason024 Republicans want an under control budget, and they passed their own budget also. I don't think much of the Ryan Budget, but it was a budget. 

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

@mantisdragon91 @Jzyehoshua Democrats never compromise, they just pretend they are willing to. They never compromised at all in 2009 when the bills were being made and now say the bills can't be changed or removed at all.

RussFowler
RussFowler

@mantisdragon91 @RussFowler 

Not like Obama and the DEM did from 2008 to present. Twice what Bush did in his 8 years with the last two years of Bush when they took control. Obama gave Bush hell for all the spending he did in 8 years, but Obama did twice as much in half of the time.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@Jzyehoshua @jason024 And I want unicorns and fairies. Both of which or more likely than the Ryan budget, which by the way includes anticipated savings from the implementation of ObamaCare.

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

@mantisdragon91 @Jzyehoshua Wrong. The ACA passed without any GOP votes when the House bill was passed in November 2009, when the Senate bill was passed in December 2009, and when the reconciled bill was passed in March 2010. Not sure what you are talking about.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@Jzyehoshua @mantisdragon91 Stop the lies. There were several moderate GOP Senators that voted for ObamaCare and removing single payer was the price they extracted for their votes.

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

@mantisdragon91 @Jzyehoshua Not true. Democrats did not meet with Republicans at all, and had complete control of Congress when single payer was removed. Republicans could not block Obamacare at all at the time so Democrats didn't meet with them at all. It was Obama who removed single payer in a deal with the healthcare industry.

drudown
drudown

@Jzyehoshua 

So what are you saying? Surely you aren't going to assert that the competitive pricing aspect of Obamacare isn't, in fact, "good for Americans"? Get real, lobbyist. 

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

A reason the GOP complained so much about a takeover of industry may have been because they saw it as a Democrat attempt to take over their top donor industry. Which it very well may have been, with the Democrats attempting to gain control of the top industry donating Republican. Because Obamacare clearly wasn't about single-payer, and it didn't address the nursing shortage, tort reform, or other root issues behind rising healthcare costs. So there were definitely ulterior motives behind Obamacare that had nothing to do with the good of Americans.

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

@mantisdragon91 @Jzyehoshua If you check Opensecrets' industries section and the totals tab for each industry, it becomes clear where the funding for both goes.

The GOP are generally funded by business, particularly healthcare (though that's changed since the Democrat takeover with Obamacare), oil/gas, misc. manufacturing/distribution, banks, and pharmaceuticals.

Democrats are funded by the government and arts moreso, including lawyers/law firms, unions (particularly public sector), computers/internet, education, the media, and lobbyists.

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

@mantisdragon91 @RussFowler So expensive Obama managed to outspend Bush in well less than half the time? Without the promised results while employment dropped 2%? 

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

@jason024 @Jzyehoshua But the Senate bill did not include the main amendment both Republicans and pro-life Democrats wanted, the Stupak Amendment. A major reason the GOP voted against the House bill was that they believed the Stupak Amendment would be stripped from the Senate bill to reinsert the abortion agenda, which it was.

jason024
jason024

@Jzyehoshua @jason024 "So Democrats wanted to conference before but not now? "

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Why do it now when the minority party decides to use government workers and the debt ceiling as hostages? This was never the forum that things get  done. Let alone trying to tie a policy issue with the budget. It is all about setting a precedent. Do you really want Democrats to do the same when the GOP is in power? This is not good governance no matter what party you support.

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"Republicans back in 2009 trying to conference with Obama and he refused to."


Why did he have to? He held a supermajority in the Senate and majority in the House. If that isn't a mandate from the people then what is?  You also conveniently forget that they were able to fund the government through the normal appropriations process WITH GOP input.

jason024
jason024

@Jzyehoshua

Patently false:

"According to a HELP Committee document about bipartisan aspects of the health reform bill the committee passed July 15, 2009, its final bill included '161 Republican amendments,' including 'several amendments from Senators [Mike] Enzi [R-WY], [Tom] Coburn [R-OK], [Pat] Roberts [R-KS] and others [that] make certain that nothing in the legislation will allow for rationing of care,' and reflected the efforts of 'six bipartisan working groups' that 'met a combined 72 times' in 2009 as well as '30 bipartisan hearings on health care reform' since 2007, half of which were held in 2009 [HELP Committee document, 7/09]. And according to the Senate Finance Committee's September 22, 2009, document detailing the amendments to the Chairman's Mark considered, at least 13 amendments sponsored by one or more Republican senators were included in the bill."

shepherdwong
shepherdwong

@Jzyehoshua"Democrats cannot expect to act like tyrannical dictators, passing whatever they want without any Republican input..."

You're a deluded, whiny moron. Republicans, secretly backed by a handful of billionaire plutocrats, plan from day one to deny President Obama any legislative accomplishments, fail to gain enough seats in government to legitimately change a law (invented by Heritage Foundation "conservatives") that they had poisoned with outrageous lies and propaganda, sabotage the US economy and then hold the world economy hostage to get what they couldn't get through the electoral process, and it's Democrats who are acting like tyrannical dictators?! 

Brainwashed idiot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/us/a-federal-budget-crisis-months-in-the-planning.html?_r=0

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

Democrats cannot expect to act like tyrannical dictators, passing whatever they want without any Republican input, while the American people protest their unjust actions, and then expect Republicans once in power to just let those corrupt bills stand. They were made partisanly and will be protested partisanly which is only fair.

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

@mantisdragon91 @Jzyehoshua @jason024 Actually Bush let the Democrats make the laws from 2007-08 even though he was president, he didn't go vetoing everything they passed. Bush was willing to work with the Democrat Congress his last 2 years unlike Obama with the current Republican Congress. He even went so far as signing an agreement to withdraw troops from Iraq.

The 2010 elections were indicative of what the American people thought of Obamacare, which is why there's a Republican Congress now. Obama's dishonest propaganda made the 2012 elections a mandate not on his healthcare bill but on Romney's reputation.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@Jzyehoshua @mantisdragon91 @jason024 Because the GOP lost the last two national elections. Election have consequences. They don't get to make the laws. The Democrats do. The same thing happened in reverse when GWB was in office. Deal with it.

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29651.html @mantisdragon91 @Jzyehoshua @jason024The House made a healthcare bill with a public option and passed it in November 2009. The Senate then made an entirely new healthcare bill and refused to pass the House bill because Democrats were furious that their abortion agenda was removed from the House bill via the Stupak Amendment, and set about making a new bill to reinsert it. They were willing to risk not having a healthcare bill or a public option just so they could give more funding to Planned Parenthood.

http://mag.newsweek.com/2009/11/27/abortion-s-new-battleground.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504365_162-5605926-504365.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120254656
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aI.clKoFb__M
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/10/abortion-haggling-looms-health-care-debate-senate/
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/11/a-new-frontier-opens-up-in-the.html
http://thehill.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=66969&pop=1&page=8&Itemid=70
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29651.html

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

@mantisdragon91 @Jzyehoshua @jason024 None of that addresses the original House healthcare reform bill, the original one. The original healthcare bill was made in the House, not the Senate. Why doesn't your article address it at all?

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

@jason024 @JzyehoshuaSo Democrats wanted to conference before but not now? Republicans back in 2009 trying to conference with Obama and he refused to.

September 9, 2009
"The ball is in President Obama's court to reach out to Republicans if he wants a bipartisan bill on healthcare reform, House GOP Leader John Boehner (Ohio) said Monday morning. Boehner told reporters that the president has not invited House GOP leaders to the White House for meetings on healthcare reform since the end of April. Earlier this year, GOP leaders sent a letter to the president in May stating that they would like to work with the administration to find 'common ground' on healthcare reform. But the administration responded with a tersely worded letter indicating that they had healthcare reform under control."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/57859-boehner-gop-leaders-havent-met-obama-for-health-talks-since-april

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

@mantisdragon91 @Jzyehoshua @jason024 I think tax revenues will decline because of all the job losses Obamacare will cause, even aside from the fact that those projected savings are being mentioned separate from the costs. Overall the budget has increased substantially since we passed the stimulus and Obamacare.

Jzyehoshua
Jzyehoshua

@jason024 @Jzyehoshua @mantisdragon91 And because it fails to get government spending under control. When we are nearing $17 trillion in public debt it makes little sense for us to keep running $1 trillion annual deficits. We should be spending within our means and seeking to get back to surpluses, not continuing the runaway spending of recent years.