Shutdown Politics: On Day One, The Posturing Continues

Republicans and Democrats spent the day playing to public opinion, and digging in for the long haul.

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On Day One of the shutdown, Republicans and Democrats agreed on one thing: their party was right.

Politicians cheered party solidarity Tuesday, while acknowledging the damage they are causing by their inability to reach agreement. “Democratic unity is as strong as ever,” boasted Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) on the Senate floor Tuesday afternoon. “And that is a great thing, because it means that there’s hope. The bad news about today is, of course, that many innocent people were hurt.”

“It’s an enormous victory,” said an aide to Senator Mike Lee (R-Utah), who was instrumental in crafting the Republican party’s plan to tie defunding the Affordable Care Act to the government spending bill. “It’s unfortunate that it has resulted in a temporary government shutdown, but it’s an enormous victory in that we have for the first time in more than a year…been talking about Obamacare in a very substantive way.”

With much of the federal bureaucracy closed, House Republicans abruptly changed course Tuesday, proposing to reopen narrow—but popular—sections of the government, timing debate on the votes to coincide with the nightly news. The GOP proposed funding parts of the Department of Veterans Affairs, national parks, and the District of Columbia in hopes of alleviating some of the most visible and painful aspects of a shutdown.

Earlier Tuesday, World War II veterans bypassed barriers to access the National World War II Memorial with the encouragement of Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.). The National Zoo’s “panda cams” went dark. D.C. Mayor Vincent Gray last week to deem all of the city’s activities “essential” to shield government workers from the shutdown, although it is still unclear if he will be successful.

The votes, brought up under a fast-track procedure requiring a two-thirds margin, failed in the House, with Democrats withholding the required votes.

Even before House members voted, Majority Leader Harry Reid opposed the narrow funding measures on the floor and the White House announced President Obama would veto them if they came to his desk.

“Now they are focusing on cherry picking the few parts of government they like,” Reid said. Referring to the National Institute of Health, where nearly three-quarters of the staff was furloughed, Reid said, “We can’t be forced to choose between parks and cancer research.”

The Republican strategy marked an attempt to turn the tables on Democrats after a 24-hour drubbing in the media. Despite Tuesday’s failure, the House will push ahead Wednesday with at least two more targeted funding measures, including one to reinstate funding for the National Institutes of Health. Polls consistently show the GOP is being blamed by the public in the case of a government shutdown. It is also a tacit admission that there is no end in sight to the government shutdown. With negotiations non-existent, the Senate called it a day Tuesday before 7 p.m., and the White House is laying the groundwork for the long haul, scheduling an event for Obama on Thursday at a Washington construction company to pressure Congress to re-open the government.

Republican leadership aides said they expected more piece-meal votes, the intent being to criticize Democrats for voting down popular government services, without caving on their demand to delay the Obamacare individual mandate for a year.

“The President can’t continue to complain about the impact of government shutdown on veterans, visitors at National Parks, and DC while vetoing bills to help them,” said Michael Steel, a spokesman for Speaker of the House John Boehner. “The White House is unsustainably hypocritical.”

In fact, that strategy has worked before. Under assault from the White House for blocking efforts to lift the mandatory spending cuts known as sequestration, Republicans joined with Democrats to quickly push through a fix allowing the Federal Aviation Administration to avoid furloughing air traffic controllers after just days of painful flight delays. Obama signed the bill, and the White House came to regret it, as the highly visible problem and solution distracted focus from the lingering sequestration cuts.

Senate Democratic leadership believes a short-term resolution keeping funding levels constant would keep the government open and allow time for the two sides to come to a conclusion on how to fund the government. The Republican House leadership argues that since President Obama delayed the implementation of some elements of the Affordable Care Act, including the employer mandate, the individual mandate should be delayed for a year.

The differences could be resolved in a House-Senate conference, the usual process for hammering out differences which Democrats say Speaker Boehner has blocked all year. But it is the Speaker who introduced the notion Monday, albeit right before the shutdown deadline. While the Senate Democratic leadership tabled the proposal Tuesday, Reid said he would consider a longer term funding measure if Boehner first passed the Senate’s resolution to reopen the government without preconditions.

Looming over the crisis is the need to raise the nation’s debt limit by October 17, a far more serious crisis that threatens the nation’s ability to meet its financial obligations. Twenty four hours into a shutdown, aides in both parties appeared to give up hope on a swift reopening of the government, predicting a drawn out funding lapse to combine the two fiscal imperatives.

205 comments
DavevanRijckevorsel
DavevanRijckevorsel

One will never be able to fight terrorism abroad succesfully  when  it is obvious that it is allowed to exist in one's own country. The tea party is conducting political terrorism. They are obsessed with power. I bed that they are also opposing laws that reduces the right for individuals to own weapons. Americans, wake up. Do what is good for many, not what is good for a few.

AbrahamYeshuratnam
AbrahamYeshuratnam

Obama’s economic polices will soon lead to hyperinflation. Apart from $17 trillion debt, deep recession, massive unemployment, failure in foreign policy (Syrian and Benghazi debacles), economic analysts are anticipating a sudden economic collapse.  .David Buckner said that in discussing hyperinflation, people often refer to the Weimar Republic, Zimbabwe, and Bolivia, but say “it could never happen here” because a “certain kind of layering has to occur” that America hasn't seen. But it is going to happen . Obama's obstinacy in implementing Obama-care which will help African Americans and immigrants at the expense of traditional Americans has led to shutdown. Obama has to yield to save the nation. 


HangDiver
HangDiver

What's the difference between a House Republican and a Terrorist? A terrorist will tell you he wants to destroy our country.

barneydidit
barneydidit

But the Republicans are just trying be reasonable....they just want the Democrats to sit down with them and discuss how much of a law that's been passed, ratified and deemed Constitutional they're willing to give up in order to get the government back. 

I mean sure, the Republicans could develop and propose their own healthcare bill, then use its popularity to get enough Republicans elected to allow it to be passed and Replace Obamacare...you know, like the Constitution spells out as the solution for disagreements regarding valid laws...but this shutdown idea if Obamacare isn't scrapped seems like a good idea too.  How could it possibly blow up in Boehner's face?

small_axe
small_axe

For 50 years the Republicans have been blocking any and all healthcare initiatives, and now that it is a reality, having been shoved down their throats, they are running around telling everyone who will listen: "Why won't the Democrats wait? We WANT healthcare. We REALLY do. Just give us a CHANCE. We'll SHOW you how much we want to help everyone.

LMFAO. It's must have been an epiphany.

Percy
Percy

The majority of Americans have common sense and decide rationally, and with some level of compromise, when presented with information that hasn't been sucked in and regurgitated out by sensationalistic and perverse news entities. Where really can citizens get the news not only about this country but on countries abroad on a widespread basis? It's not available. With every media based source of information all it serves to do is rile people up, create a division between people, and boost their own ratings by twisting any facts to serve their ultimate purpose which is to keep you watching. If BBC America were on in every restaurant, bar, airports, etc, instead of Fox News the government wouldn't be shut down, Americans would have already had healthcare and there wouldn't be this bitter divide across the country as though we were two countries instead of one

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

The number of House Republicans who are unhappy with the party’s strategy that has resulted in a government shutdown is small, but it is growing and nearing the point that would give Democrats enough votes to pass a bill — if the GOP allowed a vote.

So far, 14 Republican members of the House have publicly stated their willingness to vote for a clean CR – a continuing resolution to fund the government without any conditions attached.

The bills offered by the Republicans so far insist on defunding Obamacare or delaying parts of it.

If every House Democrat were to vote for a clean CR, then only 17 Republican votes would be needed for such a measure to pass.

But that would still require Republican leaders, who control the House, to allow such a measure to come for a vote.

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., reiterated this to a group of reporters on Tuesday when he said: “All I know is I think this shutdown’s a bad idea and I want a clean CR.”

Rep. Devin Nunes., R-Calif., echoed King’s sentiment saying, “If you’re going to take these extreme measures, you better have a plan to win, and I don’t know if there’s a plan to win.”

At least six of the Republicans come from districts that voted for President Obama in 2012 and four others come from districts that voted for Obama in 2008 but flipped to Romney in 2012.

According to an ABC News count, these 14 Republicans would be willing to vote for a budget that does not include any changes to Obamacare:

Lou Barletta (Pa.)

Charlie Dent (Pa.)

Mike Fitzpatrick (Pa.)

Randy Forbes (Va.)

Michael Grimm (N.Y.)

Peter King (N.Y.)

Frank LoBiondo (N.J.)

Pat Meehan (Pa.)

Devin Nunes (Calif.)

Erik Paulsen (Minn.)

Scott Rigell (Va.)

Jon Runyan (N.J.)

Rob Wittman (Va.)

Frank Wolf (Va.)

small_axe
small_axe

Granted the Tea Party cretins are pissing in the punch bowl, but that not withstanding, this country now has somewhat nationalized healthcare.

All in all, it is a great day!.

PaulDirks
PaulDirks


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/01/shutdown-government-real-reason/

Between April 23 and July 1, Senate Democrats asked for consent to go to conference on the budget resolutions 15 times, and were shot down by Senate Republicans 15 times,for the following reasons:

  • They wanted a framework for how the conference would work.
  • They wanted a guarantee that the budget would not be used to raise the debt ceiling.
  • They wanted a guarantee of protection from tax hikes on corporations and the wealthiest Americans.
  • Some of them wanted to debate the resolution again.
  • They wanted an agreement on a 30-year budget outlook.

Notice that not one of these reasons has to do with the ACA. What’s truly odd is that Sen. Sessions and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), two of the Republicans that blocked various conference requests, asked for a conference prior to passing the resolution. They knew the process, and then backed away from it early on, and dug their heels in with subsequent requests. Other Tea Party senators, including Ted Cruz and Mike Lee (R-UT), also blocked requests.

AlphaJuliette
AlphaJuliette

On Meet the Press last Sunday Sen. Ted Cruz said that President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Reid should "listen to the voice of the people," the majority of which, he claims want to repeal Obamacare.  Oddly, the honorable Senator from Texas is being very liberal with his statistics.

What the good Senator actually meant was that the President and the Majority Leader should listen to the voices of the majority IN TEA PARTY DISTRICTS.  In other words, the 22%'ers.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/the-tea-party-we-are-the-22-percent-20130926

The Tea Party is loosing ground within the Republican Party as the extreme tactics they employ are being recognized as harmful to the nation.

"And as Gallup found, the gap between Republicans and the tea party may be widening. The pollster's 2010 survey on the movement found that 65 percent of Republicans said they supported the tea party. But Thursday's survey found that that number has dropped nearly 30 points, with just 38 percent of Republicans now saying they support the tea party. And there isn't much love in the other direction, as just 55 percent of tea partiers have a favorable view of the Republican Party.

This helps explain why Cruz took to Rush Limbaugh's airwaves just minutes after ending his Senate floor speech to slam his GOP colleagues as cowardly defeatists. And it helps explain which "American people" Ted Cruz is listening to when he says that he's heeding the will of the people. He's listening to the 22 percent, not the 59 percent who say he shouldn't shut down the government to defund Obamacare."

allthingsinaname
allthingsinaname

Shutdown Politics: On Day One, The Posturing Continues

Or as I prefer:

Shutdown Press: On Day One Posterioring Continues

HazeAndDrizzle
HazeAndDrizzle

"We are talking about Obamacare"...like whenever did they stop. Nearly entirely disinformation, but they did not stop. The real deal is the exchanges are up and interest is intense. Not interest running away but interest running towards. Big mistake of timing for the Repubs.

What they want is shutdown, pure and simple. Obamacare is a smoke screen. They been trying this and working up to it for three years steady. Three lost years in American governance. Look at what they added to shut down the American financial system in two weeks - a kitchen garbage can full of extraneous political blackmail and terrorist demands. Until they destroy this country to place it under one party rule, they will not rest. They are using Bashir Assad's political play book with unlimited political gas attack on the entire population of the US.

nakleer
nakleer

One thing is to try to gain political leverage at the expense of the Government party; but, it's very un-patriotic, to keep  the whole USA, hostage of the Tea Partie's machinations.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

How Europe views the shutdown

Russia: The state-run media, naturally, had a field day. The Moscow Times, an independent paper, summarized the reaction: “The budgetary battle made headlines in Russian media on Monday. “The ‘Elephants’ Are Robbing the U.S. Government,” read a headline in the government-run Rossiiskaya Gazeta, referring to the symbol for the Republican Party. The state television broadcaster Vesti cautioned, “The U.S. government may be left penniless on Tuesday.” The Times itself worried about the effect of “federal government without money” on “the issuance of U.S. visas to Russians or support to cosmonauts on the International Space Station.”

Germany: The German press erupted in criticism for American politicians on Tuesday. Der Spiegel Online proclaimed, “A superpower has paralyzed itself,” while The Welt predicted “fatal consequences” that could damage the U.S. recovery. The Zeit newspaper blamed a “handful of radicals,” stating, “A small group of uncompromising Republican ideologues in the House of Representatives are principally responsive for this disaster. They are not only taking their own party to the brink, but the whole country. Unfortunately the leadership of this party has neither had the courage nor the backbone to put them in their place.”

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/10/01/2707751/how-the-world-sees-the-government-shutdown/


Openminded1
Openminded1

@small_axe You should throw a party small man and invite all the bleeding hearts you know and the ones on this site, and maybe a few muslims from flatbush. Of course you would bare most of the expense, so i do not know how that would work out. Call the city leaders of detroit they just got an extra hundred million, if they have not all ready spent it on there own party. crack is cheap right now in Detroit city, so they may have some left but you better hurry>

small_axe
small_axe

@AlphaJuliette The Tea Party, like true fascists anywhere, can only abide by democracy while they feel they hold the majority. When they lose it, their utter contempt for democracy quickly comes to the surface.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@HazeAndDrizzle God you dems are so much like Muslims and mormons, always trying to convert everyone and no way is right unless it done by a democrat . Obama the second coming. dumb ass

HazeAndDrizzle
HazeAndDrizzle

@nakleer  They are traitors and deserve to be called nothing less. Next they destroy the financial system in a few weeks with more political terrorism and abuse of power.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@mantisdragon91 do you have a job? you spend your whole life on your love for Obama  and the party.  what a bore. 

small_axe
small_axe

@Openminded1

More on the BBQ.

You brag about how much money you have. Good for you. When you get invited to a BBQ I hope your not a cheap phq and you bring some shellfish or something. Me, while not poor, maybe I have less than you, so I'll bring some steaks or chops or something. But the guy who lives next door, maybe he doesn't have so much, but at any BBQ of mine, if the guy shows up with some hot dogs or frozen hamburgers or whatever, I might not eat 'em, but he sure as heck is welcome at my party.


small_axe
small_axe

@Openminded1

Are you still following me around? Each post more retarded than the last.

As for BBQs and parties, we all know that the best ones are when everyone chips in together and brings what they can.

You buy people's affection and think they're giving it to you. Good grief. Your wife is probably one of those who has the sweetest expression on her face when she looks at you, but shows a face like she's eating a log of sht behind your back.

Pathetic sad little man.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@small_axe @AlphaJuliette You still do not get it dummy, the Tea party is not the GOP. The TP morons have there own agenda. They have some of the same traits, but yet a different kind of Jack ass.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@Sibir_Russia @mantisdragon91 another 600 democrats in a homeless shelter, whats new, they are upset because federal assistance has come to a halt. Its just for another 10 days or so and things will be back to normal for them they will be able to by there booze and crack and panhandle and all the other fun things they do on a daily basis.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@Sibir_Russia @mantisdragon91  

Estimates of homelessness in the US (based on 2009 projections): 600k to 2.5 million

Estimates of homelessness in Russia (based on 2008 projections): 5 million +

Openminded1
Openminded1

@small_axe @Openminded1 a bbq that I would attend you would never be invited to. You do not live in that kind of neighborhood. The wine is fine the food is way over your price range and no one comes empty handed. at the last BBQ Peter Jennings widow was there. Not your kind of BBQ, This is the Neiman Marcus crowd not wal mart.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@small_axe @Openminded1 Nice try ass hole been married 35 years, we sit on our balcony 32 floors up over looking the ocean and laugh at morons like you who have no life other then to slam the GOP. No one follows you ass wipe, I have been on this site a lot longer then you. I think it is the other way around. I buy people's affection, were did you get that from your one track mind imagination. I am generous to family and friends because I am not cheap, but Loved by one and all who know me, because with me they get it said like it is not bs PC crap .And my wife would not have patience for a sissy like you. You are so easy, you get manipulated by me everytime , you are so weak.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@mantisdragon91 @Sibir_Russia A new friend for you to play with mantis, a russian ass wipe, he is not black. Oh wait maybe he is a black Russian, no that is just a drink, well I am sure you can dream.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@Sibir_Russia @mantisdragon91 For a guy who hates the USA, i hope you are not living here, because if you are the FBI, NSA and even the morons at TSA have a file on your vodka drinking ass. and if you do live here you are without a doubt a hypocrite .

MrObvious
MrObvious

@Sibir_Russia @DonQuixotic @mantisdragon91

Alternative media in the United States say the opposite. The number of homeless people in the United States is steadily growing, and the official statistics is not true. 

In your alternative reality media, how do you square the fact that you got twice the amount of homeless people compare to USA? See, I'm not proud of it. I'd like to fix that problem. You seem to think it's really really bad here while ignoring how much worse it is in Russia.

Look - fix your own mess before you makes claims about others.

Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

Start to study with, what is a ПМЖ in Russia.

If you understand this, the rest is not difficult to understand.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@Sibir_Russia @DonQuixotic 

Yeah, nah, your claim is bogus.

Upon research after serving his sentence, a Russian prisoner is legally entitled to an apartment.  Similarly: 

http://www.anthrobase.com/Txt/H/Hoejdestrand_T_01.htm

"Given the substantial terms of conviction that are common in Russia, there are still plenty of prisoners waiting to enter homelessness due to the old practice."  

They are not "homeless" while they are serving time in prison.

Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

@DonQuixotic @Sibir_Russia 

Word of the homeless (БОМЖ) in Russia of the letters - Без Определенного Места Жительства. 

Use the online translator.

Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

If a person in Russia to be put in jail, and his house burned down - he is considered to be homeless.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@Sibir_Russia @Openminded1 @DonQuixotic @mantisdragon91 Sibir give the russian propaganda crap a break you will not convince any of us and that includes the bleeding heart libs on here about you country is better then ours crap. I do not agree with most of what the bleeding hearts say, but they are at least good americans, even if they are misguided.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@Sibir_Russia @DonQuixotic @mantisdragon91 

People who qualify as legally homeless in the US are: (1) those who are currently homeless, (2) those who will become homeless in the imminent future, (3) certain youths and families with children who suffer from home instability caused by a hardship, and (4) those who suffer from home instability caused by domestic violence.

I can assure you, the US has that covered.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@Sibir_Russia @DonQuixotic @mantisdragon91 Alternative media? you mean your own warped mind and your russian propaganda media that you vodka heads love to use to twist reality and make yourselves feel better.  by the way you have some very ugly women and bad breath, you guys ever hear of Listerine? 

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

I also trust the government's count of homeless rates - since they can actually go out and tally it - than a guesstimate from the media.