Prez: Government Shutdown Won’t Stop Obamacare

Tells Republicans it's not up for debate

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President Barack Obama said Saturday that his signature health care reform law will move forward next week even in the event of a government shutdown.

Obama, in his weekly Internet and radio address, said the so-called exchanges where Americans will be able to comparison shop for health insurance will open Tuesday as planned. Congressional Republicans have been trying to use the looming expiration of government funding to strip funding from and otherwise gut the law. But Obama reiterated that neither the threat of a government shutdown nor the looming need to increase the debt limit put the health care law up for debate again.

“No one gets to threaten the full faith and credit of the United States of America just to extract ideological concessions,” Obama said. “No one gets to hurt our economy and millions of innocent people just because there are a couple laws you don’t like.”

Obama said he wants the public’s help in getting the word out about the exchanges.

Washington Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, giving the Republicans’ weekly address Saturday, said Obama wants to “take the easy way out” by raising the debt ceiling without cutting spending.

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Phoenicia
Phoenicia

I am a 4th stage cancer patient on Medicaid receiving treatment at M.D. Anderson in Houston.Tonight, I listened to Congressmen, almost all men, preaching their concerns for jobs and businesses as they continue to fight against healthcare for America.America is the only major industrial nation which does not have a national healthcare system.While they are fighting to refine and delay healthcare as they also fought to refine and delay Civil Rights legislation, thousands of people are dying or being crippled or going bankrupt because of lack of medical care or outrageous medical bills. To deny or delay medical care is to kill people in the greatest nation on earth, it is a form of murder, it is a form of warfare.

I have had to listen to a fellow patient scream at me in a nursing home that I am an “animal” because I poured a glass of water and thus disturbed her religious arrogance, or talked on the phone with my family.  Today, I had a dishonest psychologist come to my nursing home, Medicaid bed to complain about the Democratic Dogs or animals on the internet.This fascist psychologist wants to “ help “ my mental health with insults and threats to anyone who questions the Republican Party’s right to continue murdering, bankrupting, and crippling Americans through medical neglect.Since when did being an elected member of Congress give you the right to murder people?For all those people like me who are on the border between living and dying, for whom another year is a life and death matter, please pray with me that Republican Congressmen and psychologists will see the light and stop treating Democrats as Dogs to be spayed and neutered or exterminated.This is America, my father and mother fought a War led by Democratic Presidents against concentration camps.Let me remind the Congress and the American people that people are dying, people are being crippled, going bankrupt and going blind.Delay is murder.

Holywooooood
Holywooooood

Bagger's need to go - they've wanted to overthrow the government since '08.  

jmac
jmac

Why Republicans think they will win this shutdown since Newt lost his: 

"Back then, Rupert Murdoch's Fox News Channel was a year from its debut, Andrew Breitbart was a lowly assistant at E! Online, and The Drudge Report was an obscure gossip and news digest sent by e-mail -- to the lucky few who had e-mail. But today, a fervent group of conservatives -- bloggers, pundits, activists and even members of Congress -- is harnessing the power of the Internet, determined to tell the story of the current budget showdown on its terms. "

They actually think Fox, Breitbert and Drudge are helping the Republican party?   They've ruined the party I used to vote for.  They've got the south and rural mid-America.  They use to have a lot more than that.  It's like they're deaf, dumb and blind.   


JeremyBayer
JeremyBayer

Everybody can agree that ones bills (medical or not) should’t be paid by the masses.  Also, I am a humanitarian who believes that if an individual has utilized every means they have then the masses should help.  I also believe that Americans spend more money each year on healthcare for others, that something has to be done. 

My point is, there is arguments each way that could be made relevant. There is no one individual that agrees with another on every point, and because of that, I chose to take the good with the bad and make it happen. 

JeremyBayer
JeremyBayer

lol, you both need to relax.  I understand both points and both a moot. 


fitty_three
fitty_three

Ahhh, one more point:

You said I was in the minority. You lose there too. Anyone over the age of 60 is very likely to face situations very similar to mine.

So, DeadManWalking, you have lost all but one point, that being that health care insurance doesn't suit you.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DeadmanWalking 

One other thing:

While you have had experiences yourself regarding health care, I seriously doubt that you paid the entire $4M yourself. I don't claim to have paid the total $2,880,000 we've been charged either. I have both understand and empathy for your problem, which appears to be chronic.

My point is this: You tried to claim you weren't a social Darwinist, and you are smart enough to know that resources aren't evenly distributed (which is fine), it is clear that you implicitly believe it.

I condemn you in the harshest possible terms for your failure to recognize this.  You remind me of other people I've seen that once they have theirs, everyone else can literally die trying to get theirs.  

Libertarianism is such a convenient, and hideous vehicle for hiding that foul sentiment under.


fitty_three
fitty_three

@DeadmanWalking 

Did you know that I have been required to meet inspection standards since I started Home Health Care?

Did you know that I will be required to submit to an inspection when I begin the process of setting up for in-home hemodialysis?

So my suggestion: Fine, be a Libertarian. But also DO NOT LIE to try to make your point!

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DeadmanWalking

After reviewing these, your claim of "Forced entry and inspections" is ridiculous.  It is under this portion of the HHS notice:

"Taken together, the two agencies bring expertise in early learning and development, the prevention and identification of child maltreatment, the improvement of maternal and child health outcomes, and family engagement."

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DeadmanWalking

Ooh, so well endowed, so well provided for, huh? In any case, you can't beat experience.  Not by a long shot:

* We make 49,590 / year total.

* My wife had spinal sepsis, almost died several times, and was in the hospital and urgent care system for two years.  

* She entered the system on 2/23/2010. She exited the system on 4/3/2012.

* She ran up $2,273,000 in bills in 2300 accounts with Regence, Medicaid, and Medicare.

* My wife has been home, recovering, and I am her primary health care provider working under the Home Health Care provisions of the PPACA (I have a hunch your ridiculous claim of "forced entry for inspections" is from this portion of the law)

* Each day I provide her health care here at home, I save the government approximately $2000.

* I have an extensive inventory of medical supplies, which I manage and will soon be increasing that inventory to include in-home hemodialysis. This task requires high level skills and a dedication to the scheduled dialysis sessions. Consequences here for shortcutting here can be deadly, and quite rapid.

* I pay nearly 28% of my total gross income in medical expenses, which is manageable.  Keep in mind that is insurance premiums and residuals from the three insurances.

* I provide medical care at a nursing qualification level.

* My job is very intensive, and I have been directly involved in providing GIS services for one of the largest successful environmental restoration projects in the world. I've been at it for 15 years F/T.

* My responsibilities under these conditions are tough, unremitting, and unforgiving to lazyness.  They are likely to be responsiblities that you could NOT handle. Shirking them would cost me my job, or my wifes' life.

NOW WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN?

internetfavs
internetfavs

whats wrong with america that they are so afraid of healthcare for everyone?


internetfavs.com

fitty_three
fitty_three

@jmac  

They're in a cycle where they - and the baggers - are believing in their own propaganda, not realizing that propaganda is just that:

propaganda.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@JeremyBayer

You do, that's fine. Keep in mind that the GOP is about to do something really stupid and for their own sake I hope they face reality.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DeadmanWalking  

BTW, I don't take documentation from the Animal House.

I went with HHS, and I intimately understand the nature and purpose of these clauses.

1. Forced entry would only occur via due process, where abuse is documented and the removal of the in-home care recipient is deemed necessary to prevent further endangerment.

2. Inspections cannot be done by force. HHS will simply defund the recipient of the benefits and deny them services.

DeadmanWalking
DeadmanWalking

@fitty_three @DeadmanWalking You are the minority.  You have had a rough time dealing with health issues.  The reason I have the screen name of Deadman Walking? Well I have been pronounced legally DEAD 7 times in my life.  I too have wracked up a TON of medical bills.  Over $4 million since the first time I died when I was 13.  I am now in my 40s.  I feel for your wife and I can understand where you're coming from.  However, your health issues and your wifes are not my nor anyone elses responsibility.

Should the government be responsible for your care? I personally do not think so.  There are a number of charity organizations that can help with your families care.

I can not say I have walked in your shoes. Nor can I say I understand or even comprehend the pain and suffering that you and your wife have gone through.  But I can honestly say that I wished that you never had to go through any of that.

That being said.  It still is not the responsibility of others to help foot the bill for those that can not pay.  You may have my sympathy, just not my money.


DeadmanWalking
DeadmanWalking

@internetfavs Well, those that have never been sick a day in their life. WHY should they be forced to get health care?  Oh wait, to PAY for those that ARE sick and haven't been paying their medical bills.  OH YA, yet another "FREE" program that is paid by those that shouldn't have too.


fitty_three
fitty_three

@internetfavs 

Aside from the fact that America isn't the GOP, I'm guessing they don't want to get treatment.

JeremyBayer
JeremyBayer

@fitty_three @JeremyBayer AndI will wake up tomorrow with the same injuries and the same life style.  Both of your points are self-invested and at the same time understandable.  The government is about to spend money just to prove a point that they can shut themselves down….. Nothing that any of them do makes sense and none of “those people” will listen to any of our points.   So relax

fitty_three
fitty_three

Also, you can choose not to participate.  It will only cost you $400 this year.

And, btw, you need to "live with it" because it's the law of the land and this country is not going to go Libertarian - ever.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DeadmanWalking  

I don't use your money. 

Also, to make several points:

Just say that you have a lot of money and you want to keep what you have.  Be honest and DO NOT LIE in order to make your point.

That way, it will be clear that you base your beliefs on your Libertarian leanings.

swagger
swagger

@DeadmanWalking @internetfavs everyone gets sick at some time  especially when you're older. i never saw a doctor for forty years then with only the slightest of symptoms i went to the hospital ER and had a 5 lb. tumor and a kidney removed.  no insurance.  you, taxpayer, paid for it.  you never had a car accident but the tyrants force you to have car insurance.  it's all part of managing risk so that in fact younger and healthier insured do subsidize older people but expand the pool of insured to reduce everyone's cost.  and he who subsidizes will in turn, as they get older, be subsidized.  kinda like the way SS has ALWAYS been--young paying for the old who when they retire are supported by following generations of young.

and guess what, you can be a social dropout and go live in the woods eating berries and killing rabbits and such.  the rest of us don't want your stinking anti social behavior, which no doubt includes carrying guns in public, and we will say good luck and good riddance.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DeadmanWalking 

First, if you ever do get sick, all those premiums will pay for themselves.  Healthcare is expensive.

Second. You don't pay for my healthcare.  I pay 28% of my income in residuals and premiums and it would be far worse without insurance, which I have. 

You're confusing actuarial distribution of risk for socialism, or something.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@JeremyBayer 

Get a thesaurus and look them up. Expand your vocabulary. Maybe there are sections that apply to me (which I differentiate), and not to the current expansion, except in tangential ways.

You don't have to believe me I don't much have a worry about that: of course, there's always the option of dumbing down and listening to FOX. Take yer pick.

Oh, and if you think that this is not an emotional issue, think again. I invest each and every day in my wife's life with hard work related to responsibilities that cannot be shirked.

Crack that Websters open, too!

JeremyBayer
JeremyBayer

@fitty_three @JeremyBayer Because I am interested in what you are saying.  But you fail to understand that use of reduces through, once again, a thesaurus, only makes you SOUND like you know what you are talking about. 

JeremyBayer
JeremyBayer

@fitty_three @JeremyBayer Good, than put facts out there without regards to you personal opinions.  You say you to dispel the myths, then do such in a way that doesn't disregard your point when you attach your feelings.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@JeremyBayer

Well, why didn't you just come out and say you don't like the way I write?

That would have saved me a bunch of one finger typing on a Kindle and it would have just been an issue relating solely to you.

JeremyBayer
JeremyBayer

@fitty_three @JeremyBayer wow, do you really speak like this? Is your language (or use of a thesaurus) make your point stronger? believe me, I don’t have all the answers, but that is a step of understanding that you need to understand as well. 

fitty_three
fitty_three

@JeremyBayer

You assume I'm not. Long assumption. It was a debate, and merited in depth discussions.

Sorry it doesn't please you, but my purpose is to dispel more than a few myths about a law I have considerable knowledge of. 

amazedatthisworld
amazedatthisworld

@fitty_three They can come to my house to collect my "fine". Hopefully this country comes to its senses and repeals Obamacare long before I have to worry about it.

JeremyBayer
JeremyBayer

@fitty_three @DeadmanWalking Wow, never mind.  You’re a complete dirt bag.  And look, I didn’t even have to use a dictionary to tell you…. simple and to the point, right?

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DeadmanWalking 

If the country goes Libertarian, you prevail, but it isn't, so "LIVE WITH IT".

You're an undeserving self victimized individual.

DeadmanWalking
DeadmanWalking

@fitty_three This country would have never been founded if the founders just 'LIVED WITH IT". Now would it?

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DeadmanWalking 

From the law itself.  

The minutes of Congress are NOT the same as the law.  That only records what was said by people in Congress.

And let me anticipate a bit:

You're going to try to present minutes from the Animal House, huh?

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DeadmanWalking  

Let's see you do it from a non-political site.  Like the original wording.

I don't want to have to fight through the ridiculous taint of propaganda.

amazedatthisworld
amazedatthisworld

Really? It seems to me that it is EVERYONE in this country that is victimized by this travesty of a health care act. Any health care reform that involves insurance companies is a sham. The few of us smart enough to realize that are wasting our breath on hopeless people that think government can make their lives better.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DeadmanWalking 

You've been preaching from a soapbox.  Greed is good and damn anyone who takes what I have.

You're an undeserving self victimizer.

DeadmanWalking
DeadmanWalking

@fitty_three @DeadmanWalking I don't use drugs. I rarely drink alcohol. I have a Top Secret security clearance. And I make $147.35/hr as a consultant for my consulting firm that I have owned since 1994.  I am the Vice-Chairman of the Libertarian Party of Caddo Parish.  I know a few things and I know even more people.  I do my homework on topics. I do not preach from a soapbox.


fitty_three
fitty_three

@DeadmanWalking 

Think what you want, but the gist of your lying and bs is mainly that you just basically don't wanna and that you don't like having to pay for your healthcare that way.

So you're talking from the standpoint of greed, not need.

But that's typical Libertarian bs for ya.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@DeadmanWalking

No, it may not be for everyone, but that's the price you pay for being a citizen in this country.  It will all even out in the end, believe me.

BTW, I know much more than you  think.  $2,880,000 more than you think I know.  Three years more than you think I know.

DeadmanWalking
DeadmanWalking

@fitty_three @DeadmanWalking So you admit to having a bias to OmabaCare, there's a shock.  I keep a savings account for medical needs.  It earns interest and builds on itself.  You pay premiums for years and you get no use out of it.

Some people must need a little visual aid, so here's a demo:


Those that get medical insurance through their employer average around $650 to $800 per month for their premiums.
That is between $7,800 to $9,600 a year  that is tax free income, BUT does not earn interest and if you don't need health care, is wasted.

The average Doctor visit for a minor illness is between $300 to $600 per visit.
The average ER visit is around $1,500 to $2,000 per visit.

So if you just go for your yearly wellness visit and one time for the flu or some other minor health issue and one ER visit per year, you've STILL wasted $4,600 that year in premiums.

Health Insurance is NOT for everyone.  Some people just have a much better constitution than others.


fitty_three
fitty_three

@DeadmanWalking 

And would you need the HSC if you had health insurance?

The math does even out.  And if you have a ton of money, why are you whining?

Keep in mind that you are talking to someone with extensive experience with the PPACA. And that experience is real life experience, not some hodgepodge bs courtesy Ayn.

DeadmanWalking
DeadmanWalking

@fitty_three @DeadmanWalking I put the money I would NORMALLY pay for premiums in a savings account.  Then when I DO need them, I have a fund to be used.  And guess what. I have a TON of money in that health account.  Sorry, your math does not work out.