Morning Must Reads: September 11

In the news: 9/11 anniversary, Obama addresses the nation on Syria, the NSA, Colorado gun law, and Bill de Blasio

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  • In Prime Time, Obama Struggle to Reason with Nation over Syria [TIME]
    • Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) responds [TIME]
    • Senate is wary of working with Putin on new diplomatic proposal [TIME]
  • New Yorkers Mark 12th anniversary of Sept. 11 [WSJ]
    • Safer Since 9/11? Nation Splits on Party Lines [WSJ/NBC poll]
    • Thousands to rally on Benghazi anniversary [Hill]
  • “The National Security Agency’s searches of a database containing the phone records of nearly all Americans violated privacy protections for three years by failing to meet a court-ordered standard.” [WSJ]
  • “In an unprecedented backlash, two state lawmakers who helped stiffen Colorado’s gun laws were ousted Tuesday in a recall that turned into a nationally watched referendum on gun control.” [L.A. Times]
  • “Bill de Blasio, whose campaign for mayor of New York tapped into a city’s deepening unease with income inequality and aggressive police practices, captured far more votes than any of his rivals in the Democratic primary on Tuesday.” [NYT]
  • Eliot Spitzer loses bid for New York city comptroller. [Politico]
  • Virginia Governor’s Race: Where they stand on the issues [WashPost]
596 comments
Sue_N
Sue_N

I'm out of here, peeps. Elder daughter is taking me and hubby out to eat for our anniversary. We celebrate #23 on Sunday.

Later!

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

Here is the problem Collie. You like to pretend you are smarter than everyone, but every time you post your prove how little you know about Geo politics, history and economics. Instead of hurling insults, try listening and opening your mind to opinions different from your preconceived notions. You might be taken more seriously on here.

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

Today's LiveFyre update -- Sue, I mentioned your comments disappearing because it happened shortly before I responded to him yesterday, couldn't think of others. If any of you have specific examples let me know. I had asked if we could see any more comments than what shows in the profile popup box, thus his response about that. Asked about edit today and responded about frustration if comment goes away to "moderator." 

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Just a quick update on the first issue before highlighting the others: The URL issue will be resolved tomorrow at about 5PM PST tomorrow; I'll follow-up and let you know once that fix is live. Once it is, old links won't be corrected, but, moving forward, all links will be good to go per the normal!

For the comments disappearing, and for Sue_N in particular, I think I know where the problem lies. I see at least one comment of her's has been removed from the stream and, if a TIME moderator simply approves it, it'll show right back up. Also, a large number of hers she deleted herself, from what our system shows me. Do you have any other users in particular reporting the same issue with their comments?

And finally, in regards to profiles, at the moment with TIME's particular Livefyre integration there's no way to view more comments than what's displayed in the profile pop-up, but, a little pro-tip:

  1. Go to Google.com
  2. Type in "site:time.com <"insert text of comment here (to the best of your recollection">"
  3. Search it!

Since all of Livefyre's comments are embedded into the HTML of the site, they're Google crawlable, so even if you can find the comment in the profile, Google will go a long way for ya in finding comments you may not be able to find otherwise!

sacredh
sacredh

I scanned through and saw you folks talking about what you were doing when 9/11 hit. I was working midnights and had just got to sleep. My wife woke me up and said there was a terrorist attack. I got up and watched the news until I went to work again that night. Work had called and said that we were going into lockdown mode.

sacredh
sacredh

@Sue_N, congratulations and I wish you and your hubby many more years of happiness.

AlistairCookie
AlistairCookie

@Ivy_B Anything to report about the "likes" disappearing downthread?  Just curious.  Unless it's a stand alone comment, the "likes" on replies seem to disappear after a little while.  It's just annoying.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@Ivy_B Okay, one or two of the "moderators need to approve" might be the cøcktail thing (seriously?). But I don't recall deleting "a large number" myself. So I don't know.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@Ivy_B To paraphrase our last clown in office

"You're doing a heck of a job Ivy!"


Ivy_B
Ivy_B

@sacredh I have absolute visuals of when JFK was shot and 9/11. As to dating myself - I also have a picture of my older brother running down the stairs to tell my parents the war (WWII) was over. I was a little toddler, but this was a BFD. Both of my sisters were in Honolulu on 12/7/41 and a nephew was born that very day. Can't imagine my parents concern until they knew they were all ok. Pregnant sister's husband was in the army.

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

@sacredh That was interesting to read. Glad Don Q asked the question.

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

I've noticed that as well. Thought I'd wait until comments fixed before dealing with that.

deconstructiva
deconstructiva

@Sue_N @Ivy_B 

I was somehow getting caught in one of the TIME / LF filters and it made comments go invisible for awhile. The reporters forwarded my problem to tech folks (and I had emailed LF support too) and they somehow patched it up. Hope it works for good, but I also hope you're not experiencing same problem.

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

@Sue_N It was yesterday when you were saying Testing, Can you see my comments, etc. late in the afternoon.

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

@mantisdragon91 Thanks, taking it in spirit it was intended. Soon time for my glass which is more than half full!

sacredh
sacredh

@outsider2011, I've been busier than I like to be. Hopefully, it'll be over in a few days. My wife canned while I was asleep so I didn't have to help today.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@Ivy_B @sacredh I don't remember JFK getting shot (i was, like, 1 1/2), but my mother used to make us watch the moon landings and such (and I am so grateful she did!). I remember watching Monday Night Football when Lennon's death was announced, and I was in the library studying when I heard about Elvis' death.

But 9/11 was a thing unto itself. And something else I remember was how empty the skies seemed after it. I had never really paid attention to just how many planes I was used to seeing overhead until there were none.

sacredh
sacredh

@Ivy_B, 9/11 was one of the very few events that people will always remeber where they were and what they were doing when it happened. For me, it was the Kennedy assassination, MLK, the moon landing, Lennon getting shot and 9/11. we're still in quasi-lockdown mode. Our public areas have never reopened because of security concerns.

sacredh
sacredh

" Downthread I noted that we could date since we're both about the same age."

My wife would kill me if she ever caught me with another woman. She's never said a word about another man. ;  )

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

Downthread I noted that we could date since we're both about the same age.  Alas, my cheatin' days are ovah  ; )

fitty_three
fitty_three

@collioure 

Proper Swamp etiquette demands that you say it through clenched teeth while screwing the barrel of your Kill-O-Zap blaster pistol into the side of his noggin while asking that question.

I think that since you're French, the hivemaster will look the other way - this time....

fitty_three
fitty_three

@mantisdragon91

I'm going to take your sources .over his:

Dead Liar, FOX, and Drudge.

He probably gets a French tingle out of Rush, too.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@collioure Al Jazeera, BBC, Economist, ThinkProgress, Slate, Salon, family in Mossad, CNN, etc. etc. Where do you get yours

collioure
collioure

But that isn't the point.

Where do you get your news?

deconstructiva
deconstructiva

@Ivy_B 

With the great job you're doing getting LF issues fixed, maybe TIME can hire you to lead tech team? Or be their chief librarian and research expert? I'd guess you can work from home since it's a short hop from Philly to DC or NYC.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@Ivy_BB

I don't have any kingdoms, but you can have Sacred's.

It's a bit run down due to the fact that on bad mornings, he shells his subjects, but it should make a good fixer-upper.

sacredh
sacredh

@Ivy_B, I'll donate my cat-o-nine tails to keep your subjects in line.

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

@Sue_N I guess, as you see he only mentioned one going to the moderator. If you read the discussion about edit buttons this morning with Don Q. If my guy can come through with an edit button, I'll have a lot of kingdoms to loll about in. 

Sue_N
Sue_N

@Ivy_B @Sue_N Interesting. So when it wouldn't let me comment, it was showing as I was self-deleting? Hm.

Well, whatever, that problem, at least, seems to be fixed. We all owe you for this, Ivy!

sacredh
sacredh

@outsider2011, it went great. They told us they had to nitpick to find anything wrong. The stuff was so minor that I laughed when I saw the write up. One of the inspector's told us that he'd never seen an installation as well run and ordered.

sacredh
sacredh

@outsider2011, I wasn't fed up or annoyed. I just needed a break. I have to take a break every so often. I also have a great deal of stuff I have to help my wife with. We're going to can pretty much all day tomorrow and Friday and possibly Saturday as well. I'm also on midnights and they wear me out. I'm almost ready to go back to bed now. We had a major inspecion at work yesterday and we had to get everything ready there as well.

outsider
outsider

@sacredh @outsider2011  

I also heard you were getting fed up or annoyed. Fifty too, but seems we're getting the old gang back together. 

I myself took 2 or three weeks off. I was getting annoyed. Same ole stuff back and forth. But it seems nice that everyone is coming back. We even had Stu jumping in and asking questions yesterday. Was pretty cool. 

retiredvet
retiredvet

@Sue_N @Ivy_B @sacredh Yes. Empty skies was very noticeable. Reminds me of the Blizzard of  '78 when the quiet was so noticeable for a couple weeks after.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

Sue - I was almost two then - wanna date and not tell our spouses??  LOL

sacredh
sacredh

@Sue_N, I was huge Beatles fan from the first time I ever heard them. I probably hadn't gone more than a couple of days from 64 to 80 without listening to either the Beatles or their solo work. After Lennon got murdered, I didn't listen to them for almost 2 years.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@sacredh @Sue_N My husband (well, he wasn't at that time, lol) got in trouble at school for sneaking to the flag pole and lowering the flag to half staff (he's a huge Beatles fan). The principal was not amused.

sacredh
sacredh

@Sue_N, I was watching MNF when Lennon got shot too. My wife called from work and I told her I was thinking of flying to New York. She wanted to go too. I then called work to report off. We didn't go, but my boss never ever asked me about taking 3 days off work. He just said, "I'm sure you have a good reason".

sacredh
sacredh

"MJ too. i didn't even like him much - but i remember when i heard about it." 

I only remember that one because of the pool at work. I had Charlie Sheen and  Lindsey Lohan.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@sacredh

Dating yourself is pretty easy when you have two cells with different numbers. Sexting?

I don't think you need to even ask...

outsider
outsider

This past weekend i was watching documentaries and interviews on when John died. There was a good one called the day Lennon died. 


And interviews with the other three, and what not. No idea why - just got it into my head this past sunday.

outsider
outsider

@sacredh @outsider2011  

Don't get me wrong, Diana is no MLK, or Lennon. But it was something that stuck out - simply for the oddity of it. 

MJ too. i didn't even like him much - but i remember when i heard about it. 

outsider
outsider

@sacredh @outsider2011  

that's pretty awesome. 

I remember hanging with the guys drinking and my mom bursting in telling us Diana had died; but it was more like she ws shocked and wanted to tell someone. We were all pretty surprised too, i have to say. 

sacredh
sacredh

@outsider2011, when MLK was shot I was almost 13. He was one of my heroes. I'd been playing basketabll at the park and came home and my mom told me he'd been assassinated. I took a joint out on the front porch and was sitting there smoking it when my mom came out. She asked me if I was OK and then went back into the house.  Is that a great mom or what? She didn't saya thing about the doober because she knew how upset I was.

sacredh
sacredh

@retiredvet, I finish up midnights in the morning and then I'm off for 10 days. I'm really hoping to have all of our canning down by Friday or Saturday. My wife asked me what we shouldtackle next. I told her "something disgusting".

outsider
outsider

@sacredh @Ivy_B  

I was 8 and i remember Lennon getting shot. The others were before my time. But i remember 9/11 and Lennon