McCain Withholds Support on New Syria Resolution

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Updated Wednesday, 12:28 p.m.

Sen. John McCain on Wednesday declined to support a revised Senate resolution authorizing limited strikes in Syria, complicating President Barack Obama’s campaign to get congressional approval for military action in the war-torn country.

McCain, the Arizona Republican and Obama’s 2008 White House rival, has long been a strong advocate for intervention in Syria’s civil war, and Obama doggedly courted McCain’s support for the measure authorizing military force, including during a meeting at the White House on Monday. But McCain said the limited actions that would be authorized by the new draft resolution now don’t go far enough in responding to Syrian leader Bashar Assad’s alleged use of chemical weapons last month.

“In its current form, I do not,” McCain said Wednesday when asked if he supports the measure, the Associated Press reports.

McCain, who had previously said it would be “catastrophic” for Congress to turn down Obama’s request, may still back the measure if Senate negotiators alter it. While Obama won the support of House GOP leaders on Tuesday, McCain’s opposition could make it harder to bring other Republican foreign policy hawks aboard. On the flip side, it may make it easier for Obama to win support from war-weary Democrats.

The resolution, fleshed out Tuesday by Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez and Republican Sen. Bob Corker, who together head the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, puts a 90-day limit on action and forbids American boots on the ground. The resolution could be put to a vote as early as Monday when the House returns from summer recess.

“If the Congress were to reject a resolution like this, after the president of the United States has already committed to action, the consequences would be catastrophic, in that the credibility of this country with friends and adversaries alike would be shredded,” McCain said earlier this week.

[AP]

51 comments
GreenTabs
GreenTabs

The answer to the problem in Syria is not bombing a bunch of airfields and radar installations with missiles, it is putting together a coalition to go into Syria, find Assad and his henchmen, arrest them, and cart them off to the Hague to be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity. If it in fact is against UN laws to use chemical weapons, then get the guy responsible for it and bring him to justice. Period. In the mean time, tell the Syrian military and the rebels that we have no intention of engaging them in combat, nor of working with them in any way except to arrest the people who used the chemicals, after which we will go home. Tell them our intention is to go into Syria, arrest the criminals, and then leave. They can then resume their civil war any way they like. And, of course, anyone, military or not, that tries to stop the coalition from arresting Assad will be “taken out” if needed. Our issue is with the perpetrators of this crime against humanity, not with one side or the other in terms of who should rule the country.

roy1954
roy1954

DO WE  REALLY  THINK  THAT  OTHER  COUNTRIES  HAVE  US  SITTING  ON  A  PEDESTAL...  DO  WE  REALLY  THINK  THEY  APPRECIATE OUR  UNWANTED INVOLVEMENT IN THEIR  MATTERS...WE  NEED  TO  GET  RID  OF   OUR  WAR  HUNGRY  CONGRESSMEN, THATS  THE  SOLUTION  TO  OUR  NATIONAL  SECURITY AND  TERRORISTS  THREATS

almonjer
almonjer

THE JUDAS POLITICIANS ARE DOING IT TO US AGAIN! DEMOCRACY?! HOW IS THAT CONSIDERING THE PEOPLE TOTALLY OPPOSE THIS CHARADE AND THESE FACTS CONVENIENTLY NOT MENTIONED BY THE MEDIA:
3) Lavon Affair
2) Let me get this straight, American politicians are sending American troops to fight against the people fighting Al Qaeda, who we say are the worst and largest threat to America, and who the politicians have used to turn American society into the new Middle East with stripping away our freedoms? Can you say "1984"-Iran has 40,000 agents in North America (most in America and Canada-but also Mexico and the Caribbean and all over South America) that will respond against the AMERICAN PEOPLE with Boston Marathon and Oklahoma City like bombings. HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT AMERICA OR AMERICANS AS WE LOSE MORE OF WESTERN CULTURE AND A WESTERN LIFESTYLE?
1) Remember Colin Powell and Bush making the exact SAME statements on Iraq and the WMD and how Sadaam Hussein was involved in 911, and the Canadians let the 911 hijackers into the US-ALL BALD FACE LIES KNOWN BY THE PEOPLE THAT UTTERED THE STATEMENTS AND THE MEDIA. IF WE FALL FOR THIS AGAIN WE DESERVE POINT #2

dassa0069
dassa0069

Lots of accusations but where is the proof?

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CarlLegg
CarlLegg

Kerry said that "Al Qaeda is not involved in Syria". My sources say otherwise. 

"Al Qaeda-Affiliated Syrian Rebels Have 'Claimed Nearly 600 Attacks'"

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/us-travel-warning-al-qaeda-affiliated-syrian-rebels-have-claimed

"The radical Islamist group Al-Nusra Front took responsibility for 57 bombings. Only "shadowy Islamist groups" affiliated with Al-Qaeda, have claimed responsibility."

Syria is a cesspool of religious fanaticism and Islamic terrorism. Let them destroy each other in their civil war. This is NOT our fight. Stay out of this cesspool.


FlemingMDRM
FlemingMDRM


I believe it is imperative for both the Presidency and Congress to address the Syrian problem properly and in accord with the U.S. Constitution and International Law as established by the Constitution, Congressionally ratified treaty and Supreme Court rulings.

The President has authority to Unilaterally act using the U.S. Military if "repelling" an invasion of the U.S. and to take emergency actions to protect the lives and property of the U.S. and its citizens.  Should the President commit troops, under the War Powers Act (1973), the President must seek the Consent of Congress within 60 days.  Absent this emergency situation, it is Congress and only Congress, which have the authority to Declare War.

As established by the Founding Fathers, Article I, Section 8, Clause 2 is very specific in that Congress is the only branch of the Government, which can Declare War, with Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 establishing the President as the Commander in Chief.

Treaties become the Law of the Land under Article VI, Clause 2 and are entered into with the Advise and Consent of the Senate as established under Article II, Section 2, Clause 2.  Here, we have both the Executive and Legislative Branches of the U.S. Government responsible to the American people, to act in accord with the Constitution of the United States.  Since a Treaty has been entered into (The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights; ICCPR), ratified by Congress on June 8, 1982, we as a Country are legally bound by that Treaty.  The third branch of the Federal Government, the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS), has confirmed this:

“On September 8, 1992, the United States, following the advice and consent of the Senate,[1] became a party to the ICCPR, at which time the treaty became, coexistent with the United States Constitution and federal statutes, the supreme law of the land.10” U.S. v. Duarte-Acero, 208 F.3d 1282, 1284 (11th Cir. 2000)


[1] “[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur....” U.S. Const. art. II, § 2, cl. 2.

10“[A]ll Treaties made ... under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.” U.S. Const. art. VI, cl. 2.

The treaty having been ratified by Congress and ruled on as the Supreme Law of the Land by the SCOTUS, Congress has no choice but to act to honor its Treaty or admit before the World that it does not honor its Treaties.  I do not believe this is the message we as a country wish to send to the World.  It should be obvious that ALL Nations, which have ratified the ICCPR, are bound by it and must act accordingly to direct action against any nation state, which has signed and then violated that treaty.  Accordingly, Syria has violated the treaty, which it too ratified on April 21, 1969.  All nation states, which have ratified and signed this treaty, are obligated to honor it, including Russia who ratified the treaty on Oct 16, 1973 and Iran, which ratified the treaty on June 24, 1975.  A failure of Russia or Iran to honor their treaty obligation by blocking action through the U.N. would be as clear a message to the world as would a failure of the U.S. to honor its treaty obligation.

Accordingly, I call upon the Congress of the United States to honor its treaty obligations and to vote to call upon the U.N. to execute a response upon Syria for its violation of the ICCPR treaty.  Either the world Governments honor their treaties or they don't.  The time for pretense is over!!!

Most Respectfully,

Dr. RM Fleming

Karl
Karl

McCain may be bellicose and a loose cannon, but he is no fool. Kerry lied to that rich nursing home, I mean Senate, yesterday, when he answered a question by saying "no, Al Quaida is not involved in Syria". Every other news story about the rebels I've read since this war started talks about them there. The Senate may not call a lier (your spell checker does not know how to spell "lier"?!) on his lies but I will. If Kerry, who I voted for for President back in the day, is lying on this then I don't trust him when he says he has proof about Assad using poison gas. He has just been voted into the Colin Powell Diplomatic Tool  Hall of Fame!

DanBruce
DanBruce

McCain once again reveals why he was not fit to be president.

paul.abbotson
paul.abbotson

The credibility of this country with friends and adversaries alike would be shredded,” McCain said earlier this week. I think Obama's credibility regarding Syria and the mid east is already as shredded as shredded wheat and as full of holes as Swiss cheese. So what does McCain  really want to do ? Carpet bomb like he did in Vietnam? Make sure with Assad gone that the civi war between the secular rebels, who want an open and free  modern democracy and the Islamic fanatics who want sharia and purdah imposed,  to go on for another decade or two?

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/09/04/rebuffing-obama-mccain-a-no-vote-on-syria/#ixzz2dwZC2ao4

Airman
Airman

Harlo1686: You are correct. The senate version is flawed.

harlo1686
harlo1686

Mccain just pulled his support! He knows what hes doing!! At first I supported a strike to destroy the known chemical compounds. Its too late the strike won't happen until after the 9th its useless. Mccain doesnt say he don't support it he says he doesn't support it in its current form

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

John McCain wants war in Syria, after he's been convinced on it, because he supports it - just not now (and maybe never) - because it's the right thing to do except that it's not.

No wonder he spends all his time playing on his iPhone during these hearings.  He probably doesn't even know where he is.

harlo1686
harlo1686

Its too late to do what little action Obama is planning to do which is why mccain is changing his mind. A strike is useless at this point the regime already did what it had to do to prepare. Mccain don't want blood hes just smart enough to know the time to strike has passed

ChrisBrown
ChrisBrown

I like the final quote from McCain:


"If the Congress were to reject a resolution like this, after the president of the United States has already committed to action, the consequences would be catastrophic, in that the credibility of this country with friends and adversaries alike would be shredded,” McCain said earlier this week."

McCain doesn't know his own mind. It seems the country got lucky that this man didn't get in to the White House. Another senile leader like Reagan would have indeed been a "catastrophe".




MrObvious
MrObvious

Having no neck will help with the whiplash in going from yes to no in 6 seconds.

ChrisBrown
ChrisBrown

That shouldn't surprise us, I guess. The man who advocates air strikes and US involvement around the world has now decided that a limited attack on Syria is just not warlike enough for him. 

It's hard to say if this is just Johnnie getting all mavricky again or if he's toeing the party line. 

Channah
Channah

McCain is getting old.  Someday he will be gone.  He says something till it is done, then screams about it.  He just wants attention.  He really doesn't give a darn about the country.

I want to add here----why do I often have trouble signing in?  It will not pop up for me.  There have been times I just say forget it-and leave with no comment being made.

trojaniam
trojaniam

Let's put Johnny Mac behind the controls of a F-35 and let him have at it.  A bitter, unforgiving man, who never saw a war he could resist.

SheinAriely
SheinAriely

!!! Surprise !!
Syrian President Asad grandfather predicted Muslim Slaughter of Minorities, Praises Zionists.
You will get a very good explanation of the background of the many conflicts and bloodshed in the ME!
The letter was send to France prime minister on 1936 and today itis in France government archives.
French foreign minister,Fabius,quoted the later in 2013 at UN Security Council.
----
Remember when reading the letter was issued by people leaving in the ME for over 1200 years.
They know firsthand the ME people and ideology.
Westerns are using their own norms on debates and not the ME norms.
Westerns are wrong!
Unfortunately the letter content cannot be quoted on the comments>

Hopefully that the next sentence will not drive the moderator to scrape the comment>
Alawites  asked European not to create artificial states in ME including different ethnic,tribal,religious and groups that are antagonistic to each other.
They predicted a black f future for ME minorities>

Read the letter on:
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/analysis/dr-mordechai-kedar/assads-grandfathers-1936-letter-predicts-muslim-slaughter-of-minorities-praises-zionists/2012/09/20/0

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

Well if a guy who plays on his phone during testimony has an opinion I certainly respect it.

buffalo.barnes102
buffalo.barnes102

McCain is the poster boy for term limits. A little man with a big saber, trying desperately to make up for having to sit out the Viet-Nam "conflict" by stomping into any country he can find fault with. He, and the rest of the vicious old toads currently sitting on their lily-pads in Congress, should be swept out in their next respective elections. If old age brings wisdom, then what happened to this current group of senile and petty old fools, croaking and squawking like elderly diners when their coupons aren't valid at the Early Bird dinner special? For the record I am a 66 year old Viet-Nam Veteran. McCain does not speak for me.  

ToddGilbert
ToddGilbert

Only squirrel cheeks could be against it because we weren't gong to bomb enough for him.

cyelve
cyelve

I wonder what Vice President Pallin would have said...if in that alternate universe McCain were elected. Obama was damned if he had "Cowboyed up" and gone it alone, and as you see "weak" if he wanted a consensus.

j45ashton
j45ashton

Last time I checked, the constitution said that the president was commander in chief of the armed forces and congress' role with respect to military action was to declare or not to declare war.  So setting limits or dictating strategy is not congress' job.  And since the action Obama proposes is not a full fledged war, what in the world is all this?  The president opens the door to congress dictating strategy (which is abrogating his responsibility) except he knows he's under no obligation to follow any of congress' suggestions.  There is just a single question in play.  Does congress support Obama taking the police action of his choice to punish Assad for using a weapon of mass destruction in violation of world accepted norms.  Since the Senate has already ratified the arms limitations treaty, the answer is 'yes'.  So what is Obama doing?   Asking congress do you <i>really</i> support the arms limitations treaty?  Isn't he really saying put up or shut up?  What a sad state of affairs.  And the UK parliament...what a bunch of backstabbing cowards.  What an act of cowardice to sign on to the arms limitations treaty and then pull all the teeth from it.

LesPaulMarshall
LesPaulMarshall

Not enough killing for John, he's out. Unless the streets run red with blood. McCain's unhappy. He's not normal, he has PTSD, put him in a home, before he hurts another country. 

dectra
dectra

And once again, we see a plain example of the GOP 'double speak' when it comes to doing the right thing. What's next, John? Going to let Iran launch nukes at Israel? Why, it's just another 'red line' right?

McCain is a Coward; Thank GOD he (and that dizzy tw@t from Alaska) wasn't elected to the White House.

destor23
destor23

Well into his second term as President and Obama is still trying harder to work with the likes of John McCain, people who will pull away the football at every opportunity, rather than with his natural allies on the left.  Okay.

ChrisBrown
ChrisBrown

@roy1954 Other countries do tend to resent the US for its meddling and demands for special treatment of it's soldiers. I could give you examples where rapes and murders have occurred and the US refused to allow its service men to be tried in that country. One minor incident was the loss of life that was the result of joyriding pilots who cut a ski-lift cable in Italy. The pilots were taken out of the country and away from Italian courts.

The situation in Syria is fraught with difficulties that a US punishment action will not improve. Still and all Obama has allowed himself to be pushed into either sending over a few missiles or making empty threats about "red lines". Either way the situation in Syria will not get better.

(By the way can you ease up on the CapsLock?)                                                                                                                   

xo7893
xo7893

@FlemingMDRM There is NO concrete proof of WHO used the gas, where they GOT it from, etc.  Syria is NOT our business.  This is a civil war and we need to stay out of it and let them work it out, not jump in with no evidence but the words of an administration best known for it's lies and total disregard of the people who elected them.  If the politicians want to go to Syria, give THEM each a gun and a parachute and drop them in, but leave the rest of us (and our military) out of it.

ChrisBrown
ChrisBrown

@Karl Al Qaida is a catch all used as a bogey man. It is not an organisation like the communist party was with card carrying members. So your sources are right in claiming that dangerous groups of armed jihadists are among the rebels in Syria, and Kerry is also right when he claims that "al Qaida" is not involved. Al Qaida is really a propaganda construct and some jihadists attempt to use this as a front (i.e. Al Qaida in Iraq or Al Qaida on the   Arabian peninsula). It doesn't make that much difference either way as the situation in Syria is volatile in the extreme.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    

roy1954
roy1954

@paul.abbotson    don't  you  know by  now  that  McCain  is  two  faced....    only  a  fool would  believe  what  a  two  faced  person  has  to  say

roy1954
roy1954

@ChrisBrown I  HAVE  BEEN  SAYING  THIS  FOR  YEARS MCCAIN  IS  TWO FACED!!!! I  LIVE IN  ARIZONA  AND I  CAN'T  BELIEVE HOW  THIS  A44HOLE KEEPS  WINNING THE SENATOR  SEAT.  HE  ONLY  CARES  ABOUT HIMSELF  AND  THE PEOPLE WHO PUT  HIM IN  OFFICE ( NOT  THE  VOTERS ) MCCAIN  BELONGS  IN   A  MENTAL  WARD, NOT  IN CONGRESS... WELL.... MAYBE  THEY ARE  THE  SAME...  BUT  YOU  KNOW  WHAT  I MEAN

Airman
Airman

@ChrisBrown No soldier wants to go to war. But if they must, they fight to win. Chris, have you read the senate version of the "commitment action" for Syria. Senator McCain has. Perhaps you should withhold outrageous opinions before reading the facts. By the way, our country's credibility is already shredded, thanks to the Commander in Chief who never served.

 

yodadog
yodadog

@Channah Some day can't come soon enough-this man is a warmongering, repugnant fool. Same here on sign in issue-if it doesn't log in on it's own, there's no way to make it happen. And I can't figure out what made it start logging in, in the first place!

roy1954
roy1954

@trojaniam HE WILL ONLY  CRASH  THE  PLANE  AND  SIT  THIS  WAR  OUT  TOO

roy1954
roy1954

@Paul,nnto I WISHED  HE  HAD  WON  HIS  GAME  THO...  HE  IS  SUCH  A  BIG  LOSER

Channah
Channah

@buffalo.barnes102 I agree with most of what you say.

But, MeCain did not sit out the Viet Nam war-------unless you want to call his sitting in the Hanoi Hilton for what --5years?-- sitting out.  I do not consider being in a prisoner of war camp sitting out.

ChrisBrown
ChrisBrown

@cyelve This game has a name: the "double bind". I associate it with feminism but it may come from an earlier usage. Another way of putting it is "dammed if you do, dammed if you don't,"  

usmc.marine.0311
usmc.marine.0311

@j45ashton More from Barack Obama in 2007:

"To date, several Congresses have imposed limitations on the number of US troops deployed in a given situation. As President, I will not assert a constitutional authority to deploy troops in a manner contrary to an express limit imposed by Congress and adopted into law.

roy1954
roy1954

@destor23 MCCAIN  IS  AN  ALLY  I  HOPE  MY OPPONENT HAS  ON  HIS  SIDE

buffalo.barnes102
buffalo.barnes102

@Channah @buffalo.barnes102 

Yes, a SAM missile and his lackluster flying skills put him on the guest list of the Hanoi Hilton. I don't demean his bravery for enduring that ordeal. But, as a veteran with PTSD issues, that can get VERY angry in a Costco parking lot, I tend to avoid Costco parking lots. As it should be with McCain and issues like Syria