Morning Must Reads: August 27

In the news: a military strike against Assad

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

  • “Western powers told the Syrian opposition to expect a strike against President Bashar al-Assad’s forces within days.” [Reuters]
    • Defense Secretary Hagel says the military is ready to attack immediately. [Reuters]
    • “The White House reached out to Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) Monday as part of an effort to build congressional support ahead of what appears to be an imminent military strike against Syria.” [Hill]
    • “British forces are drawing up contingency plans for a ‘proportionate’ response to an alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria.” [WashPost]
    • “The reasons the situation has come to this are many and varied, but the most complex one can be summarized in one word: Iran.” [WSJ]
    • Destroying Assad’s chemical weapons won’t be easy. [TIME]
    • “Two Minds on Syria” [New Yoker]
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ahandout
ahandout

“No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.”   James Madison

Tager
Tager

I'm still new here but does everything turn into a race debate? It seems in just about every story i click on, the majority of the conversation is someone trying to prove that somebody else is a racist.

notsacredh
notsacredh

ahandout: "I see that the hive is celebrating 53's and sacredh's day of race baiting on the MLK anniversary. I would expect nothing less from you liberal hypocrites."

handy, As I'm sure you know by now, the two posters you were referring to were NOT fitty and myself. openminded1 is a retired black police officer and conservative. He has 2000 posts. I've got 8000. That would mean (for the mathematically challenged) that 20% of all the posts I've made were as openminded1. Seriously? Even you're not that thick headed. So you're actually trying to say that nobody noticed 2000 posts I'd made as someone else? Here's something else you may not know (the things you don't know are legion). Earlier today I made a post as "Ahandout1". It said that it should be a crime to be black and that 100% of all crimes committed by blacks were committed by blacks. I threw a capital "A" on the front and and number "1" on the end. The #1 was a sly dig at you for thinking I was openminded "1". Nobody caught that btw. I took quite a bit of (deserved) grief over that. I invite you use this to get me banned since you suggested that I should be banned (along with fitty) for two posters that you THOUGHT were fitty and myself. Don't be shy. Contact the high sheriffs.



 

MrObvious
MrObvious

  It was a member of the hive that was initially suspicious, SDQ.

If you want examples of a hive then look at the 'wingers instead. You can't get them to disagree on almost anything. It's generally the same ignorant slog over and over from the usual websites.


As a hive goes handy we disagree far too much to be considered one entity. Maybe you should look up projection instead and stare at yourself in the mirror. The ugly stuff you read in thread after thread as it gets linked to places like Drudge is all you and all your types.
You can generally see how it is by the similar regurgitated and false information.
And if you can't see the difference between Sacredhs regular egging on through pure sarcasm and snark it's because it sounds so similar to the dreck you read at redstates.
Sarcasm goes and dies when the reality comes so close to the absurd.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@Tager 

There is a lot of that going on, but it might be of interest to see who is starting it. See who mentions it first. 

Everything grows from that.

La_Randy
La_Randy

@Tager Not really, if you will click on oldest first on this thread you will see a completely different type of conversation. Information exchange writ large.

ahandout
ahandout

@Tager  Go figure. 

We can talk about whatever you want. 

In order to demonize the Tea Party and conservatives, the narrative from liberals is that they are all racists. 

What do you think is the reason?

ahandout
ahandout

@sacredsopenmind  I really don't know if openminded1 is a real dude, but if he is, he has some serious issues.

ahandout
ahandout

@sacredsopenmind   No, I don't have the time or the will to scour these threads.  It wasn't my thought.  It was the thought of another poster here, a member of the hive, which is not a hive of course.  There were several things other than what the aforementioned poster said that made me think that it was you.  So, OK it wasn't you.

You see where I might be suspicious since you change your name and troll.  By the way, your posts over there now are changed to "sacredsopenmind."
 

The high sheriffs are asleep at the wheel.  They should have locked down that mess long before it went as far as it did.  I don't like the idea of banning posters.

Re-reading it, it now see that most of the insanity was not coming from you.  Although you did contribute.  And Tea Party members are not racists, by the way.  Not where I live in California, and we have all races and even women (that's sarcasm.)  The whole idea of the Tea Party is about TAXES.  Unless you think that opposing taxes is racist.  In which case, you are nuts.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@sacredsopenmind 

Dbl like.

But I'm some totally other person. @hungerman, I believe. It's getting confusing with all the mind melds our headmaster has scheduled. My wife is getting confused, too. She tried to tickle me but I had to tell her that sacredh doesn't like to be tickled. Then, another voice in my head reminded me that those were his ribs.

They're still arguing...

ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious  What are you going on about Mr 0?  Are you that desperate to address me that you have to copy and paste every word I say? 

I got that MLK thread locked down, not any of the clowns that posted their insanity and encouraged more in return.

Tager
Tager

@La_Randy @Tager Yea, you are right. It was just mind-boggling how I expected Syria to be the the prime subject considering the possibility us military people being stationed there. I guess I should only skim through the evening posts.

collioure
collioure

@ahandout @Tager  

Yes, that was the invented false narrative against the Tea Party because they had no other line of attack.  The Tea Party had them for lunch in the 2010 House elections.

However, the Tea Party is hardly about race.  It's about limited government and budget economics.

As we know, the race card is the last refuge of the liberal scoundrel.

roknsteve
roknsteve

@ahandout @sacredsopenmind I don't agree with everything that was said on that thread and I don't like this name changing trolling stuff, but that's just me.

notsacredh
notsacredh

@fitty_three, I pull some boneheaded moves on occassion. Today was one of them. Whether I thought it was funny or not is immaterial. I was going to switch back to sacred in a few minutes anyway and it would have changed Ahandout1 back to sacred. I should never have done it. I changed it, said I was sorry and wouldn't do it again. Unless I happen to wake up dead in the morning, the chances are that I'll do some other boneheaded thing in the not too distant future. It's one thing to troll and another to adopt another handle (even briefly) that is similar to another poster's screen name. I still am going to troll. As for the argument that it cheapens the conversation, I say "What conversation?". I troll the hater threads. How could that possibly get any cheaper?

hivemaster
hivemaster

@Sue_N Thanks.  That made the confusion clearer, if that makes any sense.  I'm a visual processor of information.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@Sue_N

I think the US is better represented as bristling with more hate arrows than a porcupine has spines with another bunch of 'em that circle around to stick us in our behind.

fitty_three
fitty_three

Tager

Come by tomorrow. We had a lot of discussion on Syria.

We will tomorrow, too. Everyone's viewpoint is respected.

ahandout
ahandout

@fitty_three  Are you that obtuse that you don't understand that I am answering your specific question?  And, I am not saying what you think? GEEZUS.

fitty_three
fitty_three

ahandout

I wonder why?

Thanks for admitting it, though.

notsacredh
notsacredh

ahandout:

"Because, you are there antagonizing and getting a reaction just because you think it's fun."

There are times when trolling is fun and then there are times when I troll because of the comments that are being made by truly odious individuals almost beg to be trolled. I posted that just being black should be a crime and it immediately started getting "likes". I was trolling for sure, but I was also making commentary on how ridiculous some of the posts were. Maybe it makes a difference only to me. I can't control that.

ahandout
ahandout

@fitty_three @ahandout  I couldn't give two sh!ts about your respect.  You were on a thread about MLK yelling racist all f ing day you dumbSh!t.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@ahandout

There is the small matter of your peers. It's really hard to argue that bangers shouldn't be perceived as bigots when they keep literally climbing over each other to say the most hateful, bigoted things.

When you finally get to the point where you are tired of tarnishing your own image, you will get my respect, irrespective of whether you want it or not. 

Don't expect that perception to change until you and your peers do something to change it.

ahandout
ahandout

@sacredsopenmind @fitty_three  That was my point about racebaiting, sacredh.  Trolling a MLK anniversary article, and then you say, "How could that possibly get any cheaper?"

Because, you are there antagonizing and getting a reaction just because you think it's fun.  There are people like Tager that read that BS, don't know what is going on, and think it's real.  Some of it may be real or the whole F ing thing could be a cluster of trolls out to troll each other.  Like I said, I don't really know if Openminded1 is genuine. 

I have been on several boards when trolls were about all there were.  A troll meaning a sock puppet a fake, a joke.  Some posters had 3 or 4 personas.  They almost always got caught, when they forgot to change the name while replying with one of their online personalities.  It's caused me to not really take anything said online too seriously.

If you are not getting what I am saying, here it is:  I respect MLK.  His ideas deserve some respect.  Not a race to the bottom, because you think that it can't get any cheaper.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@sacredsopenmind

And of course, the value of those conversations were so low that it isn't even possible to degrade them further. Might as well extract some humor from the mix.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@sacredsopenmind

I am not going to even hint that I haven't transgressed. I've even made that point several times here today. What irks me is that I've been very gracious in discussing Syria and why I feel the way I do, but the very same self appointed policeman that chastised me, with some accuracy, I'll admit, did not exactly practice what he preached

His rear end cast too long a shadow.

ZacPetit
ZacPetit

@fitty_three For you maybe. The rest of us have to suffer through reading that garbage.