Morning Must Reads: August 26

In the news: Syria, MLK, the Bo Xilai trial, Millennials vs. Washington, and climate change

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

  • U.N. team headed to site of alleged chemical attack came under sniper fire and turned back. [WashPost]
  • On 50th ‘Dream’ Anniversary, Obama seeks MLK moment
  • Bo Xilai trial concludes as the public feasts on details of his alleged excesses.
  • Senator Lindsey Graham faces pressure from his right. [NYT]
  • “The Outsiders: How Can Millennials Change Washington If They Hate It?” [Atlantic]
  • Obama has bypassed Congress to enact his goals addressing climate change. [Hill]
    • U.S. oil production has reached its highest level in two decades. [WSJ]
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retiredvet
retiredvet

So there  you have it. A few nasty trolls who hate everything and are usually the quickest to comment, often making the same pointed, off-topic criticisms, over and over again. Sometimes it’s racist, usually it’s reactionary, often it’s self-indulgent, and it always lowers the level of debate.

collioure
collioure

The ignoramuses of the hive were on display here yesterday.  They are about as deep as were Barack Obama's campaign slogans which is about all most of them know.

Obama did not inherit two wars.  He didn't even inherit one.Iraq had cooled down, Al Qaeda had been defeated there, and the US was preparing to leave.  He did not achieve the desired hand-off.

Save a small insurgency in 2007-08 Afghanistan had largely been quiet since Al Qaeda had been expelled in 2001-2002.  Obama nearly tripled our forces there and essentially started a new war while simultaneously announcing our withdrawal.

notsacredh
notsacredh

If anyone thinks I'm going to take this lying down, well....I am going to bed. Goodnight.

notsacredh
notsacredh

Well, I came home, took a shower, scrolled through the comments and laughed my @ss off. thanks folks. I enjoyed it.

collioure
collioure

@retiredvet  

One of yesterday's topics was how the incompetent community organizer and his trusted general foolishly put our forces in harm's way up by the Paki border where their isolated outpost was almost overrun by a well-conceived Al Qaeda attack.  Some that survived got medals.  Those that didn't got buried.

I'm surprised a retired veteran does not understand such.

NP042
NP042

@collioureObama nearly tripled our forces there


tripled our forces there


our forces


So have you given up trying to claim that you're in a different country?  Or is the new line that you're an American living abroad?


You should also probably give up the "I dislike both parties equally" schtickt seeing as you continuously use 'winger terms such as "Barry O", "community organizer", etc.

Arimathean
Arimathean

@collioure  How can you claim that 1) Afghanistan was peaceful and 2) President Obama was able to restart a war by sending troops over?  If Afghanistan was largely peaceful, who fought against us after the surge?

I'm not big into the wars anyway, but your two conclusions are contradictory.

ahandout
ahandout

@collioureSo, now you are coming to realize that you cannot have a conversation with the hive.  That is WHY we call them the hive.  They act as one.  They do their stupid little attacks, and then that's it. POOF!  Attack, deny, attack, deny, lie, lie, lie. 

Aren't  they swell people? 



ahandout
ahandout

@sacredsopenmind  You don't want to have a long, late night conversation with Openminded1 like you did last night?  And then point it out?  And then wake up and point it out?  How weird.

ahandout
ahandout

@sacredsopenmind  Yeah it's very funny when you spend Sunday on a MLK 50 year aniversary article race baiting.  The fact the you think that's not a problem tells me a lot.

ahandout
ahandout

Kaine was taking calls during his final appearance on his "Ask the Governor" program when a producer announced that there was a call from "Barry in DC." The White House says the station knew it was the president but it was a surprise to Kaine.


forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@paulejb 

Good idea.  Because if you tell him to duck enough times, eventually he'll stop bothering and that's when you hit him.

Not to mention....Syria's got radar.  You honestly think they won't know the attack is coming?

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@collioure @retiredvet 

It's not a topic when you're the only one that believes that.  He had nothing to do with that outpost staying open.

collioure
collioure

@Definitely_not_NP042 @collioure 

I learned Barry 0 here.  It fits.

He was a community organizer (rabble-rouser) and you saw it as he dipped into the Trayvon Martin case.

As President he is incompetent.  There's a lot of bla-bla, numerous msisteps, and no accomplisment.

I am an American living abroad.  Never said differently.

collioure
collioure

@DonQuixotic @collioure  

It's isn't me who asks the childish, uninformed questions.

It's the clueless liberal bigots of the hive.

Off to the beach.

Bye!

collioure
collioure

@Arimathean @collioure  

What surge?  What fighting?

Maybe you have the countries confused.

We lost about 800 in 7 years of caretaking there. Then we lost 1500 on Obama's first 4-year watch and accomplished ??????

notsacredh
notsacredh

@ahandout, have you fed your paranoid delusions this morning? They're hungry.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@forgottenlord @paulejbAll our ships are invisible, and Syria would never know the Navy was there if Assad didn't read it in the papers. Duh.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@collioure @DonQuixotic @retiredvet 

He "picked" the director of the joint staff.  As I said yesterday, hindsight is 20/20, but if you're suggesting there was a better candidate at the time I'd love to hear it.  Obama and McChrystal openly disagreed constantly and he was effectively fired within a year.

collioure
collioure

@DonQuixotic@collioure 

Here are a  few.  The last one (yours) is a real doozy.

mantisdragon91 20 hours ago

@collioure @DonQuixotic So how long did you want to maintain 100 K plus US troops in Iraq? Because have no doubt that is the bare minimum needed there to maintain stability. And we would have been losing several hundred of them a year to hostile action.

(I had not recommended a large force)

DonQuixotic 22 hours ago

@collioure 

What should the engagement they're involved in have any relevance on their bravery and conduct as a soldier?

MrObvious 22 hours ago

@collioure 

You do know that it has nothing to do about where the soldiers serve but what they do right?

(I hadn’t criticized their bravery; I had criticized the foolish mission)

@collioure @MrObvious 

No we didn't - occupation leads to the situation we have today. Our goal should have been to destroy Al Queda. Not take over 2 countries.

(We never tried to occupy two countries, and Al Qaeda is in Pakistan, and the US cannot be on the ground there!)


DonQuixotic 22 hours ago

@collioure @retiredvet

in 2009 Obama reopened and escalated the smoldering conflict there.

Huh?

 

collioure
collioure

@DonQuixotic @collioure  

There are so many.

They don't know the facts.

All they know is Bush bad, Obama good,

and on this subject they ask the stupidest questions.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@collioure @DonQuixotic 

You're the one throwing around childish pejoratives like "third graders" and "ignoramuses" in the absence of any sort of dialogue on your part.

Please, quote me one example of a liberal being a "bigot" here.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@collioure @ahandout 

We had no such conversation.  Every counterpoint to anything you said was met with "you ignoramuses" or "you third graders".  You gave no counter arguments and frankly you looked foolish.  You probably realize this subconsciously if you felt the need to come back here and declare "victory" for yourself or whatever this is.

NP042
NP042

@collioure @ahandoutWe had a conversation.

Really?  Cause you ignored everything I said that was a direct counter to your claims.


The liberal bigots got a good whippin'. 

You keep using that word; I do not think you know what it means.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@paulejb

So is your argument that we should stop telling Syria we're coming because we are or we should stop telling Syria we're coming because we aren't?  With all this confusion even in your own bullcakes, it's a wonder why we'd ever be worried about Syria knowing that the US is coming?

ahandout
ahandout

@forgottenlord @ahandout  Then why did you say that? Are you arguing against what you just said?  How TF am I supposed to figure out what you mean when you say something, then say you didn't say it and then change the subject?

Can you find your @ss with either hand?

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@ahandout

Yes, just because you can see the missiles coming at you means you will easily be able to destroy every single one of them coming out of the sky.  That's why the US never bothered to sink billions of dollars in missile defense programs.  Right?

ahandout
ahandout

@forgottenlord@ahandout"Not to mention....Syria's got radar.  You honestly think they won't know the attack is coming?"

Like you said, a totally ineffective strategy.



forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@ahandout

"So, you admit that this will be totally ineffective and is just for show?  The Obama dog and pony show lobs a few missiles."

No, you retard.  I am 100% mocking Paulie's stupidity on logistical realities and at no point did I discuss the degree of effectiveness that any such attack.

ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious @ahandout @forgottenlord @Sue_N You don't agree that Hillary's idea was pure genius?  You are the one whining about it.  I say since we have this whole new relationship with Russia we should just ask them "pretty please." 

I never said we should go into Syria.  If we had supported the uprising in Iran, perhaps things would be different.  Or, if we had taken action against their nuclear program.  While Obama dithers the world marches "forward."


MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout @MrObvious @forgottenlord @Sue_N 

I love you chickenhawks. Nothing ever works, no solutions, just whining and blaming. And it's always to late to do this and that and the endless whining continue.

I tell you, god created 2 people, doers and whiners. 

ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious @ahandout @forgottenlord @Sue_N  No, it's too late for any action on our part.  How about we tell the Russians and Iranians to fix it?  We sent them that home made "Reset" button, or was it "reboot" or "overcharge"?

At any rate, since Hillary fixed our relationship with Russia with a simple toy, we should just ask them nicely to fix Syria. 

ahandout
ahandout

@forgottenlord @Sue_N  So, you admit that this will be totally ineffective and is just for show?  The Obama dog and pony show lobs a few missiles.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@Sue_N

Oh please.  Why in the world would you assume that the ships are over there.  They just magically teleport from Annapolis when we want to drop the bombs on Assad

(Ok, fine, that's technically true for B-2 Bombers, but...)

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@ahandout

You're confusing your timeline.  Oil for food was 1995.  Gulf War II was 2003.

ahandout
ahandout

@mantisdragon91 @paulejb No. France and Russia and Kofi Annan, (yes, remember KOFI?), were taking Oil and giving money that instead of going to the people of Iraq, went to  building Saddam's palaces???  NO?  No memories?  Really?  None?

I'll have to remind you.