Is the Humane Society Bad for Puppies? This Man Wants You to Think So

Sneaky tactics in a feud between a Washington lobbyist and a storied animal rights group

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Corrections appended, Aug. 15 and 19

Over 9,500 people enter the DC Metro system via Union Station every weekday before 9:30 am. This month, incoming commuters were met by bright, mounted advertisements featuring perturbed-looking cats and dogs alongside phrases like “She’s pissed”, and “WTF?” Each read, “The Humane Society of the United States only gives 1% of its budget to local pet shelters.” Bearing the name HumaneWatch.org, this catchy campaign was only the latest low blow in a longstanding feud between the Center for Consumer Freedom and the Humane Society of the United States.

HumaneWatch.org is not an animal advocacy site. It is funded by the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF), a nonprofit organization directed by Richard Berman, a notorious Washington public relations executive and former lobbyist. Founded with money from cigarette manufacturer Philip Morris in 1996, the CCF was originally created to promote smoker’s rights in the restaurant and hospitality industries. It has since expanded its causes to include the advancement of meat consumption, countering scientific evidence on the dangers of mercury and high fructose corn syrup, and a number of other unpopular crusades.

Richard Berman’s preferred method of campaigning is the creation of themed nonprofits and websites for each cause. Unionfacts.com attacks labor groups and encourages workers not to unionize; petakillsanimals.com attacks the animal rights group for euthanizing pets in its shelters; and thenewprohibition.com targets organizations like the American Medical Association and Mothers Against Drunk Driving for supporting a lower threshold for the legal blood alcohol concentration while driving.

The CCF’s campaign against the Humane Society began in early 2010 when HumaneWatch.org sponsored an ad in the New York Times claiming, “The dog-watchers need a watchdog.” In the following months, the group took out ad space in USA TodayVariety and The Wall Street Journal. “Sixty percent of the public believes that most of HSUS’s money is going to local shelters,” CCF Director Richard Berman told TIME. “My goal is to see to it that people who want to support pet shelter organizations give their money locally, and if they want to support the agenda of the Humane Society of the United States that they be fully apprised to the fact that that agenda is not about the local shelters.”

Eventually, however, the Humane Society started fighting back. In May 2010 the group sent an undercover journalist into Berman’s Washington public relations firm. “If charity does indeed begin at home, in the case of Richard Berman, it starts in a $3 million, 8,800-square-foot mansion he shares with his second wife in McLean, Va.,” reads the resulting report.  The document quotes Naomi Seligman, formerly of the Center for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, calling Berman “scum extraordinaire.” It also includes video clips of him leaving his office in a Bentley.

Just after the report was published, the Humane Society and Mothers Against Drunk Driving filed an unsuccessful complaint with the New York Commission on Public Integrity claiming that the American Beverage Institute—one of Berman’s nonprofits—was actually an unregistered lobbyist group. A few months later, HumaneWatch.org bought an ad in the New York Times saying that Wayne Pacelle, the Humane Society’s CEO, approved of Michael Vick owning a pet dog. In 2011, after Berman started an animal welfare charity called the “Humane Society for Shelter Pets,” Pacelle called him “the king of charity fraud” and a “Beltway con artist” in a blog post.

Berman told TIME that by the end of that year, he was fed up with the Humane Society’s personal attacks. On January 4, 2012, he sent a memorandum to the organization’s board threatening to sue for slander. “While the prospect of pursuing legal action against HSUS for Mr. Pacelle’s indefensible activities is something I wish to avoid, I reserve my right to pursue legal action should Mr. Pacelle continue to harass, defame, and libel me personally and my organization,” he wrote.

The Humane Society responded by filing an IRS complaint against the CCF in 2012, which still has not resulted in any action against Berman or his company. The complaint alleged that Berman used nonprofit laws to further the interests of his corporate clients. It also included evidence suggesting that most of the money in his charities went directly to his for-profit PR firm (hence, the $3 million house in McLean.)

Alan Heymann, the Humane Society’s Vice President of Communications, says that they believe the meat industry, which opposes the Humane Society’s vegetarian agenda and campaign against farm animal cruelty, is a primary supporter of the Center for Consumer Freedom. “It’s an organization that’s funded by those who benefit financially from keeping things the way they are for animals in the United States,” he told TIME. Berman says only a small portion of the CCF’s funding comes from agriculture companies. “Many of the companies and individuals who support the [CCF] financially have indicated that they want anonymity as contributors. They are reasonably apprehensive about privacy and safety in light of the violence and other forms of aggression some activists have adopted as a ‘game plan’ to impose their views, so we respect their wishes,” reads the CCF website. Contributors’ names are absent from the group’s 990 forms, which Berman has claimed protects them from opponents “with a violent side.”

Though his nonprofits’ financial statements may not be transparent, Berman’s affiliations are clear. He told TIME that a small amount of the funds he put into the film “Your Mommy Kills Animals”—which originally intended to discredit PETA—came from Hormel Foods. In 2012, Bloomberg News reported that Smithfield Foods Inc., a pork processor, hired him when they needed to stop a union uprising at a plant. Berman says he regularly consults with companies on labor issues because of his labor law background. Wendy’s International has admitted to supporting Berman at one point but does not reveal a current relationship. Nation’s Restaurant News called him “an industry Doberman” in 2007, and he writes a monthly column for them on policy issues of interest to restaurateurs.

“The HSUS agenda is designed to raise the cost of producing animal protein and to more or less encourage people to eat vegetables as opposed to eating ham or eggs or steak,” Berman told TIME. His website reads, “The Center for Consumer Freedom is working hard to protect your right to have the truth about the activists who threaten your favorite foods…We cannot guarantee that we will put these lunatics out of business, but outrage is a powerful thing. As more Americans learn the truth, the PETAs and Greenpeaces of the world might find it harder to make ends meet.”

It is a battle for the ages. “What in my mind you have here is the classic tale of a Washington industry lobbyist versus a large and influential advocacy organization,” said the Humane Society’s Heymann.

But the battle is hard to follow from a metro train car. As one of Humane Watch’s Union Station ads says, “Read the Fine Print.” In basic terms, the feud between the Center for Consumer Freedom and the Humane Society of the United States is no different from any other slash and burn fight between two political rivals. Except in this case, both sides get to use images of cute puppies wearing glasses.

A previous version of this article incorrectly stated that HumaneWatch.org paid for the Union Station advertisements. In fact, the CCF paid for them. It also misstated that the CCF’s causes  included the advancement of trans fat use. The CCF’s trans fat project, which ended several years ago, criticized some tactics used to discourage trans fats; it did not promote their use. The article erroneously stated that the CCF represented the indoor tanning industry; it did not. The article also incorrectly suggested that the CCF paid for the websites unionfacts.com and thenewprohibition.com; those websites were created, respectively, by the Center for Union Facts and the American Beverage Institute, two different organizations directed by Berman, who was originally misidentified as a lobbyist. He has not been a registered lobbyist since 2005. The article also incorrectly described CREW as the Center for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington; it is Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. TIME regrets the errors.

 

155 comments
SarahTwining
SarahTwining

Caroline Kelley, you are a talented journalist and sound like an animal lover.  I would advise you to read up on how the Humane Society of the United States really operates.  You can be an HSUS critic without having any relation with Rick Berman's groups.  In fact, countless animal advocates and former HSUS members have become HSUS biggest and most informed critics.  Suggested Reading:  "Misguided Aims, Dubious Claims" by Jake Geis, Douglas Anthony Cooper's Huffington Post articles on HSUS (Michael Vick Adopted A What? Will HSUS Make A Killing Off Hurricane Sandy?, etc.) Terrmerman's (Direct Mail Economics of the Humane Movement, Free Speech or Subsidized Speech, and HSUS's Jumbo Problem" and more) the Yes Biscuit blog (HSUS tags), "Betrayal and Deceit at the HSUS" by Nathan Winograd,  the Humane Farming Association take on HSUS's "Rotten Egg Bill," pet columnist Steve Dale's articles on HSUS, "  and whatever else comes up while learning the truth about this Charity Watch D rated organization.

HSUS is great at pitching stories to the media.  Don't buy what they are selling.

JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

Apparently, Rick Berman tried to silence Time by threatening a lawsuit, as he has done to shelters, rescues, bloggers, and activists who have exposed his lies in the past.  Really?  The ads were paid for by Center for Consumer Freedom, and not HumaneWatch?  They are the *same entity*, as listed on CCF's Form 990 tax returns.

Berman can nitpick all he wants by pretending that his phony nonprofits are not the same organization, but every one of his scams are run by Berman and Company, every one of them has the same address and staff, and every one is directed by Richard Berman.  

And every one of them funnels "nonprofit" donations into Berman's pockets.

http://stophumanewatch.org/blog/web-of-lies/

You're not fooling anyone, Berman.  And you're not silencing the truth.

DCatch
DCatch

I have worked with Wayne Pacelle and Rick Berman. I may the the only person who knows them both as a coworker. This is a fair article and reflects well on Time. The author does not take a position and journalists usually should not do so. Facts are reported but readers may have lost a tolerance for them. Keep your mind open. Recognize that a person spending his r salary on personal items like a house and a car has nothing to do with anything. Why does Wayne keep taking the argument to personal attacks? Because he can't win the argument on facts.


Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/08/12/is-the-humane-society-bad-for-puppies-this-man-wants-you-to-think-so/#ixzz2bx0eFQWT

KayLorraine-Lauro
KayLorraine-Lauro

This author is a fool.....jmho, of course.  But surely knows nothing of those who oppose hsus, nor much of anything about hsus.  They do keep their shills busy posting trash on articles like this.  hsus has no qualms about  getting down and dirty in their forever quest for funds.

bestuvall
bestuvall

HSUS lives to prosecute.. helping people in trouble is not their modus operandi. They could not rasie much money by saying "we helped a man with his animals today"  but when they say  "we seized 40 animals and charged to owner with abuse"  the bucks roll in. When you see tatted up tough guys with hats on backwards  and HSUS symbols.. you think look at those nice boys helping animals. Bet they don't dreive bemnleys.

\Who cares how big Ricks house is.. or what kind of car he drives.. Does Pacelle fly coach stuffed into the back of the plane with the rest of the "animals lovers" . Personally I would not care if he had a private jet if only he would tell the truth.. which he does on occasion .. things like this:

“I don’t have a hands-on fondness for animals. I did not grow up bonded to any particular nonhuman animal. I like them and I pet them and I’m kind to them, but there’s no special bond between me and other animals…” – CEO Wayne Pacelle

This from a man who wants you to buy his book Called The Bond.. yea right.. I did see a copy at the dollar store but thought it was too expensive

bestuvall
bestuvall

Sue says we should "oppose Big Ag"  really?/ then how do you suppose we will eat.. a chicken in every pot.. backyard birds on rooftops in NYC.. how about a nice Bessie in your suburbia backyard.. Bessie too big how about nice nanny goat?   Big Ag is what makes this country strong why we have time to sit behind computers instead of hoeing our own fields and milking our own cows.. why food is safe to eat.. why botulism is a thing of the past..

it is very "in" to complain about "big Ag" when you are a white , wealthy person in your snug little home ( or big home) I wold challenge a Sue or anyone like her to travel and see how people scrounge for food when they have no source of "big ag" how they spend most of their working day finding enough to eat..

I thanks a farmer/rancher every time I put food in my mouth.. you should too

bestuvall
bestuvall

The HSUS IS bad for puppies and for people as well.. they support Mike Vick .. a convicted dog torturer and killer. They oppose no kill and continue to send animals to places where they will be killed after they rush in and "rescue" them ( see the Alabama 44) and more. They raised millions on Katrina and spent little of it.. same with Sandy  They are the focus of a RICO suit

You may not like Rick Berman personally ( and wow the jealously about his home and auto are really telling..)but non one can dispute the truth about the HSUS. God forbid he should expose PETA an organization that kills over 95% of the animals it "takes in" every year ( an by the way author.. they run NO shelters) and they deserve every attack they get as long as the "pink juice" is the only vet care any animal\ receives in the killing fields of their headquarters 

The HSUS does not push being a vegetarian"  they are a vegan cult that never uses any animal product in any recipes or products that they push.. no eggs, dairy or even ice cream.. their goal is the abolition of animal agriculture as stated by their employee John Goodwin and most others who work there.. all top level HSUS employees are vegans..

Thank goodness for Rick.. he tells it like it is  .. and by the way  there is no proof that your body knows the difference between corn syrup and sugar.. and that is a fact

SueCarter
SueCarter

HSUS does not pretend to be your local animal shelter.  Thank God they are there to oppose Big Ag, legally, in Courts of Law.  They fight those like Sue Wallis, Rep. Wyoming, who are pushing to open Horse Slaughter plants across the US;  to kill American Wild Horses to be meat for Foreign diners.   They fight the Cavalry Group in Wildwood, Missouri who  think it is a personal, Constitutional Right to abuse animals.  Cavalry represents Puppy Mill Owners.  In TN, HSUS has fought against the practice of "soring" horses to produce an exaggerated gait. This is a process where they burn the horses legs with chemicals and deform their hooves. Some are left unable to even walk.  They are fighting to allow chickens to be afforded space to actually spread their wings and turn around in cages; while Rep. Steve King of Iowa fights for the rights of Egg Growers, to keep them caged so tightly, they can not even fluff their wings.   This is a big part of what HSUS does.  No wonder Berman's own son has dis-owned him.

AmandaKatz
AmandaKatz

Hmmm, here we have a Winobot spouting the lies of a smear campaign funded by factory farmers, puppy millers and circus freaks.  Looks to me like you are all in bed together.

JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

"You can be an HSUS critic without having any relation with Rick Berman's groups."

Apparently, you can't.  Everything you've spouted comes directly from Berman's lips.

Ms. Kelley is perfectly capable of doing her own objective research, and knows a smear campaign when she sees it.  She certainly doesn't need tips from propagandists with an anti-animal agenda.

AmandaKatz
AmandaKatz

@JohnDopplerSchiffWhat a surprise.  This is the same Rick Berman who wrote threatening legal letters to half a dozen shelter directors when they published blogs that called him out for what he is -- a front group kingpin paid by the factory farming, puppy mill and circus industries to wage a smear campaign.  I wouldn't expect him to stop with Time Magazine either.  He's tried his best to silence these folks too - http://bermanexposed.org/

AmandaKatz
AmandaKatz

Yeah, let's listed to two supposed scientists who can't do the most basic of google research for themselves to choose to repeat misinformation from a smear campaign paid for by factory farmers, puppy millers and circus freaks.  Makes me think maybe animal Mengeles are paying Berman too.

AmandaKatz
AmandaKatz

@DCatch"Recognize that a person spending his r salary on personal items like a house and a car has nothing to do with anything."  Um, it does when the same person is accusing Wayne of making too much money is also raking in millions to his own personal bank accounts through a series of charity fraud scams.  Charity Navigator has gone so far as to put a donor advisory out on several of Berman's non-profits, something they hardly ever do.  Why?  Because Berman uses them to funnel cash from anonymous sources into smear campaigns run by his for-profit PR firm.  It stinks, and it should be illegal, and you should be ashamed and discredited for having anything to do with it.



jenron
jenron

@DCatch It's Johnny the Shill, I see, to Whiny Waynie's rescue, as always.  The TRUTH that Wayne is afraid of is that enough people will see through his charade and discover that A) their money is NOT going to animals in need, and B) that his agenda includes the elimination of ALL human/animal contact, including pets.

AlexDAnimal
AlexDAnimal

@DCatch  - "Why does Wayne keep taking the argument to personal attacks? Because he can't win the argument on facts."

You're joking, right? Because when it comes to making dirty personal attacks on individuals, Berman is the acknowledged MASTER of that black art. 

Berman has run personal attacks against Pacelle for years. He has something to say about everything from the (speculated) cost of Pacelle's haircuts, to calling Pacelle a hypocrite for wearing a plaid shirt and jeans, to making false claims about Pacelle's friends.

It's time Berman got a taste of his own medicine. 



JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

@DCatch You're probably correct: You are one of the few people unethical or deluded enough to work with Richard Berman and still pretend to be involved in animal welfare.  

I suspect that you are Didi Culp, the disgruntled ex-employee of HSUS who heads Berman's fradulent "shelter" group, Humane Society for Shelter Pets.  HSSP is another of Berman's front groups designed to attack the HSUS under false pretenses.  Last year, it paid Berman $750,000.00 last year, and paid shelters ZERO dollars.

So you are not exactly speaking from the moral high ground in this argument.

It is not Wayne Pacelle making personal attacks in this debate.  Wayne Pacelle exposed the truth in response to Berman's lies.  It is Richard Berman's front groups that made the claim that HSUS is funding terrorism -- a blatant lie they were forced to retract to avoid yet another libel/defamation suit.

Berman pretends that his campaigns are based on facts, but they are not.  They are based on distortions and misrepresentations -- and the occasional outright lie, as above -- which he presents as facts.  

In his own words: "Our offensive strategy is to shoot the messenger.  We've got to attack their credibility as spokespersons."  

And: "We need to hit on fear and anger. Because fear and anger stays with people longer."

Berman even lies to his own supporters.  In 2009, right on the heels of Center for Consumer Freedom's claim that they spend 90% of their funds on HumaneWatch's agenda, CCF redirected a staggering 86% of its "donations" to Berman's union-busting campaign. I doubt that HumaneWatch supporters know that their donations were used to strip workers of benefits and to undermine the minimum wage.

This is not a man who deals in facts.  This is a man who mangles the truth to support his agenda, and that agenda is to defend unsafe, unhealthy, and inhumane corporate practices that harm people and animals.  

And to get wealthy off deceiving the public, of course: over $35,000,000.00 in "nonprofit donations" from front groups like HSSP have been funneled into Beman's corporate and personal bank accounts.

It's an astounding scam, and the man behind it is the most loathsome, amoral individual I have ever encountered.  And if you or Mr. Berman are pained by the "personal" nature of these "attacks," perhaps he shouldn't have chosen to travel the low road, and you should not have tied yourself to a corporate con artist.

AlexDAnimal
AlexDAnimal

@bestuvall - If you want to find a lying hypocrite, you can find a stellar example at Berman & Co. And, really -  a quote pulled from over 20 years ago, and deliberately quoted out-of-context. That's the best you can do? 

What's that stench <sniff, sniff>?

The stink from the groundwater-polluting waste lagoons of Berman's Big Ag backers - and the smell of desperation. 

AlexDAnimal
AlexDAnimal

@bestuvall - Actually, you should thank the Federal Government, Farm Bill subsidies, the USDA, and low-paid immigrant workers every time you put food in your mouth.

And let's not forget the truck drivers who get the food to your supermarkets. Or the workers at the store. Both of which one of Berman's front groups lobbies against paying decent wages to.

Big Ag is corporations. And corporations don't make this country strong - people do. The same people that Berman's sleazy front groups do their level best to trample in the pursuit of protecting fat-cat corporate profits. 

AlexDAnimal
AlexDAnimal

@bestuvall - and now you're just babbling. "Vegan cult"? (Run for your lives!! The vegans are coming!! They're armed with carrot sticks! Run... RUN!!). 

Get a grip. Rick Berman is no friend to animals, hard-working Americans, babies, pregnant women, or anyone with a moral compass.

dmwarner
dmwarner

Thanks to HSUS pushing a ban on horse slaughter, the number of sick, neglected horses turn loose on mostly government land went from a few thousand to tens of thousands. In fact, things got so bad that congressional supporters of the ban this time around voted against a ban, which is why legislation reauthorizing the prohibition failed in 2012. As for laying hens, actually HSUS wants them to be cage free, a "housing" system that will increase the number of sick and dead birds, increase salmonella contamination of eggs and raise farmers' cost of production and consumers' price for eggs. Of course, that's the goal of HSUS, an organization that is attacking family farmers through misinformation and outright lies. It certainly is doing very little to save dogs and cats with the millions it raises from an ill-informed, or duped, public - less than 1% of its money goes to animal shelters. Bierman - like him or not - is simply pointing out what a dishonest factory fundraiser HSUS really is.

JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

Berman sent threats to Washington Animal Rescue League, Ecorazzi, Ohmidog,com, Humane Society of Berks County, Richmond SPCA, and others in an attempt to censor the fact that he was behind a phony "shelter" group called "Humane Society for Shelter Pets".

Berman and his lawyers were unsuccessful in silencing the truth.  The following year, HSSP's Form 990 tax returns showed Berman's address on them, and the appalling fact that HSSP had paid more than $750,000.00 to Berman and his web of front groups, but $0.00 to shelters.

And he has the audacity to whine that he's being "harassed"?!  Poor baby.

SarahTwining
SarahTwining

@JohnDopplerSchiff 

HSUS hired former Animal Liberation Front lunatic and high-school dropout J.P. Goodwin 15 years ago, despite his long arrest record and conviction for economic sabotage of fur retailers and fur farms.  Goodwin signed the fraudulent Faye/Fay fundraising letter in 2009, inspiring the article "Betrayal and Deceit at the Humane Society of the United States" by Nathan Winograd, one of their countless critics in the animal welfare field.  Google "John Goodwin Wilkes County massacre" for more info about this extremist.  Matt Prescott, another top HSUS activist, created the "Holocaust on Your Plate" campaign and traveling road show while at PETA.  He has a right to view meat eaters as morally equivalent to Nazis, but lying to the Holocaust Museum in order to obtain images of starving and dead Holocaust victims (juxtaposed to images of farm animals) is unforgivable.  He has never apologized for the pain he caused survivors and the justifiable anger and sense of betrayal expressed by the Holocaust Museum.

HSUS not only recruits from PETA, HSUS recruits the most radical activists from that group. 

SarahTwining
SarahTwining

@AmandaKatz @DCatch 

According to US News and World Report, Wayne's mentor, ex-HSUS CEO Paul Irwin, owned 5 mansions, a fleet of luxury cars and had to return over $1 million he stole from the Humane Society of Canada.  He and his cronies were investigated for money laundering in Hong Kong and the Netherlands.  HSUS's fundraising companies were involved in kickback schemes - and still are.  And the Board of Directors is still controlled by Irwin's puppets.  

Irwin's criminal associations and HSUS scandals were exposed by the NY Times in 2008, a few years after he retired from HSUS with a $1 million golden parachute.  He was then fired from his newest job running the American Bible Society.  HSUS has tried to pretend Irwin has nothing to do with the organization today, but  a month after the Times story was published, I read that Irwin was organizing an Animals and Religion church outreach program gathering support for HSUS's California's Prop 2.  Rick Berman is a pauper compared to this despicable criminal who ran the finances at HSUS for 28 years and recruited Pacelle based on his reputation as a publicity hog, credit stealer, and general liar.

HSUS pressured Charity Navigator to issue a Donor Advisory for CCF.  The Direct Marketing Association is on the record pressuring and threatening Charity Navigator to abandon it's plans to scrutinize charity abuses of the joint cost accounting loophole.  HSUS pressured and threatened Charity Navigator to do the same.  CN resisted for 5 months before caving to both HSUS and DMA.

 

JohnDopelerShit
JohnDopelerShit

@AmandaKatz @DCatch Who are you, Amanda Katz, to say what Rick Berman does is illegal!  Oh, and Wayne Pacelle sends him minions out threatening peoples lives and falsly accusing people of crimes that do not exist! Please, get your head out of the sand!  

AmandaKatz
AmandaKatz

@jenron @DCatch The elimination of all human/animal contact??  Hahahaha!  I guess that's why the HSUS funds the Shelter Pet Project, to encourage adoption of pets from shelters, the Pets for Life project, to help low income people get veterinary care for their pets, the Animal Sheltering conference, magazine and website, to help shelter professionals do their jobs better.  And I guess that's why they hired a pig farmer to be their director of outreach and have agriculture councils made up of farmers all over the states.  If they are trying to end all human/animal contact, they have a funny way of going about it.

JohnDopelerShit
JohnDopelerShit

@AlexDAnimal @DCatch And Pacelle, Shapiro and Prescott are sweet and innocent?  Right!  Those Three Musketeers have mastered the are of personal attacks and frivolous lawsuits. They even pay people to lie for them. 

SarahTwining
SarahTwining

@AlexDAnimal @bestuvall 

Rick Berman is no friend to animals, but Wayne Pacelle is a great friend of disgraced for-profit trade school kingpin Arthur E. Benjamin, who destroyed the lives of thousands of disadvantaged humans by promising them a better life through education.  For the whole sordid, sleazy, disgusting story, which took three years to investigate and exposed before the school, ATI Enterprises, was shut down, google "Byron Harris ATI Enterprises."  Pacelle knew about the investigation from the beginning, and accepted big money from this miscreant.  After enough cash infusions, Pacelle actually appointed Benjamin to the HSUS National Council!  Benjamin is just one of a long line of criminals associated with HSUS.  

I wouldn't be in the same room as Arthur E. Benjamin, and I doubt Rick Berman would either.  It is HSUS that has no moral compass.  

KayLorraine-Lauro
KayLorraine-Lauro

@dmwarner If thy want to use their donations for all these things, they shouldn't be using puppies and kittens in their "pity-puppy" ads on TV.  That is very misleading to the vast majority of people who still believe the "Humane Society" helps these animals.  They don't.

Last week I bought eggs at the store for $.69 a dozen.  Our local farmer's market had free range eggs for $3.00 a dozen.  That pretty much puts eggs out of the range of what most people can afford.  Our children need protein and at an affordable price.  They cannot develop on cardboard!

wetnose4paws
wetnose4paws

@dmwarnerBattery hens suffer from feather-loss, blisters, tumors, foot and leg deformities, and a whole other host of diseases unique to cage confinement. They are prevented the basic natural instincts of perching, scratching, roosting, dust-bathing, and nesting.  They become stressed which causes them to become aggressive and attack other hens.  The average life expectancy decreases from an average of 15 years to 18 months. Cage free isn't an ideal solution, but at least hens are able to exercise natural instincts, stress and cage unique diseases are reduced.
And, please, no one with half a brain would fall for your disingenuous argument that HSUS or even the average animal advocate is targeting the family farmer.

JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

@dmwarner Impressive -- you're wrong on every single count.  

Horse abandonment is not due to the elimination of slaughter, and there are just as many horses being shipped across the border as there were slaughtered in the US.  

Group housing does not increase the number of sick and dead animas, it improves their health and allows them to express natural instincts -- not to mention move their limbs.

HEY!  Is this the infamous Dave Warner, paid mouthpiece for the National Pork Producers Council, whose shameful comment about "who asked the sow if she wanted to turn around" provoked national outrage and embarrassment?

If that's you... how do you still have a job?

JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

Ah, yes, it's truly bizarre that people interested in animal welfare might have worked for two different animal welfare organizations, isn't it?  Because people in the a particular field never take another job in the same field.

Truly mindblowing!

As for the rest of your cut and paste propaganda, it's the usual innuendo and misrepresentations straight out of Richard Berman's smear campaign -- regurgitated by your messiah Nathan, this time, and eagerly lapped up by puppy mill apologists.

Spare us your noise, Sarah, we've heard it before.

AmandaKatz
AmandaKatz

@SarahTwining @AmandaKatz @DCatch Once again Sarah, let's see some evidence to back up your outlandish claims.  HSUS pressured Charity Navigator to issue a donor advisory on CCF??  Prove it.  Given your track record, I seriously doubt anything you say about Irwin, but even if it is true, so what?? It was decades ago.  Pacelle lives in a 2-bedroom apartment and drives a Prius.  And the HSUS spends 77% of donations on programs to help animals.  That's what really galls you -- you just don't like the programs. 

JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

Sarah, you are so full of crap I'm sure your eyes are brown.  Please show me your evidence that HSUS pressured Charity Navigator in ANY way to issue the donor advisory against Berman's scams. 

And show me your evidence that a past scandal -- such as it is -- in any way reflects on the current management of the HSUS.  Irwin has been gone for years, and that has zero bearing on the smear campaign that's being waged by a corporate shill against the nation's most effective animal welfare group.

Berman is a pauper?  Pacelle lives in an 800 sq ft apartment and drives a Prius.  Berman drives Bentleys and lives in a multi-million dollar mansion.  Get real.

AlexDAnimal
AlexDAnimal

She didn't say it WAS illegal; she said it SHOULD BE illegal.

And it should.

JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

Amanda's head is not in the sand.  It may appear that way to you, however, considering where your head is lodged.

AmandaKatz
AmandaKatz

@SarahTwining @jenron @DCatch Sarah, perhaps you'd like to provide a little bit of evidence to back up your ridiculous claims.  Joe Maxwell has a history of animal welfare violations and a shady background??  Let's see them.  The HSUS most certainly did put money for the Shelter Pet Project.  And both the HSUS and ASPCA provide plenty of scholarships to attend the Animal Sheltering conference.  Magazines cost money to print and mail, and there's no reason the Animal Sheltering magazine should be free.  $25 a year is very small compared to subscription costs for most professional publications.


Just because you would prefer the facts be a certain way doesn't mean that they are or ever will be except in a deluded mind.

SarahTwining
SarahTwining

@AmandaKatz @jenron @DCatch 

HSUS doesn't "fund" the Shelter Pet Project.  Maddie's Fund, the Ad Council, and pro-bono companies do.  HSUS is a part of the Project, but was actually paid by Maddies to join, part of a behavioral rehabilitation effort to halt the damage HSUS was doing to No Kill.

The Animal Sheltering conference costs plenty of money to attend, and in many cases, the money comes from local government (animal control) revenues. The magazine should be free, but isn't.  You forgot to mention Humane Society University, offering incredibly overpriced and worthless degrees.  Not surprised to see the 40% off everything sale.

Joe Maxwell has a history of animal welfare violations, and a shady background in general.  He keeps claiming that HSUS has "11 million MEMBERS."  

AmandaKatz
AmandaKatz

@SarahTwining Once again, let's see some evidence for your ridiculous claims.  The stuff that comes out your butt isn't evidence.

SarahTwining
SarahTwining

@samrenims 

HSUS reached out to Kerasote and asked him to write a blurb for Wayne's book, citing how the evil meat-makers have damaged billions of animals everywhere by using it to discredit Pacelle.  Wayne didn't mean it, blah, blah...

JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

@samrenims Kerasote was who bestuvall/Dykema was quoting, genius.  All I did was provide the full context that she omitted.

samrenims
samrenims

You are using Ted Kerasote as a reliable source, Johnny! My side is hurting from laughing so much. I have read your posts. You are not looking good.

AmandaKatz
AmandaKatz

@JohnDopelerSh**-- And who are you, hiding behind an obviously fake name?  Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, you know.

JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

I wouldn't mind being alone in a room with Berman... Just five minutes.

AlexDAnimal
AlexDAnimal

@SarahTwining - Although I don't know any of them personally, I'm pretty sure I'd rather be in a room with Pacelle and Benjamin, than with Berman.

Thanks for the Google suggestion. It seems the ATI investigation is ongoing, although you've apparently already appointed yourself judge and jury and concluded the proceedings before they started.

(BTW: Berman would probably not object to being in a room with the Devil himself, as long as the price was right. He's always been a "pay-to-play" guy.)


JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

Seriously?   That's the best you can do?  Guilt by (very tenuous) association?

AmandaKatz
AmandaKatz

@SarahTwining @AlexDAnimal @bestuvall  WOW Sarah -- this has to be the best one yet.  A total original.  I haven't come across this particular conspiracy theory before.  Where'd you get this one -- from Tin Foil Hats Anonymous??  Seriously, seek help.  You need it.

AmandaKatz
AmandaKatz

@JohnDopelerSh** --  As for the cost of eggs -- how about we try labeling the egg cartons as to the production system the eggs come from and see how sales go.  No?  The pork industry is against it?   Hmm, why would the pork industry give a whit about what the egg industry wants??  Who's telling who how to farm now??

AmandaKatz
AmandaKatz

@JohnDopelerSh**  So who are you really??  My guess is Dave Warner or his wife.  My money is on the wife.

JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

Wrong, wrong ,and wrong!  How the hell can you call the HSUS role in the Florida hoarding case minor?  You have NO idea what you're talking about.

And every animal shown in the HSUS ads was rescued by the HSUS.  They may have been rehomed through placement partners -- which are 100% voluntary -- but HSUS does the heavy lifting in disaster relief and large scale rescues.

But all this is a sideshow.  The real reason you're here, and defending a scumbag like Berman, is because you resent the work the HSUS does to protect animals from cruelty.  You want to defend the "right" of inhumane companies to slaughter pets for money.  You want to defend the "right" of irresponsible puppy millers to abuse their "inventory" without regulation.  And you want factory farmers to be able to torture and abuse animals in the name of profits.

Get off it, Sarah.  You don't hate the HSUS, you hate animal welfare.

You have NO room to talk about conscience.

SarahTwining
SarahTwining

Rescued in HSUS operations?  Hardly.

Generally, these animals were rescued by other animal organizations.  HSUS shows up, films their work (Muttshack after Hurricane Gustav) and e-mails it to raise money.  Some are from Katrina, where HSUS botched their work, claimed credit for rescuing 10,000 animals and reuniting 2,500 with their owners.  HSUS was there for 5 weeks and rescued 2,000 animals, reunited less than 500 on their own.  I've seen animals like Fay (HSUS called her Faye in their fundraising pitch) from the 500 animal dogfighting bust that HSUS had very little to do with.  The Humane Society of Missouri and law enforcement played the biggest role, and HSUS was semi-shunned, since they had just been nailed for the Vick dog scam and Wilkes County Massacre.  HSUS played a minor role in saving 700 cats from a hoarder, and hoodwinked the local authorities in Florida to reimburse them nearly $700,000 in expenses.  Most of that money was spent on themselves. There are many other examples, and they are a big part of the reason the entire Emergency Response Team quit a few years ago.  

It's hard to work for HSUS when you have a moral conscience.





SarahTwining
SarahTwining

@AlexDAnimal @KayLorraine-Lauro 

"HSUS Operations?"  Hardly.  That's the line HSUS gets it's posters to type.

Many of the animals featured in the deceptive ads were rescued by other animal groups, with HSUS showing up to pose for the cameras and in some cases, have volunteers assist with temporary care.  In most cases, between 6 and a dozen other groups are more involved in the real rescue, sheltering, and follow-up.  

Some are Katrina animals, mostly rescued by others.  HSUS is on record claiming to have rescued 10,000 animals and reunited 2,500 with their owners.  Divide each number by 5 and the truth will emerge.  HSUS was only on scene for 5 weeks, and dozens of their own volunteers complained to the Louisiana Attorney General about their incompetence and greed.  Some TV ad animal props are from the 500 animal Missouri dogfighting raid, the one that HSUS stole credit for and used as a cash cow (Fay/Faye scandal). They were outed by KC Dog Blog, Pet Connection, and other animal advocates, not big ag.  Some TV pets are from the Dan Christensen case, an illegal raid that is the subject of a huge lawsuit.  And some are from the 700 cat hoarding case, the one HSUS somehow got the local authorities to reimburse them to the tune of nearly $700,000 for their expenses.  The many other animal organizations that did the bulk of the work, including volunteer vets from the local University, actually use donations from animal lovers to carry out their charitable missions.  Of course, those groups and individuals have a moral conscience.

There's a reason why the entire Emergency Response Team resigned a few years ago.  They also have moral consciences.

AlexDAnimal
AlexDAnimal

You're an angry little troll, aren't you? 

Slow down - all of your "FACT"s are refuting something I didn't allege.  You should eat more veggies. I hear they're good for your brain.

JohnDopelerShit
JohnDopelerShit

@AlexDAnimal

Additionally, ounce for ounce, if you're looking for cheap protein, you can't beat beans. A half-cup of most types of beans contain more protein than one large egg.

FACT…NOT everyone wants to eat beans for protein.  People have choices. Meat, eggs and cheese is an option for everyone. You, apparently, want to deny people choices.

JohnDopelerShit
JohnDopelerShit

@AlexDAnimal

And here's another fact that will no doubt) pain you: The number of free-range eggs being sold in my local store has *doubled* in the last 12 months. People want healthy, cruelty-free options for choosing what they put on their children's plates, and they *are* willing to pay a little more for those options.

FACT…Your store but NOT all stores – they have not *doubled* nationwide.

JohnDopelerShit
JohnDopelerShit

@AlexDAnimal

- The cost of eggs varies from market to market. In my local store, factory-produced eggs retail for $1.89/dz, and free-range eggs for $2.95/dz. (In case you struggle with math as much as you do with facts, that is less than a dollar more). That cost is pretty much the same in my entire state (NOT NY or CA) –

FACT…Here, “organic cage free” eggs $3.99 doz. Grade A large eggs $1.99 doz. DO THE MATH. And by the way, dumb ass, the difference between $1.89 and $2.95 is $1.06 – that would be MORE than a dollar. So who struggles with facts?

JohnDopelerShit
JohnDopelerShit

@AlexDAnimal

- All the animals used in HSUS ads are animals which were rescued in HSUS operations.

AND YOU KNOW THIS AS FACT, HOW????

AlexDAnimal
AlexDAnimal

Your response, while containing impressive leaps over logic, has no relevance to anything I said in my comment. 

I encourage you to read the comment again and, this time, without imposing your editorial assumptions on it. It is painfully obvious that you have neither the skill, nor the talent, for the job.

JohnDopelerShit
JohnDopelerShit

@JohnDopplerSchiff I am actually trying to educate you so you would be wise to listen since I actually know more about farming than you do.

I must admit that reading some of your posts are rather entertaining and sad because so many people like you are ignorant to the facts.

JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

You're welcome to eat whatever you want.  

But you're not welcome to torture animals to procure it.

That's the core of this issue: whether animal cruelty is acceptable in a civilized society.  The majority of Americans agree that no, it is not.  And that's why Big Ag finds itself on the losing end of one ballot issue after another.

JohnDopelerShit
JohnDopelerShit

 @AlexDAnimal People want food that is afforable.  And do not tell people how to eat and what to eat.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with eggs or meat.

You have no right to force your vegan lifestyle on anyone else.

AlexDAnimal
AlexDAnimal

@KayLorraine-Lauro - Please acquaint yourself with some facts before you expose your ignorance so lavishly. 

- All the animals used in HSUS ads are animals which were rescued in HSUS operations. 

- The cost of eggs varies from market to market. In my local store, factory-produced eggs retail for $1.89/dz, and free-range eggs for $2.95/dz. (In case you struggle with math as much as you do with facts, that is less than a dollar more). That cost is pretty much the same in my entire state (NOT NY or CA)

And here's another fact that will no doubt) pain you: The number of free-range eggs being sold in my local store has *doubled* in the last 12 months. People want healthy, cruelty-free options for choosing what they put on their children's plates, and they *are* willing to pay a little more for those options.

Additionally, ounce for ounce, if you're looking for cheap protein, you can't beat beans. A half-cup of most types of beans contain more protein than one large egg. 





AlexDAnimal
AlexDAnimal

@SarahTwining - Grandin has said that the horse slaughter process is NOT humane for horses. She is not opposed to humane euthanasia, but she is not a supporter of horse slaughter.


JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

Grandin only supports slaughter in the US because horses are being shipped to Mexican hellholes by greedy, opportunistic, inhumane industry scum.

Regardless, that really has no bearing on her stance on gestation crates.

I'm not at all surprised to see that you support horse slaughter, though.  What other animal abuse are you a fan of?

SarahTwining
SarahTwining

@JohnDopplerSchiff @samrenims 

Grandin agrees on the gestation crate issue, but NOT with the horse slaughter ban.  She is on record criticizing HSUS combative, lawsuit-heavy approach, and the GAP program for animal welfare standards.  She's not a big fan, but she is fair and balanced.  Unlike HSUS.

JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

@samrenims From Grandin's statements in several venues (she's said it often and emphatically); from the principal studies by Marchant & Broom and Anil & Deen; from various studies at Cambridge and Purdue; and from peer-reviewed articles in the Journal of Animal Science, Journal of the AVMA, and the findings of the Pew Commission on Industrial Farm Animal Production.

If you'd like the exact citations, I can look those up for you.

samrenims
samrenims

Where are you getting your data JohnDopplerSchiff?

JohnDopplerSchiff
JohnDopplerSchiff

@KayLorraine-Lauro You are correct, shipping horses across the border is cruel.  That's why we need to close the border to horse exports.

There are far too many horse owners willing to subject their animals to the cruelty of transport and slaughter to make a few bucks instead of providing their animals with humane euthanasia.

So much for "stewards of the land." 

And if you've got a problem with group housing, take it up with the AVMA and Temple Grandin.  (I trust her educated opinion a heck of a lot more than yours.)

As for piglets being squashed, you're referring to FARROWING crates, not GESTATION crates.  Gestation crates are an inhumane practice that is opposed by intensive confinement legislation.  Farrowing crates are not. 

I don't know if you're ignorant of that vital difference, or you're deliberately attempting to deceive people by conflating the two, but in either case, it renders your opinion worthless.

KayLorraine-Lauro
KayLorraine-Lauro

@JohnDopplerSchiff @dmwarner  You be the one that is wrong. 

Shipping old and infirm horses across the border for slaughter is not a viable option. 

It is cruelty.

Group housing certainly does produce sick and dead animals.  The only natural instinct it 'improves' is the one to kill and maim each other.  Spoken like a true idiot that has never raised a flock of chickens, or litter of pigs.

Of course the sow wants to turn around.  Did anybody ask the piglets if they want to be squashed by their mama? or have their head bitten off by their mama?

JohnDopelerShit
JohnDopelerShit

JohnDopplerSchiff, you are good at insulting people! How much does HSUS pay you to lie and insult people? I know for a fact you are on the HSUS payroll.

dmwarner
dmwarner

Since you say so, it must be true.

dmwarner
dmwarner

Since you said so, it must be true.