Morning Must Reads: July 25

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

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hktime
hktime

Third line lead not led! Please!

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

"...liberals hate people...I despise the policies of Liberalism"

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"I'm a racist.  I just don't want YOU to call me one."



deconstructiva
deconstructiva

Another Thursday, another collection of pages of trollery from those two. Whoever invented the scroll function, cheers! Someone invented ctrl-alt-delete, so who knows? I hope the scroll inventor gets royalties.

kbanginmotown
kbanginmotown

I'm off the grid for a couple of weeks, folks - hiking in New Mexico where there are No Bars (of either kind).

Maybe Detroit will approve a new bridge to go along with it's stadium because, y'know, we're bankrupt.

And, maybe, the Tigers will still be in first place in the AL central (certainly won't be the Tribe).

Stay Calm and try Not to Talk to Furniture.

roknsteve
roknsteve

Paulie and ahandout point at us and say we suffer from liberalism when all the time they are infected with moronism.  What's moronism?  That's the zombies who post the same thing every day.    

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

What happened to compassionate conservatism?

Ohio Plans Unspeakably Cruel Appeal Of Dying Man’s Last Wish

John Arthur is dying. He is in the terminal stages of Lou Gehrig’s disease and has entered hospice care. Arthur is also gay, and in a 20 year relationship with a man named Jim Obergefell. Because the couple’s home state of Ohio will not allow them to marry, Arthur and Obergefell recently flew to Maryland together and were legally married on the tarmac — just weeks after the Supreme Court’s landmark marriage equality decision in United States v. Windsor. Arthur was unable to rise from his hospice bed.

In his final days, Arthur wants to honor his commitment to his husband. He wants his own death certificate to list Obergefell as his “surviving spouse.” And he wants to die knowing that his partner of 20 years can someday be buried next to him in a family plot bound by a directive that only permits his lawfully wedded spouse to be interred alongside him. And, on Monday, a federal judge ruled that Arthur should indeed have the dignity of dying alongside a man that Ohio will recognize as his husband.

And now, Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine (R) wants to take that dignity away from Mr. Arthur. The day after a judge issued a temporary restraining order requiring Ohio to list Arthur’s husband as his “surviving spouse” on his death certificate, DeWine announced that he would appeal this decision and try to strip a dying man of his final wish.

There are marriage equality cases with sweeping national implications. This is not one of them. The judge’s order is limited exclusively to Arthur and Obergefell. Indeed, as the judge explains, “there is absolutely no evidence that the State of Ohio or its citizens will be harmed by the issuance” of an order requiring Ohio to acknowledge the two men’s marriage. “No one beyond Plaintiffs themselves will be affected by such a limited order at all.”

There are also marriage equality cases where a great deal of money is at stake. But this is not one of those either. In Windsor, plaintiff Edith Windsor sought $363,053 in estate taxes she was forced to pay because the federal government would not acknowledge her marriage to a woman. Arthur, by contrast, hardly has an estate to tax. He and his husband had to raise donations to cover the cost of their flight to Maryland.

Yet, while Ohio has nothing to gain from simply complying with the judges’ order, Arthur and Obergefell have a tremendous amount to lose. Thanks to DeWine’s appeal, Arthur will spend his last days unsure whether he and his husband can someday lie together in his family burial plot. The two men’s final moments will be poisoned by uncertainty over their lawsuit. And Obergefell will likely be forced to spend his first weeks as a widower caught up in discussions with his lawyers about the litigation itself. The couple also could lose their case. Most of the judges on the appeals court that will hear their case are Republicans.

There is a common refrain among marriage equality’s opponents that discrimination is necessary to remove some kind of “threat” equality poses to straight couples’ marriages. This case is a put up or shut up moment for these voices. Who, exactly, will divorce because Ohio will acknowledge one gay couple’s marriage? What strife will result when Obergefell someday is laid to rest next to Arthur? Where is the wife that will leave her husband because Arthur died alongside his? Who does DeWine think he is serving by filing this appeal?

Someday very soon, Obergefell will go home, lie in an empty bed, and confront for the first time the prospect of a life without his husband. In that moment of loss, he believes he will find some comfort if the State of Ohio acknowledges that he feels the same pain that he would have felt if he were married to a woman. That’s what DeWine wants to take away. And it will gain the people of Ohio nothing.

ahandout
ahandout

"I see racism."  

Liberal policies have been a disaster for minorities.  Your actions speak louder than your denials.



Hollywooddeed
Hollywooddeed

@ahandout  

Cons have no room to talk about lowering the bar and moral standard bearers.

deconstructiva
deconstructiva

@kbanginmotown 

I hope you have an awesome trip. Too bad that No Feeding Thursday turned into Trolls Pigging Out At The Trough Thirsday (again). But rest assured, likely everything will stay the same until you come back, have fun.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@kbanginmotown No bars? What the hell kind of vacation is that???

But take care, have fun, and try not to run into any of those cantaloupe-calved drug mules. I hear they're scary. ;)

MrObvious
MrObvious

@roknsteve 

The sad part is that it's a very 'winger type thing. Sure - there are the odd leftist that go troll righwing blogs, but we care as much about them as we do about these trolls.

But the trolls here are interchangeable among the frantic 'wingers on their blog sites. You could not tell them apart.

Trolling or 'wingerism is one and the same, emotional babble all the time. And for it's own sake too. No solutions, just hand wrangling, destructive and incessant whining.  About liberals. I mean they don't even discuss their own platform, it's always the opposition to their fantasy of us.

It's bizarre. 

It doesn't even matter. Sure - the trollbots bleating here sounds vaguely philosophical like 'I whine and biatch here and a librul responds and I exist'. But it's only for the benefit of whatever itch they're trying to scratch. It doesn't matter to anyone else. I mean the only thing that matters to us as far as I know is if it changes or adds to what we believe. But all the trollbots bleating is for his own personal satisfaction.

As far as I can tell from most liberals is that we get satisfaction from shared understanding and what change what we believe. It's not just for our consumption but for others too.

And that's why we disagree when it doesn't agree with what we think or know and we agree when we're proven wrong.

Take troll and company and they sound the same, bleat the same and data runs off them like oil on water. What matters to them is their satisfaction, not whether or not they change anything as long as they get their fix.

That's wingerism 101 - for their own consumption, their own satisfaction no matter what exists around them. it's a egotistic cult of one. Trollbot is here for the emotional response - to him our response justifies all the ugly things he says, but it doesn't matter. And he'll never get that part.

paulejb
paulejb

@roknsteve 

Have you ever read your own posts, Stevie? "Moronism" seems an apt description of them.

BenevolentLawyer
BenevolentLawyer

@mantisdragon91 This is why the Democrats need to campaign and do everything they can to take over congress, and hold on to the Senate. If marriage equality laws were central, and by that I mean, federal, these issues would not arise. On a state by state basis, courts will continue to be run, as they always have been, at least in my opinion, on the personal prejudices of particular judges, and their interpretation of the laws in any manner they deem "proper."

Laws concerning minority issues continue to be dismantled, ravaged and minimized while the press covers it, and no real central legislative action occurs.

It is sad. But, it will not change nationally, unless something is done to change the composition of congress.  

Sue_N
Sue_N

@mantisdragon91 God forbid someone who is "not like me" should have a few moments of happiness. God forbid we should treat people as people, regardless of sexual orientation.

But let's say Ohio wins the appeal (which it well might). Does that mean that, since it no longer has to recognize Maryland's gay marriages, it will also stop recognizing South Carolina's marriages between first cousins? After all, that's prohibited in Ohio, also.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout 

No one think you're racist because you're a 'winger. We think you are because you behave and post like one. It's not anyone here - it's you. No one made you do it - you do it.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@Sue_N@mantisdragon91Its even more heartless than that. The ruling is specifically to this one couple. This is merely for spite and bigotry.

There are marriage equality cases with sweeping national implications. This is not one of them. The judge’s order is limited exclusively to Arthur and Obergefell. Indeed, as the judge explains, “there is absolutely no evidence that the State of Ohio or its citizens will be harmed by the issuance” of an order requiring Ohio to acknowledge the two men’s marriage. “No one beyond Plaintiffs themselves will be affected by such a limited order at all.”



ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious @ahandout  Policies that would actually be effective in getting minorities out of poverty is considered racism to Democrats.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout @MrObvious @mantisdragon91

here's nothing surprising about your lack of understanding.

Surprise me

Sadly, your response was a predictable as always. Trollbot might be 'better' at running in circles trying to be all mystical about what he means. You're simply terrible at it. But I can't understand why you try so hard to emulate him.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout @mantisdragon91

 You've been here everyday using the sins of the past justify the sins of Obama argument.

You've made my point.


O.o

Wow, psycho babble. Quaint. Lemme guess, if I don't understand your babble I have a problem with 'reading comprehension'. Surprise me.

ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious @ahandout @nflfoghorn "I don't have to worry tho since I don't live in NY."

That makes all the rest of your blather mute.  Do you live in Louisiana, (Vitter) or N. Carolina (Sanford)?  No?  You are arguing in circles. 

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout @MrObvious @nflfoghorn

Like I said, until a few days ago, the majority of Dems in NYC supported him.

And from day one a majority supported Sandford. It's politics bub not genetics. You really have to separate your inner hack from your brain and get in contact with your common sense.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout @MrObvious @nflfoghorn

The fact is that Weiner lied about it the first time and had to be dragged out of office.  A few short months later he comes back onto the political scene and is fiercely defended by Democrats until a few days ago, when it turns out that his sexual misconduct cannot be concealed.

Yes Liberals, as in more than one.  He still has the support of 16% of Democrats in NYC and I'll bet that number goes up.

Fiercely defended? That's a new one - most people simply remarked that if Sandford is forgiven then Wiener should. You're readying WAY to much into things. 16%? That;s catshiat. Try not to use 'big' words over meager stuff. It makes you hysterical in your pronunciations. Again - since you fail to utter as much as a humorous remark over Sandford you're simply a limp hypocrite. You got nothing.

We scorned him from day one after finding out and none one showed any type of enthusiasm over him running - infact most made jokes about it. 

Sorry - but we really don't worship our political quite the way 'wingers do theirs.

When our critters say and do stupid things we make jokes about it. When GOPers do the same the base rally around them and make false equivalences around why they should be forgiven.

Wiener has a serious judgement problem and there's plenty of other good dems to vote for. I don't have to worry tho since I don't live in NY.

ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious @ahandout @nflfoghorn The fact is that Weiner lied about it the first time and had to be dragged out of office.  A few short months later he comes back onto the political scene and is fiercely defended by Democrats until a few days ago, when it turns out that his sexual misconduct cannot be concealed.

Yes Liberals, as in more than one.  He still has the support of 16% of Democrats in NYC and I'll bet that number goes up.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout @MrObvious @nflfoghorn

Wait a minute - you mean ONE person defending him the FIRST time?

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. Have you any idea just how fundamentally flawed that argument is?

You said LIBERALS. As in all of us. You got fracking nothing.

Democrats use the same tactics over and over again to defend Obama

Defend him against your hysterical nonsense? That one is easy. See when someone concoct something idiotic countering that with facts isn't a defense - it's basically calling your shiat nonsense.

ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious @ahandout @nflfoghorn Patrick S. constantly defended Weiner.  Just a few weeks ago Democrats in NYC defended him.  Democrats use the same tactics over and over again to defend Obama. 

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout @nflfoghorn @MrObvious

No, liberals hate people.  I despise the policies of Liberalism.

blah blah blah


We're not the ones spending post after post hating regular folks.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout @nflfoghorn @MrObvious

 I don't defend him like the Democrats here defended Weiner and Clinton and will continue to defend Hillary.

Who here defended Wiener  We've made fun of him since we found out and liberals in media have done nothing then argued he should remove himself from the race.

You project a lil too much.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout @MrObvious 

My point is simple - you only started bleating that after you tried to use Dems doing something wrong as a cudgel. You're a hack. Here's what I'm saying in contrast to you - Dems or GOPers doing something illegal is not epidemic for that party like you and trollbot tries to imply. That's just asinine and you're an idiot for even trying to say that.

Criminals behave like criminals  and trying to assert that it's some kind of genetic trait of a specific party is moronic.

And I can either assume you're an idiot for trying or you're trying to rattle the cage to get emotional satisfaction. One shows that you should probably educate yourself and the other that you're a disturbed puppy. But you still don't matter.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@Sue_N @mantisdragon91 

I wonder if the religious right will ever understand that in the story of the lost son they're the jealous son that staid behind and they have not learned why the father is so joyousness over the return of his brother.

Put it another way - they haven't figure out that they're Cain, projecting their venom on ours hiding behind God as an excuse for what they do.


Sue_N
Sue_N

@mantisdragon91 @Sue_N I know. It's just more of their callous inhumanity. And to hell with the actual human beings who are caught up in this. They're gay; it's not like they matter anyway.