Morning Must Reads: July 5

In the news: job report, saints, Egypt, global warming, and gas grilling

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

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fitty_three
fitty_three

It's a good thing so many survived.  Most large airliners now have automated landing procedures, so it makes me wonder if we haven't heard the whole story. 

I'm actually speculating out of ignorance, though.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

This crash in San Fransisco is sounding like pilot error - came in too low and under powered, tried to gun it up but instead probably hit the sea wall with his wheels which would've damage the wheels and rammed the plane into the tarmac.  It's early though....

ahandout
ahandout

Five days before Benghazi and the Cairo demonstration, Obama brags about killing Osama at the DNC.  They praised the killing of Osama 21 times at the DNC.

 "A new tower rises above the New York skyline, al- Qaida is on the path to defeat and Osama bin Laden is dead."  That is what Obama said on 9-6-2012.

This what the protesters shouted in Cairo on 9-11-12.   "Obama, Obama we are all Osama."  No reference to youtube.  They were talking to Obama, calling him out.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-pJGX1JzyFc

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

This is what we have to look forward to if the GOP gets their way.

Child's pregnancy sets off Chile abortion debate

The case of a pregnant 11-year old girl who was raped in Chile by her mother's partner has set off a national debate about abortion in one of the most socially-conservative countries in Latin America. Chileans were outraged on Friday after state TV reported that the girl is 14 weeks pregnant and was raped repeatedly over two years. Police in the remote southern city of Puerto Montt arrested her mother's partner, who confessed to abusing the fifth grader.

 The case was brought to their attention by the pregnant child's maternal grandmother. Doctors say the girl's life and that of the fetus are at high risk. But in Chile, ending the pregnancy is not an option. Chile allowed abortions for medical reasons until they were outlawed in 1973 by Gen. Augusto Pinochet's dictatorship.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20130705_ap_c42b2ba8a58f4698a817ac13bd5c97ef.html#ll8Z3yAJp8rOdlDJ.99

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

Here is where people spend much of their summer Friday nights and much of their Saturdays? 

No breaking news, no emergency, not even just pleasant non-political interactions-sad. 

paulejb
paulejb

"Mayhem in Cairo as Morsi Backers Fight for Return"

"CAIRO — Egypt’s bitter split over who should be ruling the country exploded into violent clashes in the streets of Cairo and elsewhere on Friday as masses of demonstrators celebrating the ouster of President Mohamed Morsi battled crowds of Islamists who wanted him reinstated."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/world/middleeast/egypt.html?_r=0

It is a struggle between the 7th and 21st centuries which must be decided in the Arab world.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

This perfectly illustrates conservatives vision  of Democracy, which is it's perfect as long as it bring them the desired outcome, but when it doesn't it must be flawed and needs to be altered.

David Brooks' Own Private Egypt

So when Mohamed Morsi was elected president of Egypt, or when Hamas and Hezbollah won elections in Gaza and Lebanon, some Committee on Core Beliefs should have had a veto over the outcome? What could possibly go wrong?

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

Next time the conservatives scream about activist judges we only need to mention this clown.

Scalia fails to grasp true democracy

In his dissenting opinion in the Windsor marriage case, why is he mocking concern for the dignity of individuals?

MrObvious
MrObvious

@nflfoghorn

Read paulejbs comment to me and understand why this is a bad. He wants this unreadable dreck. At redstates he's just one more voice in a sea of torrential stupid.

Here you guys give him a voice. So that drowns out the rest of the voices and they go elsewhere. For what? Engaging the trollbot fool? What's the end? Satisfaction? Curiosity? Reason?

Mantis have been getting him off now for several weeks and he thanks him, Fitty and you.

He's not interested in a reasonable argument back and forth. He want the same kind of uniform morose drivel the rest of the tea party pack argue for. 

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

It's been real folks.  I may stop by tomorry.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@fitty_three 

You have to have the ground equipment for the automated landings and it's not installed at all airports (though LAX....).  Also, there's a lot of scenarios you wouldn't use them for so....yeah.

What bugs me is they should've known they were coming in too low.  At the very least, the tower should've been able to tell them that they were way below the approach vector.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@ahandout So Obama can't mention that he killed Osama, but GWB can pose in front of a "Mission Accomplished" sign and turn a blind eye to the abuses of Abu Grhaib. Sounds logical.

manlyman
manlyman

So you really think that's gonna happen here manindrag? Right, sure you do.... there really is no depth too low for you is there?

ahandout
ahandout

@mantisdragon91 Scrapping the bottom to come up with a story from Chile to support abortion on demand, mantis.

The US is more likely going the direction of Pakistan, than Chile.

ahandout
ahandout

@mantisdragon91 Don't fret md, it's never going to happen.  Watch the skies over your head instead.

PaulDirks
PaulDirks

@ahandoutMake up your mind. Last week the protests in Egypt had NOTHING to do with Libya and anyone who thought otherwise was an administration stooge.


mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb Unlike the struggle between the 19th and 21st Centuries which must be decided in the GOP

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

If only David Brooks' eligibility rules for Egyptian political candidates applied to Republicans as well.

The problem with Egypt's brief democracy, the New York Times columnist writes, was the wrong people were elected by the wrong people:

"Members of the Muslim Brotherhood are defined by certain beliefs. They reject pluralism, secular democracy and, to some degree, modernity.... When you elect fanatics... you have empowered people who are going to wind up subverting democracy.... Many have absolutist, apocalyptic mind-sets."

Quoting Adam Garfinkle in The American Interest, Brooks writes that "for this sort of person, 'there is no need for causality, since that would imply a diminution of God's power.' This sort of person 'does not accept the existence of an objective fact separate from how he feels about it.'"

"This sort of person" is a casting call for the Republican Party. People like:

  • Tex. Rep. Louie Gohmert, who knows, knows, knows that Indonesian-born Barack Obama has "gone to war with Christianity"; that the Department of Homeland Security is stockpiling arms to suppress Americans; that the Boy Scouts will answer to God for allowing gay members; that America's "openly rebelling, even from the top, against God's teachings in the Bible" is a "sign," a "milestone," that our nation is headed toward the end of our existence.
  • Ga. Rep. Paul Broun, a member of the House Science Committee, who says that "all that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior."
  • Tex. Rep. Lamar Smith, the chairman of the House Science Committee, who denies the causal connection between carbon dioxide and climate change, denies the reality of global warming and denies that regulations to reduce carbon emissions would have an impact on climate.
  • Minn. Rep. Michele Bachmann, who says it's a "very real concern" that the HPV vaccine to prevent cervical cancer could lead to mental retardation. (She also calls climate change "voodoo, nonsense, hokum, a hoax.")

I have not yet begun to quote. There are plenty of other fanatics where they come from.

Writing about Middle Eastern fanatics, Brooks says "Islamists... lack the mental equipment to govern." Does he really not get that this diagnosis nicely fits the Tea Partiers, enabled by simpering colleagues fearful of right-wing primary challenges, who have ground our own government to a halt?

Brooks warns that when anti-modern, anti-pluralist, anti-secular, anti-fact candidates are elected, "they are always going to centralize power and undermine the democracy that elevated them." Can he actually say that without thinking of the laws rolling back women's rights that Republican governors and Republican legislators in Wisconsin, Ohio, North Carolina and Texas are railroading without due process in the dead of night? Without recalling the laws preventing young people, poor people and people of color (i.e., leaning Democrat) from voting that are being rammed through by Republican statehouses and Republican chief executives in Maine, Pennsylvania and around the country? I know that the human mind is deft at dealing with hypocrisy -- cognitive dissonance is the polite term for it -- but this is neurologically miraculous.

I'm no defender of Islamists, and I'm as frustrated as anyone else when an apparently democratic process lifts anti-democratic forces into power. But the place where Brooks takes his argument is a doozy, whether applied to Egypt or America:

"...[E]lections are not a good thing when they lead to the elevation of people whose substantive beliefs fall outside the democratic orbit. It's necessary to investigate the core of a party's beliefs, not just accept anybody who happens to emerge from a democratic process."

So when Mohamed Morsi was elected president of Egypt, or when Hamas and Hezbollah won elections in Gaza and Lebanon, some Committee on Core Beliefs should have had a veto over the outcome? What could possibly go wrong? See under: Allende, Salvador in Chile, and Mossaddegh, Mohammad in Iran. Or Bush v. Gore. No, that's too farfetched -- Antonin Scalia et al surely decided that one totally without reference to core beliefs.

Maybe David Brooks is just laying the groundwork for a cabal of Republican elders to pay a little visit to Rand Paul if it looks like he's on a path to winning the 2016 GOP White House nomination. But why wait? Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, Donald Trump, Michele Bachmann and a gaggle of attention addicts who aren't yet household names can be headed off at the presidential pass, right now, before the freakshow-lovin' media gives them any oxygen. In earlier times, the establishment's rationale for pushing them out of the primaries would have been that they'd be unelectable in November.

This political death panel, at least, could actually be honest about their lacking the mental equipment to govern.

manlyman
manlyman

You're sounding a little shrill there mr oblong. Skivvies a little twisted?

roknsteve
roknsteve

@MrObvious @nflfoghorn Yesterday Paulie proved that he doesn't have any reading comprehension or doesn't really read replies.  I was talking to SueN about gardening and said I planned to go spray some yellow jackets in the grass and he came back with a comment about me killing the bees.  He's a brain-dead troll.   

ahandout
ahandout

@mantisdragon91 @ahandout  Obama can brag all he wants to about killing Osama.  Just don't run and hide behind Hillary, Susan Rice, and a lame youtube video when al Qaeda comes calling.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@fitty_three @ahandout 

Benghazi is like catnip too 'wingers. Despite no scandal, despite one conspiracy theory dumber than the other, they continue. Because if they stop they have to ask themselves what their party is really up too.

It's ignorant twittery at its best.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@manlyman It already is happening. Have you noticed that all the latest abortion restricting bills have no exemptions for rape and incest.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@ahandout @mantisdragon91 Chile is a cautionary tale of what happens when Right Wingers get absolute power. The US is indeed going the way of Pakistan, a secular government under siege by religious fanatics who want to enforce their religious views on everyone else.

ahandout
ahandout

@PaulDirks @ahandout  I think you are confused as usual.  It's easy to understand why you would be confused since the White House has lied and changed their story on this many times.  But, the truth will come out eventually.  And, Hillary and Obama will both be exposed for the lies that they concocted.

The same al Qaeda group that organized protests in Cairo, carried out the Benghazi attack.  There were NO protests in Benghazi, just a terrorist attack planned by Egyptian al Qaeda.  See that was easy.  There WAS a protest in Cairo; there WAS NOT any protest in Benghazi. 

Show me where the Obama administration has made any statements that Egyptians were involved in Benghazi.  Obama, Rice and Hillary went out and lied to us for 2 weeks when they knew at the time it was a terrorist attack.  And they spent our tax dollars apologizing to al Qaeda for a youtube video.

Why isn't the state department questioning, or asking to extradite these terrorists?  The LIBYAN president said that it was a terrorist attack by foreigners the day after.  At least some administrations have truthfulness and transparency as their "touchstones."  We have no stones Barry.

Instead of telling the American people the truth, Obama lied and went to Vegas. 

MrObvious
MrObvious

@PaulDirks @ahandout 

I hope you're not expecting consistency from Handy; it's about Obama - the link or no link is irrelevant 'cause I bet he doesn't even read the stuff he links.

ahandout
ahandout

@paulejb @ahandout That discredited chart is as dependable as the "hockey stick" graph of the global warming alarmists. Waa, wah, waaaah.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@ahandout @mantisdragon91 No one hid behind anyone, except possibly the GOP creators of the "Innocence of the Muslims" video scandal. Who scurried like rats when they realized that their "October Surprise" ended up costing American lives.

paulejb
paulejb

@ahandout @paulejb 

Global warming and Barack Hussein Obama, two of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated on a gullible public.