Morning Must Reads: July 1

In the news: Cairo protests, Croatia, the Republican case for immigration reform, George W. Bush and Edward Snowden, Texas oil, and the battle of Gettsyburg.

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

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nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

@outsider2011 'Read your rant....to cite an example of your point, for months and months certain trolls have harped on Senate Democrats for not passing a budget (taking them at his word here, truth behind the machinations notwithstanding--stay with me here).  So when proof is shown that the Senate did indeed put a budget proposal together we get this response:


"House Republicans see the joke for what it is...an hilarious attempt by left wing loons to destroy the economy."

Goal post-moving and Topper philosophy at its finest.  Never having to say you're wr....wr....wrrooonnn.....

Remember how trollspam helped them win the 2012 election. That's why @mantisdragon91 and the rest of us who are sane don't need to waste much time with trolls.

terryclifton1
terryclifton1

California just raised the tax on gas again..It's almost .80 cents a gallon, highest in the nation.  Hip Hip Hooray!! Hip Hip Hooray!! California consumers can now expect higher prices on food and other goods as it will force companies to raise prices to offset the higher cost for delivery. Don't you just love it when government sticks it to the little man?

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

"I believe that everyone should honor and respect Bugs' courage in defying the Hive Mind and engaging in dialogue with those who do not agree. He may not be very good at it, but at least he has the fortitude to get into the arena."

Some trolls confuse troll-feeding with productive dialogue. 

ahandout
ahandout

Obama to Egyptian Christians: Don’t Protest the Brotherhood

Among other things, under Morsi’s rule, the persecution of Copts has practically been legalized,  as unprecedented numbers of Christians—men, women, and children—have been arrested, often receiving more than double the maximum prison sentence, under the accusation that they “blasphemed” Islam and/or its prophet.  It was also under Morsi’s reign that another unprecedented scandal occurred: the St. Mark Cathedral—holiest site of Coptic Christianity and headquarters to the Pope Tawadros himself—was besieged in broad daylight by Islamic rioters.  When security came, they too joined in the attack on the cathedral.  And the targeting of Christian children—for abduction, ransom, rape, and/or forced conversion—has also reached unprecedented levels under Morsi. 

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/raymond-ibrahim/u-s-asks-egypts-christians-not-to-oppose-morsi/

ahandout
ahandout

Obama's Arab Spring:

With the Middle East now more hostile to U.S. interests than ever, the "Arab Spring" has become a major political liability for the president. Try as he may, he can't distance himself from it.

Betraying his frustration with Cairo's Muslim Brotherhood, which egged on U.S. embassy rioters, President Obama said, "I don't think we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy."

..But in a May 2011 speech at the State Department, Obama essentially took credit for Islamists' rise to power as part of his broader Mideast strategy to help free them from the "repression" of despots, while ending their "suspicion" and "mistrust" of America from the war on terror.

"That's why, two years ago in Cairo," the president expounded, "I began our engagement based upon mutual interests and mutual respect."

The main beneficiary of his "engagement" was the radical Muslim Brotherhood, which has called for jihad against America and the destruction of Israel. The main loser was steady U.S. ally Hosni Mubarak.


Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/092112-626667-obama-engineered-rise-of-egypts-muslim-brotherhood.htm#ixzz2XpWSTXj7


paulejb
paulejb

"New evidence connecting Egypt’s President Morsi to 9/11 attack on consulate in Benghazi"

"The document as well as the full article are at Walid Shoebat’s blog. You must go read the full article as Walid Shoebat, Ben Barrack, and Keith Davies lay out evidence that points to what looks like a botched and contrived kidnapping plan to capture Ambassador Stevens and then trade him for the Blind Sheik."

Sadly, this appears to be a credible explanation of the Benghazi attack. It explains the reluctance of the Obama regime to come clean on what happened.

ahandout
ahandout

@nflfoghorn @outsider2011 @mantisdragon91 Like many liberals, mantis has George Bush syndrome.  This is his therapy.  

Since the guy you elected is the most corrupt president ever, and never tells the truth about anything, there is not much point in taking his supporters seriously.  The Congress is a joke.  During a corrupt administration, in the middle of more scandals than you can comprehend, they want amnesty for millions of fellow lawbreakers.  Nothing that any of these corrupt politicians say or do can be taken seriously.

ahandout
ahandout

@terryclifton1 The liberals in California have never seen a tax, fee, fine, or parking meter that they didn't raise higher. Greedy little government worms.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@ahandout So GWB's idiotic idea of bringing Democracy to the Middle East didn't work to well. But at least he managed to kill 4500 of our troops and waste Trillions of our dollars.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb A lot like North Carolina where hundreds are arrested every Monday for the most trivial of reasons.

ahandout
ahandout

@paulejb  The President of Libya said that the attack was executed by foreigners from the start.  At least we can depend on ONE president to tell the American people the truth.  Libya has more transparency than the Obama regime. 

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb New evidence comes out that the Right Wing will stoop to anything to create something out of nothing. If only there was this much scrutiny about why we invaded Iraq or why CIA warnings leading up to 9/11 were ignored.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb Yep this will hurt the GOP for decades, once people realize that it isn't what the GOP claimed it was.

paulejb
paulejb

@mantisdragon91 @paulejb 

Barack Obama will rue the day he threw in with Mohamed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood. Especially if Morsi orchestrated the Benghazi attack to free the Blind Sheik.

deconstructiva
deconstructiva

@outsider2011 @TyPollard @roknsteve @mantisdragon91 @ahandout

FTW, outsider! I also see an analogy: imagine a bar called Swampland. The crowds are good and depending on who's working, the food and drinks are good most of the time, like when Alex Altman and JNS are working the kitchen ...and I bet Scherer cooks a mean BBQ... and bartenders like Katy mix awesome drinks. Thus, visiting the place daily is a nice routine. However, now a couple of guys show up and argue, throw tantrums, and trash the place every day. Every. GD. Day. In most bars, management and bouncers would set the hooligans straight or toss 'em out. But for reasons unknown, Swampland management rarely intervenes. The crowds soon get fed up, dissipate, and business goes south. That's how the current trollery goes over with me. Enough already.


outsider
outsider

@TyPollard @roknsteve @mantisdragon91 @ahandout  

Yeah, but Manti's acting exactly like Paulie isn't helping. 


When everyone shuns him, he starts to get desperate - witness the early comments below. But when Mantis starts replying to him, it not only makes him stop being desperate, it encourages him to type more. It also gives him satisfaction that he not only got someone to respond to him - but also gets the satisfaction of knowing he's driving the rest of us away. 

 So i have to ask Mantis; wtf? What is the matter with you that you have to respond to this loser every time he posts? I can't imagine it's an impulse control issue; you served in the military, and i doubt that would have been acceptable there. 

Is it insecurity? You're scared that what he posts might be true, so you need to stifle him? Letting him ramble limits how much other stuff we all have to read from him; it's proven - the less we speak to him, the less he posts. It might take awhile, but when we've done it for extended periods, he went and got off on other sites. 

Is it ego? You just can't see a dissenting opinion? 

Is it over compensation, you're insecure, so you need to be more Paulie than Paulie?

 Is it selfish - you just don't give a damn that you're driving away the people who have the same view as you, and have been posting here all along? That what you want supersedes what we've all asked from each other? 

That sounds rather republican, to be honest. 

 So what is the deal here? I mean, your points were valid; the first 100 friggin times we saw them. Now it's just repeat, repeat, repeat - and it's always about the past - not what's going on now. 

I agree with you in your opinion of Bush (and your low opinion of Paulie, too, btw). But if all you say is, you guys did it first, then we're basically saying we're no better than we are. 

So what is it? Why can't you leave him alone? And why doesn't the fact that you're part of a community here in the swamp matter to you at all? 

Ty's point about the quality of the board is true; it used to be better. But Stevie's point is true too - take a look at the posts. 

Hammer handy all you want - he's as useless as a punshing bag - and serves the same function. But Paulie just gets encouraged by his beat downs. 

Why on earth do you need to talk to him? Why do you need to drive us away? If you want to argue one on one with him, kindly exchange personal info with him and take your animus offline  because the rest of us don't need to be a party to it. 

Really, in the end, you're just crapping on all of us. And all we did was ask you to refrain from talking to this one loser. 

And Paulie? Honestly, you're just a piece of crap who's useless. I think you know it too, which is why you try so hard to convince others of your "superiority". 

I think you know it's a load of crap as much as the rest of us. Which is why you need guys like Mantis, right? So he can go all nuts, and be your foil?

You're both fools. And it's kind of sickening. 

Mantis, if this isn't all just about making yourself feel the same way that Paulie makes himself feel when he's antagonizing everyone, kindly cut this crap out. 

There should not be 350 posts, where two hundred and 50 of them are just you and Paulie repeating the same crap back and forth, post after post, day after day, and now week and month after week and month. 

 

TyPollard
TyPollard

@roknsteve @mantisdragon91 @ahandout 

True but I think Times' Swampland is dying because they don't care about their product and they certainly don't care about the regular readers that aren't trolls.

ahandout
ahandout

@mantisdragon91@ahandout   HERE'S WHAT HE DID:

2009: Obama travels to Cairo to deliver apologetic speech to Muslims, and infuriates the Mubarak regime by inviting banned Brotherhood leaders to attend. Obama deliberately snubs Mubarak, who was neither present nor mentioned.

He also snubs Israel during the Mideast trip (and still hasn't stepped foot inside the borders of America's closest Mideast ally).

2009: In the speech, Obama blames Mideast hostility toward Israel and the West on "colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims." He also vows to withdraw U.S. troops from Muslim lands and push for creation of a Palestinian state, proclaiming:

"The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. ... It is time for the settlements to stop." Music to the ears of the anti-Semitic Brothers, who applaud wildly.

2009: Obama appoints a Brotherhood-tied Islamist — Rashad Hussain — as U.S. envoy to the Saudi-based Organization of the Islamic Cooperation, which works closely with the Brotherhood.

2010: Hussain immediately travels to Egypt to meet with the Brotherhood's grand mufti, and is followed by Obama, who makes another trip to Egypt.

2010: Secretary of State Clinton lifts visa ban on Egyptian-born grandson of Brotherhood founder Hassan al-Banna. Tariq Ramadan, a suspected terrorist on the U.S. watchlist, is warmly received in Washington.

(Clinton's closest adviser, Huma Mahmood Abedin, happens to have extensive Brotherhood ties in the region.)

2011: The White House fails to back Mubarak in a coup organized by the Brotherhood.

2011: The White House sends intelligence czar James Clapper to Capitol Hill to whitewash the Brotherhood's extremism. Clapper testifies the group is a moderate, "largely secular" organization.

2011: Clinton sends her special coordinator for Middle East transitions, William Taylor, to Cairo to give Brotherhood leaders special training to prepare for the post-Mubarak elections.

2011: In a shocking first, the State Department formalizes ties with Egypt's once-outlawed, terror-tied Brotherhood, letting diplomats deal directly with Brotherhood party officials in Cairo.

April 2012: The administration quietly releases $1.5 billion in military aid to the new Egyptian regime and vows to secure additional billions from the IMF and World Bank. It also taps the Overseas Private Investment Corp., a U.S. agency, to underwrite $2 billion in private investment in Egypt and other Arab Spring states. More, it forgives up to $1 billion in Egyptian debt.

June 2012: Clinton grants visa to banned Egyptian terrorist who joins a delegation of Brotherhood officials from Egypt to meet with Obama's deputy national security adviser to demand the release of the Egyptian Blind Sheik terrorist imprisoned for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

July 2012: Pledging "a new partnership," Obama invites Egyptian President and Brotherhood hardliner Mohammed Morsi to visit the White House in September. Morsi is expected to demand Obama free the Blind Sheik, who happens to be a key Brotherhood leader, as well as the hero to the lead 9/11 hijacker and the current al-Qaida kingpin, both Egyptians themselves.


Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/092112-626667-obama-engineered-rise-of-egypts-muslim-brotherhood.htm#ixzz2XpaTNSBp

ahandout
ahandout

@mantisdragon91 @paulejb Yes, mantis, Radical Muslims are a forgiving people.  That's why they are still pissed about conflicts that happened hundreds of years ago.

They treat the Coptics so well in Egypt because the MB there are a loving and gentle people, and don't forget how nice they are to female reporters.


mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb @mantisdragon91 The memo is from 91. You think things never change. In 91 we were still angry with Vietnam, now they are one of our biggest trade partners in SE Asia.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb @mantisdragon91 Actually they aren't an enemy yet, but if you want to make them an enemy feel free. Though you idiots would have learned that we have enough enemies in the world without arbitrarily creating them.

paulejb
paulejb

@mantisdragon91 @paulejb 

How about we don't fund them with $1.5 billion, that the USA does not have, and we don't send them F-16s? How about that, Bugs?

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb @mantisdragon91 So what are you suggesting exactly? Do we ignore the party in power? Do we invade yet another country in the Middle East and do a regime change?

paulejb
paulejb

@mantisdragon91 @paulejb

"Obamacare Shocker: Premiums Could Double"

Liberals may argue that even though premiums may triple for some Americans, these individuals will be getting “better” insurance. But that’s not what then-Senator Obama promised—he said premiums would go down under his plan by $2,500 per family per year. Moreover, the Congressional Budget Office noted in 2009, well before the law passed, that premiums would go up in part because Obamacare forces individuals to buy more costly health insurance policies:

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/07/01/obamacare-shocker-premiums-could-double/
Obama lied and affordable health care died.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb @mantisdragon91 And how is that any different than the way things are now. If your doctor retires or no longer wants to deal with you existing insurance exactly what is your recourse?

paulejb
paulejb

@mantisdragon91

ObamaCare: Talk to your doctor now
"Is she planning on retiring early or moving to a large group or a hospital practice where you can’t follow her? Will she be taking your new insurance? Will the various Medicare cuts and changes force her to limit her practice size just when you’re reaching 65 and need her the most?"

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb @mantisdragon91 That article was a pile of BS. The author pulled teaser rates from the internet from his comparison. If you believe that you must also believe that you can get a new Cadillac for $299 a month and no money down.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb @mantisdragon91 Do you have proof that they won't? Until the law is fully implemented and in place for a couple of years all we have is pure speculation on both sides.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb @mantisdragon91 Check back in a couple of years. I think the GOP will be in for a rude awakening on this, once people actually experience it for themselves as opposed to the propaganda fed to them by the scaremongers.