Morning Must Reads: June 27

In the news: gay marriage, the happiness of pursuit, Obama's Africa trip, Wendy Davis, Mitch McConnell, Fannie & Freddie, and Glenn Greenwald.

  • Share
  • Read Later
Mark Wilson / Getty Images

The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

453 comments
ahandout
ahandout

Have Antipoverty Programs Increased Poverty?

"Did the increase in expenditures and expansion of government antipoverty programs accelerate the decline in the poverty rate as President Johnson had anticipated? Incredible as it may seem, almost the opposite occurred. Just as government spending on the various antipoverty programs accelerated in the late 1960s, progress against poverty came to a grinding halt. The official poverty rate reached a minimum in the late 1960s. By 1980, the overall rate was 10.3 percent, virtually unchanged from the 10.0 percent rate of 1968."

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/research-analysis-reports/have-antipoverty-programs-increased-poverty

Despite the evidence, the Obama administration reinstituted the welfare state on steroids.

paulejb
paulejb

"Perhaps the most damning statement found in Stevens' journal is one reported by Foreign Policy dated September 6th "Dicey conditions, including car bombs, attacks on consulate, British embassy, and our own people. Islamist 'hit list' in Benghazi. Me targeted on a pro-Q [Qaeda? Qaddafi?] website (no more off-compound jogging)." This is similar to a paragraph found in early drafts of the Benghazi talking points:"

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/06/26/Amb-Stevens-Final-Diary-Entry-Never-ending-security-threats

A brave man sent into harms way by Barry and Hillary and then abandoned.

paulejb
paulejb

‘Healthy’ Democrats

As I already told you people, ObamaCare, much like the alleged stimulus, is a welfare program for Democrat activist groups. Barack Obama is engaged in funneling taxpayer dollars to his version of the Brown Shirts.

ahandout
ahandout

Don't forget our first black president:

Bill Clinton came out of a poor family

William Jefferson Clinton was born in Hope, Arkansas, on August 19, 1946. He was a fifth-generation Arkansan. His mother, Virginia Kelly, named him William Jefferson Blythe III after his father, who died in a car accident before his son's birth. When Bill was four years old, his mother left him with her parents while she trained as a nurse.

ahandout
ahandout

http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0310/from-poverty-to-power-celebrities-who-started-with-nothing.aspx

The Bottom Line
From inner-city housing projects to rural homesteads without heat, many of the most famous and wealthy celebrities had very humble beginnings. What brought all of these stars from rags to riches was focusing in on their natural talents, dedicating themselves to its development and not stopping until they had a hefty bank account. It just goes to show that you don't have to be born rich to become rich.

But, you DO have to be born.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

I also understand that today was a no-feeding day amirite?

ahandout
ahandout

@paulejb Barry had a fund raiser to get to in LV.  No time for the expendable.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@MementoMori

You have a gov and GOP legislature that keep cutting and cutting and then you have a GOP school board that mess with the school curriculum so Texas churn out halfbaked students that don't know religio nutter from real science and data. I'm sure the trolls will blame someone else but look at the school budget and the kind of ignorant garbage they force students too read.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@MementoMori 

What do you expect from a state that allows a fertilizer plant to be built in the middle of a town and then let the owner load it up with stuff that goes boom.. Not to mention Texas regulatory body allows trans-Canada to use eminent domain to force people to sell their properties too them. Even though you can only use it if the pipeline can also be used by the public, but then what can you expect from a fully corrupt regulatory board and a corporations that acts like sharks in churning waters.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@nflfoghorn 

That kind of advertisement seems as bright of an idea as Perry attacking Wendy. Sure, all the amoral 'look a dead person' gawkers and bloodthirsty sub-humanists might like it, but most people are put off by it. 

ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious @ahandout I ask for facts and you give me Mother Jones and class envy.  I give you evidence and facts that government programs have failed to lower the poverty level and you give me this BS?  The only thing that gets people out of poverty is work.  Those that cannot work should be taken care of.  Government is not the answer to poverty.  You can tax the rich all you want; it's never made anybody successful.

MementoMori
MementoMori

(Someone doesn't know what "rate" means...)

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

@MrObvious @nflfoghorn I am definitely not crazy about seals getting eaten by sharks.  But to the simile of Republicals having the same instincts...point taken.

jmac
jmac

@MrObvious @ahandout Crap.  It's not worth it scrolling pages and pages to get to decent posts.   When you engage him, it hurts all of us.   

ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious  Since we are checking sources:

Mother Jones (abbreviated MoJo) is a politically left-wing[2] American magazine, featuring investigative and breaking news reporting on politics, the environment, human rights, and culture. Monika Bauerlein and Clara Jeffery serve as co-editors. Madeleine Buckingham has served as Chief Executive Officer and Steve Katz as Publisher since 2010.

The magazine was named after Mary Harris Jones, called Mother Jones, an Irish-American trade union activist, opponent of child labor, and self-described "hellraiser". She was a part of the Knights of Labor,[3] the Industrial Workers of the World,[3] the Social Democratic Party,[3] the Socialist Party of America,[3] the United Mine Workers of America,[3] and the Western Federation of Miners.[3] The stated mission of Mother Jones is to produce revelatory journalism that in its power and reach informs and inspires a more just and democratic world.[4]

Mother Jones is published by the Foundation for National Progress, a nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization. Mother Jones and the FNP are based in San Francisco, with other offices in Washington, D.C., and New York.[

Not much "thinking" here, just socialists at work.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout 

Ahandout - thanks for the Monty Phytonesque argument. It's a good thing that I actually didn't pay for it. Have a good evening.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout @MrObvious 

I really don't care what and whom you are. It's not even relevant. You honestly want me to produce mortality rates from before basic labor laws and after? You're daft if you think it shows anything but a stark improvement. Seriously. Are you OK - honestly.

So I wonder where you got the occupy shtick from.


It was a link to a different article - it has nothing to do with the factual statistics in the article. Ahandout - sharpen your toolness. 


Do you appreciate fair and factual reporting on Occupy Wall Street? Please donate a few bucks to help us expand our coverage.


Here are all the sources, nothing about occupy.


Income distributionEmmanuel Saez (Excel)

Net worth: Edward Wolff (PDF)

Household income/income share: Congressional Budget Office

Real vs. desired distribution of wealth: Michael I. Norton and Dan Ariely (PDF)

Net worth of Americans vs. Congress: Federal Reserve (average); Center for Responsive Politics (Congress)

Your chances of being a millionaire: Calculation based on data from Wolff (PDF); US Census (household and population data)  

Member of Congress' chances: Center for Responsive Politics

Wealthiest members of Congress: Center for Responsive Politics

Tax cut votes: New York Times (SenateHouse)

Wall street profits, 2007-2009: New York State Comptroller (PDF)

Unemployment rate, 2007-2009: Bureau of Labor Statistics

Home equity, 2007-2009: Federal Reserve, Flow of Funds data, 1995-2004 and 2005-2009 (PDFs)

CEO vs. worker pay: Economic Policy Institute

Historic tax rates: Calculations based on data from The Tax Foundation

Federal tax revenue: Joint Committee on Taxation (PDF)


Here's your 'data'


The Cato Institute 1985


A partisan 'Winger 'think' tank. With information from 1985
Statistical facts against a partisan think tanks opinion?
Hmm
Tough choice.

ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious @ahandout  Your site uses the terms from the occupy movement, very professional.  

And I didn't challenge you to produce mortality rates, are you OK?  Still think I'm Rusty?

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout @MrObvious

I just cocoon don't myself in hyper partisan drivel.*

But whatever - I can't change your mind anyways regardless. You're at the screaming fringe shaking your fists at data. Dittoheads are like that.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout @MrObvious 

I gave you facts. Statistics. I can't help that you hand be a bunch of hogwash opinion and I provide you with actual statistical facts.

As I told you before - I will always pick facts over factoids. Your opinion stands against a world body of actual data from not only this country, but also other industrialized countries. No wonder 'winger are so deluded. They actually think they can say nah uh, and just keep on believing easily disproved factoids. sorry - I just cocoon myself in hyper partisan drivel. 

By any statistical margin - and I mean real statistics here, not some shoot from the hip opinion from a partisan website - people who try to live on welfare fall within a couple of percentage points of the entire work force. Everyone else wants to work. And will get a job if there is one. They don't CHOSE to be on welfare - they're there because of the income disparity. 

Again - facts. Actual facts - against your unicorn fantasy about this sea of lazy no good poor people that choose to be poor because of the government. That's not even close to true among industrialized countries with even better welfare systems. 

Feel free to live in your partisan bubble, but this is not a liberal argument - it's a fact based argument.

And btw - I like how you 'challenged' me to produce facts regards to mortality rates and median income from before the 60's. I don't know what fantasy land you came from but if you have to 'challenge' someone about the fundamental fact that we now have lower mortality rates, higher median income then before basic labor laws and such, then you have a funking screw lose.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@roknsteve @MementoMori @paulejb 

Trolls are sad; they want to get off so badly they rather look like morons then add sensible counter arguments. This isn't a bloodsport; facts doesn't change because you say nah ah...they only changed based on how close they are to the truth.

Acting like a unwashed ass to rile up a conversation is such a sad way to jump into things. GOP is looking like a bunch of geriatric fools and their base ain't dispelling the myth of dumbassery.

MementoMori
MementoMori

@paulejb @MementoMori Had to go back to 2010, eh?

Keep digging, you're bound to hit gold some day.

And you have yourself a nice night, paulie, I'm going to go have a beer and a laugh.  I'll catch your's and handy's Pinky and the Brain act tomorrow, I'm sure.