Morning Must Reads: June 24

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

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forgottenlord
forgottenlord

Blackhawks win the cup....scoring two goals 17 seconds apart late in the third period to win 3-2.

This also ends a streak spanning 9 seasons with 9 separate Stanley Cup winners (Blackhawks last won in 2010).

And above all else, thank God it wasn't Boston.

sacredh
sacredh

Another OT, but Denver just hired Brian Shaw as head coach. It's a smart move for Denver.

ahandout
ahandout

From the Congressional testimony, the IRS targeted conservative groups.

The testimony offered by other  Cincinnati IRS employees—which I have reviewed in full, un-redacted form—contradicts Mr. Cummings's claims and those of Obama administration officials, such as White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, who has pointed the finger at "line employees" in Cincinnati. The IRS interviews suggest that the agency's officials in Washington closely controlled the review of tea-party cases.

Consider Gary Muthert, the Cincinnati IRS screener who told investigators that he began singling out tea-party applications at the request of Mr. Shafer, who told him "Washington, D.C., wanted some cases."

And there is Elizabeth Hofacre, the Cincinnati IRS agent who for several months in 2010 was charged with handling all tea-party applications. She told the committee that she understood the "lookout list" used to flag the applications of tea-party groups was also intended to flag those of Republican and conservative groups. When the applications of liberal groups came in, she sent them along for general processing.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324577904578557274272099196.html

retiredvet
retiredvet

"How many teapubs does it take to change a lightbulb? None. They'll all sit in the dark and blame the dems."

retiredvet
retiredvet

There are corporate interests directly in this "big money" as well as their public and employee relations image.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout 

Give it up; the scandal here is that despite the hoops both tea party and progressive groups had to jump through almost all of them got their precious tax exempt status. No one lobbying for one political side or another should enjoy tax exemption. Tax them all. God what a bunch of fricken tools.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@retiredvet 

The sad part is that they'll lobby and get donations to defy it; simply by sitting on their hands. What a bunch of clowns.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@retiredvet I'm with Benen – how, exactly, do they plan to "defy" it? Are they gonna show us all by not marrying gay people? Because I'm pretty sure they weren't gonna do that anyway.

I swear, it's like they're all four-year-olds, stomping their feet and threatening to hold their breath until they turn blue.

sacredh
sacredh

Shaw might not have been enough to get Paul resigned and that's their number 1 priority. I think Shaw would have been a good fit with the Clippers too though. My wife's calling about the movie. Gotta go.

sacredh
sacredh

retiredvet, quite a few of the hi-tech companies are reluctant to locate to states that discriminate. Their employees tend to be extremely intelligent, younger, more open to change and willing to embrace alternate lifestyles. The states that are holding back on equal rights don't look nearly as attractive to a company when it's employees are going to be unhappy.

ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious @ahandout  No, the issue is who is guilty of a federal crime? And, how far up does it go?

The scandal is that we have an agency like the IRS that the government uses against its people. 

Tax them all is a good idea.  Everybody should have to pay taxes, no matter what income bracket.  When  you have some skin in the game you feel a bit different about the players.

sacredh
sacredh

MrObvious, during the 2008 election my MIL's church was handing out voting guides to the congregation. I thought seriously about turning them in to try to get their tax exempt staus revoked but in the end I decided that anything that got her out of the house three times a week should get a pass.

sacredh
sacredh

And most of the donations will line their pockets as "administrative fees".

sacredh
sacredh

They'll defy it like I defy gravity. Of course my @ss usually winds up on the floor and my back hurts, but I don't recognize gravity as a force.

retiredvet
retiredvet

@Sue_N @retiredvet I think the GOP is toast if they don't drop these idiots. Public opinion seems to be for equal rights.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

@sacredh Win Coach of the Year honors and get fired anyway.  What's the use?

sacredh
sacredh

kbang, that's my favorite Genesis album by far. I was lucky enough to see Genesis when they still had Peter Gabriel.

kbanginmotown
kbanginmotown

@sacredh "Green Pastures" == "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway"

I see a (Genesis) connection!

sacredh
sacredh

Well, it's movie time for me. My wife and I are going to watch "Green Pastures". It's a B&W movie from 39' about Genesis. It has an all-black cast and is truly a standout movie.



retiredvet
retiredvet

Agreed. I worked in high-tech for 40 years. The mindset is more open among the workforce.

ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious @ahandout  You don't know what you are talking about as usual Mr O.  The Congressional testimony has already refuted that lie that this was local.

ahandout
ahandout

@sacredh Those are state sales taxes. We should have a national tax that hits everybody's wallet, like a sales tax.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@ahandout @MrObvious 

A) it was done locally and if this was a federal crime then it was when liberal (as in only liberal) groups were targeted under Bush. This time it was both liberal and conservative.


And no, the scandal is still that they got it. Maybe you're fine with political groups doing so with your tax money but I'm not. 

But let me make this extra crispy; I WANT ALL MONEY OUT OF OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. I don't want anyone other then regular voters to have some 'skin in the game'. Money corrupts. We know that. 

Get it out of the political system and don't let any political group get tax exempt status on our backs.

sacredh
sacredh

Everybody does pay taxes whenever they buy something.

sacredh
sacredh

Maybe I just grew up thinking that my business was my own and that I shouldn't be concerned about other people did. I don't care what people do as long as they keep it private. The things that I find repulsive, really are by any definition. It's not a long list.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@sacredh 

I just don't find any of it deviant, but some would. Their thoughts about bestiality, pedophilia and gay sex is just moral outrage. But I draw the line at bush. I find THAT wrong.

sacredh
sacredh

"I wonder how it would be with a midget?"

My first wife was 4'10". I'm 6'3". I can tell you "Not bad". 

MrObvious
MrObvious

@sacredh 

I find it funny just how much homophobes seem to think about gay sex. More so then what gay people do. And it's not just gay sex, but it's all kind of perverted material. Now the most I might think is 'I wonder how it would be with a midget?' but that's just because as a humanist I can see beyond the size of a person. 

retiredvet
retiredvet

Start that book. It would be a best seller.

sacredh
sacredh

MrObvious, one of MILs church friends was here yesterday and they were talking about how things were going all to hell since Obama became president. they started talking about gays/lesbians in the military and same sex marriage becoming legal. The house next to us is for sale and the MIL said she wouldn't be able to sleep at night if a gay couple moved in next door and was having sex so close to us. I asked her if that meant that Mr. Kitty would be getting a workout. Her friend choked on her coffee. Then I got banished to the downstairs.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@sacredh 

They should all lose their tax exempt status; if they're lobbying for a party then they're definitely political. And if religious group want to get in bed with a party then they can pay taxes like the rest of us.

And as you said, and all charities should lose their tax exempt status if they do not donate at least 50% of all the money. In fact make it 75%. That would leave them with '25% profit margin' to dole out.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@retiredvet @MrObvious @ahandout 

I dunno, my feeling is that unless they take a complete look at all of them and do it to the letter of the law they'll simply be even more lax. Which is bad for everyone.

I do not feel I should have to 'sponsor' someone political hate by paying more taxes so they can hide their donors from scrutiny and paying taxes.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@retiredvet @MrObvious @ahandout 

Absolutely AND be forced to show who donates to them. The scandal was never a stupid search phrase - the scandal was 100% political groups getting tax exempt status AND hide who pours money into them.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@sacredh 

But of course; and they'll saying that they have almost 100 percent success rate in defying it too.

retiredvet
retiredvet

I think it will be more than trying to drown it out.

sacredh
sacredh

Gay couple: We're married.

Freedom Federation (Hands over ears): LA LA LA LA LA. I can't hear you.

retiredvet
retiredvet

They can't or won't admit that equal rights are going to win. It's just a matter of time. It will be amusing to see what they do.