Michael Crowley on the Politics of Benghazi

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TIME’s Michael Crowley joined Morning Joe to talk about the attack last September that continues to dominate conversation in Washington D.C.


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DeondreHakim
DeondreHakim

So the Milk Dud on the panel is calling the guy who testified a liar. Great...

Jetstar99999
Jetstar99999

How about the politics of left wing shills posing as "reporters"?  The cover up continues. Predictably the White House has begun the (post-whistle blower hearing) disinformation campaign, each point now dutifully being parroted by the MSM w/o any investigation, cross checking, or accountability: "well there were really no assets in theater or nearby" "nothing could have been done" "nor were refuelers even available" "hurry along" "no story here". Yet, meanwhile mid level commanders are not being allowed to speak, nor will they. As for Obama himself, still not a word of explanation about what he was actually doing the night of Sept 11, 2012.


This issues here in fact go far beyond Benghazi.


Connect the dots...... massive and dangerous national security leaks (Joint Israeli- USA Iranian nuke hacking program, Drone kill list, Operational details of Bin Laden raid, and other vital secrets and programs) 12 to 18 months back, with White House at the time repeatedly declining "story callback" offers from the NY Times and other media entities, with Obama disinterested in finding the leakers - all conveniently making Obama look like the strong Commander & Chief, such theme THE central theme at the early Sept 2012 Dem Natl Convention......... to slowing down or calling off an attack and leaving SEALS to die for a ("Al Qaeda is decimated") political narrative........to changed talking points and UN Ambassador Susan Rice letting her prestigious high office be used to lend credibility and authority to  words she absolutely knew were false and misleading, all to assist in continuing the cover up, and winning an election mere weeks away.


Note the following telltale comment by Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) on July 24, 2012 in regard to these large series of leaks: " I think the White House has to understand that some of this is coming from their ranks." While still trying to defend that Obama himself might be involved, she then says "The notion that the White House would purposely release classified national security information is offensive. Its wrong" Apparently now, Ms Feinstein, like the President, has no further interest in finding out the source of these leaks.


All of these things occurred at systemic levels having one purpose - re-election at any cost. High crimes? absolutely, and will make Watergate look like a parking ticket. After a series of National Security leaks last spring, left wing reporter Judith Miller (obviously tipped by vested parties) very oddly kept repeating the following talking point, (paraphrasing): "well if Obama FIRST declassified certain programs, and THEN the White House leaked" "its not a crime."


While a valiant effort by Ms Miller to try to clear the minefield, one is still looking at impeachable type offenses - sham "declassifications", massive and dangerous national security leaks to win an election, entire programs in shambles for political gain, field operatives exposed or perhaps killed, other (on the ground) current critical assets and potential future relationships permanently damaged going forward, for example Pakistani Dr Afridi (who helped established DNA evidence in the Bin Laden raid) tortured and given a 33 year prison sentence, all this just part of the damage - such systemic abuse and misuse of power precisely why there is an impeachment clause in the Constitution.


Put White House Natl Security Advisor Tom Donilon under oath and odds are he will plead the 5th. By the way, nothing Donilon does is ever done w/o the full approval of the President of the United States.....

SteveJ
SteveJ

Well there's no way those Americans should have been in the position they were in on September 11 of all days -- when American officials should maintain even more security precautions.

Rather, than driving that point home, the Republicans will overplay their hand, spout all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense, and end up helping the people they are criticizing.

I think Republican Strategist Ed Rogers has it pretty much right.  Also in his column is the Accountability Review Board Report on Benghazi authored by Ambassador Thomas Pickering and Admiral Mike Mullen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/05/10/the-insiders-enough-benghazi-already/


mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

How frightened must the GOP be of Clinton to have spent so much time and money creating attack ads for the 2016 campaign 3 years in advance?

paulejb
paulejb

"The Benghazi Scandal Grows"

"CIA director David Petraeus was surprised when he read the freshly rewritten talking points an aide had emailed him in the early afternoon of Saturday, September 15. One day earlier, analysts with the CIA’s Office of Terrorism Analysis had drafted a set of unclassified talking points policymakers could use to discuss the attacks in Benghazi, Libya. But this new version​—​produced with input from senior Obama administration policymakers​—​was a shadow of the original."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/benghazi-scandal-grows_722032.html#

Why did Petraeus go along with the cover-up?

paulejb
paulejb

"Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference"

"White House emails reviewed by ABC News suggest the edits were made with extensive input from the State Department.  The edits included requests from the State Department that references to the Al Qaeda-affiliated group Ansar al-Sharia be deleted as well references to CIA warnings about terrorist threats in Benghazi in the months preceding the attack."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/exclusive-benghazi-talking-points-underwent-12-revisions-scrubbed-of-terror-references/

The Smoking Gun.

AlanMacDonald
AlanMacDonald

NBC just used this obscene headline to characterize the battle of Republicans against the administration in the Benghazi hearings:


"Boehner presses Obama"

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

 "continues to dominate conversation in Washington D.C."

While the rest of the country wonders why unemployment numbers are so bad.

Adding--Is there a better example of Beltway crapitude than Crowley and Scar discussing any issue?

jmac
jmac

Rove already has his ad made and ready to run attacking Hillary should she run in 2016, just as McConnell hit Ashley Judd before she even threw her hat in the ring.   Republicans - afraid of a little woman?  Apparently, scared silly.  

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

Incoming flood.

Benghazi is all about politics.  Not one person screeching about it actually cares about the people that died, and comparing it to Watergate is astonishingly dishonest and transparent.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

Bush ignored the CIA warnings about 9/11 and then his administration delayed the release of those documents and the results of the 9/11 commission until after his re election. When will the GOP investigate that? Seems to me a coverup of 3000 deaths should trump a potential coverup of 4.



mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@DeondreHakimActually he is calling the guys who cut and pasted his testimony liars.

On Friday, Cummings provided several additional details of Hicks pre-hearing interview that were omitted from the record and counter claims that State officials tried to keep him from speaking with Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah). Instead, Cummings points to portions of the interview where Hicks says he was told to ensure an attorney was present if he spoke to Chaffetz.

In the omitted portion of the transcript, Hicks says the only thing he was warned about was not revealing “part of the FBI investigation or privileged to the FBI investigation.”

Cummings also highlights portions of the transcript that were omitted from the committee’s record in which Hicks says he was never told to withhold additional information.



mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@Jetstar99999 How about the politics of useful idiots who cut and paste from dubious sources without even the courtesy of providing a link.

outsider
outsider

@SteveJ  

And how about some accountability for cutting funding for security on foreign soil? 

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb Yep the GOP is trapped. Do they go after a woman who is way more popular than they are , or do they just wait for her to crush them in 2016?

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb How cute the attack ads for 2016 are already up. The GOP must really be frightened.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb Was there ever a time when the GOP wasn't getting thousands of Americans killed?

PaulRandall
PaulRandall

@paulejb We are talking about talking points here, not testimony under oath.

PaulRandall
PaulRandall

@paulejb And the crime is what? That a group of people collaborating on putting out talking points collaborated on revisions. that is what you want to criminalize?

MrObvious
MrObvious

@Paul,nnto 

The approval rating of our esteemed pile of turds reflects what regular folks think about the amount of time 'wingers waste on Benghazi, F&F and repealing Obamacare (35 times now?)

If it wasn't for gerrymandering the next 10 years would see the annihilation of GOP as a viable national party.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb @mantisdragon91 And yet would you like to compare her approval ranking to that of the GOP congress? Most people with a brain favor them just above influenza.

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

@jcapan @Paul,nnto To be fair it was only 3 of 4 over the Sox (should of/ could of been a sweep)  but we'll take it.

I like the, so far, equality (parity is for the lesser league) in the MLB. May 10 and all in the AL Central but the Pale Hose over .500? Excellent.

The cuter P and I are heading to Medford. I expect there will be plenty of winery/brewery/cheese shop (who knew?) visits. At the very least it will be warmer than here. 

I hope you and your daughter will observe the Hallmark Holliday that is Mother's Day by giving her some peace (Okay maybe that was just my Mom that wanted that)

Be well. 

jcapan
jcapan

@Paul,nnto @jcapan  

 Well, thanks for sweeping the BoSox, just another evil empire. I'd appreciate further assistance this w-end. This season is just a continuation of all the good things from last year (thus far). Love Buck, solid pitching, playing 9/+ innings. But jeez there are presently a lot of great records in play. Going to another beeotch of a year snagging a seed, even with 90+ wins. 

Jealous of your OR visit, the best time of year out there IMO. Whereabouts? I'd guess some of that sweet brew will be on your agenda? Deschutes or Full Sail among my favs. I'm heading to the Sierra Nevedas solo this fall. Counting down the days. All is well here, heading out in a bit with my daughter for our typical Sat. a.m. date while Mom works. Some coffee and shopping since it's pouring down here. Cheers

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

@jcapan @Paul,nnto  Tomorrow. I sure like the Birds better than the Twins.

By "like" I certainly mean "respect". Nothing about the Orioles suggests that the Sox, Yankees, DEVIL Rays, can't be passed.  ( Note I am ignoring the Torontos)

I hope things are well in Japan. Off to Ore in just a few weeks,

shepherdwong
shepherdwong

@Paul,nnto "DC is aways the last to know (or care about) what actually concerns the public."

It's actually worse than that. They know - they've seen the polling - and they still don't care. Like most of our elites, it's all about them. They've ceased to serve the public interest, willfully.