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U.S. President Barack Obama responds at a press conference in the Brady Press Breifing Room at the White House in Washington DC, on April 30, 2013.

“He gives speeches, he gives interviews, he says words, but he doesn't really rally people, doesn't create a wave that breaks over the top of the Capitol Dome and drowns the opposition, or even dampens it for a moment.”
— Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan in "Is Obama Already a Lame Duck?" The lame duck debate has carried over the weekend as the President weighs his options on gun control and immigration reform.
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JilliBrown
JilliBrown

Riiiiight peggy, because having a cheerleader as our previous president worked out soooooo well for us. 

ZacPetit
ZacPetit

People listen to the words the President says. You? Not so much.

Ohiolib
Ohiolib

And just a few years ago, the teatards were complaining that all obama did was rally people, rather than give substance. +shakes head+

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

Poor Peggy playing PR hack for a senile fraud of a president took a toll on her common sense and her credibility, must be tough mouthing thing you don't mean in support of a party that has swung far, far to the right since your days of relevance.

drudown
drudown

Dear Peggy:

I realize that, just as fasting may seem like the best thing to do for a person without food, so too, do you and your ilk seem to increasingly believe your degrading propaganda. But this shopworn "Obama is slipping" PR media blitz hardly matters to the People that voted him into office: all they care about is which political party is more committed to improving the lives of their families. Whereas President Obama is pushing for universal Health Care, you are pushing them off the cliff via "austerity". Apparently you seem to think that the lessons from Europe's social unrest are somehow inapplicable here at home, or that the lessons from, say the Robin Hood Foundation's social experiment are not worth carefully implementing. Puzzling even. 

As such, I understand the GOP puppeteer wants to focus on "messaging problem" that arises when you refuse to be honest with the basic facts. Instead of dispassionately that the GOP agenda unapologetically is crafted with an eye towards helping the 1% of the 1%...here, the unspoken "negative messaging" prong (likely a pitchfork from special interests) of the "newly branded" GOP sounds more like sour grapes. 

So, feel free, to land imaginary body blows in the political ring regarding your favorite red herring partisan talking points (see, e.g., Benghazi, drones, debt) but you are fighting a losing cause. As a threshold matter, learned minds know that the GOP has a worse track record in power (see, e.g., W failing to act on the pre-9/11 memos; drones are more cost efficient than invading/occupying Arab sovereigns; the GOP vehemently opposes ANY tax increases that will offset the fiscal shortfall created by said GOP policy).

Moreover, the vast majority of People in the US would rather have a State that funds preschool programs, Health Care and that regulates major markets to prevent price fixing, poisoned products and responsible disposal of hazardous waste. I mean, it is hard to enjoy "Freedom Fries" with fish full of mercury. The problem is, of course, may be aptly summarized by Gracian's famous maxim: "everyone acts according to self-interest." But keep whining about President Obama's purported shortcoming. That way, you can drown out the applause from the stock market's record highs.

"Words, as is well known, are great foes of reality." - Joseph Conrad

jmac
jmac


"All of these things we've said about what the president could do, should do, might have, could have, but the central thing to keep in mind is his opponents -- you talk about taking them out to dinner, making nice with them -- these people, politically, want to cut his heart out and throw his liver to the dogs."    Dan Rather

georgiamd
georgiamd

Perhaps not lame, but certainly ineffective. Don't look now, but...

‘Fiscal cliff’ debt truce nears its end with no solution in sight A three-month truce on the debt-limit war is about to expire, and Congress and President Obama will enter a no-man’s land with nobody quite knowing how things will shake out when the debt peace ends in two weeks. So, here we go again, folks. The debt now stands at 16.8 trillion and he will, undoubtedly, be asking for more...a LOT more. When does it all end?


grape_crush
grape_crush

She's changed her tune, considering that only a couple of months ago, she wrote this:

"Past presidents, certainly since Ronald Reagan, went over the heads of the media to win over the people, to get them to contact Congress and push Congress to deal. Fine, and fair enough. But Mr. Obama goes to the people to get them to enhance his position by hating Republicans. He's playing only to the polls, not to Congress, not to get the other side to the bargaining table." 

One month she wants Obama to play footsie with congressional GOPers, the next she wants them to be 'drowned out.' Fk you, Peggy Noonan. 

Pierce calls BSSo do others.

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

Because the point of leadership is to drown out the opposition?

Aunt Thirsty makes less sense than usual.

notsacredh
notsacredh

As usual, Peggy is a couple of cans shy of a six-pack. Writing does give her something to do until happy hour.

jmac
jmac

".  . . he doesn't create a wave that breaks over the capital dome . . . "    In other words, he no Ronald Reagan repeating Noonan's  dulcet, treacly  " morning in American."

Unfortunately, for Noonan, Reagan couldn't create a wave with the crazies that have taken over her party, even if she could raise him from the dead.   

Arimathean
Arimathean

Good Lord, a measured approach that doesn't seek to "drown out the opposition"?!  It's almost as if he displayed the traits of good leadership! The horror!

Sue_N
Sue_N

She writes columns, she does the Sunday talk shows, she spews words, but she doesn't really have a clue, can't create a thought that breaks past the vapid wastes of her mind and grabs attention, or is even worthy of it for a moment.

FIFY

MementoMori
MementoMori

Noonan? Let's take a look waaaaay back into the heady days of last November and see what Noonan had to say about the election.

 I spent Sunday morning in Washington with journalists and political hands, one of whom said she feels it’s Obama, the rest of whom said they don’t know. I think it’s Romney. I think he’s stealing in “like a thief with good tools,” in Walker Percy’s old words. While everyone is looking at the polls and the storm, Romney’s slipping into the presidency. He’s quietly rising, and he’s been rising for a while.

Yeah, right.

So tell us again, why are we listening to her now?

http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2012/11/05/monday-morning/

shepherdwong
shepherdwong

Lost me at "Wall Street Journal columnist..."

MrObvious
MrObvious

'Wingers and their need to ignore reality and obfuscate about what's really killing all legislation.

Tero
Tero

How about this for a WSJ headline?

"Is Peggy Noonan Already A Hack Journalist?"

The text of the article would consist of "Yes".

bobcn
bobcn

Let me demonstrate my amazing powers prediction:  Noonan will bash Obama next week.  Noonan will bash Obama next month.  Noonan will bash Obama next year.

Bashing Obama and the Democrats is Noonan's meal ticket.  It would be interesting if she didn't.  Otherwise -- not so much.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

Sounds like an empty suit that the GOP should easily be able to unseat in 2012.

Oh, wait...

notsacredh
notsacredh

Peggy is taking her "Obama Envy" to new heights (lows).  Is President Romney rallying the people?

fitty_three
fitty_three

@georgiamd

For you, probably never.

For the rest of us, it looks like things are getting better and better.

Life really sucks, doesn't it?

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@georgiamd It ends when we vote the last remnant of what once used to be a great national party and is now a bunch of xenophobic, misogynistic, do nothing bigots out of office.

PaulDirks
PaulDirks

@georgiamdWhen does it all end? 

It ends when the economy starts growing and people start making enough money to engage in commerce and pay more in taxes. The deficit is already coming down. The biggest danger to the current recovery is knuckleheads who keep wanting to make things worse just on principle.


kbanginmotown
kbanginmotown

@grape_crush Charlie: "I don't care if you've sunk yourself into a vat of Chardonnay and drunk your way back to the surface, it is not possible for a sentient human being to argue that the Republican obstruction, resistance, and outright vandalism is all in the heads of the people in the White House. However, you can try."

I'd have spit out my martini, if I'd had one. (Oh, wait, here it is now... :)

bobcn
bobcn

@DottieC

"According to a report this afternoon..."

What is with these people who keep quoting articles from the Daily Rash?  Is some web site linking to this stuff to con the clueless?

bobcn
bobcn

@Sue_N 

Peggy Noonan (the Miss Manners of the right) and Harold Ford (professional Democratic concern troll) -- two Sunday talk show mavens who lead no one and have nothing valuable to add to any conversation.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@Sue_N 

This is no different then anyone of them. Krauthammer, Hannity etc. A bunch of overpaid pundificators throwing out 'stuff'. Why need facts, well researched opinions and even basic common sense? There's always someone dumb enough to pay for garbage.

tommyudo
tommyudo

@Sue_N 

Noonan, along with Mark Halperin, are the worthiest personifiers of the damage the MSM does to logical and rational discourse. Freedom of the press is wasted on these loons.

notsacredh
notsacredh

Because if we didn't point and laugh we'd be sad?

Sue_N
Sue_N

"Hack," yes. "Journalist," no.

shepherdwong
shepherdwong

@tommyudo @Sue_N Including people like Noonan and Halperin (I could go on) in the discourse does plenty of damage to the MSM itself.