Morning Must Reads: May 3

In the news: Obama as lame duck, Boston bombers, Howard Kurtz, immigration reform, bunker busters, and Mount Everest

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

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fitty_three
fitty_three

FYI, off subject, but I think that TIME "churns" the Swampland leader board just to try and boost favored pundits' ratings and "retire" commentary that isn't in keeping with what that pundit wants to see.

But this is probably not news.

fitty_three
fitty_three

I've just woken up to a wonderful morning, a balmy 935F, 90.814 bars, wind S at 4...oh, wiat!

That's Venus, and there's no pollution in Swampland!

Must be dreaming...

Tero
Tero

What a wonderful, sane friday at the Swamp. Thanks to all you swamp critters for providing such great discussions for me to read and links to informative articles. Have a great weekend! I hope next week is the same.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

The ongoing debate about how a gay NFL player would be treated in the locker room has largely focused on the idea that times are changing, and that acceptance of a gay player would be a modern development. But it’s often overlooked that the ultimate example of the old-school football coach was also perfectly fine with having gay players on his team.

Multiple players who played for Vince Lombardi, the legendary former Packers and Redskins coach, say that he knew some of his players were gay, and that not only did he not have a problem with it, but he went out of his way to make sure no one else on his team would make it a problem.

In 1969, Lombardi’s Redskins included a running back named RayMcDonald, who in 1968 had been arrested for having sex with another man in public. In the Lombardi biography When Pride Still Mattered, author David Maraniss writes that Lombardi told his assistants he wanted them to work with McDonald to help him make the team, “And if I hear one of you people make reference to his manhood, you’ll be out of here before your ass hits the ground.”

Lombardi’s daughter Susan told Ian O’Connor of ESPNNewYork.com that her father would have been thrilled to have a player like Jason Collins, the NBA center who publicly revealed this week that he is gay.

My father was way ahead of his time,” Susan Lombardi said. “He was discriminated against as a dark-skinned Italian American when he was younger, when he felt he was passed up for coaching jobs that he deserved. He felt the pain of discrimination, and so he raised his family to accept everybody, no matter what color they were or whatever their sexual orientation was. I think it’s great what Jason Collins did, because it’s going to open a lot of doors for people. Without a doubt my father would’ve embraced him, and would’ve been very proud of him for coming out.”

Dave Kopay, the first former NFL player to come out, also played on those 1969 Redskins, and he says that while he never told Lombardi, he believes Lombardi knew not only that Kopay was gay, but that Kopay and another Redskins player, Jerry Smith, were in a romantic relationship.

“Lombardi protected and loved Jerry,” Kopay told O’Connor.

Lombardi’s brother Harold was gay, and when Harold died in July of 2011 he was survived by his partner of 41 years — meaning their relationship began just before Vince died in September of 1970. As noted by Doug Farrar of Yahoo! Sports, Vince knew Harold was gay and didn’t just believe in “tolerance” but believed strongly that discrimination against gay people was wrong, just as he was angered when he saw mistreatment of his black players, or discrimination against his fellow Italian-Americans.

If a coach who was considered old-fashioned even by the standards of the 1960s accepted gay players in his locker room, the idea that gay players couldn’t be accepted in an NFL locker room in 2013 is both silly and sad.

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

@Sue_N If one were to do a cold mathimatical equation West Texas would be a bigger story than Boston.

Our media is too lazy. The next West Texas,  the next Ilolio City, the next Salt Lake City is right around the corner.


sacredh
sacredh

Polish your barrel wingnuts. We're coming for your guns. Then we're going to make you get that old refrigerator on your porch. Quit feeling up your sister too.

paulejb
paulejb

@sacredh 

Christians are already a hated minority among the left wing media. The liberal media would also hate Jews and Muslims but they don't gave the stones to so so. Jews and Muslims fight back. 

sacredh
sacredh

This is the second time in less than 3 months that you've made an OT post. One more time and I'll have to flag you. - The Hall Monitor formerly known as sacredh.

fitty_three
fitty_three

[clicks heels]

thump

Believe me, it's an act best not performed by 270 bald what gus.

sacredh
sacredh

Well, when I woke up 10 minutes ago, I was lucky not to p!ss on the ceiling. I must have been dreaming of a socialist paradise.

fitty_three
fitty_three

Kbanger, this one's for you! 

<clink> Clink! </clink>

MrObvious
MrObvious

@Tero 

All in the Name of Stalin the holiest and socialism. Allah for all.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

Don't let the door hit you on the w--

my bad, mistook you for a troll.  Carry on.  ; )

Sue_N
Sue_N

That is a great story! We could use a few Lombardis in football - or any sport - these days.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

I take it Jerry Smith got the AIDS virus after he and Dave's relationship.

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

@mantisdragon91 Vince the old school, hard (behinded) coach, very observant Catholic, and decent human being.

Great post mantis, thanks. 

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

Centrism = ruination

You realize Republicals say the same stuff.

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

@Sue_N In addition to Charlie's always wonderful take downs of Our Lady of the Dolphins, he has an important section showing how centrism got in and began the ruination of the Democratic party.

PNNTO's just popped up as I was about to hit post - must type faster! ;)

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

@Sue_N Not to mention the take down of the Democratic party.

Great link Sue, thanks. 

Sue_N
Sue_N

@Paul,nnto @Sue_N Exactly. According to the Dallas Morning News, there are 44 facilities in Texas that reported having at least 10,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate. One of them is on the outskirts of my city (yay). And, btw, I had no idea it was there until the DMN pointed it out. There are several in the Dallas area. I wonder how many people know about them?

All we're getting down here is one agency after another saying, "It's not my job, man." Our state chemist (and, hey, who knew Texas had a state chemist?) is even reported to have said, "I'm not a scientist." Wait, what? "I'm not a scientist, I only play one for the State of Texas." What the hell is that about?!

And, of course, the totally predictable response from our Evil Prince and his Idiot Minions (Perry and the lege) has been that more regulation isn't the answer, because FREEDOM!

I hope Texas goes blue soon, or there won't be anything left down here.

sacredh
sacredh

I'm enjoying this stuff no end. They've gone so far over the edge that they're practically turned themselves into outcasts.  They've made a living out of discriminating against everyone that didn't fit their perception of what a good christian was and now the mainstream looks at them like they looked at others. Welcome to the new world.

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

@nflfoghorn  Ironically for the republicans, as a party, national election results suggest the opposite. 

Sue_N
Sue_N

You're welcome. I remember when Clinton nudged the party to the right, but I didn't know that had begun under O'Neill. I was in college in those days, so wasn't paying attention. But this centrism thing has got to stop at some point before we give away the whole damn farm.

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

@sacredh There's some truth to that. The world is moving past them and rather than evolve they whine. 

sacredh
sacredh

They're like the bullies in high school that later in life have to work for the nerds they used to torment.

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

@sacredh No kidding. 

 One of the few things the left has learned is to laugh at the bigots who say "I thought you were supposed to be tolerant". Of course this does allow the rightists to assume their favorite pose. 

Victimhood. 

sacredh
sacredh

Too much bondage. Not enough discipline.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@sacredh

You'll have to tell your subjects to wise up and get with the program.

Otherwise, you'll just have to shell them, at least occasionally.

sacredh
sacredh

"That might make them grateful enough to leave a virgin tied to a post at your door as a sacrifice."

I have zero interest in young virgins. Give me a mature woman that knows what she's doing any day of the week.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@sacredh

I tell ya scratch and sniff is the only way to go with lottery tickets.  Maybe all those unused steaks should go to your subjects in the valley..

That might make them grateful enough to leave a virgin tied to a post at your door as a sacrifice.  It could become a yearly ritual: use the trebuchet in your back yard to distribute tasty cow parts to the masses below, and they, as grateful as they should be, hold a yearly parade with golden calves and incense candles and debauchery and stuff when they bring you your yearly virgin.

It's a win-win in the GOP sense of a win-win!

sacredh
sacredh

fitty, I've been hitting scratch-offs like crazy for the last 3 weeks. I stopped at the store on the way to work yesterday afternoon and bought both of us a nice big steak to throw on the grill. We never got a chance to cook them. I wound up ordering us a pizza for dinner.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@sacredh  

[stepping back from edge]

Mine too.  I fried her oysters last night.

sacredh
sacredh

And don't say MIL and snatch in the same sentence. I just threw up a little bit in my mouth because of the mental picture.

sacredh
sacredh

fitty, I have very little shame. The wife is saying very little about what I do. She's been one happy camper.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@sacredh

Um wow, sacred? You too? In public?  By the dam?

Have you no shame?  What will the wife say?  When will the MIL snatch your heart out of your chest?

sacredh
sacredh

Lol. I woke up in the same position that I feel asleep in. "We" is me and the guy I'm working with and "there" is the dam. It was windy all evening too.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@sacredh  

I was having Dear Leader dreams.

I'll have to tell my wife that either I'm guy or that I'm a hard-on Stalinist.

sacredh
sacredh

We were busy from the time we got there until the time we left last night. No breaks at all.

sacredh
sacredh

Mousse? There's something about sacredh.

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

@Sue_N Just an update. The incumbent withdrew before the first ballot. 

In a Joe Lieberman-esque move she said she will run in the general. We'll beat her again then. 

A good morning. 

Sue_N
Sue_N

@Paul,nnto @Sue_N Preacher, meet choir. I see absolutely no reason to put forward and then vote for Democrats who are just Republicans in sheep's clothing. It doesn't matter how many Ds we have in the Senate or House if they're not going to vote like Democrats. We need to start wielding that primary threat, too.

Paul,nnto
Paul,nnto

@Sue_N  Then Democratic voters need to be more like rightists. Give them their due, they are electing people who represent their view.  (Joe Klein's pearl clutching aside there is nothing wrong with being partisan, there actually are strong differences between the parties. And there is nothing wrong with that)

I've spent the last month + working to elect a "better Democrat" to the Minneapolis city council. Tomorrow is the ward convention and I'm an assistant to the Precinct Captain. 8 AM until...