Morning Must Reads: April 22

In the news: Tsarnaev brothers, immigration reform, Koch brothers, food stamps, Earth Day

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The early morning sun rises behind the US Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

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roknsteve
roknsteve

There's toxic fumes over on the WMD thread.  I had to wash my ears out with soap. 

sacredh
sacredh

OT, but I think I made a bad situation at work even worse. We're short handed and have been for a long time. The guy I'm working with now is getting detailed to another installation next week for temporary assignment because they're even worse off than we are. From the first day I get a new guy, I start training him to do my job so that I don't have to spend any more time in the office than I have to. There's a job in my class opening up where he's going. Because he's already been trained for it, he's a lock to get it. He says he's putting in for it. ooops.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

So is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev going to stand trial outside of Boston when he's able, or since the charges are federal will he even go before a jury (really not sure how that works if anyone is willing to enlighten me)?  If he will be before one, I would hope they have the sense to do so far away from Boston to give him an impartial trial.

MementoMori
MementoMori

No OSHA Inspections at Texas Plant in 5 Years: Are We Doing Enough to Protect Workplace Safety?

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration has not inspected West Fertilizer Co. in five years, and the EPA fined the plant in 2006 for failing to have a risk management plan. Elk says OSHA is understaffed and underfunded nationwide, across all industries

When your governance philosophy is 'make the government small enough to drown in a bathtub', and cutting spending is your only argument, you're going to get bad government.

But for conservatives, that's not a bug. It's a feature.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/4/18/no_osha_inspections_at_texas_plant

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

As Jon Stewart pointed out this past week after the Senate shot down (no pun intended) the flimsiest gun control law in the history of ever, arguing against gun control because "criminals will ignore the law anyways" is an argument against the purpose of all laws.  That's kind of the point about criminals - they don't care about any laws - but that doesn't mean we should throw our hands up in the air as if enforcing them is an exercise in futility.  Why bother with a drug war if people will buy it illegally anyways?  Why bother putting locks on your doors if a criminal will choose to ignore them anyways?  If the only argument the NRA and the right can make against strengthening gun laws is that a fringe element will break those laws anyways, what's the point in having any laws about anything?

MementoMori
MementoMori

 According to Reuters, the plant was storing 270 tons of highly volatile ammonium nitrate fertilizer that should have been reported to the Department of Homeland Security but was not. The Texas Department of State Health Services was aware of the dangerous chemical but failed to alert DHS, the news agency reports.

When a state fails to do it's job, and Texas is a spectacular example of failed governance  then the feds need to step up. 'States rights' are now getting people killed.

And, on a side note, why isn't the owner if the plant, Donald Adair, mentioned in the article?

More Bodies Identified In Texas Fertilizer Plant Explosion

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/04/22/178393531/bodies-of-first-responders-identified-from-texas-explosion

MrObvious
MrObvious

Isn't it interesting that if we had a gun registry and universal gun control laws the older brother would have had a really hard time getting any guns and there would be a way to trace gun powder purchased?

Yeah - imagine if we could STOP someone that had been interviewed for his 'radicalism' (and couldn't become naturalized because of it) from purchasing guns before he used them on the police officer?

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

Training people to take jobs you're qualified for without having to pay your salary and benefits.  Shame on you!

paulejb
paulejb

@DonQuixotic 

Seriously, Donnie? You are accusing the inhabitants of liberal Boston of being unable to be impartial? You do not have much faith in your fellow liberals, do you?

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@sacredh 

Are their articles on the Washington Examiner's website or is it all junk advertisements and pop-up subscription reminders?  I'm inclined to believe the latter.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

The guy who played Horshack on "Welcome Back, Kotter" is deceased - can Weiner do a mean "heh heh heh"??

MrObvious
MrObvious

@MementoMori 

But 'wingers want to defund EPA. And now they wonder why there was no inspection. They always want every which way.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

Criminals always ignore laws.  The speeder ignores the speed limit signs and the rapist doesn't care about existing rape laws - how're you gonna enforce those??

MrObvious
MrObvious

@DonQuixotic 

We don't have laws to stop people from breaking them; they're there so we have a way of punishing people who does.

It's basically a way of securing property. 

MrObvious
MrObvious

@MementoMori 

That's what you get when you have 'wingers running a political system. Barely function, low on resources.

paulejb
paulejb

@MementoMori 

Why no inspection since 1985? What was OSHA doing for the last 28 years?

MrObvious
MrObvious

I can imagine someone thinking that anyone can get guns anywhere - legally maybe. But I doubt it's that easy without contacts. Forcing people to buy weapons from criminals ultimately drains what's available and it also makes gun sellers liable if they sell guns to criminals that then ends up on the street.

Just see how hard it is for criminals in European nations to get their hands on weapons and what kind of weapons they get their hands on. It's often not semi or fully automatic rifles and most of it is older hand guns or things like hunting rifles/shot guns.

paulejb
paulejb

@MrObvious 

Silly boy. The Tsarnaev brothers were unlikely to follow gun laws. 

paulejb
paulejb

@MementoMori

The entire case is a joke. There is no evidence of racial targeting or quotas.

Clearing the cops

'Surprise: The big lawsuit against the NYPD’s stop-and-frisk program, which enters its fifth week today, is actually doing the city a service — by proving, with each passing day of the trial, that critics have no valid legal claim against it.'

sacredh
sacredh

The benefits are the same. He'll get a raise of several thousand a year. It also increases his job security by orders of magnitude.

sacredh
sacredh

I went through RCP. I don't know why.

MementoMori
MementoMori

@MrObvious @MementoMori Ladies and gents, the conservative plan for running the government:

Step 1 - Defund the government.

Step 2 - Government fails.

Step 3 - Use failure as an excuse to further defund the government

Step 4 - Go to Step 1


sacredh
sacredh

They don't have solutions or ideas so they complain. And they wonder why they keep losing the White House.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@MementoMori 

They're still looking for the other 9 dead people they reported at the Boston Bombing.

paulejb
paulejb

@MementoMori 

The Post has a hell of a lot more credibility than the left wing political hack judge presiding over the trial.

sacredh
sacredh

The New York Post gives new meaning to "crack reporting".

sacredh
sacredh

Off to work. Good night folks.

sacredh
sacredh

I may have been the only instructor that swore a lot. I usually took them by surprise when they asked why they had to do something a certain way and I'd reply "Because I f'ing said so. That's why".

sacredh
sacredh

nfl, they're happy to get the training. My job is physically easier than theirs. It gives them an advantage when they put in for a promotion. I always log the time that I train them so that they can use it as proof that they received it. I used to teach classes for them too for new district hires. I taught the MSDS classes and Hazcom.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

@sacredh   Maybe you missed your calling - trainer seems to work for you.  Perhaps the financial disadvantage is offset by you hitting the scratch-offs all the time.

sacredh
sacredh

I'm going to give more training to the guy I'm getting next week too. I'll be working with him for either 2 or 4 weeks. Possibly until June if the guy getting detailed winds up staying there as a shift leader. The guy I get in June has told me several times already that he can't wait until we go on shift together. My boss called me over to his office this morning when he came in to talk about the way I was running my shift. He's fine with it. I train them and then turn them loose to work at their own pace. We're getting more done on my shift than on any other one. They get more done if you just leave them alone and don't try to micro manage.

outsider
outsider

Then you did a good thing. Not for you, maybe - but for him

sacredh
sacredh

roknsteve, the guy I'm working with is my polar opposite. He's religious and a Tea Party member. We were talking a few nights ago about politics and religion. He wanted to know why I wasn't against Muslims because he thought they were crazy. I told him that from my vantage point (atheist), I didn't see much difference between our fanatics and theirs. They all look nuts to me. It all depends on which religion you belong to. I was telling him that both christian and muslim fanatics pervert their religion for political ends so that in my book, they were both the same and both not even religious, but political expressions.

roknsteve
roknsteve

Can you explain the difference between fanatical conservatives and fanatical religious cults?  They all look the same to me.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

Guns cover a multitude of sins. 

sacredh
sacredh

I suggest they look at the fertilizer plant.