With Flip-Flop Frenzy Over, Anti-Gay Marriage Democrats Dig In

Bucking national polls on gay marriage, conservative Senate Democrats track home state opinion.

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Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) after a vote on Capitol Hill in Washington December 17, 2012.

After the sudden flip of several Senate Democrats from opposition to endorsement of gay marriage this week, the stampede may have come to an end, leaving a handful of holdouts in states where opinion still lags the national trend. Now that Sens. Kay Hagan (N.C.), Jon Tester (Mont.), Mark Warner (Va.), and Claire McCaskill (Mo.) have switched, just nine Senate Democrats remain in opposition, a core group that includes some of the party’s most socially conservative members: Joe Manchin (W.Va.), Mark Pryor (Ark.), Bob Casey (Pa.), Bill Nelson (Fl.), Tom Carper (Del.), Tim Johnson (S.D.), Mary Landrieu (La.), Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.) and Joe Donnelly (Ind.).

Showing no sign of concern about shifting national opinion in his culturally conservative state, Manchin told TIME through a spokesman: “I believe that a marriage is a union between one man and one woman.” “My beliefs are guided by my faith, and I support the Defense of Marriage Act,” he added. DOMA, passed in 1996, prohibits same-sex couples from receiving the federal benefits that married couples earn.

Pryor, Johnson, Heitkamp, and Landrieu had nothing to add to their existing opposition to same sex marriage. Pryor’s office told TIME that his position hasn’t changed, either. A spokesman for Johnson, who recently announced he will retire at the end of this year, said that Johnson believes the question is “up to the individual states.” (His own state of South Dakota banned not only same-sex marriage in 2006, but also civil unions and domestic partnerships.) He declined to discuss Johnson’s personal view on whether same sex marriage should be legal.

If there’s tension between Johnson’s public position and his private opinion, he’s not alone. Landrieu has straddled that line, telling BuzzFeed Saturday, “I feel very strongly that people should be allowed to love who they love, but unfortunately my state has a very strong ban against gay marriage constitutionally.” Not only that, but last month a Public Policy Polling survey found that just 29 percent of Louisianans back  gay marriage.

It’s similar story in other southern states. In Manchin’s home of West Virginia, a September 2011 poll found just 19 percent support for legalized gay marriage, with a whopping 71 percent opposed. Even among West Virginia Democrats, gay marriage was opposed by a 61-26 percent margin.

To be sure, a couple of these senators are slightly more equivocal. A spokesman for Donnelly tells TIME, “The Senator does not currently endorse gay marriage. He is continuing to review the issue.” Carper’s office told TIME on Monday that his views “have evolved and continue to evolve.” A switch of position could be easier for Carper, given that Delaware’s Democratic governor is a same-sex marriage supporter, than for Donnelly, whose home state of Indiana voted for Mitt Romney over Barack Obama by more than 10 points in November and whose Attorney General has authored anti-gay marriage briefs for the cases now before the Supreme Court.

And some gay rights supporters are hopeful that two others–Pennsylvania’s Casey and Florida’s Nelson–might be shaken loose from their opposition to same sex marriage. Casey, a pro-life Catholic, did shift his position on gun control after the Newtown shooting last year, and is now under intense pressure from local gay rights activists. But when contacted by TIME, his office had nothing new to add on the topic.

A more promising potential convert could be Nelson of Florida. Although Sunshine State voters approved a statewide ban on gay marriage and civil unions four years ago, a PPP survey this month found 75 percent support for allowing at least civil unions in the state, and a September 2012 poll registered a slim majority in favor of legalized gay marriage.

On Monday spokesman Ryan Brown told TIME that Nelson “strongly supports civil rights for same-sex couples, while believing marriage should be between a man and a woman.” He added that the decision might be out of the Senator’s hands, as “the issue will likely be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court before the end of the year.”

(As those Senators make up their minds, House Democrats—some of whose leaders have performed their own marriage flips of late—are charging ahead. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee  officially opposes DOMA and has criticized Speaker John Boehner for protecting the bill in federal courts. According to BuzzFeed, the DCCC had its “most successful online campaign ever” after it posted a photo to Facebook endorsing marriage equality received 10 million views.)

There are now 47 Senators who approve of gay marriage, including Republican Rob Portman and Hagan, who yesterday told the Raleigh News & Observer, “It’s time to move forward with this issue.” For now at least, nine of her colleagues disagree.

61 comments
craigmarker
craigmarker

Landrieu is a coward.

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@craigmarker 

Louisiana is so backwards in terms of education and their understanding of religious vs. secular government.

Landrieu knows her state is wrong but...while she vocally opposed it, if she endorses gay marriage, the citizens will demand she be evicted from her post and may replace her with someone 100x worst. The majority of  male personalities in Louisiana are very stubborn, & coupled with the high rates of drinking...only the conversative agenda can survive there.

craigmarker
craigmarker

By not getting on the bandwagon, these anti gay states face the prospect of losing talent, tax revenue, and tourist dollars.  Good luck with that!!

Ricemaniac
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Notice how each of these strongly principled individuals either bravely issued no comment, or fearlessly sent a spokesperson to deliver their bigoted views for them. Way to stand up and face the public yourselves, showing the courage of your convictions, you spineless, pathetic cowards.

russedav
russedav

"The gay invention" (see the article by that name at www.touchstonemag.com & also see sodomy's outrageously successful warfare by which the deranged, lawless, fascist, child-molesting pervert obscenity Kinsey & co. has taken us over exposed at www.DrJudithReisman.org) is a delusion & lie that people want to believe, and repeat it until they do, like with the Nazis & the Soviets.  Sodomites are proven lawless, fascist, sick, lunatic, sado-masochistic terrorists that riotously successfully, without evidence or reason, FORCED shrinks to steamroll the reason of the opposition by employing threats of violence, and those who fail to oppose them are spineless, effeminate cowards who could have their citienship revoked and jailed for their complicity in aiding and abetting this obscene lie & moral turpitude that has clearly enslaved the deranged, lawless, fascist SCOTUS as well, as Lawrence v TX proves.  If only today's historically and Biblically illiterate fools knew what our Founders promised, that this post-Christian descent into barbarism was certain to be fatal.  God save us.

gopersareignorant
gopersareignorant

You are a sick bàstàrd and need to seek mental help before you murder someone. You show extreme signs of paranoid delusion associated with twisted factualizations of self imposed extreme stupidity.

SidneyAllenJohnson
SidneyAllenJohnson

@russedav If they taught real history in school it would be pointed out how many of the original and highest ranking members of the Nazi party were homosexuals. They love to point out Nazi occult practices but you never find one without the other. Where there is the occult, you will find homosexuality as well...always.

ohokyeah
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I was raised in a very Republican household, but consider myself to be a Democrat currently. I was briefly a Libertarian leaning Republican voter but decided after some research that Republicans are hypocrites with budget issues as well. The "deficit doesn't matter" until a Democrat is elected president and this worship of low taxes is odd when we're already at historic lows. 

I'm straight, and I believe that gays deserve the right to marry. Ideally I think they should be able to marry in any state, and be given federal recognition of their marriage as well through taxes and other federal benefits to marriage. 

I moved from being a Republican when I saw too much intrusion into the personal lives of people with the Republican mindset. You can't dictate your morals on other people other than your children who live with you. (And that doesn't grant you the right to be abusive if your children do not grow to meet your preconceived moral norms). 

The Bible is not fit to base morality laws off of particularly when there's so many variants of marriage examples in the Bible. See this graphic for some examples: http://bobcargill.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/biblical-marriage.jpg  Anti-gay marriage people ignore the majority of biblical based marital organizations and hold onto the "nuclear marriage." 

You can't be basing moral directives on the Bible when you ignore so many other rules. Are you eating pork or shellfish and wearing clothes of mixed fabrics? Are you shunning women who are menstruating? Do you practice the law of animal sacrifice? If you were a widow with no children, did you marry your brother-in-law? These and countless other disregarded rules are why basing marriage laws on the Bible makes no sense. If you're going to follow the bible, you should follow all of it, not pick and choose things that suit your preformed tendencies. The morals of society do evolve. Slavery is viewed as being acceptable in the Bible, and yet almost no American would think that it would be ok to return to its use.

 If you're a Christian, you should be worrying about following the morals laid out in your version of the Bible yourself, instead of trying to force your version of morals on everyone else. 

Heterosexual couples aren't doing all that great with "the sanctity of marriage" with a colloquially referenced 50% divorce rate. The majority of children born today are born out of wedlock. Preserving neo-traditional marriage (I call it thus because nuclear families aren't the status quo universallly and historically). Marriage has only recently become an institution of love, as opposed to a contract for property management, treaties and production of male heirs. The states with the highest divorce rates are in the bible belt, not the "God-less liberal" states. The "God-less liberals" actually marry later and take the commitment more seriously from the evidence. The teen birth rate is also highest in the Bible belt. If anything is indicated by the south's divorce rate it's that marrying too young and when lacking education harms marriage endurance. 

Gays are being treated with "separate but equal" treatment with regards to marriage on a federal level. A gay couple can be legally married in their state, but are not entitled to any federal benefits granted to heterosexual couples such as tax benefits in life and in the death of one of the spouses, Social Security benefits among other things. Separate but equal seems to typically really mean "separate and one group gets it better than the other." I believe at least this aspect of DOMA will be struck down. Couples in the states that recognize gay marriage will be granted access to federal benefits for married couples. I also think it's likely that states with laws which grant legal status that stops short of legal marriage will be compelled to full legal marital status since they're being classed separately.

As for marriage being about reproduction, well, no, not since it became about love instead. By this logic, if marriage was primarily about reproduction, all marriages where a woman has reached menopause naturally or surgically or is otherwise medically shown to be infertile should be immediately dissolved. Gay couples can and do use the precise same methods to have children as infertile couples do to reproduce. 
 
As for the worry about the psychological effect of gays raising children, I can't see how they could fare any worse than heterosexual couples do. The majority of children born now aren't being born to the paragon of familial stability with a married,  loving mother and a father in the home that gay couples were being held up against in the discussion which elicited Justic Kagan's response on fertility as a factor of marital eligibility. 

Children statistically suffer when there's divorce, and divorce rates are higher in the more conservative states typically. I've yet to hear of a gay couple who has kept their children in cages, or have raised feral children or have raped or allowed their opposite sex significant other to rape their children, I've heard of all of these things happening in more than one instance where there's been a heterosexual pair leading the household. Children suffer when poverty is involved, and poverty is more likely when teen pregnancy happens, and teen pregnancy happens more often in the conservative states, poverty likewise is more common in conservative states. Children who are wanted from the get-go are better adjusted, and that would be what any children who have single sex parents would be: wanted. Sure, we should be encouraging more marriage and childbirth within wedlock, but to pretend like heterosexuals are greater parents than gay couples are is misleading. 

Imehalika
Imehalika

@ohokyeah 

Let us flee from another Sodom and Gomorrah wrath of God.

Acknowledge God. We are going too far now.

You really need to ask God to give you an understanding of his word. Search the scriptures my brother.


ceebee
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Very well said!

tomsquawk
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we need to go ahead and say it's all good. we have too many other problems that need to be addressed. oh, wait, will this cost me a vote? that's a problem.

GrantMacDonald1
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Being left handed or being gay is just as natural ...!

SidneyAllenJohnson
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@GrantMacDonald1 Even a child knows it is not natural for a square peg to go into a round hole.

GrantMacDonald1
GrantMacDonald1

@SidneyAllenJohnson @GrantMacDonald1 Gee dude; I am dealing with two round objects -- but utmostly one heart that loves another and a brain that can knows compassion ...!

GrantMacDonald1
GrantMacDonald1

@SidneyAllenJohnson @GrantMacDonald1 Your selfishness in love -- is ignorance beyond comprehension ... based on fictional religion.  It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return ... it is something that should be celebrated!   If it’s between two guys or two girls -- all the better.  It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!

SidneyAllenJohnson
SidneyAllenJohnson

@GrantMacDonald1 @SidneyAllenJohnson  Your concept of compassion is just as perverted as your concept of love. You practice neither. You simply drag your partner down violently with you...the same as the Devil. You are not as you have deceived yourself.

StephenMcDonald
StephenMcDonald

@SidneyAllenJohnson @GrantMacDonald1 Discrimination of any form is morally wrong... the days people like you discriminate against gays is over... now grow up.

SidneyAllenJohnson
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@StephenMcDonald @SidneyAllenJohnson @GrantMacDonald1 That is FOOLISHNESS. You are not a morally superior creature because of your silly allegiance to indiscriminent tolerance. DISCRIMINATION IS WHAT YOU DO...WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!!

You grow up. You are not noble and courageous nor are you standing up for justice. You are endorsing perversion and telling the rest of us it is good. You have proven there is a God by sinning exactly as he said you would...Isaiah 5:2o has you written all over it.

Now go learn what real truth and justice are...and DISCRIMINATE ACCORDINGLY!!!

GrantMacDonald1
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DOMA must be dismantled – giving the gay community dignity … with compassion and respect!

The same sex marriage issue is a cash machine for the extremist – religious lunatics.

The bible & torah should in fact be banned; which is at the core of corruption – or should we say voodoo politics -- which has no compassion for -- equality!

Christian colleges should be shut down ... forthwith and notwithstanding as a foundation of cultism!

Imehalika
Imehalika

@GrantMacDonald1 

This is indeed the last days. Godshall put in his appearance any day now. Men shall call right wrong and wrong right. God have mercy please help me to stand.

SidneyAllenJohnson
SidneyAllenJohnson

@GrantMacDonald1 I imagine much the same was said in Sodom. If those geniuses could tell you the truth...you wouldn't listen. We know, because you didn't. Who am I to prevent your suicide. I hope you enjoy the few days you get to live in your homosexual paradise.

GrantMacDonald1
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@SidneyAllenJohnson @GrantMacDonald1The Bible & Torah should be banned!

Here are several really loving excerpts from the Torah; the first five books of the Old Testament in the bible -- perhaps read to the congregation on Friday night at a synagogue or a Sunday morning church in the meadow.

1.Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own.  Deuteronomy 13:6-10

2.Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you.  Deuteronomy 13:12-16

3.Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own.  Deuteronomy 17:2-7.

Rabbinical / Priestly rules:

Leviticus 21:17-18 … “No one who is blind or lame or has a defect or any blemish may approach to offer the bread of his God.”

Leviticus 18:22… “You are not to go to bed with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination ….”

Rabbis; the pope and churches fully aware that Leviticus 18:22 applies to rabbis and priests … refuse to remove this stigma maliciously persecuting gays.  Kids are being bullied into suicide …! 

GrantMacDonald1
GrantMacDonald1

@SidneyAllenJohnson @GrantMacDonald1There is no scientific evidence to prove any of the cross related bogus elements of christianity and other religions. Our early human ancestors; on this earth … go back more than 6 million years … 5,996,000 years before the Greeks, Romans and the Jews.  Christianity is basically a 2013 year old fictional cult. In the year 300 AD when Emperor Constantine, who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate & market Christianity!

Christianity is a fantasy; which turned out to be one of the most hateful & evil concoctions ever perpetrated on the world.  

Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person and not chosen by God. 

SidneyAllenJohnson
SidneyAllenJohnson

@GrantMacDonald1 @SidneyAllenJohnson I see there is no hope for you. You have re-created the world in your own image. All homosexuality is good and all that is of God is evil. You have the mind of a child

 Go away and indulge yourself. You are perfect. We all should wish to be just like you. We waited six thousand years for you and your kind to come and correct us. We will be just like you

....does that make you feel better?

GrantMacDonald1
GrantMacDonald1

@SidneyAllenJohnson @GrantMacDonald1 In todays world they are called priests and they deliver more than treats ... get my drift.

Priestly Rules For Boys of the Cloth … … …?

Priests; prey … upon boys -- like a Sloth!

Leviticus 18:22  -- is about; Priestly Rules …!

Never meant -- to apply to Schools!

Religion is as dark … as the Night …!

While gays -- have to fight!

Gays have an equal right …

It’s the priests; we have to fight …!

What they do; when outta sight … … …!


Religion is nothing more than BogusHocusPocus!

Christianity is a two thousand and thirteen year old cult! Constantine’s insult!

Leviticus 18:22’s hatred applies to Priestly Rules!

Never meant to apply to schools!

It does nothing but manipulate us!

It’s only good for the brainless …

To believe in such an occult …!

Hatefulness is the final result ...!

Religion is BogusHocusPocus …

Just a big manipulative business!

The pope and preachers are heartless … such fiction like Judas … is total madness!

It ends up noxious …the preachers of such drivel are ruthless!

To abuse gays is shameless! Religion is based on ignorant rudeness!

Religion is baseless

Religion is monstrous!

Such fiction like Moses is larcenous …

Claimless & baseless!

BogusHocusPocus!

www.BogusHocusPocus.com


SidneyAllenJohnson
SidneyAllenJohnson

@GrantMacDonald1 @SidneyAllenJohnson  At least we understand. This has never been about equality or homosexuality. You hate God and religion and homosexuality is your chosen weapon against him. Military genius you are. It won't end well for you.

SidneyAllenJohnson
SidneyAllenJohnson

@GrantMacDonald1 @SidneyAllenJohnson St. Nicholas of Myra (270-346 AD). This Saint was known for his love of children and was particularly beloved by the Dutch, who called him Sinterklaas and believed that he delivered treats to children on a special night every December. 

Sorry...there was such a man.

GrantMacDonald1
GrantMacDonald1

@SidneyAllenJohnson @GrantMacDonald1My father fought at the front on D-Day in Normandy… through the Battle of the Scheldt to Germany and grand-father MacDonald was a Sgt. Major at Vimy. My Dad who was a catholic -- is alive today at 90 and doesn’t believe in santa-claus -- the easter bunny or any of that bogus cross related filth. Alan Turing broke the code for the enigima machine in World War II and was gay. He was persecuted after the war by the religious community and committed suicide. Prime Minister Brown apologized on behalf of the United Kingdom.

Bibles and the torah which includes Leviticus 18:22 and Deuteronomy 13:12-16-- should be immediately banned … for promoting violence; as well as hatred against minorities … namely the gay community and the crosses removed from all schools and churches.

SidneyAllenJohnson
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@GrantMacDonald1 @SidneyAllenJohnson  When you can create your own universe and planets...and then populate them with life you can make all the rules you want for that life. God has the right to do what he wants with and to HIS creation. YOU have NO say in the matter. But keep criticizing him and telling him he is wrong.

Homosexuals are bullying anyone who opposes them. Keep bullying Jehovah and his people...you will get what you are entitled to...and it won't be equality. But do enjoy your last days as a homosexual if you must...or repent and live forever. You are a fool to trade so much for so little. Is your hatred so great?

GrantMacDonald1
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@SidneyAllenJohnson @GrantMacDonald1It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return ... it is something that should be celebrated!   If it’s between two guys or two girls -- all the better.  It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!

idknonsense
idknonsense

@SidneyAllenJohnson @GrantMacDonald1 I am not quite sure that I follow your argument.  You claim that it is selfish for the gay community to desire marriage equality because it "demands the rest of us pervert our morality for [their] evil concept of love," yet you do not believe yourself and your fanatical religious comrades to be selfish in insisting upon the denial of marriage equality to the gay community?  That's somewhat contradicting, is it not?  Indeed, it is because you and your religious-extremist peers demand that those of us who are not included in the gay community, but do support, or are indifferent to, marriage equality - which, by the way, is the majority of Americans - pervert our own sense morality for your evil concept of humanity.  It is selfish of you to exclude gay couples from marriage and hoard it for yourself simply because you do not understand homosexuality and you fear homosexuals themselves.

Moreover, I do not understand your rationale behind and desire for engaging in the suppressive behavior that is the deprival of marriage equality for the gay community.  Apart from your illogical sense of fear, I cannot fathom any reason for you to embody and promote such antiquated ideals of humanity to which you unfoundedly, uncritically, and ignorantly adhere.  In all honesty, I would be much obliged if you could impart to me just one well-founded claim of harm or injury that you and/or your radical religious counterparts would incur in the presence of legalized gay marriage.  And if you can identify more than one, then, by all means, let them be known.

And besides not understanding that homosexuality is a matter of one's genetic makeup, you also seem to not have a firm grasp on the Bible and Christianity.  While I chose to remove myself from the cultural baggage that religion carries with it (you are my case and point), I do have enough an understanding to know that you are supposed to love your neighbor.  Homosexuality affects you in absolutely no way, which is why it boggles my mind that people, such as yourself, hate the gay community.

GrantMacDonald1
GrantMacDonald1

@SidneyAllenJohnson @GrantMacDonald1 Sidney: Guys who have gotten married in a heterosexual relationship are sometimes bi-sexual and are jealous of gay guys who have the freedom to love another guy … and can hold that guy close and tell him that he loves him!  You sound like you are a frustrated str8/bi guy with kids and a wife and are actually wishing you were still single! Bite your tongue and live your life and respect others!

GrantMacDonald1
GrantMacDonald1

@SidneyAllenJohnson @GrantMacDonald1 Believe in your fictional bible based filth!


The Bible & Torah should be banned!

Here are several really loving excerpts from the Torah; the first five books of the Old Testament in the bible -- perhaps read to the congregation on Friday night at a synagogue or a Sunday morning church in the meadow.

1.Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own.  Deuteronomy 13:6-10

2.Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you.  Deuteronomy 13:12-16

3.Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own.  Deuteronomy 17:2-7.

Rabbinical / Priestly rules:

Leviticus 21:17-18 … “No one who is blind or lame or has a defect or any blemish may approach to offer the bread of his God.”

Leviticus 18:22… “You are not to go to bed with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination ….”

Rabbis; the pope and churches fully aware that Leviticus 18:22 applies to rabbis and priests … refuse to remove this stigma maliciously persecuting gays.  Kids are being bullied into suicide …!

SidneyAllenJohnson
SidneyAllenJohnson

@GrantMacDonald1 @SidneyAllenJohnson  Sex between men is an act of violence towards the body. Their can be no love in taking your pleasure at the expense of another. You love yourself and you worship yourself. And you are absorbed with getting everyone else to worship you and your filth. There is no love in any of your statements. only self-absorption. Maybe some people will fall for your act, but I won't. I pity you. you are weak...like a scared cat hissing in a corner. Yet you make your own bed. There is a way out of it if you can humble yourself...

SidneyAllenJohnson
SidneyAllenJohnson

@GrantMacDonald1 @SidneyAllenJohnson it may amuse you to know that historically love has had very little to do with marriages. It is the least likely reason for a relationship to be a success. There is nothing courageous about your stand for homosexual marriage. It is pure unadulterated selfishness. Do not put yourself on a noble pedestal. 3% of the population demands the rest of us pervert our morality for your evil concept of love? Selfish, Selfish and more selfish.

GrantMacDonald1
GrantMacDonald1

@SidneyAllenJohnson @GrantMacDonald1

It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people; such a wicked fantasy. 

I am the son of a catholic father who never went to church and a protestant mother who took us to church and Sunday school. Onward christian soldiers; I think not. It’s such absolute drivel. To be manipulated by a santa claus; an easter bunny and worst of all a bogus cross?

It’s now time to shut down the synagogues and churches with the torah & bibles with Leviticus 18:22  and Deuteronomy 13:12-16. To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and peoples’ lives -- is shameful.

Many theologians state quite correctly that the birth; crucifixion; resurrection and other elements of christianity actually didn’t even happen!  Churches are committing hate crimes and more succinctly a violent criminal offence against a federally protected minority namely the gay community. It is actually a bigger moment in history … gays standing up for equality ... the realization that there is something far more evil at work -- hateful religion which should be discharged from society – period.

Religion and the churches should now be exposed as a bigoted structure that gets away with hate mongering.It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items; torahs – old testament/new testament bibles have been getting away with corruption and cultism based on bogus hocus pocus.

There is no scientific evidence to prove any of the cross related bogus elements of christianity and other religions. Our early human ancestors; on this earth … go back more than 6 million years … 5,996,000 years before the Greeks, Romans and the Jews.  Christianity is basically a 2013 year old fictional cult. In the year 300 AD when Emperor Constantine, who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate & market Christianity!

Christianity is a fantasy; which turned out to be one of the most hateful & evil concoctions ever perpetrated on the world.  

Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person and not chosen by God.

Today’s evangelical extremists are like the nazis who cast others into ovens & are actually supremacists - who practice their bogus hocus pocus - and are trying to suppress and deprive others of their happiness and their legal rights in an open and proud society. 

SidneyAllenJohnson
SidneyAllenJohnson

@GrantMacDonald1 @SidneyAllenJohnson Bigotry is not a magic word. You do not get to win a point by calling someone a bigot. You demand an entire society accept you. That is selfishness. When rejected you call it bigotry to mask your own character flaws. You serve evil and you protect evil and you preach evil. If telling you that is racism and bigotry in your re-defined world then I propose to be the best racist and bigot you ever meet. Truth will win out. It can win out the way of Cavalry or it can win out the way of Sodom...you get to make the choice.

GrantMacDonald1
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@SidneyAllenJohnson @GrantMacDonald1Tony Perkins and his The Family Research Council's opposition to gay rights have landed the outfit onto a list of "hate groups,” like the KKK.Christian colleges should be classified as hate groups and shut down.  UK Prime Minister Cameron is facing the issue of religious extremism; as we speak … regarding homophobia -- being taught to children at churches and schools.

The irony might be -- that the bogus hogus pogus … homophobic religious hate-speech might bring the bible and torah into a banned status and the churches and synagogues shut down!

One should appreciate each day of life and not expect another.

By enjoying their tax exempt status and benefits from the state it also puts churches at the mercy of the state; to be forced to adhere to the human rights laws. Religion is thriving like a cancerous growth on society that should be stopped in its tracks; outlawed & banned.

This holier than thou – written so there it shall be -- fallacy; should be stopped! It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items … the bible and torah have been getting away with this for ages.

This bogus religious filth should be banned.  It exists as a tax exempt structure which discriminates against human rights.  The pope, bishops; rabbis  and mormons are cult members promoting discrimination against minorities. Perhaps religious establishments have pushed too far from San Francisco to Canada -- and it may backfire to such a degree that the churches should be shut down!

Tell them to take that cross and shove it where the sun don't shine and pay their taxes along the way before they take that cross down forever with its final station; extinction.

The Vatican basically supported Hitler and religion is responsible for more corruption and violence in the world.Pope Ratzinger was involved in the Nazi youth.  The Pope with his blatant witchcraft related to the bible and its hateful beliefs; tries to rule with extreme prejudice against a world … that may fall victim to religions' absolute evil. 

SidneyAllenJohnson
SidneyAllenJohnson

@GrantMacDonald1 @SidneyAllenJohnson So you hate Christianity and Christians. Aren't you special. You have discovered the truth and everyone else should bow down to your understanding. If you were happy you would not be demanding the adoration of others. Obviously your homosexual love was not enough.