Gun Owners Trust the NRA but Agree with Obama

Gun-toting Americans are not aware that they are closer to Barack Obama than the NRA on the gun control debate.

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Gun shop owner Brooke Misantone (R) shows his last two AR-15 style rifles to a group of customers as gun enthusiasts start to crowd into the Bullet Hole gun shop in Sarasota, Florida January 16, 2013.

A new poll released today by Quinnipiac University shows that 52% of Americans support stricter gun control laws, an expected outcome after the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting sparked a nationwide discussion on gun safety. As for the particulars, 56% support a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons, 56% support a nationwide ban on the sale of high-capacity ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 bullets, and 92% support requiring background checks for all gun buyers. All of this bodes well for the Obama Administration.

Dig deeper into the data, however, and an odd picture emerges: gun-toting Americans are not aware that they are closer to Barack Obama than the NRA on the gun control debate. In American gun households, 52% support a ban on assault weapons and 91% support background checks for all gun buyers.  A sizable minority, 45%, also support a ban on the sale of high capacity magazines. All of these positions NRA chief Wayne LaPierre has rebuffed in the gun control debate over the past month, yet 62% of Americans in these gun households believe that the NRA better reflects their views on guns than President Obama.

If the Quinnipiac poll is accurate, Obama has not won the public debate. The majority of gun owners may agree with the President on what needs to be done, but they don’t know it, choose not to trust him, or believe that he will take their guns away. Like a side mirror, gun owners should read the fine print: Obama’s views are closer than they appear.

Click here to see TIME‘s January gun control poll.

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110 comments
jamesdagreatest
jamesdagreatest

BOOOOO I want to legalize more guns I want every American to own and know how to use a gun including a machine gun. Why to protect ourselves from the invasion of illegal immigrants and tyrant leaders that want to dictate our lives!

fcs251
fcs251

The American citizens that appear to agree with Obama simply don't know enough to have a valid opinion.Obama doesn't believe any American has the right to own any type of weapon.This he stated while a Senator from Illinois.If Obama had his way he would abolish the second amendment completely and send the police and National Guard into cities to find all gun owners and either take their weapons peacefully or imprison them.

DonCanlas
DonCanlas

"yet 62% of Americans in these gun households believe that the NRA better reflects their views on guns than President Obama."- Gun owners are motivated voters.  We won't forget who voted to take our guns away. We will vote against you when election time comes and vote you out of office. The NRA is the most powerful Super Pac that will spend the money we members provide them to vote you out of office. The NRA has out best interest. We trust the NRA to uphold the 2nd amendment.

anzablazer
anzablazer

And one more thing I am sick and tire of you Communistic Liberal. riding slip shod over us American.And there's going to come a reckoning. Just keep pushing peoples buttons. And your going to see the real American rise up and slap you down.

BrianMartin
BrianMartin

This article is garbage designed to sway the undecided . ANY measure designed to RESTRAIN law abiding citizens is not in any way going to sway a criminal . And how about those gun free zones ? WHOOO , they sure are working aren’t they .

fhmadvocat
fhmadvocat

First of all, why would it surprise people about these poll numbers.  Of course, most people would support background checks as this is designed to keep criminals from buying guns so the 92% figure shouldn't shock people.  As for the ban on assault rifles, considering that most gun owners own handguns or rifles and only a very small percentage of actual gun owners own automatics or semi-automatics, the numbers seem reasonable.

The ironic thing is for the first 100 years of its existance, the NRA was a pro-gun control (not gun-banning) organization.  The problem is that it was taken over by those who believe The Turner Diaries nonsense of the government take over.  Please, your automatic is not going to stop the federal government when it has helicopters, drones, tanks, etc.

As a far as the government taking away your guns, machine guns were outlawed in 1933, does anyone feel deprived of their 2nd amendment rights because you can't own a machine gun?  As for the Obama administration, most gun-control groups give his administration a rating of "F" and now if you are allowed to wear a concealed weapon in your state, you are allowed to wear one in federal national parks.  So the Obama administation has EXPANDED gun rights in last 4 years. 

BrendanG.
BrendanG.

They must have put out a notice for all the double-digit IQ gun owners, if they didn't fudge the numbers on this poll (and we know they did.) As any gun owner with an IQ over 90 knows by now... if King Zero gets his "assault weapon" ban, the gun banners NEXT target will be that nice bolt-action, walnut stocked scoped "sniper rifle" they use for deer hunting. After all, all you need is a shotgun to hunt deer and defend your house!

And once they get the "sniper rifles" banned they'll come up with statistics saying that baseball bats are more effective for home that defense than shotguns, and that lead traces in game meat cause cancer so you shoud eat supermarket meat instead. (I wonder how many gun owners will be agreeing with THOSE polls?)

anzablazer
anzablazer

Background checks infringe on my right to own a weapon.The Government can denie anyone the right to own a weapon. Maybe even you. Over time the Government will make sure that only the people who they want to have Guns will have them. But know body else. That how dictator Government take over.That is what are Government is becoming.

SteveHarper
SteveHarper

trust nothing that involves that POS ovomit

GrayLiddell
GrayLiddell

Here are three anti gun control links.

The organization Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership has a very interesting chart with the historical genocides listed alongside the accompanying gun control law that was supposed to keep everyone safe.It is titled “Death by gun control”

http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm

Can our government be guaranteed to be benign for all time? I do not think so. Governments change a lot. If you think about it, the US is one of the oldest governments in the world. China, Japan, Germany, India all very different since the 1700s. The point is you never know when your government is going to turn lethal on you so you should be in a position to make it very expensive for any evil lethal government to exert its ways.

This law review, “Of Holocausts and Gun Control,75 Wash.U.L.Q. 1237(online)" raises some interesting points such as this:

"but it is nevertheless an arresting reality that not one of the principal genocides of the twentieth century, and there have been dozens, has been inflicted on a population that was armed."

http://lawreview.wustl.edu/inprint/75-3/753-4.html

What most gun control advocates want is a government controlled monopoly on lethal violence. Then the dangerous assumption they are positing is that the government, although it changes hands every four or two or six years will always be benign. Remember, the pendulum swings and the government you like today can be the tyrant who hates you, and your kind, tomorrow. Ask the Jewish people of WW2 Europe or the Armenians in Turkey or how about the Cambodians of the seventies if they thought their governing apparatus was going to turn on them lethally?

Do you want that tyrant to have a monopoly on lethal violence?

That is the very point of military style weapons in the hands of many many civilians, there will be no Holocaust of a disarmed minority if there is no monopoly. You want at least a duopoly on the use of lethal violence and yes, it is messy but there is no Utopia, and never will be. I think Samuel Butler called it Erewhon or Nowhere.

Also R.J. Rummel wrote a book, online called" Death by government" where heenumerates the 170 million deaths by government(he calls it Democide) in the 20th Century.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

MichaelLowe
MichaelLowe

they can twist the numbers to appear any way all they want it dont matter, its not debatable. ITS THE CONSTITUTION ! Oh and another thing if you think its ok to bend or shred the constitution just remember this fact, without it THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT!!!

rohlandc
rohlandc

From January 30 - February 4, 2013 Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,772 registered

voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.3 percentage points.


That hardly qualifies as most americans. What a fricking joke.

StandUp4YourRights
StandUp4YourRights

I keep hearing how we support it, I don't and most gun owners I know don't.  I support no ban on any weapons or magazine.  I do not support any gun registry.  I do not support having to take out insurance to own a gun.  

MichaelLowe
MichaelLowe

52% really hmm lets see... 52% of the agenda driven mainstream media or 52% of obama and fiensteins croanies?

WayneCummins
WayneCummins

And 52% of Americans are also morons.  

“Shall not be infringed”

Infringe

1. vt disobey or disregard something: to fail to obey a law or regulation or observe the terms of an agreement

2. vti encroach on somebody's rights or property: to take over land, rights, privileges, or activities that belong to somebody else, especially in a minor or gradual way infringing on our personal freedom

BadBranchCharlie
BadBranchCharlie

@anzablazer: 1) You can stick you g-d "commie" BS right where the sun don't shine, and 2) any time you fake-@zzed "real Americans" are ready to "rise up and slap" somebody down, you just get started.  Two can play that game.  I'm a gun owner myself, and I'm sick of you psychotic wannabe traitors playing right into the "gun owners are all lunatics" image.  If anybody ever DOES try to "take our guns", it'll be because IDIOTS LIKE YOU brought it on yourselves.

DonCanlas
DonCanlas

@fhmadvocat Machine guns are not outlawed. Get your facts straight. You need a class 3 liscense. The only reason most people don't have one is the cost to own one of these guns. It's in the 10's of thousands.  Also, the majority of guns owned are semi automatic. Hardly anyone is going to buy a muskete. You obviously don't own a gun and have never fired one. Your part of the problem.

gmaki53
gmaki53

@fhmadvocat 

"your automatic is not going to stop the federal government when it has helicopters, drones, tanks, etc".  I assume you meant "semi-automatics".

Didn't the U.S military essentially lose the Vietnam War(conflict)?  The US took a beating and retreated without declaring victory.  We had superior jets, helicopters, tanks, bombs, rocket launchers, machined guns, training etc, etc. and were fighting an enemy that was in many ways a militia....a bunch of poor farmers with black pajamas and AK-47s.  I know there is more to it than this simply comparison, but the point is, don't under estimate the capacity of armed citizens.

cvb1325
cvb1325

@fhmadvocat 

Fhmadvocat:  However reasonable background checks are; it is rare for 92% of Americans to agree on anything.  Only 87% of Americans on believe our President of the past 5 years is a U.S. Citizen! (http://www.gallup.com/poll/147530/obama-birth-certificate-convinces-not-skeptics.aspx )  That is why a poll saying 92% is surprising.

Also, I think you may have mistyped; almost every gun has a semi-automatic rifle and/or pistol.  Automatic weapons are very few and far between, but semi-autos are as common as it gets.
 

jp
jp

@BrendanG. Ok,  so you really can't live without your guns,  eh?  

Yup,  you would rather go full rambo than call the police.

Ohiolib
Ohiolib

@MichaelLowe Yeah, there's no way around it: the constitution explicitly states that there shall be regulation of said militia. 

shepherdwong
shepherdwong

@WayneCummins "And 52% of Americans are also morons."

And, it appears, 48% of them are too stupid to form well-regulated militias.

jp
jp

@gmaki53 So you want to take on the might of the US Armed forces with your pop guns.   Cool!.  i would love to see that.  Just say when and the tub of popcorn's on me!

Geez!  So, not having your semi automtic really is that emasculating,  eh?

anzablazer
anzablazer

@Ohiolib @anzablazer You see that the trouble with you liberals you say your not racist. But you like to group everybody together. Like for instance now all Gun owners are criminal now. You spread hate. The same with Catholics their all pederasty. You liberal aren't fooling anybody but yourselves.

jp
jp

@Ohiolib @MichaelLowe Unfortunately,  the gun owners don't want to be regulated.

They want to be as free as birds to have guns,  no matter what.  

The bigger issue is why they need the guns.   Is it for sport?  Yeah right!.  Is it for Self defense? Maybe,  but this is also questionable.  Is it to over throw or protect oneself from a tyrannical government?  What a joke!

It's  just their version of big gigantic SUVs.  Their guns make them more manly.

BTW,  I haven't seen a person walk around and attack someone after being shot in the head with a small pistol.  I don't think one would even survive after getting shot in the head with a 357 magnum.  

Just learn to aim people!  The semi automatics are not good for self defense,  of course unless there are a lot of zombies banging on your door.  

Oh yeah,  the gun advocates are fantasizing about that one, too!


RichardNascak
RichardNascak

@Ohiolib @MichaelLowe First, there is no militia service requirement. Second, "well-regulated" meant well-functioning or well-trained at the time of the founders. Please try again.

StandUp4YourRights
StandUp4YourRights

@shepherdwong @WayneCummins So, are these supposed to be funny.  You may want to work on your skill.  Well regulated for that time meant good working order and militia was we the people.  So what you just said was actually quite stupid.  Nice try though.

gmaki53
gmaki53

@jp @gmaki53 

I never said anything about wanting to rise up against the US military.  The original post implied that a person with only a semi-automatic rifle would be no challenge for the might of our military.  I only offered an example that countered that view.   Here are a couple rhetorical questions to ponder.  If small arms, such as semi-auto rifles with high capacity magazines, are so insignificant, then why all the hype about them being "assault weapons...high powered military weapons...weapons of war...etc,, etc.??   Are they "pop guns" or "military grade weapons"?  Why did Afghanistan and Iraq take so long....was it due to their superior military?

cvb1325
cvb1325

@jp@gmaki53 

jp: I’m pretty sure gmaki53 was just refuting the position that small arms are ineffective against a modern military.

I didn’t read anything about wanting to try it.

Also, your “emasculation” remark was entirely unnecessary.

DavidLakatos
DavidLakatos

@jp @anzablazer OH!  If I was so easily dismissed by the  like's of you. I would truly be ignorant. But I am not alone in my thinking . So when you throw out  insults at me. You really show your ignorance.

jp
jp

@anzablazer 

Thanks for confirming your fragile mental state.  Acceptance of the truth is always the hardest  step to take.

anzablazer
anzablazer

Boy you really do  live in a fantasy world . You better look around yourself . You live

in a dog e dog world.  People will stab you in the back the first chance they get if it

will benefit them.  And being paranoid is just a heighten state of awareness. Which I

think allot of American need. So they will wake up to reality.

jp
jp

@anzablazer
 

You know what?  It's so much worse to live with paranoid people who think that everyone is out to get them.  Evidence has shown that people swimming in their paranoia end up hurting other people  who want to live peaceful and fruitful lives.

Think about it,  you want to sow peace with tools that were made for the opposite purpose? 

anzablazer
anzablazer

@jp @anzablazer @cvb1325 You no what. The only thing I'm afraid is people like you taking over in America. Trying to project a illusion  to the American people they are living in safety.Which History writes is never the case.

jp
jp

@anzablazer @cvb1325 

You know that's not true.  If you don't  then  let me enlighten you .

Having laws that will enforce background checks  will HELP TO MINIMIZE the proliferation of guns out in the wild.  The guns out in the wild are those that end up hurting people and are not just used for "SELF DEFENSE"     

Unless, of course,  you are afraid you won't pass the background checks.  If that's the case,  then i guess you have bigger problems.   

anzablazer
anzablazer

@cvb1325 We already have laws for criminals.If they don't work.  Making more won't make any difference.

cvb1325
cvb1325

@anzablazer@Ohiolib 

anzablazer:I think Ohiolib was just saying that background checks will only infringe on your ability to own a weapon if you are a criminal; not that all gun owners are criminal…

 

VietVet
VietVet

@jp @RichardNascak @shepherdwong @StandUp4YourRights already had background checked.got my chl,what about you?

StandUp4YourRights
StandUp4YourRights

@jp @RichardNascak @shepherdwong @StandUp4YourRights I am for background checks.  I do them now, I also do gun training, and safety classes.  I carry legally every day and have for about 10 years. I take guns very serious, as do most gun owners.  It is a lot of responsibility.   You don't get into arguments when you carry, you don't have road rage when you carry. You don't put yourself into situations and you watch your surroundings when you carry.  I am all about being legal, safe, and any little incident can take those rights away from me.  So I, along with most people I know are very serious about it.  Most people forget I even carry daily because I don't draw attention to it.   

cvb1325
cvb1325

@shepherdwong@StandUp4YourRights 

I can’t tell, are you a troll or a passionate gun control supporter?

If you are just passionate about your gun control beliefs; you should probably know that your vitriolic personal attacks play right into the liberal stereotypes Limbaugh, Beck, and Coulter put forward as strawmen.  I can’t imagine that’s helping you win any converts…

Just an observation.  Good luck either way.
 

shepherdwong
shepherdwong

@StandUp4YourRights "The adults are talking here."

Don't flatter yourself, Sonny. Your gun fetish and anti-social mindset practically scream arrested development (and probably a sense of, shall we say, male inadequacy). That's all assuming that you're not just some smart-ass little twerp, pretending to be a man.

RichardNascak
RichardNascak

@shepherdwong @StandUp4YourRights "You're right about one thing though: you can't fix stupid."

Since the Supreme Court threw out the militia argument five years ago, it appears you are the one who's stupid.

StandUp4YourRights
StandUp4YourRights

@shepherdwong @StandUp4YourRightsMost gun owners are not gun nuts.  I have way more hobbies then guns. I love apple products, love tech in general, home theater, RC Helicopters.  I work in the building automation field. 

Actually, our government during that time wanted us to have current arms that was a match for other countries for war.  If you think about it, the AR-15 would be today's musket.  You do want to keep your guns well oiled, so they are in good working order or as they used to say well regulated.  A gun with out ammunition is worthless.   Your right I can only shoot one gun at a time.  Guns are tools and like any job, there is a correct tool for each task.  By your logic, cops would only need pistols or shotguns or AR-15 (That are true assault rifles because they are full auto and ours are not) but not all three.   But why would they need all those different weapons?  Do they have more hands then me? Or do they realize that like most normal people that every situation can call for something different.

Yes most militaries  does have "tanks n stuff"! Good job!  Our military has "tanks n stuff" too. I know your  implying our military, and if it ever came to that, which I hope it never would but not everyone in our military would shoot on its own people.  And guess who access to said equipment?  

I find that your thoughts don't have much depth.  The fact that you cannot fix stupid is obvious here with you.  But keep trying SumtingWong.  Something is bound to click with you some day.



shepherdwong
shepherdwong

@StandUp4YourRights  Yes, of course. When The Framers wrote "[a] well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,' they naturally meant a bunch of gun-nuts spending themselves silly, stockpiling well-oiled Bushmasters and ammunition in their basements (while not being quite bright enough to realize that you can only shoot one gun at a time and the government has, you know, tanks and stuff). You're right about one thing though: you can't fix stupid.