Rush Limbaugh and Barack Obama (In That Order) Weigh In On Immigration

Two big things happened Tuesday with regards to immigration reform: President Barack Obama announced his plans, and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio called into Rush Limbaugh's radio program. The second event mattered more.

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President Barack Obama greets members of the audience after delivering remarks on immigration reform at Del Sol High School in Las Vegas, Jan. 29, 2013.

Two big things happened Tuesday with regards to immigration reform: President Barack Obama announced his plans at a Las Vegas high school, and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio called into Rush Limbaugh’s radio program. The second event mattered more.

Obama’s own proposal has been years in the making. After breaking his promise to push comprehensive immigration reform in his first term, he made a push in his second term a central theme of his campaign. His proposal, in the form of broad principles, is exactly what has long been expected: further strengthen borders, increase workplace enforcement, create a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, and increase routes of legal immigration. It differs from the outlines of the Senate proposal only in some details, like by offering same-sex couples the same rights to visas as heterosexual couples, and in not defining a set of enforcement triggers that would allow the path to citizenship to move forward. But Obama did make clear that his happiness over the bipartisan Senate process would not keep him from the spotlight. “Action must follow,” he said. “If congress is unable to move forward in a timely fashion, I will send up a bill of my own proposal and insist that they vote on it right away.”

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The real action was on Limbaugh’s program. In the constellation of conservative radio talkers, Limbaugh has never been the most hawkish immigration reform opponent. He has mostly avoided the cultural demagoguery of hosts like Michael Savage, preferring to talk about the issue as an economic one, and a one of fairness for American workers. Nonetheless, Limbaugh was a vocal and influential opponent during the last Senate effort to pass a reform bill in 2007. If that opposition returns, with a Republican controlled House, the chances for the bill becoming law would be in serious question.  But in recent days, Limbaugh has been charting a delicate course, both expressing skepticism for the emerging plan, and embracing the bipartisan proposal.

“The president is out there saying, ‘I’m not gonna have any border security,’ ” Limbaugh said Tuesday. ” I mean, Obama’s gonna go to Vegas and make a speech and oppose the Senate bill’s border enforcement requirements.  Does that tell you that he’s interested in any kind of a deal, in any kind of a compromise?  It doesn’t say that to me.” Of course, none of this was accurate. But it was an important shift. Limbaugh, often a bellwether of conservative populist sentiment, placed himself on the side of a comprehensive bill that included a path to citizenship.

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Radio show host Limbaugh speaks at a forum hosted by the Heritage Foundation in Washington

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That opens a clear route for compromise. That sense was confirmed by Limbaugh’s treatment of Rubio, an author of the bipartisan Senate plan. “What you are doing is admirable and noteworthy,” Limbaugh told Rubio. “You are recognizing reality. You’re trumpeting it, you’re shouting it.” And then the radio talk show host went on to continue his attack on Obama, as a duplicitous all-or-nothing politician who cares more about Democrats winning future elections than solving the immigration problem.

Comprehensive immigration reform is by no means a sure thing this year. The details–over enforcement triggers, esoteric provisions of how ObamaCare impacts immigrants, and rights for same sex partners–could still prevent a deal from being reached. But the broad outlines are now commonly understood, and standard bearers of opposition just five years ago are now on board. “The differences are dwindling,” Obama said in the high school in Las Vegas. “A broad consensus is emerging.” He was exaggerating only slightly.

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313 comments
MikeBushman
MikeBushman

The bipartisan agreement did something unusual - starting with principles as the basis of policy. Whether the actual language follows through on the principles remains to be seen, but the relevant principles are: 1) all men and women are created equal, 2) those who break the law should not have a better chance of succeeding than those who follow it; 3) we need hard-working, tax-paying immigrants to grow our nation and meet our social commitments, 4) an integrating nation that speaks a common language (while also promoting multi-lingual education) has a better chance of avoiding conflict over the centuries than a segregated nation, and 5) America can only guarantee principle #1 for citizens and legal immigrants. The outline document appears to address these principles, but the real issue is can we trust successive administrations and congresses to follow through on border security. History suggests this is a stretch. Read the book "Melting Point 2040" if you are interested in a story of what the future looks like if we stay on our current path.

PapaFoote
PapaFoote

"Soft Wind, Filling The Sails"

"..The president was right when he said this is the defining moment for the middle class, and for those who aspire to join it. But it will take bold citizen mobilization to challenge the current limits of the debate. This is the test of democracy..."

It is time to start-up the "People Power" - that's the "Key" to reaching the "Stars"!

Can the rising progressive tide lift all ships?

There seems to be a "Soft Wind, Filling The Sails" for "Progressive Thinking Voters" - that's GOOD for "My Thinking"!

The Old Mountain Goat

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/01/30/rush-limbaugh-and-barack-obama-in-that-order-weigh-in-on-immigration/#ixzz2JVIzP77l

fitty_three
fitty_three

Looks like paulejb has set a new record for dislikeability:

0.078 "likes"/comment.  That's less than 1 "like" in 12 posts!

24AheadDotCom
24AheadDotCom

Michael Scherer is such a hack. He writes "increase workplace enforcement" above, as if Obama would actually do that. There have been very few (if any) workplace raids during Obama's terms. They've conducted "paper raids", but after doing that *they let the illegal aliens go*. In some cases, they even gave illegal aliens caught in those raids work permits.

One would have to be the biggest fool in the world to think that Obama would "increase workplace enforcement" given everything he's done so far. Yet, here we have Michael Scherer trying to retail that obviously false claim. What sort of fool does he think you are?

Get the facts on the immigration issue: http://24ahead.com/


Forums4Justice
Forums4Justice

FIRST... There are currently 8 million illegal immigrants working in, non-agriculture, on-the-books, American jobs, by using false, or stolen, SS numbers. Only 7% of employers are presently using E-Verify. ...Mandate, and ENFORCE, E-Verify, for ALL jobs, for ALL employees, and for any entitlement. DHS receives continuing employer/employee SS number mismatch lists from the SSA. The SSA also sends out millions of mismatch letters to employers, but due to the lack of any real enforcement, by DHS, in this area, these notices are largely ignored. Make the SSA employer/employee mismatch list available to the public, and allow the public to address the problem.

Forums4Justice
Forums4Justice

The 1986 Reagan Amnesty was projected to provide citizenship to between, 1.1, and 1.3, million illegal aliens.....

3.4 million illegal aliens received citizenship

What makes anyone think the ratio will be any different this time around? 

the fools in Congress?

IF, we, the people, choose to help illegal immigrants, we will do so in their own countries, not in ours

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

Paul I wonder if you appreciate the consequences of who you are and what you do.  I wonder if you appreciate that if it wasn't for crackpots like you dragging your party so far to the right, Mitt Romney may well have won the election against Obama by being the moderate Mitt Romney that we knew from years before.  You throw out these buzz words like Nazi, Communist or neo-Marxist left and right all while lacing each of your posts with venomous insults, and yet I don't think you understand just how it makes rational people perceive you when you do so with no understanding of what these words actually mean.  People will look back at the tenure of Obama's Presidency and they'll probably appreciate both the work he did and the people like you that he fought against.  That's your party's real legacy, you know, as hateful obstructionists whose only message is one of individuality and narcissism over unity and selflessness.  Everyday I see you post this nonsense here and as I observe how you're getting worse and worse it brings a smile to my face, because I know you're a reflection of the far right fringe of the GOP's base.  I understand that your party is going to go further and further out into the woods and away from moderate Americans and you'll lose by larger and larger margins in each election.  Your party's only real hope is to dump lunatics like you but at this point your lot has become such a loud, obnoxious rabble that they can't.  

Basically what I'm trying to say is; thank you for being you Paul.  We all may argue with you but we do encourage the work you do for the sake of the Democrats.  Please, continue to lie awake at night gnashing your teeth at the Socialist boogey men that aren't there and never will be - just make sure you're very vocal about it to anyone that will listen.

Forums4Justice
Forums4Justice


In anticipation of amnesty, border crossers, in the Rio Grande Valley, are increasing at an alarming rate.

Rio Grande Valley Border Patrol Sector Monthly Apprehensions Of Illegals--- 316 miles
----------OCT---NOV---DEC---JAN---FEB---MAR---APR---MAY---JUN---JUL---AUG---SEP 
FY2013---**----**-----**
FY2012--6203--5513--4285--5514--6707--9622-11161-11583-10108--9023--**-----**
FY2011--3630--3624--3349--3485--4232--6810--6508--5954--5410--5277--5973--5004

**NOTE: apprehension numbers for the last five months have not yet been provided by DHS/CBP, and they refuse to release further numbers until they, themselves,release their own FY2012 Border Report, which is already three months overdue.

KenDreger
KenDreger

So, after all these postings did we accomplish anything here? Or are we at a standstill also? Do we have any positive perspectives that where America should go on the issue of Illegal Immigration? There have been a lot of personel attacks here which I think just take away from the discussion.  But since I am new here I really don't know the "History" of the posters and how they get along with one another. It has been interesting, but I still don't have anything solid from the forum posters on how to resolve anything other than we still disagree on a whole lot of issues.

Respectfully,

paulejb
paulejb

Well, there you have it, folks. Every hive drone here has now descended to personal insults and ad hominems. My work is done for today. Have a good one, people!

Hollywooddeed
Hollywooddeed

Did paulejb say something?  My dog perked up her ears like she heard a screeching noise.

bryanfred1
bryanfred1

I have to admit Obama's cracking me up a bit on this one.  The Senate comes up with a bipartisan plan, then a few days later Obama jumps out with "Hey!  Over here!  I have a plan too, and if Congress refuses to act on its plan then I'll push mine for a vote!"  Never mind that Congress WAS the body that had already acted.  But I guess it did a good job of putting the spotlight back on him instead of a Republican-supported plan.

The AFL-CIO opposed the last plan, which was similar to this one.  Going to be interesting which way the administration goes...labor or immigrants.

reallife
reallife

 you're all "substance" - surprise surprise - another typical president kardashian voter   

aztecian
aztecian

@53_3 bj-paule is a white-rethug, faux news, bible thumping, redneck-racist who has his facts and reality spewing from his aholio!

Tero
Tero

@24AheadDotCom

"What sort of fool does he think you are?"

Don't presume to speak for me, or anyone else for that matter. You are on the loony fringe and do not represent the views of the vast majority of Americans.

reallife
reallife

@24AheadDotCom"What sort of fool does he think you are?"

obviously you have been out of the country for the last 4 years

grape_crush
grape_crush

Haven't seen you here in a looong time, Lonewacko. Figures that revisiting the immigration issue would bring you out from under your rock. Can't say you've been missed.

For those relative newcomers, Lonewacko/24Ahead/Chris Kelly is one of those insane fringe right-wingers who specializes in hatred of non-whites, anti-immigrant polemics, and Birtherism.

Don't expect a rational debate with him. The only difference between he and Paulie is that Lonewacko graciously went away for a while.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@Forums4Justice 

I just find it rather hilarious that Republicans who oppose new regulations and new rules being placed upon companies would favor mandatory use of E-Verify.

Tero
Tero

@DonQuixotic

Bravo! You hit the nail on the head. I have been trying to communicate this to him for some time. As an example let's look at this quote that paulie made today;

"Have you not noticed it's just me here fending off the swarm of you hive drones?"

It's like he actually thinks he is winning or making a positive impact for his side when he is actually doing the opposite. Now don't get me wrong, I don't want to help conservatives be more effective communicators, I simply don't want them to make themselves entirely irrelevant. In Canada, during the 90's we had a split in our conservative community which led to 3 straight majority governments for our Liberal party. This was good in many ways but any responsible government NEEDS an effective opposition. I hope the Republicans come back to earth some time soon and leave paulie and his ilk floating in space.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@DonQuixotic 

That's why he doesn't mind GOP cheating to stay in power and gain power. Because ultimately it's not about a fair system for all of us; it's a puritan puddle for him and his tribe. The rest of us are icky. And that's why he will never get why a majority Americans reject the current rightwing tilt and why paulejb demand more purity.

reallife
reallife

hmmm june 2012 - isnt that when they started advertising food stamps in mexico city?

another government service provided by: your kardashian administration   

wrathbrow
wrathbrow

@Forums4Justice  

An increase in the numbers caught does not mean there are more crossing. It may be those doing the catching are getting better at it. Or it may mean there are more that are crossing. The Rio Grande Valley Border Patrol has 40 percent more boots on the ground that before.

I think it is terrible that there are this many people trying to come in to a country (any country) in an unlawful way, and that continues to need to be addressed. At the same time the legal process has been horrible for a long time, and needs fixing too.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@Forums4Justice 

So the most recent number available is July 2012 which is still 5 months after the influx started in Feb/March 2012 9 months before the election.  So nearly a full year before anything could possibly have happened, Latinos had already read the tea leaves and said "yep, amnesty is coming.  Let's get across the border!"  Yes, that's the most logical way to read those numbers.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@KenDreger  

You're pretty far right, KD. You're not going to find a lot of agreement.  

On the other hand, the GOP has the potential to keep the bill from being abused because when a clear advantage is going to go to one party, the other won't budge.  Those things won't be in the bill if there's any chance of it passing.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@KenDreger

The conclusions on where America should go haven't changed in the last decade.  The Gang of 8 and Obama's frameworks aren't that different nor are they different from the one in 2005.  Democrats have had no reason to get off their position of "a path to citizenship" and the Republicans have been uninterested in permitting "amnesty" - and both have had the political backing by their constituents to maintain the stalemate for a while.  Debating the policy of it... there's not a lot of value unless you want to debate something like the philosophical elements of it, but aside from the trolls, there's been little appetite for actually looking at the philosophy.

The reality is that Democrats have had the luxury of being able to wait.  Maintaining the status quo, while not ideal, does not do that much harm to the illegal community and as the Latinos grow in share of the voting block, the D position just strengthens.  So they've spent the last decade really just waiting for the Republicans to become desperate enough to come to the D position.  The entire point of this the article is that it looks like that event is happening, that Republicans are moving to the D position.

As such, there's not much to debate on here.  We could debate the underlying philosophy if you really want, but it isn't very often that we find people willing to challenge the shared philosophy of most of the posters here.  We've had some debates about gun violence and unions lately but ... there's not a lot of debating unless we can find people who actually disagree on something while actually being able to be respectful about it.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@paulejb  

It was distinctly my pleasure that you've been insulted.

Please, DO NOT come again!

MrObvious
MrObvious

@paulejb

Well, there you have it, folks. Every hive drone here has now descended to personal insults and ad hominems. My work is done for today. Have a good one, people!

Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out. Hypocrites like you have no ground to stand on. Either debate like an adult or get what you spew in return. Agitators like you are dime a dozen and you're not even that good at trolling.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb The unemployment check came in and Paule, needs to run out and buy more things. He'll be back complaining about freeloaders later.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@paulejb 

Your first post here, and every following post, was laced with many insults.  You have no high ground.  You are quite possibly the biggest hypocrite on this board, and certainly the most juvenile one.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@Hollywooddeed 

He's just reminding us that he's here, he's a bigot, and he irrationally hates to his core everything that any Democrat has ever looked at, touched, or thought.  I can't imagine what it's like living with so much hatred day in, day out.

aztecian
aztecian

@bryanfred1 the afl-cio are bunch of spoiled fat rednecks...they afraid we'll put them out of business and we will. 

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo....

bryanfred1
bryanfred1

But I thought the spoiled fat rednecks were all Republicans...I'm so confused.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@DonQuixotic

If they're psychic or, as they'd need to be for this, time travelers, I want as many of them to come over as possible so they can share this knowledge with us.

aztecian
aztecian

@bryanfred1"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck"  in this case the duck is a fat redneck or meth-head bolting fenders on a gas guzzling cadillac.

paulejb
paulejb

@bryanfred1 ,

Aztec is confused. He believes that he is Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna and is re-fighting the Mexican-American war.