On Scene: Highlights from Inauguration Day

TIME’s political team is canvassing Washington, D.C. today, reporting on the Inauguration Day festivities. Follow our updates (and watch the speech live)

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TIME’s political team canvassed Washington, D.C. Tuesday, following the Inauguration Day festivities. Highlights below:

4:45 p.m. Obama’s 2008 election had a Cinderella quality to it. But the President may be enjoying his second inaugural more than the first. Why? It’s not just because he’ll never have to worry about winning another election. It’s because, this time, the world isn’t burning down around him. The U.S. economy was in free fall; the January 2009 jobs report was the worst in 34 years, showing 600,000 jobs shed. The American auto industry was spiraling towards failure. The fate of the entire world economy was very much an open question. And the world was a scarier place: If it wasn’t quite clear yet to Obama that Afghanistan was in more dire shape than he realized, requiring more troops than expected to achieve even minimal goals, it was soon to dawn on him. It remained to be seen whether Iraq could hold together. Osama bin Laden was still alive, and al Qaeda was arguably gaining strength in Pakistan’s tribal areas.

Four years later, the world is still a fragile and uncertain place. But the economy is slowly growing, not collapsing. The Afghanistan war is winding down and no American troops remain in Iraq. Bin Laden is dead and al Qaeda–recent events in northern Africa notwithstanding–is a diminished threat to the U.S. homeland. Plenty of big problems still loom, from Iran to the budget. And some unknown new crisis may lie just around the corner. But four years ago Obama must have felt like he was diving into the presidential waters wearing a suit of armor; his most urgent priority was simply not to drown. This time it should be much easier to actually swim. –Michael Crowley

4:30 p.m.  The subtext of Obama’s speech? “My critics are reactionary extremists!” writes Michael Grunwald, who argues a speech “billed as a homily to common ground” was an extension of Obama’s  attempt to divide and conquer Congressional Republicans. Read his take here.

4:26 p.m. Eva Longoria led the way in a cop car, followed by a fife and drum band, then a bayonet troupe (hail echoes of horses and bayonets!), not to mention dozens of police in triangle formations–America certainly puts the pomp in pomp and circumstance on Inauguration Day. Crowd enthusiasm remained high on Pennsylvania Avenue, even though temperatures started to drop and the President and Vice President left the Capitol luncheon nearly one hour behind schedule. But the long and cold wait soon was worth it, especially for onlookers along the middle of the route when president and Mrs Obama got out of the motorcade to walk and wave. And the president? His smile was huge. –Elizabeth Dias

3:29 p.m. After the ceremony, about 300 Washington VIPs filed into the Capitol’s Statuary Hall, where 35 stone-faced American icons–from Alexander Hamilton to Brigham Young–looked down on elaborate luncheon tables. The room was vibrant with oxblood tapestries, plush blue chairs and orange-rose centerpieces. As a string quartet played, legislators, Washington power players and former Presidents arrived to await the men of the hour. An announcer twice asked everyone to take their seats, which nearly no one did. He then introduced Vice President Biden–but the introduction was premature. On a second try, Biden appeared. President Obama soon followed.

As all finally sat, New York Sen. Charles Schumer, head of the congressional inaugural committee, introduced the all-American menu of New York wines, South Dakota bison and New England shellfish. After an invocation, the guests were invited to eat. As dessert was served, there were ritual presentations of mementos, gifts, photographs and toasts. Boehner, offering the official inaugural flags, said those present were there “to renew the appeal to better angels,” echoing Obama’s comments in his inauguration speech about overcoming differences. Schumer toasted Vice President Biden and his “unique” partnership with Obama, and then Biden toasted Schumer, saying that the inaugural lunch is his favorite milestone: “It’s always a new beginning every time we’re in this room.”

For a moment before the luncheon started, Obama was isolated at the head table, with no one to talk to. As the other guests gabbed away at their tables, Obama looked straight ahead, like he had minutes before when he paused on the Capitol steps to take in the scene on the National Mall. When he spoke at the end of the luncheon, Obama doubled down on the promises that Washington will transcend its divides and spoke about the “irony” of the presidential office. “The longer you’re there, the more humble you become,” he said, “and the more mindful you are that it is beyond your poor powers individually to move this great country.” –Katy Steinmetz

3:02 p.m. It’s hard to discern now how history will judge Barack Obama’s second inaugural address. But one aspect of the speech — Obama’s forceful call for equal rights for gays — is certain to be remembered, because it made history. “Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law, for if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well,” Obama said. It was the first time that a President invoked the rights of gays in an inaugural address. In a way, Obama is an unlikely figure to break the mold; he did not support the rights of gays to marry until the final year of his first term. Now, freed of political constraints and embracing a more combative posture toward his opponents, he has located the gay-rights movement in the same tradition as the battles for women’s equality and civil rights. “We, the people, declare today that the most evident of truths –- that all of us are created equal –- is the star that guides us still; just as it guided our forebears through Seneca Falls, and Selma, and Stonewall,” Obama said, in a reference to the 1969 riots at a New York City bar that helped catalyze the gay rights movement. –Alex Altman

2:50 p.m. Be sure to check out TIME White House Correspondent Michael Scherer’s reaction to Obama’s speech here.

2:20 p.m. Patriotism is running high on Pennsylvania Avenue. Thousands of parade enthusiasts, sporting their red, white and blue, line the famous route near Freedom Plaza, the campsite of Occupy DC protests near the White House, and await the arrival of the 44th president’s motorcade. Several dozen charter buses–still leaving the Capitol after the swearing-in–have prompted false alarms amongst the crowds that the newly-inaugurated president and first family are already approaching. Until the real thing happens, the flamenco and country music blare, and hundreds of security personnel stand guard to make sure that no one even thinks about crossing the street. –Elizabeth Dias

1:48 p.m. We’ll have more reaction to and analysis of Obama’s speech soon. But a quick note about what it wasn’t: a speech about foreign policy. As I noted earlier, George W. Bush’s second inaugural speech was almost exclusively focused on the outside world and his democracy-promotion agenda. Obama’s speech focused on equality and opportunity at home, while barely touching on the foreign crises still facing America — including the civil war in Syria, the menace of Iran’s nuclear program, and Afghanistan’s uncertain fate. Foreign policy policy experts are grousing about this on Twitter, though it’s not clear what difference a few speech lines would have made to any of these story lines. Domestic politics are more likely to be influence by Obama’s agenda-setting than global events. And Obama may have made a tonal decision: most of the foreign issues noted above are downers, whereas Obama seemed determined to set an optimistic, uplifting tone (in contrast to his rather dour 2009 inaugural address). One might argue that Obama has a greater obligation to warn the country of the foreign crises that burn away. But that will have to wait for another day. –Michael Crowley

12:08 p.m. The full transcript of the President’s remarks, as prepared for delivery, can be found here.

12:03 p.m. As the president speaks, see an interactive panorama of what he sees from his vantage point here.

11:52 a.m. Conservatives like to make fun of Barack Obama for his grandiose talk (downsized since he first ran for president) of change. Slowing the rise of the oceans and all that. But in that context, it’s worth recalling the scope of George W. Bush’s second inaugural address. Bush described an aggressive democracy promotion agenda with the goal of nothing less than “ending tyranny in our world.”

We have seen our vulnerability—and we have seen its deepest source. For as long as whole regions of the world simmer in resentment and tyranny—prone to ideologies that feed hatred and excuse murder—violence will gather, and multiply in destructive power, and cross the most defended borders, and raise a mortal threat. There is only one force of history that can break the reign of hatred and resentment, and expose the pretensions of tyrants, and reward the hopes of the decent and tolerant, and that is the force of human freedom. We are led, by events and common sense, to one conclusion: The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world…. So it is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.

Read the entirety of Bush’s ambitious speech here. –Michael Crowley

11:40 a.m. Thousands of people milled around downtown, some heading to the mall, others just enjoying the carnival-like atmosphere. Streets usually clogged with city traffic were transformed into an enormous pedestrian zone stretching from H street NW across the mall. Stores and stands were hawking hot chocolate, Verizon cell phones, Obama inaugural t-shirts and hats, tacos, roti, water and flags, amongst other things. Pedicabs were allowed and were popular with tourists and locals alike weary or chilled from walking. The official inaugural store on F street between 11th and 12th drew a crowd, eager for official coins, plates, dvds and apparel. Enterprising fundraisers on street corners for Planned Parenthood and Greenpeace tried to sign up supporters and raise money. Buskers playing the violin, mandolin and a New Orleans brass band dotted the streets. Many restaurants played home to corporate watch parties; bar televisions usually reserved for sports — or in wonky Washington news channels or CSPAN — were all tuned to the inaugural scene on the Capitol steps. The famous Old Ebbitt Grill next to the White House was taken over by the Huffington Post and the Third Way for one such party. –Jay Newton-Small

11:35 a.m. For many in the audience, the invocation Myrlie Evers-Williams is punctuated by the constant yells of an anti-abortion protester who has climbed a tree on the Capitol grounds (carrying a sign that says “pray to end abortion”) and has not been removed by officers around the base. –Katy Steinmetz

11:07 a.m. On a day like today, it’s often fun, if a bit surreal, to watch Fox News. I just watched Megan Kelly and Bill Hemmer discuss how deeply disappointed Americans are with President Obama, because he’s an out-of-control spender who failed to create jobs. “That’s just a statement of fact,” Kelly said. Very good news for Mitt Romney! Now Brit Hume is talking about how “extraordinarily partisan” Obama has been since, uh, whatever happened in November. And Kelly is quoting the old line about democracy being the worst form of government, except for all the others.

On a more serious note: How many times are right-wingers going to remind us that unemployment was 7.8% when Obama took over and it’s still 7.8%? To beat a dead horse: Obama inherited an economy that was shedding 800,000 jobs a month, and unemployment shot up another 2 points in his first year. Now we’re gaining 200,000 jobs a month, and unemployment has decreased 2 points in the last three years. It’s legitimate to complain that unemployment hasn’t decreased enough, but come on. Someday revisionist historians will make a big deal about this. –Michael Grunwald

Read Grunwald’s curtain raising take on the Second Obama Inauguration: Man of His Word: Obama Likely To Deliver On His Inaugural Promises (Again)

11:00 a.m. As President Obama entered the Capitol, he greeted the Congressional leadership and announced, “I miss this place. It looks great.” Chances are he really doesn’t miss it all that much. –Michael Scherer

10:33 a.m. The gospel reading at church for President Obama this morning included this passage, from Matthew 6:25: “Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?” It is an idea that the President long ago internalized, in a different context. As he told Vanity Fair’s Michael Lewis last year, “‘You’ll see I wear only gray or blue suits,’ he said. ‘I’m trying to pare down decisions. I don’t want to make decisions about what I’m eating or wearing. Because I have too many other decisions to make.’ He mentioned research that shows the simple act of making decisions degrades one’s ability to make further decisions. It’s why shopping is so exhausting. ‘You need to focus your decision-making energy. You need to routinize yourself. You can’t be going through the day distracted by trivia.'” The full passage from this morning’s bible reading can be found here. –Michael Scherer

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10:12 a.m. Sister Simone Campbell of the Nuns on the Bus made a splash during the campaign by speaking at the Democratic National Convention, and traveling the country by coach to offer a Catholic defense of ObamaCare. That earned her front row seats to the second inauguration, and she has been loving every moment despite the cold. Good thing she has on her “bipartisan red and blue mittens,” as she calls them. “We got here early because we didn’t know how long everything we take, it’s our first time,” she says. Could she have imagined this four years ago? “Not even a year ago!” she says, all smiles, passing out Nuns on the Bus stickers to people sitting around her. We can expect to hear more from Campbell, one of the surprise stars of this election cycle and the Democratic National Convention–stayed tuned, she says. –Elizabeth Dias

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10:00 a.m. North of the mall, Grace Herbert stood a corner wearing the bright red cap that designates the thousands of volunteers helping people to find their way through the chaos. “I’m smiling more than I ever smile,” the Leesburg, Va. native said. She handed out pamphlets that showed the parade route and the Capitol grounds. Herbert said she felt like she was giving back, manning a station from 4:30 a.m. to 3 p.m. She won’t see the ceremony itself, but she’ll help others find their way all day.

Hucksters sold memorial lanyards with big fake tickets that said, “I witnessed history,” 2013 flags, calendars, framed pictures of the First Family and unofficial programs for $10. The buildings around them were outlined in flags and red, white and blue bunting. One couple from Dover, Delaware had returned after selling buttons in 2009. The first time, they came with a team of six and sold thousands. This time it was just the two of them, Grace and Maurice Williams. And they brought just 500. “The first time around, it was the most unbelievable, electric feeling,” Maurice says. “This time, it’s more of a relief, like ‘Thank God he’s in office.'” But he said, people are still happy. There’s just less electricity in the air.

Down the street, young men sold inauguration condoms with Obama’s face on them and taglines like “The ultimate stimulus package.” Nearby another man rolled in a station where he hawked prints of a “Freedom Riders” painting, showing African-American icons, from the First Couple to Tupac to Rosa Parks, dressed in black and galloping across a bright landscape on horseback. Smaller prints were priced at $25, bigger ones at $50. Just feet away another stand was unloading hoodies decorated with Obama’s face and script declaring the 57th Inauguration.

At the Capitol, actress Alfre Woodard walked by the crowds and posed for pictures. “The country is abuzz with a feeling of commitment and belonging and understanding,” Woodard tells TIME. “I fell exhilarated for everyday Americans.” –Katy Steinmetz

9:40 a.m. Joe and Jill Biden and the Obama family have just returned from a morning service across the street from the White House at St. Johns Church. The official service on the Capitol steps is not set to begin until 11:20 a.m. For more on how the ceremony will go, check out TIME’s guide to Who’s Who in the Inauguration Ceremony.

9:15 a.m. The Republican Party has mostly fled the capital today to avoid the jubilant crowds, but amid the festive mood there are reminders of Washington’s bitter partisan divide. In the Capitol South Metro station, near the GOP-controlled House, a group called “Bankrupting America” plastered signs assailing the swelling national debt across pillars and walls. “Talk is cheap. Overspending is not,” they declared, alongside pictures of calculators and graphs bemoaning the U.S. budget deficit. Outside, as vendors hawked Obama buttons and decals and hand-warmers, the President’s  opponents pressed leaflets into the hands of passers-by. “Not my president,” read one, advertising a “Disinauguration Ball” Monday night at a restaurant across the Potomac in Arlington. –Alex Altman

8:30 a.m. Even an hour before dawn, hundreds of people eager to witness history were streaming towards the National Mall from all directions. As dawn broke brilliant and pink behind the U.S. capitol building, the gates opened and people began filtering onto the mall through Secret Service security sweeps. Giant televisions set up along the mall were already showing a steady stream of Presidential Inaugural Committee-produced programming including a sweeping summary of the 2008 inaugural, a segment about this weekend’s festivities, focusing on public service, and an interview with some muppets for the kids. The crowd thickened as the morning wore on with thousands in place and an audible rumble emanating from the mall by 8:30am. The strains of U2 and other Obama campaign classics could be heard from a few blocks away. Though the crowds were large, the mall was not nearly as stuffed as it was four years ago, the first and only inauguration that warranted the opening of the entire length of the mall — a stretch of more than two miles. Compared to dawn 2009, the crowds were less than half as robust — with upwards of 900,000 expected compared to the nearly 2 million people who braved the bitter cold four years ago. This year’s attendees are luckier with the weather: a cold front that had been threatened to make this inauguration even more frigid that the near-freezing one in 2009 held off and temperatures were expected to reach the mid-40’s. –Jay Newton-Small
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RondaR.Adams
RondaR.Adams

The President was sworn into office with his hand on an old black Bible and a thicker old brown book.  What was the second book that his hand was actually on as he was sworn in?

USDL
USDL

From the story: "It’s because, this time, the world isn’t burning down around him."

I have a feeling that April/May is going to wake up a lot of people, and make them realize how absolutely stupid these types of statements are.

Is anybody actually paying attention to what's happening to the economy? We don't live in a bubble, people. The USA might not be burning down around him, at this time, but why can't anybody see what's happening in the rest of the world? Don't people realize that the rest of the world has stopped trading "everything" in US dollars?

Give it until April or May... parts of the USA just might be burning down, by then. If not, it'll definitely be a tinderbox.

jjparkerjim121
jjparkerjim121

If Obama and the Demonrats don't stop all the ridiculous spending the next Inaugural speach will be in Cantonese. 

DanielDinnell
DanielDinnell

Lacks true  LEADERSHIP skills. . .  Among many promises made and not kept. . . 


10.3 TRILLION Dollar national debt.  .  .  2008, Barack Obama’s promised that as LEADER of this nation he would reduce the national debt when he took office by 50 percent to $5.5 trillion by the end of his first term.


16.1 TRILLION Dollar national debt .  .  .  Dec2012, the end of his first term as LEADER of this nation. . .  


16.4 TRILLION Dollar national debt .  .  .  Jan2013, the beginning of his second term as LEADER of this nation. 


26 TRILLION Dollar national debt at current rate of growth. . .  Dec2016, the end of his second term as LEADER of this nation


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JohnDahodi
JohnDahodi

Really, if we would like to be a superb and peaceful and respectful super power, first we have to stop selling our arms, ammunition, fighter planes, missiles and smart bombs to any other country; (ii) close our Pentagon and CIA and U.N. Security Council at once, otherwise, whatever our Presidents are saying for the last 200+ years, it is a phony, fake and foolish message only to fool ourselves.

fitty_three
fitty_three

A big difference between the Dems and the GOP in a nutshell:

The Dems believe that all Americans deserve basic standards of treatment and access to health care.  We can still balance the budget and have a smaller government.

The GOP believes the only path to smaller government and a balanced budget is through social Darwinism.

Take yer pick...

Poppersci
Poppersci

Four years later, how many Republicans still wrongly and evidence-free believe that the president is socialist or a train wreck. These are really interesting times to live in. One major party of the the most powerful and influential nation on Earth are basically living in delusion. They cannot process reality, instead believing fervently in a fantasy of their own making. They cannot process evidence, evidence of news, evidence of policy proposals working, instead clinging to policies that somehow they miss as being objectively hurtful to the country. They're flat earthers; all their maxims have been proven to be wrong. Yet they continue to belief them, so government becomes a religion to them, and they cling to it all the more, despite evidence, despite reality, because they don't need reality, the paranoia and hate in their heads is reality enough. This is really interesting from an anthropological and psychological point of view, while being terrifying for the country at large.

 A great fine speech the president made, and one that hopefully augurs great things to come.



mrbomb13
mrbomb13

To the average layman, the President's speech was par for the course:  optimistic, yet mindful of what lies ahead for our nation.

Yet, to the astute political observer, it was yet another instance of the President trying to have it both ways, a la, "while we must do A, we must be mindful of those who could be adversely affected by A, and therefore consider B [while of course accepting that B too might have adverse affects, which therefore requires C, which equals A+B]."  I counted no fewer than 7 consecutive  instances of such statements.

His speech was boiling over with gimmicks for his demographics and key voting blocks.  The biggest policy proposal in the speech was fighting climate change.  Yet, what makes him think that such 'change' will be possible, especially given the current Congressional climate (pun intended)?

Even with that proposal, the speech was sorely lacking in leadership on other initiatives.  It made no specific calls for economic reform, immigration reform, education reform, drilling reform, technological reform, etc..  Instead, the speech sounded more akin to a 3rd Grader's essay on, "What I Dream To Be."  The President - like anyone else - can iterate all of his dreams for the nation as much as he wants.  Yet, without a plan to get there, those dreams won't stand a chance of becoming what the rest of us know as, "reality."

JoshLevine
JoshLevine

"But what if we had done it 150 years earlier?"

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becca
becca

didn't watch..just watching my paycheck shrink!

catbyte08
catbyte08

@RondaR.Adams It was Martin Luther King's traveling Bible. The King family had the President & Chief Justice Roberts sign it after the oath of office. Bottom one was Lincoln's . No Koran, LOL.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@USDL 

Is you suggesting that the Southron States might rise again, or something?

catbyte08
catbyte08

@jjparkerjim121 What "ridiculous spending" is that? Bush grew the federal budget 3 times as much at this point in his tenure. You are being lied to, but do you care? Does truth matter to you or does ideology trump all?

USDL
USDL

@53_3 The big problem is that most people actually think there is a difference between the Dems and the GOP. All of the so-called "differences" are theater, to make you think that you have a choice. They both have the same long term goals.

Who's in control, you ask? Just like any other question, all you have to do is follow the money. People need to open their eyes and stop being dragged into this "right and left argument".

BJ1017
BJ1017

@53_3 Nope. You got that wrong. The GOP does not believe in a small government, and neither do the Dems. 


fhmadvocat
fhmadvocat

mrbomb13,

The things you are asking for will be addressed in the State of the Union (hopefully) on February 12.  That is when he supposed to propose specific policies instead of nice generalities.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@mrbomb13  

And you don't think that GOP talking points and speeches "boil over" with pandering to their demographic?

Notice it's not plural...

Tero
Tero

@mrbomb13 

You mean a presidential inauguration speech was full of generalities and vague promises? I bet that has never happened before!

Tero
Tero

@becca 

Why are you a Republican consultant?

USDL
USDL

@53_3 @USDL I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. All I am suggesting is that there is an economic collapse that is in our future. The trends and forecasts are all in agreement.

There are three hurdles that need to be jumped in the next few months, and just looking at how our economy has been handled, I don't have any faith that any of those hurdles will be cleared, sufficiently. This, coupled with the fact that Russia, China, India, and others have stopped using the US dollar as the reserve currency will cause hyper inflation that most people couldn't imagine, at this time... and I'm about as far from whistling Dixie, as a person can be.

Tero
Tero

@BJ1017 @TheDisclosure 

...he is also quite good at making Republicans look foolish. But hey, that isn't hard these days.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@BJ1017

Unless, of course, you consider the fact that he got what he wanted on the fiscal cliff.

 Keep it up, BJ...

fitty_three
fitty_three

@USDL

I see:

Citizens United - a GOP artifact.  That alone is enough to make me throw up.  That alone is enough to convince me that my vote went to the right candidate.

Libertarians are social Darwinists on steroids.  No thanks.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@BJ1017

One thing that you and the GOP have in common is that you DO believe that social Darwinism is the way to achieve it.

mrbomb13
mrbomb13

@Tero @mrbomb13 

Actually, you are over-generalizing my comment.  If you read the text of Obama's speeches and press conferences, he has the curious habit of saying things like, "We must be mindful that government can't pay for everything, but at the same time must recognize that we all must help the poorer in the country."

In other words, that comment appeals to several voting blocks:  Block 1 that says government is too large, Block 2 that is against out-of-control entitlement spending, Block 3 that supports the poor, Block 4 that is the poor themselves, and so on and so forth.

It's his way of "playing politics" in his speech, and gives the impression that, "he wants to eat his cake, and have it too."

mrbomb13
mrbomb13

@Tero @becca 

Probably just an economic realist, and not a dreamer like our President.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@BJ1017

picket fences don't help with the crotch when making wild leaps, BJ.

BJ1017
BJ1017

@53_3 @BJ1017 The fiscal cliff wasn't that big of a deal. It was just exaggerated by the media.

BJ1017
BJ1017

@53_3 @BJ1017 I don't think there will be hell on the poor. That's just scare tactics. 

fitty_three
fitty_three

@BJ1017 

Sorry, social Darwinism has no takers here.  You certainly have a convenient philosophy, when it adds up to good for the rich, hell on the poor, or the middle class.


BJ1017
BJ1017

@53_3 @BJ1017 I believe that a lot of laws that are designed to help the poor and needy actually hurt the poor and needy.  The difference between you and me is that you judge laws by their intent, while I judge laws by their results. 

I see the unintended consequences of well  intentioned laws, while you are oblivious to them.

BJ1017
BJ1017

@53_3 @BJ1017 The point is he violated the constitution.

If you don't like the source, I can find another one if you like. :)

fitty_three
fitty_three

@BJ1017

I thought Libya worked out pretty well.  Sh!t happens, BJ.

And why would you source "Talking Points Memo (TPM)".  Is it because this is a talking point more than anything else?

BJ1017
BJ1017

@53_3 @BJ1017 What the hell are you talking about? Attacking Libya was a blatant violation of the constitution. 


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/dennis-kucinich-calls-says-libya-attack-an-impeachable-offense-for-obama.php

“President Obama moved forward without Congress approving. He didn’t have Congressional authorization, he has gone against the Constitution, and that’s got to be said,” Kucinich said in an interview with Raw Story. “It’s not even disputable, this isn’t even a close question. Such an action — that involves putting America’s service men and women into harm’s way, whether they’re in the Air Force or the Navy — is a grave decision that cannot be made by the president alone.”

fitty_three
fitty_three

@BJ1017

Obama, get approval of Congress (read "House")?

 Who in hell are you kidding.

Watch for more of the view of tires meeting the road from the point of view of the rat.

BJ1017
BJ1017

@53_3 Then he should have know better than to attack Libya without approval of congress, pass the NDAA bill in 2012, and he should have known better than to order than assassination of an American citizen without any charges or trial.


fitty_three
fitty_three

The guy IS a Constitutional scholar, you know.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@mrbomb13

I think that he may not in some respects, but the Obama team is known for planning for contingencies.  

And hey, what if he resolves the budget and taxes and government issues without having to invoke social Darwinism like the GOP wants?

mrbomb13
mrbomb13

@53_3 @mrbomb13 

You fail to appreciate the irony in the phrase, "having your cake and eating it too."  Technically, it's not feasible to say that you're going to do both.  It's one or the other.

The point is that the President is trying to have it both ways, and I'm saying that he will not.

TyroneNorwood
TyroneNorwood

@mrbomb13@TeroSo what is different from any other inaugural speech that you have heard in your short life?; I like the truth....and the truth is that you would not like the president no matter what he said; Read the last eight presidential inaugural speeches and tell me which ones were not "appealing to several voting blocks"?, Yes Kennedy said in his address that he wanted to get to the moon, but even if he had lived to have seen it happen, he would not have been President when it happened but the inspiration of his inaugural speech made and inspired America to reach and make it happen.  Name me one President who accomplished everything he set out to do when elected. Seems to me Mr. Bomb 13; you are a layman because what you were seeking in the presidential inaugural speech is the standard that should be looked for in the President's State of the Union Address and an astute political observer would know the difference.

Tero
Tero

@mrbomb13 @Tero 

hmmm, I still think my snarky comment applies. If anything, Obamas comments are more a reflection of his balanced approach to governing, than simply pandering to both sides.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@mrbomb13

With the GOP as it now stands, he will have his have cake and eat it too

BJ1017
BJ1017

@53_3 @BJ1017 And wait a sec? My party? I hate the GOP just as much as the Dems.  

I'm just pointing out the bias and misleading info in that article. 

But go ahead, keep believing that Romney put hidden KKK messages in his campaign slogans(which never were his slogans to begin with) LMAO.


BJ1017
BJ1017

@53_3 @BJ1017 Can't address any of the points. Figures. Dems don't care about facts, logic, or reason when they fly in the face of their agenda.

in that sense you are JUST like the GOP.


fitty_three
fitty_three

@BJ1017

Got excuses / rationalizatins for everything.

Even the fact that the black community won't touch your party with a 13 foot pole right now.

{NO SALE}

BJ1017
BJ1017

@outsider2011 @mrbomb13 @Tero @becca I'll address the dailkos article.

1. Encouraging people to work hard instead of relying on the government isn't a bad thing. He has also made that statement about America as a whole many times during the campaign  which the article fails to mention. Leaving that out makes it seem like he is only targeting black people, when in fact he said the same thing  about the whole country during the campaign.

2.  The article doesn't mention that Cain made the "plantation" comments in response to racist comments made about him. . He said it once in response to someone calling him a "bad apple", a "false negro" and to put down the "symbolic crack pipe"  While Cain is wrong for going down to their level, ignoring the fact that the Dems made equally racist comments about him that he was responding to is very biased.

3. The article fails to mention that Paul supported the part of the bill that repealed the Jim Crow laws. What he didn't support about the bill was that he was again the government telling people what they couldn't do. The article does not clearly explain Paul's position on the issue, therefore, it is very misleading.

4. The article says Santourm called  black people "parasites" when he never said that word.  That's extremely biased since they put words in his mouth just so they could make their own point stronger.  Now, they have a point that he mentioned black people in response to that question, but it's misleading how they blatantly  put words in his mouth.

5. This is just based on an assumption, and there is no facts to back this claim up.  1st of all, the article does not quote  any republican calling the unemployed lazy, so I can't fact check if it was even said. 2nd, it assumes that saying the unemployed is lazy somehow has something to do with race.  It just seems like the Daily Kos didn't have enough "racist moments" to make a top ten list, so they just  made one up.

6. This is just completely stupid. "Keep America America" is just vague political rhetoric that all politicians  use. You can not prove it was anything more than that. And that was never a "slogan" for Romney like the article says.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/slogan.asp

7. Perry's campaign has said that his father painted over the rock in the 1980's, and their family did not own the property that the Washington Post said. Of course, we can't expect campaigns to be truthful, but I can find anything substantial that refutes Perry's campaign statement.  If anybody here could, then yes, that is a strong point.

8.  While Bahcman's statement was clearly wrong and even offensive,   her  statement does not mean she thinks blacks are not ready for freedom like the article implies. That's an assumption that can not be proved.

9.  Mitt Romeny has talked about how the economy hurt the Hispanic community, and mentions how they have been hit harder just like the Daily Kos mentions:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/17/as-romney-makes-another-push-for-hispanic-voters-rivals-call-foul/

"No one is exempt from the pain of this economy, but the Hispanic community has been particularly hard hit," Romney will say, according to excerpts of the speech released by his campaign. "While national unemployment is 8.1%, Hispanic unemployment is over 10%. Over two million more Hispanics are living in poverty today than the day President Obama took office."

Again, another claim that isn't supported by facts. 

10. The whole logic behind this point is flawed. If the party was truly racist, then African Americans candidates wouldn't be well liked and have significant roles in the party. I know you don't like them, and I don't either, but people like Allen West, Mia Love, etc. wouldn't be liked or successful in the party if the party was truly racist.  I'd like to know how the Daily Kos explains how if the Republicans  were truly racist how could they have so many black and Hispanic candidates who are well liked by the party?

And btw,  a few comments made by anonymous people online prove absolutely  nothing.

Of course there's going to be fringe lunatics in the party, but they don't represent the party as a whole. I don't like the Republicans either and they have many faults, but racism in not one of them.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@TyroneNorwood

I think Obama knows what he can do.  Look for negotiations -> deadlock -> executive order in that order.

Unless, Boehner wises up and goes with a Dem + moderate GOP majority in the House.

TyroneNorwood
TyroneNorwood

@53_3 Great point! But with divided government lets see how far he will get.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@mrbomb13

But didn't the House go along with the tax cuts?

That two percent more he's paying wasn't part of the deal.

Don't you think that the House should have taken steps to include that so SS wouldn't go from 4.2 to 6.2?

fitty_three
fitty_three

@mrbomb13

What happens if Obama actually manages to make serious progress on balancing the budget and smaller, more efficient government?

Will you still hate him?

Tero
Tero

@mrbomb13 @Tero @becca 

I would never imply that every member of any group has exactly the same motives. I would, however, point to the unprecedented opposition the first black president has faced in trying to implement originally-Republican ideas.

fitty_three
fitty_three

@mrbomb13

It wasn't fueled by racism.  Just plain hatred.

I'll cheer each time he stomps on their asses.  Political payback is an mf...

mrbomb13
mrbomb13

@Tero @mrbomb13 @becca 

If you're implying that Republican's opposition was fueled by racism, you're going to have to furnish evidence that supports the implication.

Second, by attempting to get spending under control, the Republicans have been working to curb federal spending.  Those efforts are curtailed by our President, who does not understand the Business Cycle.  He insists on a tax increase to spending cuts ratio of 41 to 1 (in the most recent Fiscal Cliff Deal) is a healthy compromise.  If that's a compromise, than it's the biggest joke of a compromise I've ever seen.  

He should know that we cannot tax our way to prosperity.  When he starts cutting spending on treasured Democratic programs, than I'll believe him when he says that he's taking a "balanced approach."

Also, if you're going to accuse the Republicans of not acting like adults, consider the Democratic Kids In Congress who rammed through 1,000+ pages of healthcare legislation without giving the Grown Ups time to read and discuss the legislation.  How mature indeed.


Tero
Tero

@mrbomb13 @Tero @becca 

I know right! 

He must have been dreaming when he thought the Republican party would work for the good of the nation, and not just oppose everything the first black president puts forward... 

He must have been dreaming when he thought the Republicans would act like adults...

He must have been dreaming to think America was over the racism of the past...