Why Illinois is Going Bankrupt

image: A cartoon snake named "Squeezy the Pension Python" coils around the State Capitol as part of Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn's new online campaign to get Illinoisans excited about pension reform.
Gov. Pat Quinn's office / AP

A cartoon snake named "Squeezy the Pension Python" coils around the State Capitol as part of Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn's new online campaign to get Illinoisans excited about pension reform.

It’s not quite fair to say that Illinois officials are doing nothing to defuse the most threatening pension time bomb in America. Darn close to nothing, that’s fair, which explains why the ratings agencies Fitch and Moody’s have put the state on their negative watch lists. The Land of Lincoln is heading toward yet another downgrade of its battered bond ratings if this near-paralysis keeps up. To say “nothing,” however, ignores Squeezy the Pension Python.

Squeezy is the cartoon co-star in a YouTube video featuring Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn. Hoping to raise awareness among voters and put pressure on the legislature, Quinn took to the ether last year to explain why underfunding the state pension system (the deficit is deepening by more than half a million bucks per hour) is not a good idea. When the state has to pay promised pensions even though the coffers are empty, said the governor, other priorities get squeezed—like schools, roads, and law enforcement.

Cue the snake.

It might be argued that Squeezy is too cute to set off alarm bells among fans of the Chicago Bears. More to the point: awareness of the pension mess is not really the problem in Illinois. Everyone has known for years that the state is a fiscal wreck, with Exhibit A being the smoking crater in the pension fund. Thanks in large part to the rapidly growing slice of state spending that goes to pensions, Illinois has gone ten years without a genuinely balanced budget, and the state was essentially broke even before the Great Recession hit. Now it is roughly 300 days behind in its payments to vendors—despite having tried every accounting trick in the book to hide the red ink. In fact, awareness of the problem inspired the state legislature to raise taxes and deposit some actual money in the pension fund last year, rather than toss in the usual IOUs.

(MORE: Why We Need Pension Reform)

The problem is … well, there are several problems, the first of which is leadership. Illinois did not have much during the period when former Gov. Rod Blagojevich followed his predecessor, former Gov. George Ryan, out of office and into federal prison on corruption charges. As the Chicago Tribune has amply documented, Illinois labor leaders, lobbyists, legislators, aldermen—even longtime Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley—have been more likely to pad pensions than to properly manage them, starting with their own comfy retirement cushions.

Lawmakers promised more and more benefits to retired teachers, police officers, firefighters, and other government workers over the past decade; meanwhile, the pool of money to pay these pledges was neglected. The estimated shortfall of nearly $100 billion between now and 2045 is, believe it or not, a rosy scenario, given that a) it assumes robust investment returns and b) doesn’t include local pension disasters, like the estimated $20 billion hole in the City of Chicago system.

Quinn and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel both urged the legislature to tackle the crisis during last year’s session. “The day of reckoning has arrived,” Emanuel warned. All sorts of repairs were floated: raising the retirement age for public employees, increasing employee contributions, freezing cost-of-living increases, shifting younger workers into 401-(k) style savings. Quinn even proposed that responsibility for teacher retirement plans should be shifted to local school boards.  You can guess what the locals thought about that.

(MORE: Fiscal Cliff Aftermath: New Option for 401(k) Savers)

Even after Squeezy’s debut, the result was nil. Public employee unions are a powerful force in heavily Democratic Illinois, and they have not only clout but the law on their side. The contracts that grant retirement benefits to public employees are guaranteed by the state constitution, the unions argue. Such promises must be kept. Stymied by so many unpleasant options, the legislature stalled during its regular session, dodged Quinn’s call for a special session, and punted during a lame-duck session that ended early this month.

So much for the day of reckoning.

The Pew Center on the States, which tracks the pension funding problem nationwide, says Illinois now faces the worst mess in the country, with less than half of its pension obligations currently covered. But other states are suffering from symptoms of the same disease. According to Pew, 34 states were short in 2010 of the recommended 80-percent funding level considered safe for pension systems. (That is the most recent year for which data is available; defenders of public pensions argue that 2010 figures exaggerate the problem because they  collected near the bottom of the bad economy.) In all, Pew estimates the total shortfall in state pensions to be $1.38 trillion.

Fixing problems of this scale, where the political price is immediate while the benefits are stretched out over decades, is never easy. The widely acclaimed reforms passed in Rhode Island last year are bogged down in litigation, as unions fight to preserve the deals they negotiated. But each day that passes without major reforms, the mathematics of the Illinois crisis grind on: ever more retirees, collecting steadily larger checks, as tumbling bond ratings make it more and more expensive to borrow money to mask the hole.

As a new legislature, dominated by Democratic supermajorities, takes another whack at the snake in the coming months, leaders in other states around the country should watch Springfield and heed the lesson: tempting though it is to do nothing, it only makes the problem worse.

MORE: How Bad Is America’s Pension Funding Problem?

367 comments
Paulhaider74
Paulhaider74

As much as I hate to be Illinoising toward the religious nut-jobs out there, the best way to convert Illinois's debt into a surplus would be to eliminate the tax-exempt status of organized religion in the state of Illinois.  In addition to raising the taxes of anyone who earns more than $100,000 per year in salary ("The Six-Figure Tax"), we should also increase the total cost of guns ($10,000 per firearm) and bullets ($5,000) per bullet.  If there are two things that we need less of that do more harm than good in Illinois, the main culprits are guns/bullets (homicide and suicide rate are exorbitant) and religion (Catholic Church continues to abuse children and suppress the rights of women).  It is time to do something in Illinois that Abraham Lincoln would actually respect in its residents; we could embrace the rational and critical/independent thinking that was demonstrated by our nation's greatest Republican president (sorry, St. Raygun was way down on that list below both Dwight Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt; don't forget that Ronnie tripled the defict and claimed that pollution came from trees!).  Our state should embrace what we can do to serve as a model for the other 49 states, and sending Rob BlowDryAnItch to prison was a good start. 

Paul Haider, Chicago

drudown
drudown

As a 39 year old professional, the very premise of pensions reeks of inequity, i.e., the majority of those slated to receive this windfall advocate for a "no new taxes" policy and provide no new ideas (e.g., reorganization of municipal, state and federal debt) to grapple with reality. 

Recent college graduates struggle to find paying work; tell me, why should people get "compensated" for past work performed? Puzzling.

RichardBlackmore
RichardBlackmore

As a 39 year old prefessional I would think the answer to your question would be obvious. Because compensation AT THE TIME the work was done was held off until retirement. That is to say the contract held off part of the compensation until a much later time, giving the state, city or county the use of money the worker put into the system, while allowing the government to hold off payment due until a later time. It is called a contract, rather like your working a week before you get compensated for the work you did. Except in this case you wait 20 or more years. However as someone who is in a retirement program I have to say, sometimes the economy goes to crap, and you end up doing what others owed money do, take less than then the full amount owed rather than watching the whole system crash. But if you don't like what is happening then get pissed at the brain-dead lazy, make-sure-I-get-mine and screw everyone else politicians who don't have the courage to keep on top of things.

drudown
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@RichardBlackmore 

While at some level I understand that the disputed compensation was "part of the initial agreement", it seems that it creates an unfair conflict of interest vis-a-vis how our elected officials negotiate proper use of available funds. As intimated, I understand the concept of pensions. But why should the present and future generations fund pensions when don't get such contractual extravagances. Just speak to that point, i.e., it is, at least on its face, inequitable.

RichardBlackmore
RichardBlackmore

The government needs to admit it was the people who ran the government who caused most of this problem in the first place. Then maybe we go after those in office who refused to properly fund the system and sue them (hell if we are gooing to violate the state constiutions we can do it that way to). THEN, yea, we restructure/reorganize debt. But when we do be aware your not going to get a lot of qualified people doing the various jobs in government when they know for a fact that even a constiutional gaurantee is going to be ignored, and anything they contribute, much less what their employer contributes is the same as pissing the money down the toilet.

drudown
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@RichardBlackmore 

I find it telling that the generations coming up on retirement have no qualms about leaving such a fiscal disaster in place for future generations. The government needs to restructure/reorganize debt. Period.

RichardBlackmore
RichardBlackmore

Why should the past generations fund research, highways, or rail maintainence? (that could as easily be asked when todays generations benefit from them). But to answer your question, the government(s) are  like corporations, they exist as legal entities acrous multiple generations. By the logic you have presented why pay for veterns medical expensis once they can no longer fight? As for funding, in part I am admit some sympathy to your question. The past generations (including many if not most in the retierment system) wanted low taxes, and got them in part by not insisting on taxation year by year to pay the government(s)s part of the pension, so that yes, an unequal share is now being asked of the current generations. But to call them exgravagances seems odd to me. One because for most recieving pensions they are not extravagent, and two because everyone in the systme paid into that system at a rate of 8% to 11% of their yearly pre-tax salary.

CharlieMalone
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@drudown 

In a typical, good private employment situation the employer would contribute 6.2%  of each employees pay into Social Security and then also another 3 to 4% of each employees pay into a 401(k) type plan - for a total employer contribution of 9.2 to 10.2%.  And the employee would also make that same contribution.

80% of the members of the five Illinois state pension systems are not part of Social Security.  Instead they contribute into their pension systems.  Illinois Teachers contribute 9.4 percent to their pensions, state university employees pay 8 percent, judges pay 11 percent and legislators pay 11.5 percent. State employees pay 4 percent if they also contribute to the Social Security system and 8 percent if they do not.

The State was supposed to be matching those employees' contributions. Many years the State of Illinois contributed 0% towards most if its employees retirement.  Studies show that 70% of the Illinois pension shortfall come from the State as employer skipping its contribution.   The State of Illinois skipped pension contributions in order to keep taxes at a low 3% for 20 years.  Even the current 5% rate is considerably lower than the rates most in Wisconsin pay.

 How would those in the private sector be faring if their employer made no 401(k) type contributions for its employees -- and also skipped the employer's 6.2% into Social Security?   And how would they feel if then Social Security blamed the shortfall on the employees and told them they would have to make up the 6.2% that their employers skipped all those years.  That is very comparable to the situation in Illinois. .

drudown
drudown

@CharlieMalone @drudown 

Let's look at it in another light. As a general proposition, an employment contract's consideration may be aptly summarized as follows: employee renders services for employer; employee receives compensation. Tell me, why should the taxpaying public be forced to pay additional compensation? The people slated to receive pensions were paid for the services when they rendered them. 

And for people below 40, it is simply unfair. What, your generation gets pensions and ours doesn't? Explain.

HeelsandHawkey
HeelsandHawkey

@RichardBlackmore  Raise taxes? Why? I already gave the government the tax dollars to go towards that. It sucks that what happened did, but that is reality. If I have to have my taxes raised to cover someone's outrageous pension so they can retire at age 55, something my tax dollars were already taken for, they should be willing to forgo retirement until age 67 like I will have to wait for...like most of my generation in America will have to wait for.   I'm sick of this BS.  I'm taxed enough as it is, STOP PUNISHING ME.

RichardBlackmore
RichardBlackmore

You raise taxes, and differ part of the retierment to later. Or you go to court and admit the government (and those who elected those in that government) screwed up in the past and essentialy violated thier obligations, and then pay out less than 100% of the retierment. After that you watch a rather large number of people in the government doing needed work LEAVE, with nobody qualifed comming in to an employer they know for a fact violates thier contracts.

RichardBlackmore
RichardBlackmore

Because part of their pay was differed AS retierment. Because they payed anywhere from 8% to 11% of thier pay into that system.  Because that was the contract made at the time. You want to ask this question, then ask the politicians who didn't fund the pensions year by year so they could get re-elected on a "lower tax" stand (when what they were in effect doing was borrowing future funds). Does that make it a tad bit clearer? Hell, why should anyone get anything from a 401K if we are going to use your logic?

CharlieMalone
CharlieMalone

@drudown@CharlieMalone

The pensions are part of the overall compensation package that were given to state employees, state university employees, and teachers when they were hired.  The pensions are not some added perk, but are benefits earned.   Illinois is not in pension trouble because its pension benefits are too generous - but primarily because the State skipped it share of the pension payments.  

The State of Illinois skipping pension payments is nothing new.   Illinois' state pensions were funded at about the same percentage in 1970 as they are now.   That is why in 1970 the delegates of the Illinois Constitution Convention saw fit to write public pension protection into the Illinois Constitution.  

SECTION 5. PENSION AND RETIREMENT RIGHTS Membership in any pension or retirement system of the State, any unit of local government or school district, or any agency or instrumentality thereof, shall be an enforceable contractual relationship, the benefits of which shall not be diminished or impaired. (Source: Illinois Constitution.)

Eric Madier, the current Illinois Senate Parliamentarian and Chief Legal Officer to Senate President John Culllerton, has written a 76-page analysis of the pension clause that was put into the Illinois Constitution in 1970. That analysis describes the history and backgroundl how the pension clause came to be inserted into the Illinois Constitution. One can read that analysis at tinyurl.com/Eric-Madierpensions

 Many (especially newspaper editors) are advocating that the State of Illinois ignore its Constitution and are also advocating that contract law be ignored.   That is why we have courts.

Arizona and New Hampshire have similar public pension protection clauses to that of Illinois, in their state constitutions. Their courts rejected those states new laws to force state employees to pay more towards their pension - and made the State pay back with interest the extra money that had been taken out of state employees paychecks. 


Courts Block Efforts at Public Pension Change
http://www.governing.com/news/state/sl-courts-block-efforts-at-public-pension-change.html

CharlieMalone
CharlieMalone

@drudown  

It sounds like you are saying, "If I can't have a good pension, then nobody should"   That kind of thinking just puts us all on a race to the bottom. 

drudown
drudown

@CharlieMalone @drudown 

I think a more accurate means to summarize my argument would be: pensions do not pencil. 

Accordingly, it is disingenuous to suggest the "whole" of the current taxpaying society should sustain pension payments when there is no budgetary means to pay for them. 

The solution, in my mind, is reorganizing debt. Once that is done, pensions are feasible. But you can't pay them when there is a such a pronounced fiscal shortfall. This is particularly so in instances where there is no need, e.g., the Judge I clerked for in 2000 retired in 2004 and became a private mediator. He makes, what, $300k a year now. Why should he get an additional $120k in pension when our city is in fiscal disrepair? That is imprudent fiscal policy.

Nowhere1111
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Private sector UNIONS?? The union is protecting people from greedy owners? Uh ... no. This union is making Illinois go bankrupt and not backing down!. Talk about greedy !!!

easyweblinx
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The US is bankrupt............


easynewslinx.com

famulla5
famulla5

A White House Aware of Second-Term Perils

President Obama and his advisers are developing a strategy intended to avoid the pitfalls of his predecessors with a robust agenda focused on the economy, gun control, immigration and energy. I thank you Firozali A.Mull DBA

TerryClifton
TerryClifton

Wisconsin used to have this problem until Scott Walker took on the mafia that was sinking is his state faster than the Titanic. The Illinois Governor probably can't tell the difference between the goons in Springfield and the goons in the public sector unions that have ran his state into the sewer. This has been a long time coming for Illinois, and now the people are going to be taxed into poverty to pay for it..Good luck with that..

RichardBlackmore
RichardBlackmore

You left out the goons in the government who didn't pay thier legal share into the fund on a year by year basis, and the tax-payers who smilled when they got lower taxes by putting of those payments. Are the pensions to high? Depends on who is getting paid what (IMO), some obviously are. But there are plenty to blame here, not just the unions.

CharlieMalone
CharlieMalone

@TerryClifton  

The Wisconsin legislature last year increased what public employees must pay toward their pensions. Before the law passed, workers paid less than 1 percent of their salaries –in some cases nothing – toward pensions. Under the new law, public employees pay 5.8 percent to 6.65 percent. Pension benefits were not changed

Most Illinois public employees already pay more than that. Teachers contribute 9.4 percent to their pensions, state university employees pay 8 percent, judges pay 11 percent and legislators pay 11.5 percent. State employees pay 4 percent if they also contribute to the Social Security system and 8 percent if they do not.  

But, Wisconsin has paid its annual pension payments rather than skipping them or borrowing money to pay them like Illinois has done.  How has Wisconsin had enough money to make their pension payments?

Individual state income tax rates:

Illinois:  5% (after being 3% for 20 years)

Wisconsin:
-- 4.6 percent on the first $10,070 of taxable income.
-- 6.15 percent on taxable income between $10,071 and $20,130.
-- 6.5 percent on taxable income between $20,131 and $151,000.
-- 6.75 percent on taxable income between $151,001 and $221,660.
-- 7.75 percent on taxable income of $221,661 and above

Illinois has a long way to go to reach the income tax rates of Wisconsin.

Nowhere1111
Nowhere1111

@CharlieMalone @TerryClifton Compare the 2 states in property tax? Sales tax? etc How do they look then?

CharlieMalone
CharlieMalone

@Nowhere1111 

The Tax Foundation comes up with a state comparison based on states individual income tax rates, corporate tax rates, sates tax rates, property tax rates, and unemployment insurance rates.

Illinois comes  out as the 29th best business climate based on those five criteria.  Wisconsin comes out as the 43rd best state.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/2013-state-business-tax-climate-index

But hey, I'm not knocking Wisconsin - at least they pay their bills, and have the best funded state pension system in the country.  But they have the necessary taxes in place to do so.

famulla5
famulla5

According to the TV the FED misunderstood the depth of the economy in 2007 and hence the FED is having with others (USA seems to be controlling all). This is the latest from the BBC and others. Then why did we all go into the dilemma remains unclear? When Federal Reserve policymakers convened in August 2007, one of the nation's largest subprime mortgage lenders had just filed for bankruptcy, and another was struggling to find the money it needed to survive. Officials decided not to cut interest rates. The Fed did not even mention housing in a statement announcing its decision. The economy was growing, and a transcript of the meeting that the Fed published Friday shows officials were deeply sceptical that problems rooted in housing foreclosures could cause a broader "My own bet is the financial market upset is not going to change fundamentally what's going on in the real economy," William Poole, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, told his colleagues at the meeting. “Crisis.” That was on a Tuesday. By Thursday, the European Central Bank was offering emergency loans to continental banks, the Fed was following suit, and an alarmed Poole had persuaded the board of the St. Louis Fed to support a reduction in the interest rate on such loans. The somnolent Fed was lurching into action. "The market is not operating in a normal way," the Fed chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, told colleagues on a hastily convened conference call the next morning. Bernanke, a former college professor and a student of financial crises, was typically understated as he explained that the Fed was pumping money into the financial system because private investors were fleeing. And we are stuck with cashless wallets That I think is cruelty I thank you Firozali A.Mulla DBA








FrankGoudy
FrankGoudy

By the way, why are we talking about gun control or Obama's virtues and faults on this particularly post?

Paul,nnto
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@FrankGoudy Heh-welcome to Swampland.

FrankGoudy
FrankGoudy

You're right, I'm new.  I think I get your point!

Paul,nnto
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@FrankGoudy I said that in the nicest possible way. Things can get a bit out of hand in comments. 

Click on "oldest" and there are some on point comments that you might appreciate. 

CharlieMalone
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Illinois taxpayers saved billions by the State of Illinois not having to pay the employer's 6.2%  into Social Security for the members of the five pension systems. (80% of the people in the 5 pensions are not covered by SS).   Illinois taxpayers also saved billions from the pension payments the State of Illinois skipped many years.   Illinois taxpayers also saved billions from the artificially low 3% tax rate Illinois had for 20 years - and the current 5% rate that is still way lower than the rates of most of its neighboring states.  The State was able to keep low tax rates by not paying into the pension systems like it was supposed to.  Now its getting time to pay up

Nowhere1111
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@CharlieMalone 'Time to pay up'?? Right into BANKRUPTCY! BTW, most public sector retirement plans are outrageously generous! Negotiated by the unions, no wonder.

FrankGoudy
FrankGoudy

This is typical of  journalists who have no knowledge of their topic.  Instead they rewrite other articles and contact only selected people.

The real reason for the Illinois pension crisis is that the state did not contribute its required funding over several decades.  They used the money for their own spending purposes.  The one public fund that was funded by the state is at 83% of actuarial liablity.  Not great, but not a real problem either. Of course, this is never pointed out by the politicians and a shallow writer will never search this out to report it.

An important factor in the Illinois budget crisis is Medicaid.  The liberal MSM will never mention this.  But in Illinois it has grown from $1 billion in 1980 to $6 billion in 2000 to over $14 billion today.  The Governor actually wants to expand the Medcaid roles by some 700,000 people trhough ACA/ObamaCare legislation.  Of course federal dollars are promised but no one knows in the long term what th financial implications will be.  Medicaid is the bull elphant in the room and sucks up more dollars than anything else inlcuding education, prisons, raod - anything.

But the politiicans and media never mention it .  The new PC is to attack public employees.  Such attacks use to come only from the Right but are now hot and heavy from the Left as witnessed by this biased article.

Paul,nnto
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@FrankGoudy But shouldn't the liberal media point out that the federal government pays for 61.4% of the Medicaid costs in Illinois?

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/profileind.jsp?sub=47&rgn=15&cat=4 

FrankGoudy
FrankGoudy

Thank you for pointing out this site.  I noticed that the actual bill for 2010 was $15.3 billion for Medicaid In Illinois.  And no matter where the dollars come from (from taxpayers who actually  pay federal income taxes to support Medicaid and/or those who pay significant Illinois taxes) it is a lot of money and has grown beyond belief.

Just FYI, a state audit report in 2010 found that 70% of those in Medicaid ALLKids program in Illinois were illegal aliens.  The state quite cleverly gets around this by purposely not asking immigration status.  Meanwhile the Democratic Governor is emulating the Wisconisn Governor by going full blast to charge dramatically higher insurance for employees and retirees (although the amounts are never quite verified and it is all tied up in the political process).

paulejb
paulejb

$16.5 trillion in debt with no change in sight and the clueless ideologues of the hive continue to sing, Happy Days are here again...

MrObvious
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@paulejb 


Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....Fresh and Original.

Like the molding rotten carcass of a diminishing party trapped by it's own anti-intellectual design in a world where all the real information is a click away.

You can always fool some people all the time.

SirDonQuixotic
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@paulejb 

"I'm being made a fool of, time to change the subject to something equally off topic and idiotic."

~paulejb

jmac
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paulejb:   " . . . the left wing yahoos here at Swampland . . .

You do a great job of representing today's Republican party, paulejb.  Keep up  the good work.   It's why  you have lost five presidential races (by vote)  in the last six years and how you lost seats in the House and Senate in the last election.   Some Republicans are starting to get the message but we're going to rely on you to keep them on the straight and narrow.  Get on the phone!  Tell Cantor not to cave.   

MarshaMcBlaine
MarshaMcBlaine

@jmac  Do you want the REP  out or in. I am getting dizzy trying to follow you.

jmac
jmac

@MarshaMcBlaine @jmac "If we say anything the Dem attack us like I am a dead person."

  I can see from that one sentence why you are confused.  I'm a democrat (small 'd')  hoping you and paulejb keep ranting the extremist rant so that Democrats can stay in power.  Paulejb and  Fox News are destroying a political party.

paulejb
paulejb

@jmac ,

You people do a great job of representing the Democrat party. Low information voters with nary a clue as the nation declines under the rule of left wing fanatics.

jmac
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@paulejb @jmac David Brooks wrote about you today, paulejb.   He's upset that nasty Obama is picking on the crazy Republicans in the House and Senate in order to get things passed.  Someone wrote this reply to Brooks whining about Obama:  

  " It's basically dating advice, 1950's style, for girls.   Don't let the guy realize how smart you are - maybe smarter than him!  Show interest in the things HE is interested in.  Let him lead the way, even if he's completely off base.  Don't ever correct him, especially not publicly.  Make him look good, always.  And then maybe he'll marry you and you can be this fake for the rest of your life."



paulejb
paulejb

@jmac @paulejb ,

Get what passed? The Democrats have nor passed a budget if four years. They just let spending increase wildly on automatic pilot.

MrObvious
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@paulejb @jmac 

Ironic

You read like a crank. Sometimes it's so unreal and corny that I think you're simply pulling our legs, but at other times you seem so sincerely stupid and fringe.

You are what you eat and when you feed your brain with rightwing blogs all day long and defective arguments from Krauthammer and Rush Limbaugh you read, sound and act like you do; pure juvenile monkey babble.

MrObvious
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@jmac 

Purity leads to better genetic and intellectual results.