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Bill Kristol’s Very Bad Day

Ah, the wages of extremism! Bill Kristol writes yet another editorial trying to scuttle the Chuck Hagel nomination--and even criticizes AIPAC for eschewing public denunciations of Hagel. And then the neocons' last best hope, Chuck Schumer, weighs in.

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Ah, the wages of extremism! First, Bill Kristol writes yet another editorial trying to scuttle the Chuck Hagel nomination–and even criticizes AIPAC for eschewing public denunciations of Hagel. And then the neocons’ last best hope, Chuck Schumer weighs in.

And Schumer, after an extensive interview with Hagel, decides he’s going to support the nomination:

In a meeting Monday, Senator Hagel spent approximately 90 minutes addressing my concerns one by one. It was a very constructive session. Senator Hagel could not have been more forthcoming and sincere.
Based on several key assurances provided by Senator Hagel, I am currently prepared to vote for his confirmation. I encourage my Senate colleagues who have shared my previous concerns to also support him.

Schumer proceeds to reveal the details of the interview–and it seems that Hagel has trimmed his sails to meet official Obama Administration policy on Iran: he now says that all options, including the military option, should be on the table when it comes to Iran’s nuclear program. I think this is counterproductive. Hagel was right when he said, previously, that the military option was potentially disastrous. Obama was wrong when, to please AIPAC in the midst of a political campaign, he took the containment option off the table. (We managed to contain and deter the Soviet Union’s far more threatening arsenal. The Iranian regime knows that any use of a nuclear weapon by the Iranian military or allies like Hizballah would result in total annihilation of their country.)

But that’s not important. We’re in the middle of a negotiation; it’s important for the Iranians to understand that our very patient diplomacy is reinforced by a threat of force.

What is important is that Schumer’s endorsement makes it near-impossible for the neoconservatives to block Hagel’s nomination. And Hagel’s nomination still sends important signals to Israel about our impatience with their West Bank settlement imperialism–and to Iran, that we are serious about finding a solution to this nuclear situation.

29 comments
RoddyPiper
RoddyPiper

Joe Klein....... self-hating Jew.

j.villain1
j.villain1

No matter what Iran does the US will bomb it.  Obama made that clear last year. That will help harden the Democrats against attacks of being soft in 2016. 

The fact that it will back fire badly is really a secondary matter. Like the Iraq war we know ahead of time the evidence presented is fabricated, but killing Muslims is just good politics in the US.

JohnFrum
JohnFrum

The ONLY thing that matters is that Obama and Hagel stop Netanyahu and the Israel Lobby from forcing/mousetrapping the US into an attack on Iran - THAT'S IT. 


It's a 'single issue' 


If an Iran attack is stopped, Israeli Apartheid is without any effective cover and will be taken care of how Apartheid South Africa was taken care of - and then the Israeli Lobby no longer has any cover as well. 


With the Netanyahu-hoaxed/mousestrapped pushing of the US into a war with Iran STOPPED - it's all over for Israeli Apartheid


Let's keep our eye on the PRIZE - it's Iran. The rest are dominoes 

It's formulaic;. Hagel 'ON' = Iran 'OFF' = Israeli Apartheid 'OFF' = Israeli Lobby 'OFF' 


(The Israeli Lobby 'OFF' = the 2nd American Revolution)

sandifjm
sandifjm

I watch Bill Kristol weekly on the Sunday morning talk shows, and he actually seems like a pretty nice guy. He never attacks the other guests or raises his voice, and generally appears as though he's having a pretty good time. But in listening to what he has to say, and certainly reading his articles, I'm struck by just how wrong he is - all the time.  Even people with whom you may disagree with politically will occasionally say something you can get behind - but Bill is batting .000

darmyman
darmyman

Lets see, this reporter (Klein) has to lead a story of his own mentioning another reporter's editorial? LMAO, pathetic. First time I read anything from this waste of a reporter and the last. I feel dumber after reading this and want the few minutes of my life back that was wasted doing so.

carolerae
carolerae

A REALLY GOOD DAY!  I LOVE HAGEL. I STARTED WATCHING HIM ON CSPAN2 YEARS AGO & HE TENDS TO BE BLUNT.  I APPRECIATE THAT IN A PERSON.

tommyudo
tommyudo

I fully expect that the 90 minute Chuck to Chuck session was over a few drinks, talking about each others families,  and a lot of chuckling behind closed doors, with Schumer telling Hagel - "Ok, Chuck, let's make this look good  for the suckers in the main stream media."

Arimathean
Arimathean

Tell me again: Why is it "un-American" to refuse a foreign nation (Israel) carte blanche approval above and beyond the interests of your own country?

shepherdwong
shepherdwong

What's important is that Kristol and the neocons are completely irrelevant. Unless Beltway dinosaurs keep pretending like they aren't.

sacredh
sacredh

"What is important is that Schumer’s endorsement makes it near-impossible for the neoconservatives to block Hagel’s nomination."

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I disagree with that. Schumer is a liberal American of the Jewish faith and they're not exactly in lockstep with the conservative Israeli government. I think any influence on the neocons would be minimal at best. It more likely that the neocons brand Schumer as a traitor.

KevinGroenhagen
KevinGroenhagen

"And Hagel’s nomination still sends important signals to Israel about our impatients with their West Bank settlement imperialism–"

 Due to its increasing irrelevance, Time let several hundred employees go last week. Apparently, that included a few proofreaders.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@Arimathean 

More importantly, why does wanting peace for both Israel and Palestine make you an anti-Semite like so many trolls like to shout about?

Arimathean
Arimathean

Also, AIPAC identifies ITSELF on it's website as a pro-Israel lobby.  I fail to see how rephrasing that as "Jewish lobby" is the harsh sin that Kristol seems to think it is.  It's conceptually incorrect to conflate a nation and a religion, but it's hardly changing the substance of the debate at this point.

stephenthetypewriter
stephenthetypewriter

@shepherdwong Do you really think the neo-cons are dinosaurs? They have only been out of power for five years and will re-enter the White House the next time a Republican wins. Furthermore, I even see Hillary Clinton as willing to work with some neo-con ideas as did Bill.

sacredh
sacredh

They've marginalized themselves because of the company they keep. The Tea Party has energized the base of their party but at the cost of turning the republicans into a regional party on a national level. They're more popular with a shrinking base, but a shrinking base isn't going to put their people in the White House. The President swings the Supreme Court through appointments and the SC is the real power that determines the path the country takes.

outsider
outsider

@sacredh 


And the GOP is still smarting over the election loss, so they'll be tossing up road blocks every step of the way for Obama - no matter what he does. 

Hadrewsky
Hadrewsky

@KevinGroenhagen 

If God was really there and cared about us He would Lobotomize you for the sake of all of us.

Dachman
Dachman

Wanting peace for both does not make anyone an anti-Semite.

Who is shouting that?

fhmadvocat
fhmadvocat

Sacredh,

The ironic thing is that the only thing that unites the Neo-cons and the Tea Party is their hatred of Obama.  The Tea Party is too insular to be concerned with the Neo-cons projection of American power.  To the contrary, if the Tea Party would bother to look at the Neo-cons, they would realize the Neo-cons' objectives require a lot of government spending.  If the Tea Party really wants to take us back to the Founding fathers, they would demand we remove all our troops overseas and get out of any alliance we currently have.

shepherdwong
shepherdwong

@sacredh"They've marginalized themselves because of the company they keep."

That and the fact that the Beltway establishment has finally realized that they're highly-functional psychopaths who have been wrong about everything, including one of the most disastrous and unnecessary wars in American history.

Dachman
Dachman

How is commenting on the person in the article trolling?

Hadrewsky
Hadrewsky

@DonQuixotic @Dachman 


Im all for bombing the Palestinian's into pink slime and I dont think your position is Anti-Semitic

Partially that may because I loathe the modern GOP and am merely the oddball around here that is just fine and dandy with Israel blowing up their neighbors.... And I will always be until Israel becomes as rabidly religiously stupid as their Bronze Age worshiping neighbors.

Sue_N
Sue_N

@Dachman It's a common refrain on the right. Anytime anyone dares criticize God's Holy Chosen Nation™, the right cries anti-semitism.

stephenthetypewriter
stephenthetypewriter

@Dachman The notion of Israeli Imperialism makes me laugh. What about Jordan holding onto half the mandate? What about Iran transforming Syria into a vassel state?

Every border in the middle east is artifical and thus subject to change. Ironic that we never hear comments surrounding British Imperialism in the north of Ireland.  

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@Dachman He isn't commenting on the person in the article but attacking the organization on his forum he happens to spend most of his free time. That my friend is trolling at it's finest.