“We are not a deadbeat nation.”
— In his last press conference of his first term, President Obama today rejected the use of executive action granted through the 14th Amendment to solve the debt ceiling crisis. Obama wants Congress to raise the debt ceiling, so "we can pay our bills."
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TerryClifton
TerryClifton

Obama could stop taking hundreds of billions out of the economy by chilling on his heavy handed regulatory practices. 

mantisdragon91
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@TerryClifton So you'd like us to be like China where the air is unbreathable?

TerryClifton
TerryClifton

@mantisdragon91 @TerryClifton  

Seriously? Is that all you got? Of course not, China has absolutely zero regulations when it comes to air pollution. Currently, we have over 10,000 different regulations dealing with air pollution. 

TerryClifton
TerryClifton

@mantisdragon91 @TerryClifton  

Me too, but there comes a time when you can over-regulate, and the EPA has been guilty of that for many years. They want to close down industry, even after industry follows the rules. Ms. Jackson lost her job because she broke the law, and when those emails come out, it's going to be even more clear that the current EPA has a anti-industry agenda.

outsider2011
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@TerryClifton 


The regulatory practices that got repealed under bush, and allowed the mortgage companies to tank the economy? 

You say you're a libertarian, but you espouse a great many GOP talking points. 

TerryClifton
TerryClifton

On social issues, I'm quite liberal, and on economic and constitutional issues, very conservative. 

TerryClifton
TerryClifton

@outsider2011 @TerryClifton 

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac wrecked the economy. Bush was a serious regulator, look at his record..

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

Why don't I drop you of in Beijing for a few days, and them you can tell us your thoughts on the importance of air quality.

kbanginmotown
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*sigh* And to think that my scroll wheel had finally recovered...

fitty_three
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@kbanginmotown 

I took one look and farted derisively.  I was enjoying the calmer discussions with conservatives who weren't insane.

paulejb
paulejb

"Column: Obama owns the debt now"

'The debt is up about 60% since Obama took office. This can't go on forever.'

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/01/14/debt-deficit-obama-congress/1830363/

Barack Obama spends money like a drunken bridesmaid at Chippendale's.

fhmadvocat
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Wrong Mr. President.  We ar a dead beat nation.  We borrow billions and billions of dollars to pay for things we can't afford.  We have run up a debt which over the long term will not be sustainable.  We have a demographic problem, because as our population ages, we will have more bills for the elderly and not enough workers to pay for them.  We have a special interest problem, because anytime someone suggests cutting spending, some special interest group claims that the spending is absolutely necessary.  We really need to become serious about cutting spending and not using the Social Security "lockbox" to cover up our deficit spending.  We need to really examine what is really necessary and be willing to bit the bullet.  If we need to raise taxes, we should, but not enough to stifle the recovery.  If we need to elimate loopholes, lets do it without the influence of special interests.  In cutting, we must make sure we protect our most vulnerable citizens.  However, we need to cut, and we need to do it gradually so we would shock our system too much.  Winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is a good start.

TerryClifton
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@fhmadvocat  

I just agreed with 99.99% of what you just said..Uh, oh, lol. I would only add that we need to kick the blood suckers/special interest out of Washington, and we must reign in entitlements. One more thing, our foreign policy of bribing countries with money has to end, Now! 

Sue_N
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@TerryClifton @fhmadvocat I'm with you in that we have to severely limit the reach and influence of lobbyists. Seriously, our elected officials need to wear patches like NASCAR drivers so we know who's bought and paid for them.

As for "entitlements," before we start slashing Medicare and Social Security, how about we look into the biggest "entitlement" of all, defense spending?

paulejb
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A belated Happy New Year to all. A dislocated memory card took me right out of the loop on Christmas eve, but I'm back now and ready to go for 2013. 

kbanginmotown
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@paulejb "A dislocated memory card took me right out of the loop..."

Glad you're feeling better. But, what happened to your computer?

fhmadvocat
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Happy New Year Paulie!!  I am glad to have you back!!  This place would be really boring if we couldn't have fun with our conservative friends!!  BTW, for all those Conservatives who were dumb enough to bet on Romney winning the election (you gotta watch something other than Fox), please come back!  I deeply love all my Liberal brothers and sisters, but sometimes the echo chamber is boring and I love a good debate!

fitty_three
fitty_three

@fhmadvocat  

There were conservatives who did debate.

Paulejb just invites debate over his lies.

kbanginmotown
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@fhmadvocat I love a good debate, too, fhmadvocat. Sadly, arguing with Dining Room Tables is not what I consider debate...

paulejb
paulejb

Well, well, well! Our once and future president is sounding more and more like Popeye's friend Wimpy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ6xBaZ92uA

With Barry and Wimpy, Tuesday never comes.

mantisdragon91
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@paulejb Actually the Republican congress trying to welsh on existing debts, by holding the debt ceiling hostage would be a "Wimpy" move. But by all means Happy New Year Paule.

paulejb
paulejb

@mantisdragon91 @paulejb 

The endless plea. "Stop me before I spend again."

La_Randy
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@paulejb @mantisdragon91 "The endless plea. "Stop me before I spend again."

I would not be repeating the republican mantra here. Unless there was a Democratic Party President...Oh wait.

Paul,nnto
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@paulejb @mantisdragon91 Which branch of government controls spending?

You seem to think (or pretend) that it is the Executive branch.