Piers Morgan v. Alex Jones

A debate on gun control quickly becomes heated

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Monday’s Piers Morgan Tonight on CNN should have been titled Morgan vs. Jones and aired on pay-per-view. Alex Jones is a radio host who supports a White House petition to deport Morgan, who is British, for his views on gun control. Since the Newtown, Conn., shooting, Morgan has openly discussed his belief in a nationwide ban on semiautomatic assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, a view Jones vehemently opposes. “1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms,” said Jones. “It doesn’t matter how many lemmings you get out on the street begging for them to have their guns taken! We will not relinquish them! Do you understand?” See Part 1 below:

After a commercial break, Morgan asks Jones for a calm debate. Jones quickly becomes animated and at one point bellows, “I want to get people off pills that the insert says will make you commit suicide and kill people! I want to blame the real culprit. Suicide pills! Mass-murder pills!” Jones later adopts a British accent and calls Morgan a “redcoat” before Morgan can turn to his next guest, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz. See Part 2 below:

Update: The White House petition to deport Piers Morgan has been denied.  White House Press Secretary Jay Carney responded, “Let’s not let arguments over the Constitution’s Second Amendment violate the spirit of its First.”

417 comments
AlpheusWilliams
AlpheusWilliams

Alex Jone just illustrated very very very clearly that he is emotionally unstable and unfit to own a firearm.  For a man who continually goes on about the Constitution he shows enormous contempt for the First Amendment.  All he does here is talk over people in an attempt to stifle intelligent rational debate.  Plus the Hitler collecting guns claim is totally bogus and didn't happen...another fantasy promoted by the NRA.

EliasLopez
EliasLopez

Alex Jones - Once I thought you were a guardian of civil liberties, an advocate against oppression and government tyranny ... But I can see clearly now, realizing that you are nothing more than a incoherent, socially-decrepit lunatic who is incapable of having a decent conversation in which two opposing views can be expressed in a mature and respectful manner. I am embarrassed to have ever supported you and now must reevaluate all of your ideas, teachings and conspiracies that may be pulling my mental faculties into same freak-show circus that I once considered enlightening.


Common sense - there is no justification for an American citizens to own a semi-automatic rifle. The second amendment protects the right to bear arms, not the right to bear radically powerful weapons designed for military combat.

Szerin
Szerin

Jones spouted a lot of false analogies and distorted logic during his rant.  Undoubtedly, some of his views were drawn from the 2004 article by Kleck and Gertz that is widely cited by the NRA.  The Harvard School of Public Health found major problems with Kleck's research and came up with very different conclusions about gun ownership and violent crime. Basically, Kleck grossly overestimated the number of defensive uses of guns to stop an assailant. Also, the Harvard group concluded that there is a strong association between gun prevalence and homicide, suicide, and unintentional gun deaths. Basically, the benefit of more guns to prevent crime is not outweighed by the increase in guns used in crime, and risks in the home of accidental shooting. Another study at Georgetown University concluded that approximately 75% of robberies are committed without the use of a gun and that the defensive gun statistics of Kleck just don't hold up. The authors concluding paragraph states "... many limitations of Lott’s and Kleck’s research indicate that there is no reason to move from the view of guns and violence backed by research in previous decades. Until proven otherwise, the best science indicates that more guns will lead to more deaths." If a clear picture in the gun literature emerges to the contrary I would likely rethink my position, but as it stands, both from a statistical and intuitive perspective, arming teachers is not the answer. Also, if concealed carry was such a deterrent, why did the shootings in Aurora or Tucson happen? It is reasonable to assume that people who are capable of carrying out such acts are not going to be deterred by the threat of armed response. Their intent is to inflict as much damage and suffering as possible before eventually killing themselves or being killed.  So are schools a target because an attacker believes they won't encounter armed resistance?  It seems doubtful.  Schools are a target for the emotional impact the attack will have. So if we arm teachers it is really going to be a deterrent? No. The assailants will just suit up in body armor so that can inflict as much damage as possible before they are killed, meanwhile, the arms escalation will result in even greater numbers of innocent lives lost.  A playground arms race, and more guns, is not the answer.

crazycanuck13
crazycanuck13

Not once did this raving lunatic (Alex Jones) show any compassion for the innocent victims of Aurora, Newtown, or any other mass shooting cities.  It's people like Mr. Jones ( and I use Mr. loosely) who re-enforce the fact the Americans need better gun control, for this lunatic only cares about his own ratings and how loud he can scream.  Hopefully, the majority of Americans don't take this fool too seriously, for it's idiots like this that are a cancer to society.

JayDriscoll
JayDriscoll

In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act!!!!!!!!!!!!!!we are heading towards world tyranny ppl.do ur research and wake up......here in the uk we have more cctv cameras than anywhere alse on earth......and the whole justification is the fake war on terror.....here in the uk u get arrested if u challeng a burgalar in ur home......we have knife crime in abundance a police force in ruins robots for politicans youth who are unruly buisnesses going bust the hsbc bank being fined billions for money laundering to drug lords......the list goes on and on and on!..........alex has a lot of courage.........mainstream media is full of B.s........its time for a revolution of conciousness......when politicans say they are in power u know we are on the wrong track!.........WAKE UP PPL OF THE WORLD!.......

BettyLiberty1
BettyLiberty1

I LOVED this interview! I haven't laughed so much in one night in a very long time. 

They've proven that calm, collected debate of the issues doesn't work. They don't care about statistical facts. A good ol' testosterone-fueled Alex Jones fact-filled, mile-a-minute, crackheaded steamrolling RANT is what they needed and what they got!  Say what you will about Alex Jones.  Love 'em or hate 'em, fact of the matter is Google Trends shows people googling the  word 'Democide' has gone parabolic!

The Powers that Be NEED to know that a big portion of Americans are just as angry and agitated about this issue on the inside, as 'Crazy Conspiracy Theorist' Alex Jones is on the outside.

Molon Labe, mofos!

kbauer
kbauer

Yes thank you WJCampos below - you are right about the Holocaust & gun registration - 

This government is taking steps every day towards TOTAL control along with Obamacare, indoctrination of children in schools, Agenda 21, media Propganda machine owned by foreign banks do not report what's really going on... they are coming for the internet -

Paid shills are Everywhere - including Piers Morgan - people just need to trust their instincts - we all know what's going on .... the 2nd Amendment is our only protection agianst total tyranny.  Sandy Hook, Aurora and 9/11 are all inside jobs to control people.  Sorry it is that EVIL...much scarier than the NRA or one crazy person with a gun - hello ?  this is happening here - now - NDAA is enough to convince me me - Obama lied twice - signed the bill int he middle of the night and fought to uphold the law twice - (Romney is the same) Watch Chris Hedges - watch The Arrivals.  We are under attack NOW.

We all knew Obama would come for the guns and guess what?  he's coming for the guns with fake town halls and 'public input' like fake voting machines...SCYTL.  Reserach it and you tell me where I'm wrong - I wish I was wrong - a year ago I would not believe any of this.

R.Bradley
R.Bradley

NEW PETITION AFTER LAST NIGHTS SHOW---We the people ask the Obama Administration to direct the Federal Bureau of Investigation to undertake an investigation of Piers Morgan, Harry Gerard (Buzz) Bissinger, Abby Huntsman and CNN; covered under Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241—This statute makes it unlawful for two or more persons to conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person of any state, territory or district in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him/her by the Constitution or the laws of the United States, (or because of his/her having exercised the same).— SIGN PETITION HERE
http: //wh.gov/ Pn Yu (remove spaces in url)

campos.walterj
campos.walterj

We still want the idiot pierce, Morgan deported for attacking the 2nd amendment, and Alex Jones you still my hero and didn't have no choice due un respectful Morgan calling idiots other previous guest you place the f........? On your feet well done. And f......... K the NWO?

kbauer
kbauer

Yes SL below - why is the Government tooling up (buying millions and millions) of rounds of hollow point bullets (so heavily) while trying to disarm the pulic - exactly - while expanding weaponized drones.

campos.walterj
campos.walterj

After gun registration come in, the confiscation was next Everyone knows about the Nazi Holocaust directed against Jews, Gypsies, politicals agaist hitler and others, and most people have some awareness of a Turkish genocide against Armenians (1915-1917) and the Cambodian campaign against all educated persons between 1975 and 1979. But official campaigns designed to exterminate all the people in a given group were also carried out in the Soviet Union, in China, in Guatemala (against the Indian population between 1960 and 1981), and in Uganda under the brutal regime of Idi Amin. The total death toll from these episodes of officially-sponsored mass murder? About 56 million human we're exterminated.

duncanscott3
duncanscott3

It was unbelievable to watch this live. I did enjoy the most recent episode of the Smells Like Human Spirit Podcast which broke this down wonderfully.

kbauer
kbauer

What if the Government decides you are unstable because you use the wrong kind of light bulb - like in California you become a criminal for having a fire in your own fireplace.

Or are too old and didn't pay enough carbon tax and after all it is a National Security issue - global warming.

Maybe IPAB (death panel) decides you're too old and for the greater good need to go now - sustainable death. 

This is why Alex Jones was yelling - because he sees what's really going on...and it's can all be verified - take 2 minutes and do your homework...see how many millions of rounds of hollow point bullets the EPA and IRS are buying.

Thank God for Alex Jones.

AM
AM

This gentleman, believes that the louder he speaks people will understand his point. Unfortunately, he is blatant and oblivious that he is exactly the reason why there should be higher gun controls in the united states. He is a bully, which with out a doubt would have threaten Piers with one of his 50 guns if he was given the opportunity. He states that it is the right to hold numerous weapons because of the ten amendments on the bill of rights written in 1791. Which where very different times, the amendment as Jones states, is to protect against government tyranny. My self, not being from the United States, will ask, you think Obama's administration is tyrannical?! if the answer is yes? Then, you live in a sheltered bubble and have no idea what the definition of the word tyrant is. Perfect, defend your right to bear arms, yet why such ease of access to them, why does a civilian need military grade weapons? at what cost?. I do agree with Mr. Jones on one point; Guns don't kill people, people kill people. So why not have a little tougher regulation to seep out those individuals that will inflict harm on society (Columbine, Aurora, Newtown shooters..etc) and jeopardize your right to bear arms.

LoveisMissing
LoveisMissing

Crazy guy that Alex Jones! He's fanatical and in your face attitude doesn't expend anytime listening to anyone but himself or ONLY what he wants to listen to! Noone is taking away any rights to defend yourself, we're just wanting to ban and limit the unappropriate weapons and the non-regulated use of buying ammo--especially online.....has he completely forgot the Newton Massacre and others in the past? My god, NRA, has to realize that money isn't everything, and unfortunately people have gone nuts to buy weapons and ammo in recent weeks, that sales have skyrocketed....it's so very sad and disconcerning that these people do not put themselves in the horrific situation that all those people that are suffering heart-breaking loss every single day of their lives....I pray for our country, which has become "virally" gun crazy......

Leftcoastrocky
Leftcoastrocky

Yes, Alex Jones is a terrifying and a perfect advertisement for gun control.

SteveLauder
SteveLauder

ramonholland The real problem is this: America HAS guns - in fact 88 firearms per 88 people. You can confiscate SOME of those guns, but it's an absolute impossibility to think that the whereabouts of every single firearm is know to the Gov't. There'll still be plenty of guns for criminals intent on harm to get their hands on.

Besides, the hypocricy is repugnant. Bomb Afghanistan and kill 30 childrem nobody cares and no leader is held to account. What give Gov't the moral authority? What has it done to show it can be trusted by a disarmed population? As Jones said, you've got NDAA, Predator drones being authorised for use over civilian skies. He was right - the government is tooling up on a domestic level big time. This is homeland security purchasing 1.6 billion bullets... not Army or marine corps. Why is Gov't tooling up so heavily and concurrently seeking to disarm the population? There's no 'conspiracy theory' in any point I've just raised - it's all verifiable fact. 

mkirkp2
mkirkp2

@EliasLopez If you are going to lie and pretend to have been a follower of Alex's, at least research him a little. Alex talks like this on his radio show daily. This is 100% typical and if had ever listened to him you would know that....and you can't change what can be defined as "arms" just because you want to. Sorry you don't like that part of the constitution, but it is there for a good reason.

crazycanuck13
crazycanuck13

The New World Order is stealing the testosterone from young american males!!!   Martians are living next door to you right now!!!!  Vegetables are being ripped from the ground and murdered everyday, yet the government suppresses their screams!!!!  Are you people for real....what a moronic nation! 

flameworker2
flameworker2

@kbauer  Actually, the only gun legislation that Obama has signed to date was to ALLOW guns in national parks.  If you can prove otherwise, cite your sources.  

crazycanuck13
crazycanuck13

NEW PETITION--Committ Alex Jones NOW and save innocent lives from another gun-totting lunatic.

akeyearea8
akeyearea8

@R.Bradley who conspired to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person of any state, territory or district???? not Alex

Friendyboi
Friendyboi

what about the FIRST AMENDMENT?? isnt he, like you me, and everyone else, protected under that?? He wasnt even attacking the second amendment. He hasnt said we need to give up all of our guns; he is, and has been, simply saying that we need to fix some of the gun laws, or make them more logical - which is clearly evident today. you and the other people who sign that petiton are incredibly smallminded and foolish. i think we have MANY other things going on in this country that are deserving of a petition rather than that. grow up and dont abuse something that the obama administration has put into effect to better give a voice to the American people.

ToeHead
ToeHead

@campos.walterj I like that Alex Jones' followers are consistently as incoherent and deranged as you only because it makes your movement look even more ridiculous.

ToeHead
ToeHead

@kbauer Clearly they are en route any day now to bomb your home.....also, I think you need to tighten the foil around your head. The robots are reading your mind again.

GaryD.Smith
GaryD.Smith

@kbauer They're not, idiot.  Do a little research on non conspiracy-related, non-right-wing BS sites.

ToeHead
ToeHead

@campos.walterj So tell me who exactly we're on the verge of committing genocide against. Also, please let me know why a lot of the nations where these atrocities happened have strict gun control laws and their governments aren't trying to kill them all right this moment. Oh that's right, it's all about preparation against the governments that already have drones, chemical weapons, and nuclear bombs at their disposal. That Glock is really going to help.

kevinm1200
kevinm1200

LoveisMissing,

Colubine happened during Clinton's 'Assualt Weapon' ban. Ft. Hood happened on a  military post which military post have the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation. It is not about guns, its about control of the population. Read about Hitler's rise to power before the Holocaust started but include killing off the old, insane, and those deamed unfit for society. Murderers will murder no matter what the law says. DO you think with banning guns, criminal and murders will obey those laws? Do you trust a Government with gun control that couldn't even control 2500 real assualt weapons, not what the media say are assualt weapons, being sold to the Mexican drug Cartels?  The second Amendment is about the states rights to have an armed militia AND the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

WHat needs to happen is we need to look at what our society has become. I challenge you to research when all these mass murders, all the killings with guns really started to pick up and tell me close it was to when we removed the 'Pledge of Alliegence' from schools and removing the word 'God' from everything. When all this P.C. crap started, American values and morals started the downward spiral.

shaun11b
shaun11b

@LoveisMissing It has nothing what so ever to do with guns. NOTHING!!!!!! And who is to say what is and what is not an appropriate weapon! Almost every time a mass shooting like this occurs, it almost always comes out later that the shooter was on some kind of ssri drug. Millions of people own guns in the nation. WOW! unreal how quick you are to join the ban wagon of gun control. Their is NO DEBATE! WAKE UP!

SteveLauder
SteveLauder

Just one more point I'd like to get off my chest. I agree with all other comments about Jones' cult of personality being a dangerous thing. His behaviour on Piers Morgan's show is indicative of everything bad about him: he takes verifiable facts that people need to question and works them up into something that sounds so hysterical, it stops people looking at the facts in isolation, for what they actually are. I read a transcript of the interview, which when viewed for the words used and not the vitriole behind them, Jones made some really good points. He made some ridiculous ones too, and therein lies the dilemma. 

Take away the foaming-at-the-mouth, ego-the-size-of-a-planet, detestable personality traits out of the equation. Now take away the frenzy he creates around the facts he uncovers... then look at what's left. Underneath it all, he really does cover a lot that people should know about, and should talk about. He gets in the way of any of the issues he raises being taken seriously by the mainstream. As the poster child for the 'truth' movement, he leaves intelligent, reasoned challengers of the status quo all tarred with the same brash, paranoid, delusional brush, when nothing could be further from the truth.

SteveLauder
SteveLauder

I mean 88 firearms per 100 people! oops

mkirkp2
mkirkp2

@crazycanuck13 What nation are you talking about? The commenter's you replied to? Alex's? Yours?

Friendyboi
Friendyboi

@akeyearea8 gee golly, you do realize that hes on your side right, supporting the petition....

But what are your response(s) to my reply back to you about what to do with guns??? Im especiallu currus as to see what you have to say in response to my first question...

akeyearea8
akeyearea8

@Friendyboi I signed it and agree with everything mr. jones said. and I ask you how ? how do we fix the gun laws? , in a way that makes everyone happy. ? the Marines will never register their guns. so how?

ToeHead
ToeHead

@Friendyboi R.Bradley only likes the Constitution when he can benefit from it. Otherwise he'll refute it or contort it.  

kbauer
kbauer

Um .... yes they are buying millions of rounds - DHS, EPA, IRS - hollow point - easy to look up -

and I won't malign you as I have the facts Truth on my side.

Coach63DH
Coach63DH

@kevinm1200 "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently all character training and religion must be derived from faith...we need believing people."------ADOLPH HITLER

ToeHead
ToeHead

@kevinm1200 Well, to be fair we only put "In God we trust" on our currency during the Cold War. That was also the time we added "under God" in there as well. That was not something our founding fathers did.   I mean surely if everyone was told to become Christian and carry a certain set of ideals we would be entirely peaceful.  Oh wait, check all of human history and see how that went down.  Even MORE violence.  I find it interesting that you think that having people say the Pledge of Allegiance lots (which schools already do) and make people talk about God all the time will make us better and then you also bring up Hitler who tried to indoctrinate everyone with his ideas and beliefs. Do you seriously neglect to see the connecting points here? It must be painful to be so obviously stupid and devoid of any sort of logic and have your life run by strange paranoia and conspiracy theories.  If you're going to use a gun, do us a favor and use it on yourself.

vrcplou
vrcplou

@kevinm1200 My understanding is that there were 15 school shootings in the 10 years of the assault weapons ban.  Doesn't seem very effective to me.

GaryD.Smith
GaryD.Smith

@kevinm1200 You should do your own research and stop listening to idiots, because they have infected you with their own brand of paranoid nutjobbery.

ToeHead
ToeHead

@shaun11b @LoveisMissing So what if you could pinpoint people who are on certain psychotropic drugs for treatment of severe mental disorders and not sell them guns?  I guess that's just too radical

mkirkp2
mkirkp2

The 2nd amendment is there for protection from tyrannical government. How is it logical to register the weapons with the potential threat in which we have them for protection from in the first place? Just as good, give the potential tyranny the ability to deem you mentally unfit or a potential terrorist if you disagree with them. Sounds like a society ripe for democide. 

Study history and you can see it has happened over and over and America isn't immune to it. We have to be paying attention. Even if the government of today won't pull anything the government of tomorrow may be different and we need these protections in place for future generations as well. That is actually what is most important to consider.



Friendyboi
Friendyboi

@akeyearea8 honestly, what is SOOO bad about having to register your guns?? Or at least registering your guns with the local PD or county sherrif so they have some idea as to where the firearms are and how much ammo/weapons are present? Thats not taking your guns away ot infringing on any of your rights because youll still have the RIGHT to bear arms.

I honestly have no problem with conceal and carry laws or owning guns, but it is highly important to have some idea as to where the guns are and how much.

And better more thorough background checks should be done, some states only require 48hrs wiat to get a gun....you cant tell me that a thorough and proper background check can be done in 48 hrs or less...

Also, there are psychological tests that could be conducted to see if any red flags can be found to eliminate mentally ill people from (possibly) committing any crimes that could be otherwise prevented.

kbauer
kbauer

FOIA Documents - read them.

Coach63DH
Coach63DH

@kevinm1200 The source for the quote is "The Best Liberal Quotes Ever" written by William Martin on page 275 in the section titled Shocking and Stupid Quotations of the Right.  "...so you obviously didn't see the connecting points either huh?"

kevinm1200
kevinm1200

@Coach63DH  I never mentioned any relation between school and the church in the same sentence. Thats why they were seperated in my comments becuase I did not say there was a relation between school and the church.

WHat is your source for Adolf Hitler, all I could find so far were websites like yahoo.answer, wikipedia but nothing with a .gov or .edu at the end. Do you have an actual printed source?

kevinm1200
kevinm1200

ToeHead,

In God we trust came almost a hundred years prior to the cold war so please try again with that one.

 href="http://www.treasury.gov/about/education/Pages/in-god-we-trust.aspx">http://www.treasury.gov/about/education/Pages/in-god-we-trust.aspx

This is an actual government website of the Treasury. Plus say "in God we Trust" is not meant specifically to Cristians, actually you brought up Christans not me. (Christian pursicution are we?) If it was designed to be for Christians, then it should have said in njesus we trust. With the word 'God' and the official language of America was english, was not identifiable to any one religion.

Please tell me which schools are still saying the pledge of allegience? Can you name them? I can say that all the schools in the last 10 years my kids have gone to, did not say it.

Hitler intruduced his real ideas and indictrinate everyone after he imposed gun control and had total power over their society. Can you tell me why Hitler, prior to the  Holocaust really starting, had individuals disposed of that were acceptable to society? (The old, mentally ill, handicapped) 

So with that, you obviously don't see the connecting points either huh?

kevinm1200
kevinm1200

GaryD.Smith,

Wow, that was such a educated, well written response.