In the Arena

Closing Arguments

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This week’s print column is a look back at the frustrating election that was, and a peek into the future, no matter who wins.

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wilsonj
wilsonj

It is amazing how shallow liberals are. 

Where on earth do you get the proof that Sandy was a result of "global warming?"  Amazing.   The shallow thinking follows to recommend the inexperienced Obama go on and give us 6 trillion more debt!  His Kenyan thinking wants to drag American down to third world status, and he's well on his way. 

And he didn't save Chrysler and\GM, he saved the UAW  who gave him $100M and in return he gave them $28B of our dollars!  Shallow thinking again Klein.

benny
benny

@73yearoldvet. Let's assume Herman Cain is d repubs candidate and Hilary Clinton's the democrats candidate, who do you think will get the black vote? Is Hilary. Blacks always vote for the liberals, the party that represents their interests. Repubs ve been known for over a 100years to pursue policies of inequalities while the liberals promotes equality.

73yearoldVet
73yearoldVet

It's always interesting and telling to see whom our Military Leaders have confidence in as Commander in Chief.

Military Endorsements for Obama and RomneyObama's Military Endorsements:

General Wesley Clark, USA , (Ret)General Colin Powell, USA (Ret)Major General Paul Eaton, USA (Ret)Admiral Donald Gutter, USN, former JAG of the Navy, (Ret)Admiral John Nathman, USN, (Ret) 

Mitt Romney's Military Endorsements:

Admiral James B. Busey, USN, (Ret.)General James T. Conway, USMC, (Ret.)General Terrence R. Dake, USMC, (Ret)Admiral James O. Ellis, USN, (Ret.)Admiral Mark Fitzgerald, USM, (Ret.)General Ronald R. Fogleman, USAF, (Ret)General Tommy Franks, USA , (Ret)General Alfred Hansen, USAF, (Ret)Admiral Ronald Jackson Hays, USN, (Ret)Admiral Thomas Bibb Hayward , USN, (Ret)General Chuck Albert Horner, USAF, (Ret)Admiral Jerome LaMarr Johnson, USN, (Ret)Admiral Timothy J. Keating, USN, (Ret)General Paul X. Kelley, USMC, (Ret)General William Kernan, USA , (Ret)Admiral George E.R. Kinnear II, USN, (Ret)General William L. Kirk, USAF, (Ret)General James J. Lindsay, USA , (Ret)General William R. Looney III, USAF, (Ret)Admiral Hank Mauz, USN, (Ret)General Robert Magnus, USMC, (Ret)Admiral Paul David Miller, USN, (Ret)General Henry Hugh Shelton, USA , (Ret)General Lance Smith, USAF, (Ret)Admiral Leighton Smith, Jr., USN, (Ret)General Ronald W. Yates, USAF, (Ret)Admiral Ronald J. Zlatoper, USN, (Ret)Lieutenant General James Abrahamson, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Edgar Anderson, Jr., USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Marcus A. Anderson, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Buck Bedard, USMC, (Ret.)Vice Admiral A. Bruce Beran, USCG, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Lyle Bien, USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Harold Blot, USMC, (Ret.)Lieutenant General H. Steven Blum, USA , (Ret.)Vice Admiral Mike Bowman III, USN, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Mike Bucchi, USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Walter E. Buchanan III, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Richard A. Burpee, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General William Campbell, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General James E. Chambers, USAF, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Edward W. Clexton, Jr., USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General John B. Conaway, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Marvin Covault, USA , (Ret.)Vice Admiral Terry M. Cross, USCG, (Ret.)Vice Admiral William Adam Dougherty, USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Brett Dula, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Gordon E. Fornell, USAF, (Ret.)Vice Admiral David Frost, USN, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Henry C. Giffin III, USN, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Peter M. Hekman, USN, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Richard D. Herr, USCG, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Thomas J Hickey, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Walter S. Hogle, Jr., USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Ronald W. Iverson, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Donald W. Jones, USA , (Ret.)Vice Admiral Douglas J. Katz, USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Jay W. Kelley, USAF, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Tom Kilcline, USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Timothy A. Kinnan, USAF, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Harold Koenig, M.D., USN, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Albert H. Konetzni, USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Buford Derald Lary, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Frank Libutti, USMC, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Stephen Loftus, USN, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Michael Malone, USN, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Edward H. Martin, USN, (Ret.)Vice Admiral John J. Mazach, USN, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Justin D. McCarthy, USN, (Ret.)Vice Admiral William McCauley, USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Fred McCorkle, USMC, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Thomas G. McInerney, USAF, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Joseph S. Mobley, USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Carol Mutter, USMC, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Dave R. Palmer, USA , (Ret.)Vice Admiral John Theodore "Ted" Parker, USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Garry L. Parks, USMC, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Charles Henry "Chuck" Pitman, USMC, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Steven R. Polk, USAF, (Ret.)Vice Admiral William E. Ramsey, USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Joseph J. Redden, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Clifford H. "Ted" Rees, Jr., USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Edward Rowny, USA (Ret.)Vice Admiral Dutch Schultz, USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Charles J. Searock, Jr., USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General E. G. "Buck" Shuler, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Alexander M. "Rusty" Sloan, USAF, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Edward M. Straw, USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General David J. Teal, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Billy M. Thomas, USA , (Ret.)Vice Admiral Donald C. "Deese" Thompson, USCG, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Alan S. Thompson, USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Herman O. "Tommy" Thomson, USAF, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Howard B. Thorsen, USCG, (Ret.)Lieutenant General William Thurman, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Robert Allen "R.A." Tiebout, USMC, (Ret.)Vice Admiral John B. Totushek, USNR, (Ret.)Lieutenant General George J. Trautman, USMC, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Garry R. Trexler, USAF, (Ret.)Vice Admiral Jerry O. Tuttle, USN, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Claudius "Bud" Watts, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General William "Bill" Welser, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Thad A. Wolfe, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General C. Norman Wood, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Michael W. Wooley, USAF, (Ret.)Lieutenant General Richard "Rick" Zilmer, USMC, (Ret.)Major General Chris Adams, USAF, (Ret.)Rear Admiral Henry Amos, USN (Ret.)Major General Nora Alice Astafan, USAF, (Ret.)Major General Almon Bowen Ballard, USAF, (Ret.)Major General James F. Barnette, USAF, (Ret.)Major General Robert W. Barrow, USAF, (Ret.)Rear Admiral John R . Batlzer, USN, (Ret.)Rear Admiral Jon W. Bayless, USN, (Ret.)Major General John E. Bianchi, USA , (Ret.)Major General David F. Bice, USMC, (Ret.)Rear Admiral Linda J. Bird, USN, (Ret.)Rear Admiral James H. Black, USN, (Ret.)Rear Admiral Peter A. Bondi, USN, (Ret.)Major General John L. Borling, USMC, (Ret.)Major General Tom Braaten, USA , (Ret.)Major General Robert J. Brandt, USA , (Ret.)Rear Admiral Jerry C. Breast, USN, (Ret.)Rear Admiral Bruce B. Bremner, USN, (Ret.)Rear Admiral Thomas F. Brown III, USN, (Ret.)Major General David P. Burford, USA , (Ret.)Rear Admiral John F. Calvert, USN, (Ret.)Rear Admiral Jay A. Campbell, USN, (Ret.)Major General Henry Canterbury, USAF, (Ret.)Rear Admiral James J. Carey, USN, (Ret.)Rear Admiral Nevin Carr, USN, (Ret.)Rear Admiral Stephen K. Chadwick, USN, (Ret.)Rear Admiral W. Lewis Chatham, USN, (Ret.)Major General Jeffrey G. Cliver, USAF, (Ret.)Rear Admiral Casey Coane, USN, (Ret.)Rear Admiral Isaiah C. Cole, USN, (Ret.)Major General Stephen Condon, USAF, (Ret.)Major General Richard C. Cosgrave, USANG, (Ret.)

Since we are limited to 8,000 character I had to delete over 100 additional  Military leaders supporting Romney.

grape_crush
grape_crush

> Republicans will say Obama has been every bit as cynical as Romney, and there have been moments when the Obama campaign has been less than heroic. But we need to be clear about this: there is nothing close to moral equivalency here. The Romney campaign has indulged in many of the worst fantasies promulgated by the GOP's wingnuts, from the Obama "apology tour," which never happened, to blatant misrepresentations of Obamacare and the President's Middle East policy, to the constant undertow of implication that the President is not quite American enough.

This.

outsider
outsider

 Mitt Romney Massachusetts Budget Targeted Programs For Poor, Disabled

WASHINGTON -- Over the past month, Mitt Romney touted similarities between the fiscal mess he inherited as Massachusetts governor and the current U.S. budget deficit, arguing that he reached bipartisan solutions to his state's problems and would do so again if elected president. His campaign bills the new theme as Romney's "closing argument" for the 2012 race, and presented it at all three presidential debates, in swing-state television ads and on the stump.

"I was elected as a Republican governor in a state with a legislature that was 85 percent Democrat," Romney said last week outside a construction services company in Ames, Iowa. "We were looking at a multi-billion dollar budget gap. But instead of fighting with one another, we came together to solve our problems."

A detailed Huffington Post review of Romney's budget proposals from his first year in office, however, reveals that he advocated deep cuts to programs serving the state's most vulnerable -- even when those cuts had little effect on the state's fiscal position. Romney's aggressive reductions to social programs did not earn support across the aisle. The state legislature ended up overriding more than 115 Romney vetoes in his first year as governor.

"There was no magic in the Romney approach," recalled former Democratic state Rep. Dan Bosley. It was "cut as many social programs as you can." Bosley added: "If we didn't override every one of his vetoes, we overrode most of his vetoes. … There wasn't a bipartisan effort to run government."

Romney targeted many programs that had been historically supported by both parties. He pushed to eliminate or gut more than 20 state programs serving veterans, disadvantaged children, and adults with severe physical disabilities. He also sought to cut money for breast cancer screenings, suicide prevention and programs that assisted the blind and the deaf.

These cuts would have totaled $26.8 million -- 2.2 percent of the $1.2 billion state budget deficit that Romney inherited upon taking office. None of these cuts were necessary for balancing the state's budget. All were overriden by the Democratic state legislature, and the state still closed its budget gap with room to spare.

Since these cuts were never enacted, Romney can technically tout a bipartisan budget record. The legislature eventually approved a budget that eliminated the deficit by closing tax loopholes for corporations, cutting other spending, and raising tolls and licensing fees. But Romney's unimplemented proposals reflect priorities reminiscent of the GOP federal budget proposed by his running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), which would slash food stamps, health care for poor children, public housing and other aid to the needy.

Some of Romney's proposals never made it to the veto stage. Massachusetts state Rep. Patricia Haddad (D-Somerset) recounted a 2003 hearing of the Public Health Committee, in which the Romney administration was seeking to impose spending caps on various programs, including one providing ventilators to sick people at home.

"I asked the chairman, 'When you cap this service, do they turn off the ventilators?'" Haddad told HuffPost. "So the chairman asks the question. You had to see the faces on the other side of the table. They didn't have an answer. No one had thought that out."Haddad said that while she had worked comfortably with previous Republican governors, Paul Cellucci and Jane Swift, Romney's inattention to budgetary detail was reflected in his personal relationship with lawmakers.

"You couldn't use the elevator next to his office," Haddad said. "It just sat there unused all day in case he needed to go up or down, because God forbid he should get stuck in there with one of us. It became a joke. You had to find it amusing, because otherwise it was very insulting."

During his first year in office, the state legislature overrode Romney vetoes that would have imposed cuts of $7.5 million for children and young families, $3.8 million in mental health services, $2.8 million for cervical cancer and breast cancer detection and research, $1.1 million in services for people with physical disabilities and $1 million for veterans.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/01/mitt-romney-massachusetts-budget-_n_2051922.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

73yearoldVet
73yearoldVet

I have a question for Joe Klein or perhaps some other swamp-liberal if Joe doesn't have the courage to provide an answer.

Why do Liberals and black leaders claim that if whites vote for a candidate because they are white they are a racist but if blacks vote for Obama because he is black they are not racist. I find this a little confusing.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

Could someone explain to me the rationale behind the Right's believe that there's some big liberal Mainstream Media working around the clock for Democrats?  If media conglomerates wanted to back a candidate, wouldn't they want to back the party that is heavily pro-corporations?  What is the basis for this support?  

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@wilsonj Nice lie you got there. Sandy's damage can be directly traced to rising sea levels which are a result of climate change. And last time I checked both Chrysler and GM are still alive and employing hundreds of thousands, while the UAW has had to make huge concessions and accept drastically lower pay for new employees.

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

@73yearoldVet OTOH, there are those who differ. 

"The involvement of retired officers, even though no longer in service, has troubled some military leaders and specialists in civilian-military relations, who worry that it risks diluting public faith in the armed forces. Among them is Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, who has expressed concern about the anti-Obama SEALs group.“If someone uses the uniform, whatever uniform, for partisan purposes, I am disappointed, because I think it does erode that bond of trust we have with the American people,” he told Fox News.

Mr. Feaver agreed. “The more you do this, the more you make the military look like a partisan political institution, and that’s a good way to undermine confidence in the military,” he said.

Mr. Feaver worked on the National Security Council staff under Mr. Clinton and President George W. Bush, and he currently moderates a blog of former Bush administration officials who are often critical of Mr. Obama. The study was financed in part by Duke’s American Grand Strategy program and by the Center for a New American Security, a Washington research organization founded by centrist Democrats who later joined Mr. Obama’s administration."

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/military-endorsements-hold-greater-benefits-for-democrats-study-finds/

Active military seem to feel differently. Of course they're the ones who will be killed when Romney listens to Bolton et al and gets into war with Iran.

"President Obama has been commander-in-chief for over three years and military personnel seem to appreciate HIS service. They are contributing to his re-election campaign at five times the rate that they’re contributing to Mitt Romney’s. Army employees—the ‘boots on the ground’—have been especially generous, contributing $108,571 to the President while giving only $22,004 to his opponent."

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/29/military-donations-to-obamas-campaign-dwarf-romneys-numbers/

Sue_N
Sue_N

@outsider2011 The man really is a cold, soulless SOB.

Of course, wouldn't it have been nice if our professional political press corps had done its homework and reported on this kind of stuff back when Willard first stepped into the limelight? You know, actually looked at the guy's record as governor of a state and let everyone know what that record was?

Jeesh.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@73yearoldVet  I'll actually take the opposite tack. I would say you are racist if you vote against as opposed to for somebody because of the skin color. With that being the case I will say flat out that many states that traditionally vote Republican are full of racists.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@73yearoldVet 

What a dumb question; because voting for someone who care for their issues (and knows them) is not the same as voting for someone who might be voting simply against someone because they don't like their skin color.

See a black person voting for another is one of maybe voting for someone they can relate too and it's not 'hatred' of the opposite person (I mean it still can but it's not implicit). But there are those who outspokenly vote against Obamas otherness (such as birthers) under circumspect reasoning.

I hope this should be obvious for you after your 73 years of being so wise and awesome but I guess I shouldn't be so naive.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@73yearoldVet It's who you won't vote for rather than who you will vote for that's the issue.  Most black people don't have a problem believing that Mitt Romney is qualified, they just don't think he'll represent them as well as someone who may have experienced their life.  Far too many who vote for Romney feel that Barack Obama is unqualified (or even dangerous) because he's black.

I'm generally not too concerned about these people, though, because I'm fairly sure most of them would've voted Republican even if it was a white man and I agree that it isn't fair to necessarily label them racist because at the end of the day, race probably didn't change their vote.  But there is a general feeling that the level of their opposition to Obama and the tone they give to it and many of the (often insanely unfair) accusations they level at him are based around racism.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@73yearoldVet 

Looks like we've pushed 73yearoldVet too hard and now his bigotry is showing.  Flagged.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

@DonQuixotic Because Fox News is fair and balanced and the other MSM outlets don't give nearly as much time to the Republican argument as Fox therefore they must be biased towards the Democrats.  Obviously

73yearoldVet
73yearoldVet

@DonQuixotic  

Obviously you live in a very small bubble. MSM is run almost exclusively by Liberals.

outsider
outsider

@forgottenlord @73yearoldVet 

I'm not weighing in on 3x's racism or lack thereof - but i will say, that since the primaries started, he supported Romney. 

That some of his comments have since subsequently mirrored Paulies and a few other degenerates is more about ideology than racism in my opinion. But that's just my opinion. 

I'm not defending you 3x; but i will state that you have been pro Romney since before he got the nomination. 

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@forgottenlord @DonQuixotic 

I know the answer of course, it's a way to conveniently deflect and deny reality.  Some bad detail about your candidate comes out?  They say something stupid to the media?  Hey, it's liberal bias!

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@73yearoldVet @DonQuixotic 

Why?  Wouldn't it be in their best interest to support the party that is high pro-corporations?  You guys never have an answer for this because you just don't like it when your candidates put their foots in their mouth and the media reports it, or when the truth comes out for that matter.

outsider
outsider

@73yearoldVet @outsider2011 @forgottenlord 

You're welcome.

It's the truth. And too often truth gets lost in spin. 

I do not think Romney can or would lead the US in any viable fashion. But i believe in your right to choose to believe in him yourself. 

dawnorthen
dawnorthen

@73yearoldVet @dawnorthen @Tero @DonQuixotic oh, i gave the impression i didnt think theres racism on both sides? im terribly sorry - yes i do agree that there are racists on both sides. there are black persons who have a loathing of white persons, and vice versa. but the problem with what youre saying, is that most black persons in power are racist towards white persons. THAT is wrong and what i vehemetly disagree with,.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@73yearoldVet @DonQuixotic @dawnorthen @Tero 

"In reality it is the difference in political views of what is in the best interest of the country and our citizens that is driving the supporters of Obama and Romney and it has very little to do with racism."

"Yes Obama has that all American team of Liberals, Blacks and the entitlement crowd."

So I guess you can't see the contradiction.  I'm not surprised.  It's good to see that you're not denying that you're a racist though.

73yearoldVet
73yearoldVet

@DonQuixotic @73yearoldVet @Tero  

I never said anything about everyone but me being a racist. Those are your words not mine.

I ask a simple question. You and your liberal friends are the ones always playing the race card.

Maybe you should get a real life outside your little liberal bubble.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@73yearoldVet @dawnorthen @Tero @DonQuixotic 

"In reality it is the difference in political views of what is in the best interest of the country and our citizens that is driving the supporters of Obama and Romney and it has very little to do with racism."

"Yes Obama has that all American team of Liberals, Blacks and the entitlement crowd."

Do you see the contradiction here?

73yearoldVet
73yearoldVet

@dawnorthen @Tero @73yearoldVet @DonQuixotic  

dawn,

If you were willing to be honest you would agree with me that there are racist on both sides but they are only a small part of either side.

In reality it is the difference in political views of what is in the best interest of the country and our citizens that is driving the supporters of Obama and Romney and it has very little to do with racism.

73yearoldVet
73yearoldVet

@Tero @73yearoldVet @DonQuixotic  

Not true. There are racist in the minority community who are racist against whites. This is also true among the liberal communities. Their beliefs in white guilt is an example of racism.

dawnorthen
dawnorthen

@Tero @73yearoldVet @DonQuixotic for the most part yes... but anyone with half a brain knows that 'voting for nobama' is just someone who doesnt want a black man in office. i know some people who legitimately want romney on the throne, they have some good rhetoric to support them. and i know others who want nobama on the throne, and they refuse facts of ll shapes and sizes.

dawnorthen
dawnorthen

@73yearoldVet @DonQuixotic do you have answers, big man? or are you just, by upbringing and nature, a very racist creature who i am ashamed to call 'human'?

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

@73yearoldVet @DonQuixotic 

First of all, I'm not claiming that white voters are voting for Mitt Romney because he is white.  Some may do that, perhaps (there are fringes in every party), but I'm sure the majority do not.  If you are claiming the same about black people voting for Barack Obama (which seems to be the case) then yes, you are racist.  You're generalizing.  It's a childish, racist argument.

dawnorthen
dawnorthen

@DonQuixotic @73yearoldVet truth? TRUTH? YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH coincidentally, neither can they. 'you people', the ones miss 'this is hard' anne (or is it ann?)  think should vote romney because its 'his turn'.