Sandy Sidelines Obama and Romney, but Campaign Spins On

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PABLO MARTINEZ MONSIVAIS / AP

President Barack Obama steps off Air Force One upon his arrival at Andrews Air Force Base on Oct. 29, 2012

It takes a mighty big storm to close schools, tunnels and nuclear power plants along the East Coast. But it takes a true meteorological monster to slow down presidential-campaign operations a week before Election Day.

Hurricane Sandy has done all of the above.

As high winds and heavy rain lashed states from Virginia to New York on Monday, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney canceled campaign events, suspended fundraising e-mails and hunkered down for a storm that could have significant political implications.

Obama aborted swings through Florida and Ohio on Monday, leaving the stump speeches to former President Bill Clinton in order to return to Washington to monitor the federal government’s emergency response. (Clinton didn’t seem to mind too much.) “The President’s focus is on the storm and governing the country and making sure people are safe,” Obama campaign manager Jim Messina said in a conference call with reporters.

image: Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney gestures while speaking at campaign stop at Avon Lake High School in Avon Lake, Ohio, on Oct. 29, 2012.

Charles Dharapak / AP

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney speaks at a campaign stop at Avon Lake High School in Avon Lake, Ohio, on Oct. 29, 2012

Romney pressed ahead with campaigning in Ohio and Iowa early Monday but scrapped planned appearances in Wisconsin, Virginia and New Hampshire. Both candidates have cleared their schedules for Tuesday. “Governor Romney believes this is a time for the nation and its leaders to come together to focus on those Americans who are in harm’s way,” communications director Gail Gitcho said. A Romney campaign bus in Virginia loaded up with supplies on Sunday to deliver after the hurricane hits.

But as the candidates pulled off the trail — “out of sensitivity,” as Gitcho put it — the campaign spin continued at gale force, relying on ads and surrogates to deliver closing messages. In a last-minute play for crucial Ohio, Romney released a new ad on Monday seeking to turn the issue of the auto bailout, one of the President’s biggest selling points in the Rust Belt, against the incumbent.

“Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China,” the ad’s narrator says. “Mitt Romney will fight for every American job.” A quick fact-check: Romney also called for major automakers to go through bankruptcy in 2009, it is not unusual for Chrysler to produce Jeeps for Chinese consumption in China, and a Detroit News op-ed cited favorably in the ad criticized Romney for his “wrong-headedness on the auto bailout.” “It reeks of desperation because that’s what it is,” Messina said.

Meanwhile, the hurricane has unearthed old political controversies. The Huffington Post highlighted a comment from a GOP primary debate in which Romney suggested disaster relief should be more of a state responsibility. “Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction,” he said. Democrats sought to use the remark against Romney just as state and federal emergency response kicked into high gear.

For all the sniping, Romney and Obama tried to remain above the fray. At a midday news conference Monday at the White House, Obama gravely warned citizens not to ignore emergency officials. “Don’t pause, don’t question the instructions that are being given, because this is a serious storm,” he said. Asked about the campaign, the President claimed it wasn’t on his mind. “The election will take care of itself next week.”

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Sandyone
Sandyone

Romney on Sandy:"What’s the problem? My house is flooded and totally destroyed. Who really needs FEMA?.I don't. Ryan voted to cut it's funding 7 times. He must know something! Heck, I’ll just buy another one or two replacement houses” “I don’t understand, I just don’t get it. Why can’t you just ask your father to do that for you?”

AbrahamYeshuratnam
AbrahamYeshuratnam

It is the primary duty of any president to help flood victims and Obama shouldn't attempt to get publicity at election time. Red Cross address shouldn't be converted into an election speech. What has Obama done all these four years to get reelected? Like the floods of monster storm Sandy, American cities are today flooded with illegal immigrants, after Obama gave them green signal, at a time when thousands of American boys and girls are without jobs. America is also submerged in $ 16 trillion debt borrowed from other countries, especially China. Economic recession, mass unemployment, total failure in foreign policy (the turmoil we see in the Middle East today) .The murder of the American ambassador is a national humiliation like 9/11. . President Magarief of Libya says deadly attack on US Consulate was 'pre-planned act of terrorism,' not reaction over film. During Obama presidency, America lost its status as a superior power. Clinton intervened in Serbia despite opposition by Russia and China. But Obama is not allowed to stop the bloodbath in Syria by Beijing and Moscow. Cameron and Sarkozy intervened on time and saved thousands of innocent lives. If Obama does not have the guts to stop the massacre in Syria, he could have armed and aided Turkey and the rebels. Taking advantage of the impotence of Obama, Ahmadinejad has the temerity to send Iranian troops to Syria, calling them 'advisers.' As In the first two years of their joint reign Obama and Bernanke have waged a hidden inflation war on the middle class that has fleeced more wealth from folks on Main Street than the previous 20 years. These two men, along with their cohorts in D.C. and at the Fed, have set America on a road to financial perdition and economic ruin.

outsider
outsider

“Gov you’ve been asked 14 times, why are you refusing to answer the question?”

Romney won’t answer because he can’t. We saw him pivot to the center, to become the white Barack Obama, in the three debates, as he realized his unpopular policies and his contempt for 47 percent of the country was dooming his presidential bid. He’s got no standing now to talk about how he’d handle this disaster. The heroes of Sandy, so far, are the first responders, the cops and firefighters and emergency technicians, the folks evacuating patients from hospitals and trapped citizens from flooding. These are the people who’ve been demonized by Republicans for the last two years: the public workers who have become the new “welfare queens.” When Obama pushed a jobs bill that would have helped states and cities avoid laying off such workers, GOP Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell derided it as a “bailout,” and Paul Ryan, of course, voted against it.

To top it all off, George W. Bush’s laughable FEMA director, “Heck of a job, Brownie” Michael Brown, is criticizing Obama for reacting too quickly to Sandy. Are Democrats paying Brown to remind voters of the contrast between Obama’s quiet competence and Bush’s disastrous handling of Katrina?

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/30/mitt_romney_the_hollow_man/

outsider
outsider

If President Obama wins with the help of Latino voters, he will have a strong mandate to create clear and lasting immigration reform. And Republicans will have to think twice before hitching their futures on the politics of demonization and exclusion.

In case you tuned out Romney's appeals to the anti-immigrant right during the primaries, here's a quick recap. He ran ads specifically criticizing Sonia Sotomayor, the first Latina Supreme Court justice. He says he'd veto the DREAM Act, a rare immigration provision with overwhelming bipartisan support. He took on anti-immigrant leader Kris Kobach, architect of the draconian anti-immigrant measures in Arizona and Alabama as an adviser, then said his immigration plan was to force undocumented immigrants to "self-deport." He even endorsed Iowa Rep. Steve King, who suggested building an electric fence at the Mexican border, comparing immigrants to "livestock" and "dogs." Romney's new attempts to appeal to Latino voters are clearly empty -- he's already promised the right that he will use their anti-immigrant rhetoric whenever it's convenient and shut down any reasonable attempts at immigration reform.

If President Obama wins reelection, however, we have a real chance for real immigration reform. He told the Des Moines Register last week that if reelected he will work to achieve immigration reform next year. Beyond incremental steps like his institution of part of the DREAM Act by executive order, real comprehensive immigration reform would finally ease the uncertainty of millions of immigrants and the businesses that hire them. It's something that George W. Bush and John McCain wanted before it was thwarted by extremists in their own party. It's something that Mitt Romney clearly won't even try.

If President Obama wins, and especially when he wins with the help of Latino voters turned off by the GOP's anti-immigrant politics, he will have a strong mandate to create clear and lasting immigration reform. And Republicans will have to think twice before hitching their futures on the politics of demonization and exclusion. Whereas George W. Bush won 44 percent of the Latino vote in 2004 and John McCain 31 percent in 2008, Mitt Romney is polling at just 21 percent among Latinos. That's no coincidence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-b-keegan/the-gop-pays-the-big-pric_b_2042794.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

outsider
outsider

For you, Rusty:

A New York Times editorial published online on Monday night ripped the argument Mitt Romney made for shutting down the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) last year at a debate during the GOP presidential primary season.The NYT editorial board said of Romney's remarks:

Mr. Romney not only believes that states acting independently can handle the response to a vast East Coast storm better than Washington, but that profit-making companies can do an even better job. He said it was “immoral” for the federal government to do all these things if it means increasing the debt.

As superstorm Sandy threatened the East Coast on Sunday night, HuffPost's Ryan Grim reported on the comments in question from the debate.

Asked at the 2011 event if FEMA should be shut down so that states could take the lead on disaster response, the former Massachusetts governor said, "Absolutely." He continued, "Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that's even better. Instead of thinking, in the federal budget, what we should cut, we should ask the opposite question, what should we keep?"

Pressed on the issue of disaster relief specifically, Romney said he believes it's "immoral" for the federal government to take action if it means "[racking] up larger and larger debts."

The NYT editorial board criticized the case made by the Republican presidential contender in no uncertain terms:It’s an absurd notion, but it’s fully in line with decades of Republican resistance to federal emergency planning. FEMA, created by President Jimmy Carter, was elevated to cabinet rank in the Bill Clinton administration, but was then demoted by President George W. Bush, who neglected it, subsumed it into the Department of Homeland Security, and placed it in the control of political hacks. The disaster of Hurricane Katrina was just waiting to happen.

The Romney campaign sought to do damage control after the presidential candidate's remarks on FEMA resurfaced on Sunday night. An official said, "Gov. Romney wants to ensure states, who are the first responders and are in the best position to aid impacted individuals and communities, have the resources and assistance they need to cope with natural disasters."

HuffPost's Jason Cherkis reports:

Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney argues that federal disaster response should be handled at the state level, but when disaster struck Massachusetts, he was missing in action, according to some of the state's local politicians.

On Oct. 9, 2005, heavy rain storms caused the Green River to rise to historic levels and begin flooding into Greenfield, Mass. The flooding destroyed a trailer park and demolished swaths of low-income housing. Roads were impassable. The flood waters submerged the town's water treatment plant.

As the rain fell and the Green River rose, Greenfield's then-Mayor Christine Forgey tells The Huffington Post that she did not hear from Romney. About 75 people, including many retirees, lost their homes in the trailer park, she says. Still many more were displaced. Forgey says a resident opened up the high school and used it as a crisis shelter. A radio station launched a food and clothing drive and the Red Cross provided services.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/30/mitt-romneys-argument-for_n_2042896.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

outsider
outsider

Mitt Romney refused to answer reporters' questions about how he would handle the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), after a Tuesday "storm relief" event in Ohio for Hurricane Sandy.

From the Romney pool report:

TV pool asked Romney at least five times whether he would eliminate FEMA as president/what he would do with FEMA. He ignored the qs but they are audible on cam. The music stopped at points and the qs would have been audible to him.

A follow-up report noted the specific questions Romney ignored, as he was collecting hurricane supplies following his event:

"Gov are you going to eliminate FEMA?" a print pooler shouted, receiving no response.Wires reporters asked more questions about FEMA that were ignored.Romney kept coming over near pool to pick up more water. He ignored these questions:"Gov are you going to see some storm damage?""Gov has [New Jersey Gov.] Chris Christie invited you to come survey storm damage?""Gov you've been asked 14 times, why are you refusing to answer the question?"

During a GOP primary debate last year, Romney had said he supported the idea of states and private sector groups taking over responsibility for disaster relief, adding that he would "absolutely" shut down FEMA.

"Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction," he said. "And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that's even better. Instead of thinking, 'In the federal budget, what we should cut?' we should ask the opposite question: 'What should we keep?'"

"We cannot -- we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids," Romney continued, when asked specifically about disaster relief. "It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we'll all be dead and gone before it's paid off. It makes no sense at all."

He hasn't checked with his focus group yet; but probably figures they would support funding for FEMA today. He just doesn't want to confirm until he asks. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/30/mitt-romney-fema_n_2044213.html

LiberalLies2012
LiberalLies2012

The wonderful world of Barack Obama's FEMA.  "Just use your laptop".

A call to FEMA’s news desk, however, found even they didn’t have any non-Internet information readily available beyond suggestions that people call 911 in an emergency. When asked where folks should turn for information if they have no power, a FEMA worker said, “Well, those people who have a laptop with a little battery life on it can try that way. Otherwise, you’re right.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83024.html#ixzz2Anr3FTyT

outsider
outsider

Ouch:

WASHINGTON -- Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney argues that federal disaster response should be handled at the state level, but when disaster struck Massachusetts, he was missing in action, according to some of the state's local politicians.

On Oct. 9, 2005, heavy rain storms caused the Green River to rise to historic levels and begin flooding into Greenfield, Mass. The flooding destroyed a trailer park and demolished swaths of low-income housing. Roads were impassable. The flood waters submerged the town's water treatment plant.

As the rain fell and the Green River rose, Greenfield's then-Mayor Christine Forgey tells The Huffington Post that she did not hear from Romney. About 75 people, including many retirees, lost their homes in the trailer park, she says. Still many more were displaced. Forgey says a resident opened up the high school and used it as a crisis shelter. A radio station launched a food and clothing drive and the Red Cross provided services.

New Hampshire had faced the same flooding. It's damage was worse. Gov. John Lynch, a Democrat, called up the National Guard and cut short a trip to Europe to return to his state so he could oversee the flood response.

Forgey, according to press accounts, tried to get Romney on the phone, but she only got as far as a the Lieutenant Governor's chief of staff. She and others started complaining to the press in the hopes of getting the governor's attention.

The town could handle distributing donated shirts and juice. But Greenfield, with its population of 18,000, couldn't repair this level of loss, which had been estimated to exceed $1 million. Forgey said she needed the state government to respond and for Romney to declare an emergency. But for days, Greenfield residents were on their own, with limited outside help. "We really didn't get the response we were looking for," she says. "I had to declare a state of emergency ... We really needed help desperately, desperately."

On the first day, Forgey says she did not hear from Romney. Nor the second day. Nor the third.

Romney wasn't in Massachusetts when the flood hit, and the emergency did not alter his plans. The Associated Press reported at the time that the governor had been scheduled to speak to an economic club in North Carolina. "If the governor thought for one second he was needed here today, he would be there," a spokesperson told the AP.

Seven years later, Forgey still brings up Lynch's leadership as an example that Romney should have followed. "You can imagine the level of frustration as a mayor on a local level and people are saying please help us and your hands are tied," she said. "I wished that Governor Romney had taken a page from Governor Lynch's book and basically paid attention to what was happening in Western Massachusetts. Government is here to help people, especially in disasters."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/mitt-romney-disaster-response-massachusetts-_n_2041142.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

outsider
outsider

WASHINGTON -- If it had been up to Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan, disaster response agencies would likely face lower funding to handle the huge costs of dealing with storms such as Hurricane Sandy, a review of his much-touted budget shows.

The budget plan put forward by Ryan as chairman of the House Budget Committee requires massive cuts to discretionary spending, which includes everything but entitlements. Those cuts would almost certainly extend to the Department of Homeland Security and its disaster relief programs under the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

The ounce of doubt remains because Ryan's budget proposal doesn't include any specifics on FEMA itself. But it also doesn't exempt FEMA or Homeland Security from the standard cuts that it broadly applies to government services. The budget does exempt the military from many cuts. The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities wrote in August that Ryan's budget would likely dump the cost of dealing with disasters on state and local governments.

That's in line with a policy prescription advocated by Mitt Romney at a GOP candidates' debate last year, in which he said it was "immoral" for the federal government to play a significant role in disaster relief at a time of high budget deficits. Pressed by CNN moderator John King on whether he'd really send disaster relief to the states, he replied, "It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we'll all be dead and gone before it's paid off. It makes no sense at all."

While the opacity of Ryan's budget makes a definitive statement impossible, the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities noted that cuts to FEMA would be in line with his general budgetary approach. "This form of discretionary federal aid would be subject to cuts under the Ryan budget," the center wrote. "If it were scaled back substantially, states and localities would need to bear a larger share of the costs of disaster response and recovery, or attempt to make do with less during difficult times."

Third Way, a moderate think tank, wrote in March that the Ryan budget would cut funding by 62 percent for community and regional development, including disaster aid and insurance.

"This would mean less accurate predictions and planning for disasters, less preparation that can reduce the severity of their impact, and less timely responses," according to the Third Way memo. "It would set the clock back on disaster preparation to the days before Hurricane Katrina."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/paul-ryan-budget-fema_n_2040878.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

sacredh
sacredh

No new threads and it's onlt 1 week until the election. My guess is that we'll see a bunch and most will deal with the effects of Sandection.

outsider
outsider

So one of Mitt Romney’s closing plays is that he’s the great conciliator. He released an ad several days ago and has been hitting the theme ever since, arguing that we need (as Romney said in the first debate, quoted in the ad) “leadership that … could not care less if it’s a Republican or a Democrat” that said leader is working with. With this, Romney makes the full leap into Orwell-land, but with signs that some folks actually buy or at the very least want very much to believe this, it’s important to point out to those voters the precise nature of this con game.

Presidential candidates always promise that they’re going to change the tone in Washington. They have to. The media demand it. Polls show them that independent and swing voters (two different things, really; the latter is a subset of the former) yearn for it. Their advisers tell them that’s how they win over the undecideds. Also, and crucially, they come equipped with egos that permit them to convince themselves that they are unique among men, and they can indeed change this “tone.”

Barack Obama ventured further than most down this boulevard of broken dreams. He had an analysis, you see: The right hated the Clintons because of certain things the Clintons represented about the ’60s because the Clintons were products of that generation. Since Obama wasn’t a product of that generation, it wouldn’t be so bad for him. He believed it. I believed it too. In a career sprinkled with its share of shoddy predictions, I think that one may have been my worst.

While Obama and I were believing—on Inauguration Day 2009, say—that things would be different, key Republicans were meeting in a restaurant not far from the very mall where the celebrations had taken place that day. They agreed, wrote Robert Draper in his book Do Not Ask What Good We Do, that very night to oppose Obama with all they had. Within the month, the Tea Party movement was born, and compromise with Obama became the moral equivalent of shaking hands with the devil.

The particulars of the ongoing opposition are well-known enough that I needn’t rehearse them all. Suffice it to say that the GOP of this Congress set records on Senate filibusters real and threatened, and en bloc (or almost en bloc) no votes. There’s never been a Congress like these past two, especially since the GOP took over the House.

Obama has tried from the start. The stimulus bill was about 38 percent tax cuts. You’d think Republicans might have gone for that. The individual mandate came from the Heritage Foundation. He cut payroll taxes (Republicans did end support for that, but only after the ludicrousness of their initial opposition to a tax cut became too much to endure). And more. But they said no every step of the way—even breaking from the precedent of Congress raising the debt limit more than 70 times since the 1940s. Now it was deemed acceptable to tie that increase to other matters and even, for the first time in history, to filibuster it.

No, no, no, no, no. And then, come 2012, they turn around and say, “See? Obama failed to unite this country.” They say it’s because he pursued a hard-left agenda, but that’s not true and they know it’s not true. What they know to be true is that most centrist voters will believe them, because the mood in Washington is still toxic and the president promised to fix that, by cracky.

All of that, we’ve known. But now comes the new twist. Now Romney gets to come in and say, “I will be a conciliator.” Perversely, there is a potential grain of truth to the claim, but only because Democrats in opposition don’t behave in the Leninist fashion that Republicans do. (I have demonstrated this numerically—41 percent of congressional Democrats supported George W. Bush on his four major legislative initiatives, while 6 percent of Republicans backed Obama on his top four). But bear in mind it’s going to be a very strange definition of “conciliation.” What Republicans generally mean by “working across the aisle” is terrifying just enough Democrats from red states and districts into supporting their initiatives and destroying them if they fail to, like the old ads from 2002 that impugned the patriotism of Georgia Sen. Max Cleland, who left three limbs in Vietnam but opposed Bush’s war in Iraq.

And the final note that takes us into full surrealism. Republicans know very well that Obama can’t say any of this during election time because he’d sound “whiny” and will be admitting “failure” at the task of uniting the country. This is really the Ministry of Reality Suppression at work, and why I wish Mr. Orwell were around to see it.

He’d know it well, because it is, in fact, a very communist (small c) mindset, about which Orwell wrote in the Spanish context if not others: act obstreperously and disruptively, create conditions that make it impossible for the bourgeois or reformist party to succeed, and then turn around and blame the reformist party for the resulting failures. And then sit back and laugh if the reformists try to point this out and attack them as weak. It’s one of the oldest tricks in the ideological book, and it’s hostage-taking, basically, and our system of government—especially the rules of the Senate, where a minority of 40 has the power of a majority—permits it.

It must infuriate Obama that all this is true, and it must infuriate him further that, if he does win, he will still have to extend olive branches, because he will be the president and that is what people expect of the president. In the future, I hope no Democrat ever again promises to change the tone in Washington. “I’ll try,” Democrats should say. “But it takes two to tango on this.” Then at least the public might fix the blame for this problem where it so richly belongs.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/30/michael-tomasky-on-mitt-romney-s-closing-con-game.html

MrObvious
MrObvious

UPDATE #1: New Pew national survey says, oddly, that Obama has failed to regain footing--but finds him tied with Romney while he was down 4% three weeks ago. It finds only 6% edge among women for Obama, lower than most polls for sure. And it finds voters expect Obama to win 49%-31%

The meaning of 'regaining'.

MrObvious
MrObvious

The other day Micheal Medved; conservative radio prattler defended Romney as governor when challenged over the fact that he vetoed 800 bills. His logic was that those were all spending bills and because of Romneys vetoes he managed to balance the budget.

Except for the fact that most of those bills was pushed through as the Dems could override his veto. Making the idea that it was Romneys veto that balanced the budget and not the bills that the Dems pushed through despite Romneys attempt.

Righties know how to grind everything to a halt and let the private sector rip off the commons. It's something 'private' companies have done since the first civilization.

Romney might be good at picking of off carcasses but he's ineffective when it comes to governing. And that's why he couldn't buy himself a second term. He's good at taking the credit for other peoples hard work but no one should be surprised that the 10 best deals at Bain were also 'harvested' and while Bain made out good, those 10 didn't.

sacredh
sacredh

In other breaking news, hundreds of female p0rn stars are heading to the east coast to provide box lunches to cleanup crews.

outsider
outsider

We’re heading into the last week of a tight presidential campaign, and polls are coming in too fast to count. Partisans everywhere are desperate for omens. But at moments like these, it’s people who care most intensely that the “right outcome” occur who run a high risk of getting it wrong—picking out positive polls for comfort, or panicking over an unusual and unexpected result they don’t like.

Fortunately, our most prominent number cruncher has been giving us the straight story instead of capitalizing on this anxiety. In 2008, Nate Silver correctly predicted the results of all 35 Senate races and the presidential results in 49 out of 50 states. Since then, his website, fivethirtyeight.com (now central to The New York Times’s political coverage), has become an essential source of rigorous, objective analysis of voter surveys to predict the Electoral College outcome of presidential campaigns.

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/29/nate_silver_poll_prophet/

filmnoia
filmnoia

Whatever he's doing it must be something right, since a GOP icon, Christie, thinks that he has been "outstanding."

It must be  tough to be a Reich Winger today and grasping at straws. You guys are showing your true colors, and they aren't red, white, or blue.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@LiberalLies2012 Handling a disaster. Something that Bush could never figure out since he was too busy trying to find WMDs in Iraq.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@LiberalLies2012 

His job...but let me guess - now that's a bad thing too.

You righties are such a petty bunch of cry babies.

outsider
outsider

@LiberalLies2012 

Being President. Something Romney will never experience (thankfully, as per his record as Gov); and something Bush couldn't handle very well either. 

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@LiberalLies2012 And yet Chris Christie a Romney surrogate is raving about the job Obama has done during the storm. What does he know that you don't?

MrObvious
MrObvious

@outsider2011 

Most people know that Romney was AVOL for half his term; running around building up for a presidential run. He showed very little interest in being the gov past signing Romney care into law.

sacredh
sacredh

outsider2011, I just got off the phone with a friend that isn't an Obama supporter by any stretch of the imagination. He thinks Obama just wrapped up the election because of Sandy. He thinks the federal response and Obama heading the crisis fromthe White house just broke it for barack. He had some choice words for Christie too.

outsider
outsider

@sacredh 

I agree; i think it's the biggest story. And it's only us junkies that are still jonesing for politics. 

But a lot of people aren't posting - real life is reasserting itself. 

sacredh
sacredh

My guess is that the time they spend on their knees isn't going to be in prayer. Well "Lord, not in my hair". Amen.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@sacredh 

Are they going to get down on their knees and get dirty helping clean up?

MrObvious
MrObvious

@outsider2011 

When Silver walks through his assumptions in every case study in his book, he is on a mission. Instead of pretending that everything is cut and dried, he considers the relative value of today’s state polls and yesterday’s national polls. Every new poll is evaluated in light of all the other polls. This avoids cherry-picking of polls that confirm our biases.

filmnoia
filmnoia

Hey , maybe like the Reich Wingers say , Barack really is the MESSIAH, and he created the storm to demonstrate his leadership and compassion? LOL!! (that's in there for you righties who don't understand tongue in cheek).

Speaking of optics, Barack in a command and control situation, receiving high praise from a tough nut like Christie, while Willard's campaign is putting out an ad creating falsehoods about Ohio losing Jeep jobs to China. - floundering desperation at its most egregious.

outsider
outsider

@sacredh 

I've read that a few times - especially since Romney said what he said about privatizing funding for disaster relief and Ryans budget cuts from everything except the military. 

I suspect your friend may be right - but i am also cautious. Obama has to keep doing what he's doing - namely saving people. Getting praise from Christie is really good - it shows that Obama isn't playing favorites and even his most outspoken critics have to acknowledge it. But he has to make sure he doesn't fumble anything. It's too close to the election and if he does, it'll be in the public's mind. 

Now i personally think Obama won't fumble - he's just too cool a thinker to do that. But the possibility is there - so while Sandy might provide the final drive for Obama, it could also be his worst nightmare. 

But it's nice when guys like your friend are forced to acknowledge how well Obama is doing. 

outsider
outsider

@MrObvious @outsider2011 

It's an excellent read. I loved the part about how after the second debate, everyone freaked:

One of the biggest problems we have in separating signal from noise is that when we look too hard for certainty that isn’t there, we often end up attracted to noise, either because it is more prominent or because it confirms what we would like to believe. This is a worse problem in politics than in baseball or poker. If most polls are reporting a tight race, an outlier showing a bigger gap will be the poll that makes news, thus getting more of our attention. Partisan TV pundits try to assuage the worries of the faithful on their side instead of making accurate predictions. When Silver analyzed 1,000 predictions on The McClaughlin Group, he found them no more accurate than flipping a coin.

After the second presidential debate, three national polls showed Mitt Romney ahead and three showed Barack Obama ahead. Soon enough, Gallup reported a seven-point Romney lead in its tracking poll. Obama supporters panicked. Silver pointed out that Gallup was one of five national tracking polls—polls that conduct interviews every day and report a result based upon the most recent four to seven days. The average of the five tracking polls was nearly a tie, and the average result in the other nine concurrent national surveys was a 0.2 percent Obama lead.

Besieged by Obama supporters, and attacked or dismissed by Romney supporters, Silver calmly collected all the news stories about that set of tracking polls in the Lexis database. The five tracking polls and nine regular polls were within one percentage point of a tie, yet the average result reported in newspaper stories about the polls was a four point Romney lead. Anomalous results like the Gallup poll are not unique to politics. In discipline after discipline, Silver shows in his book that when you look at even the best single forecast, the average of all independent forecasts is 15 to 20 percent more accurate.

outsider
outsider

@MrObvious @LiberalLies2012 

Cause when it comes to governing the GOP doesn't know how to do it anymore. They've been so focused on obstruction, they've forgotten how to do the job. 

MrObvious
MrObvious

@LiberalLies2012

Seems that it's coming back to Brown being a silly dud in the debates and that he's seen as someone who don't know or do shit for the state. The whole Indian thing is a typical rightwing distraction. Why are you guys not interested in governing? Always the idiotic silly nonsensical stuff.

outsider
outsider

@MrObvious @outsider2011 

That's true. 

Did you know when the Germans crossed over into France, half the tanks couldn't fire? And they were breaking down. But because Hitler had such great propaganda, the French capitulated without a fight. 

A fright they probably would have won. 

I'm not saying this election is that extreme - it's just the first thought i get when someone talks about history, and people being susceptible to outrageous lies.  

MrObvious
MrObvious

@outsider2011

I understand the economic uncertainty, but they also have the people over at Fox and on radio poisoning the well. Human history is full of ignorant mobs believing all sorts of things and it's very easy for low information voters to believe authoritative voices in media telling them the 'truth' in cases most people with common sense would say 'that ain't right'.

outsider
outsider

@filmnoia 

No, come on - don't be so cynical. Romney is leading too - he cancelled a victory rally today. Of course, he's holding an event anyway - but admission is just bringing perishable goods now - and he probably won't talk politics. It'll just be disaster relief. 

Probably. 

I'd like to know what he has to say about disaster relief considering that he high tailed it out of his own state when there was a disaster there - in order to have a financial discussion. But i digress.. 

roknsteve
roknsteve

I can't figure out why Limefried is working perfectly today in the middle of a hurricane?  I

hope Ohio is doing OK. 

MrObvious
MrObvious

@outsider2011

Oh I know. And that's why I mention other natural disasters - he have always been there. Of course the Benghazi squirrel crowd will pretend that it's always been Epic fail.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@sacredh 

While optics is important I also think that way to many cynical people out there that think this is just a ploy, but they forget that this is not the only Hurricane he have overseen - it just happens to be the worst.

sacredh
sacredh

outsider2011, this disaster is a minefield for both candidates. I'm hoping both candidates focus on the people and communities devastated by this unfolding tragedy. There are times when politics seem trivial. This is one of them. I've worked cleanup after several floods and when you're helping someone trying to salvage ANYTHING that represents their life before the flood hit, it just changes you. I've seen people break down because a family picture was above the water level and it was the only thing not covered by mud.