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Neocons: No Constituency

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Does Mitt Romney’s Gandhian performance in the third presidential debate signal the end of neoconservatism? I certainly hope so…but who knows?

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tma_sierrahills
tma_sierrahills

"Does Mitt Romney’s Gandhian performance in the third presidential debate signal the end of neoconservatism? I certainly hope so…but who knows?"

Since we are now down to fighting merely one futile meat-grinder far-off war, the neocons will probably soon ride again to our rescue and start another. Wouldn't be surprised if they found some method to worm their way into the Obama administration. They're everywhere, especially in the media, and yet whom do they represent? Themselves, and their favorite country, which, unfortunately for the rest of us, is not the United States. 

allthingsinaname
allthingsinaname

Oh please, the shapshifter bent and you get excited. What word do you want to take Romney at?

MrObvious
MrObvious

 Neocons: No Constituency

Maybe a better headline would be - Neocons - no consistency

outsider
outsider

This is for you, Paulie:

Politico reporter Ginger Gibson today ribs people who are actually invested in the result of the election as opposed to interested solely in the elaborate game of Stratego that is the campaign. Apparently partisans are all going around spreading crazy conspiracy theories about their opponents.As the use of Twitter has exploded in the 2012 campaign, coupled with more expansive use of Facebook and other social networks, the rumble of extreme partisans propagating strange conspiracy theories is getting louder.

Those silly partisans and their silly conspiracy theories! The resolutely nonpartisan and hence perfectly clear-eyed reporters at Politico have your number. You are all claiming that bad things will happen if the “other guy” wins the election, when everyone knows that no matter who wins things will be fine, that is what American history has taught us. (??) Also conspiracy theories spread because of “Twitter” and “Facebook.” (???)

Hey, what is the best way to make sure this column reads like it was written by an old person a decade ago and then buried underground until this week? Something like this, probably:

Generally, it’s not the campaigns or their surrogates pushing the most drastic of apocalyptic scenarios. And often one doesn’t have to venture into the bowels of the Internet to find such predictions on low-traffic blogs being run by hermits still living in their mother’s basement.

Stupid smelly bloggers in their parents’ basements, blogging stuff! Only losers “blog”!

And what are the conspiracy theories, exactly, that both sides are spreading?

The conservative “conspiracy theories” are: 1) That (black) Obama supporters will riot nationwide if he loses and that Obama will then declare martial law and refuse to leave office. 2) That Obama is secretly planning to seize all American guns. 3) That Obama will “hand over the sovereignty of the United States to the U.N.”

The liberal “conspiracy theories” are: 1) That the Republican are attempting voter suppression of black citizens on a massive scale. 2) That if Republicans win they will … weaken reproductive rights for women.

I know these all sound like totally crazy, out-there notions, but look carefully: Do you see any differences between those two sets of nutty apocalyptic idea? Here is a hint: One set of them is made up of actual stated Republican Party policy goals. Goals that they have acted on with legislation in multiple states.

According to the story, Drudge pushing the notion that there will be widespread black rioting — followed by martial law! — if Obama loses is the equivalent of democrats “stoking fears” among “women” that Republicans will “redefine rape” simply because multiple Republicans have specifically attempted to draw distinctions between different “sorts” of rape over the last year in the context of discussions of when precisely they’d deign to allow a woman to have an abortion. And the NRA’s claim that Obama plans to eliminate the Second Amendment in his second term — nonsense based on a fantasy — is the equivalent of Eric Holder referring to stringent voter ID laws — things that, again, actually exist, in real life, in many states — as comparable to the poll tax.

Those crazy partisans!

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/25/politico_takes_on_conspiracy_theories_including_various_real_non_conspiracy_things/

outsider
outsider

Republican officials, who have used hysteria about alleged voter fraud as an excuse to support measures that disproportionately block Democratic voters, are furiously trying to distance themselves from a growing number of GOP voter registration drives that either submitted false applications or threw away authentic ones.

The incidents might have been overlooked if not for the GOP's clamorous campaign to restrict registration drives, purge voter rolls, roll back early voting, and pass voter ID laws that opponents point out have the effect of depressing the vote among minorities, the poor and other generally Democratic constituencies.

As one Southern California alt-weekly put it, it's turning into a story of "The Wolf Who Cried Wolf."

The latest drama began to unfold on Oct. 17, when the manager of a Tuesday Morning discount store in Virginia's Shenandoah Valley saw a man throwing a garbage bag into the store's private dumpster. Inside the bag was a file folder containing eight completed Virginia voter registration forms.

The manager described the man to Rockingham County sheriff's deputies, who the following day arrested Colin Small, 23, a voter registration drive contractor for the Virginia GOP -- and charged him with eight felonies and five misdemeanors related to the destruction and disclosure of the applications and obstruction of justice.

A few weeks earlier, the GOP had been under fire following reports of suspicious registration applications that had been submitted in 10 Florida counties by a company run by Nathan Sproul, a Republican operative who has long been trailed by allegations of voter fraud. The Republican Party paid Sproul's company, Strategic Allied Consulting, about $3 million this year for registration drives in five swing states: Colorado, Florida, North Carolina, Nevada, and Virginia.

In Palm Beach County, Fla., alone, about 100 questionable voter registrations were flagged, more than half of which involved changing a voter’s party affiliation to Republican or independent. Discrepancies were also found in North Carolina.

And a viral video uploaded to YouTube in late September showed a young woman who worked for Strategic Allied Consulting registering voters in Colorado and admitting that she was only looking for Republicans. "Well, I'm actually trying to register people for a particular party. Because we're out here in support of Romney, actually," the woman said.

Given Sproul's history, it could hardly have come as a surprise to his GOP employers that his canvassers would generate spurious applications.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/gop-voter-fraud_n_1990104.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

grape_crush
grape_crush

> Does Mitt Romney’s Gandhian performance in the third presidential debate signal the end of neoconservatism?

No.

But I don't get to be too critical of Klein because it doesn't seem as if he's buying The Tofu Candidate's latest flavor. From the article:

"But the ongoing, distortional impact of this tiny policy cult was evident during the debate in another way: Israel was mentioned 34 times. India, an essential ally, especially when it comes to the terrorist threat emanating from Pakistan, was not mentioned at all. The euro crisis, which could have a profound effect on our economic future, was not mentioned at all. Climate change, perhaps a global existential issue, was not mentioned at all. [...]

Several Romney advisers have assured me that he's not a neocon, that what you saw is what we'll get. But what I saw was a man who was willing to say anything to get nominated by his party and then say the opposite to get elected President."

paulejb1
paulejb1

"WH: ‘We Decline to Comment’ on When Obama Learned of E-Mails, Met With NSC on Benghazi"

"The White House also declined to say when the president first met with the National Security Council after the Benghazi attack.“I have been asked by one of our spokespeople to relay ‘that we decline to comment,’” said White House National Security Staff aide Debbie Bird in a written response to CNSNews.com."

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/wh-we-decline-comment-when-obama-learned-e-mails-met-nsc-benghazi

Well, we do know that a Vegas fundraiser was on the schedule for Barack Obama.

paulejb1
paulejb1

Listening to Romney in the 3rd debate, I came away with the notion that Mitt was unlikely to involve himself in adventurism such as Barack Obama's venture in Libya. Now that Libya has blown up in his face, Obama seems to want to get as far away from it as he can. As least as far away as Vegas.

MrObvious
MrObvious

That would explain that most of his advisors are former neocon hawks from the Bush era.

You can't seriously be falling for this new peacebot program are you?

reader
reader

Please do not insult Gandhi. I believe he had no interest in his own pension plan and sacrificed a lot for real freedom.

Arimathean
Arimathean

"It has been proved a bloody failure over the past decade--and Obama's more subtle and multilateral policies, while often messy, have been far more successful."

You are right, of course, but I highly doubt that the distinction resonates with the majority of Americans.  As your final paragraph alludes, the majority of Americans do not read deeply into foreign policy, and I fear that the populace widely equates "messy" with "failure".

kbanginmotown
kbanginmotown

Joe, your article describes Romney's change in tone, but I don't think that you (or anyone) can judge whether Romney has changed his attitude about going to war with Iran. 

Romney's "peace-out" during the last debate should be graded in light of the expected audience. Question: Which demographic groups were watching either a Championship Baseball Game or Monday Night Football? Who was left to watch the debate?

*sigh* Do you really not see that this was just another shake of  Romney's Etch-a-Sketch? Really?

Nevertheless, I think you make a very good point here:"[Israel]can defend itself. And yet the neoconservatives seem obsessed with threats to Israel--and they foolishly conflate those threats with our national security. Their overhyped fixation on Iran is the most obvious result of this delusion."

Thank you for saying this. Please spread the word.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@outsider2011 

The 'funny' part is that Paul Ryan, Mourdock and Akin are 3 of the co-sponsors of the person hood amendment. Mitt sure likes to pick extremists while pretending that he's some kind of moderate peace lover.

filmnoia
filmnoia

There is still a large swath of the MSM that believes that JFK was killed by a lone gunman with a magic single bullet. That is in itself farther out than any conspiracy theory. I still think that the "fix" in for Willard, especially in Ohio and Florida. The only thing that will save Obama is a massive GOTV effort in about 8 states, otherwise I think this cake is being "baked."

MrObvious
MrObvious

@outsider2011 

One set of them is made up of actual stated Republican Party policy goals. Goals that they have acted on with legislation in multiple states.

As said before; this is what they have tried or succeeded to legislate, while the crazy squirrel stuff about dems 'socialism' is nowhere to be seen. That's the difference between rightie or lefty crazy.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@outsider2011 

The righties will continue to ignore the systemic attempt from GOP to disenfranchise dem voters with anecdotal isolated incidents about some 'dem' doing 'it'. Like squirrel stuff like ACORN.

The millions spent by rightwing groups to fund this kind of voter roll scrubbing from legal dem voters is completely lost in the vacuous rightie bubble. It's naked - and anyone with basic common sense can see it.

filmnoia
filmnoia

It's pretty pathetic that you have to link to a story about GOP voter suppressin from Huff Post, when TIME seems to be ignoring the biggest political story of 2012 all together.

paulejb1
paulejb1

@grape_crush 

It's not rocket science, grape. There are Jewish voters to be wooed in Florida and Ohio. I doubt that either candidate was concerned over the Indian vote.

HudsonValleyTim
HudsonValleyTim

That point about the demographics is interesting...I, as a politics-junkie, really didn't give any thought to what I would be watching (although my wife, a big fan of Buster Posey, kept hopping back to the game).  It was probably a theorized that Mitty could add women to his binders without alienating the men too much.  Of course, that's the cynic in me.  But the cynic has been right more-often-than-not when figuring-out what Mitt is all about.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@filmnoia 

It is amazing how the so called liberal media completely ignores these very points but we're quick to read about the Fox news driven drivel.

Yet when the Benghazi story drove off the cliff and Issa released those documents the silence have been deafening  Both from Media and Romney.

It makes me wonder how righties can fall for that swill; the very media they constantly rail against seems to have the squirrelitis they suffer from and the very important stories that would favor dems are never there. 

outsider
outsider

@filmnoia 

It's true; we haven't seen a time story on this. And i do think that it's significant. Just like the GOP legislators who admitted the voter suppression was the point of the voter ID. 

I guess that's why we have the comments section. 

MrObvious
MrObvious

@paulejb1

Again since you have squirrelitis

this is what they have tried or succeeded to legislate

Focus

Your guilt by association is amusing - just as your generalizations about dems after you biatched about someone generalizing you with crazy righties.

Anyways. It's kind of sad that I've tried to make you focus for 2 posts now and you still don't get it.

You telling us that you're oh so super sharp seems like false advertisement.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@paulejb1

 this is what they have tried or succeeded to legislate

I know you're not in the habit of reading stuff when you throw out your stupid.

But Ted Turner despite what you happen to think is not a legislator.

Focus

outsider
outsider

@MrObvious @outsider2011 

Don't count on it. Paulie needs us, much as he tries to say the opposite is true. 

We've actually enjoyed convos without him; he can't stay away, however. 

MrObvious
MrObvious

@outsider2011

Sure will be; nothing like watching rightie money backers blow tons of money with few results.

And when the dust settles I hope the fringe will crawl back under their rock and maybe media will stop giving them a microphone.

paulejb1
paulejb1

@outsider2011 @filmnoia 

"Another Example of Vote Fraud that the Left Will Deny and Photo ID Will Solve"

"A Democratic congressional candidate from Maryland has dropped out of the race after the state party said she had voted in both Maryland and Florida in the 2006 general election and in the 2008 presidential primaries.Wendy Rosen confirmed to The Associated Press that she was withdrawing from the 1st District congressional race."

http://rnla.org/blogs/blogs/public/archive/2012/09/11/another-example-of-vote-fraud-that-the-left-will-deny-and-photo-id-will-solve.aspx

Democrats: Fraud? What fraud?