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ahandout
ahandout

Barry, you could have ordered an attack from one of those fancy aircraft carriers that you lectured us about the other night...you know they carry fast movers with weapons.  Or, hey how about a cruise missile?  Maybe horse and bayonets? 

Instead you did nothing, and then you lied about it, over and over.  Hillary should throw you under the bus.

La_Randy
La_Randy

Your still beating this dead horse paulejb?

Romney has given up on it. There is no conspiracy except in wing nut land.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

As the campaign drags on, the Right WingMedia has grown increasingly desperate to manufacture a "scandal" overthe tragic events in Benghazi on September 11. In the immediateaftermath of the attack, there were numerous intelligence reports, someconflicting, over what happened. President Obama, the day after theattack, referred to it as an 'act of terror' (a fact that Mitt Romneynot only lied about on national television but had to be corrected bythe moderator on), and he and every other senior Administration officialall said the same thing - we are continuing to investigate and as morereliable intelligence comes to light we will tell the American people.And they did. Over and over.Yet the desperate Republicans aregoing all out to manufacture a scandal to save their sinking candidate.Most disgustingly they have been circulating despicable lies aboutAmbassador Stevens being raped (a claim directly contradicted byeyewitnesses, who reported that Libyan civilians PROTECTED AmbassadorStevens and made sure he got to a hospital). But even beyond that, theyhave been screaming at the top of their lungs that old standby"coverup".Of course, there was no coverup. But even moreperplexing is the question of what exactly these people think is beingcovered up? We know there was an attack in which four Americans died.We know that additional security at Benghazi might have prevented theattacks, or at least kept four Americans alive. We know that the peopleresponsible are being tracked down and brought to justice. We knowthat requests for additional security were sent (though most peopledon't seem to know that the requests were for additional security atTripoli, not Benghazi). We know that those requests did not reach thePresident's desk. We know that funding for embassy security has beencut by about $300 million dollars in the last two years by CongressionalRepublicans (including Paul Ryan).So what's being covered up?In the final analysis, it seems that the only coverup going on aroundhere is the attempt to cover up Mitt Romney's incompetence and hiscraven political opportunism.On September 12, 2001, the dayafter a major tragedy, despite a deeply divided nation, Liberals as wellas Conservatives, Democrats as well as Republicans all stood behind thePresident of the United States and all supported efforts to find outexactly what happened, who was responsible, and to bring them tojustice.On September 12, 2012, the day after a major tragedy, adeeply divided nation turned not to the defense of our nation, but tothe opportunity to try once again to cast the President of the UnitedStates as the enemy. Instead of trying to work together for the commongood, the Republican Party has distorted and lied about the tragedy totry to score political points.Tells you a lot about how much damage four years of a Romney Presidency would cause, doesn't it.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

To all the idiots who continually post that Obama chose to do nothing in Libya, this is a man that has authorized drone strikes in multiple countries, and had violated Pakistan's territorial sovereignty to kill Osama Bin Laden. Why would you idiots believe he would deny any use of force in Libya if it had the slightest possibility of success.

paulejb1
paulejb1

"THE CONSEQUENCES OF BENGHAZI"

"The President made the decision to not use F18s (even in a flyover to shake the resolve of the terrorists). The President made the decision to go to Vegas to a campaign dinner.So what is worse than our State people now knowing that the President will do nothing if they are attacked?Al Qaeda knows that now, too."

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2012/10/the-conseqeunces-of-benghazi.html

La_Randy
La_Randy

@paulejb1 I will trust the current President to bring criminals to Justice as opposed to say the previous President who let the mastermind of 9/11 skate.

As a side note, comments seem to be disappearing.

La_Randy
La_Randy

@paulejb1 OHHH a gaffe by the President. He must be human after all and not the antichrist.

Potatoe!

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb1 Based on that scale the chances of civilian casualties would be minimized however we would still have likely incurred greater casualties among our own personnel. This is my biggest issue with arm chair generals trying to play out scenarios after the fact. especially when they try and play it out for political gain.

paulejb1
paulejb1

@mantisdragon91 

"We know that funding for embassy security has beencut by about $300 million dollars in the last two years by CongressionalRepublicans (including Paul Ryan)" (sic)

And all but no-information hive members are aware that no cuts could be made in funding for embassy security with out the concurrence of the Democrat Senate and the Presidents signature. They also may be aware that as State was denying requests for beefed up security in Benghazi it was spending tens of thousands of dollars for Chevy Volts and a Chevy Volt charger at the Vienna embassy.

Nothing that Bugs tells you may be believed.

ahandout
ahandout

@mantisdragon91 Why did the idiot leave them unprotected in the first place?  Ask your fearless leader.  Your statement here outlines the whole fiasco.  What criteria is he using to decide when and where to use force?  It's arbitrary.

I know, maybe the CIA asked them to let the ambassador get murdered.  Sounds like your answer.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@mantisdragon91 

So he doesn't upset Muslims. No seriously. Just analyze some of the stuff from ahandout. That's basically it.

Ignoring of course the many Drone strikes targeting Muslims, so they get angered and attack us.

Righties in the swamp is really good and tripping over their own logic. When you have ODS all kind of stupid shit pops out of their minds.

ahandout
ahandout

@paulejb1 Obama is dying from a thousand cuts due to his Benghazi catastrophe. 

La_Randy
La_Randy

@Sue_N @La_Randy I will put my money and vote on the President who brought the mastermind of 911 to justice to handle the punishment of the perps of this crime, as opposed to the one who thought Bin Laden was not worth pursuing. Just saying!

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

Yet gain feeblemind, no one left the ambassador unprotected he chose of his own recognizance to travel to Benghazi taking minimal security with him since he was sure that he had the good will of the local population

ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious @mantisdragon91  Really Mr O?  I don't think you could analyze the reason for toilet paper.  Obama the deceiver talks out of both sides of his mouth.  He says one thing and does another.  You clowns never even knew that he passed the UN resolution against blasphemy, because you have you head so far up his bowing butt that you can't see the light. 

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@ahandout @paulejb1  You Ghoulish Trolls how many times are you going to attempt to post the same debunked stupidity over and over again.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

Happy pills? You must be as senile as Clint Eastwood.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

It never ceases to amuse and offend me that people like you, Romney, Bolton and Senor think they have any clue of what actually happens in combat or what can and can't be prevented. None of you had the brass to serve this country and yet you seem to think you know better than people who have.

paulejb1
paulejb1

@mantisdragon91 @paulejb1 

 I couldn't have done any worse than the military geniuses in the White House who cared more for a Vegas fundraiser than for the lives of valiant Americans.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb1 @mantisdragon91 You idiot. Knowing how this administration goes after terrorists there is no doubt in my mind, that if there was a window of opportunity they would have taken it. Unless you know something everyone else doesn't you are merely being the vindictive partisan troll that we all know you to be.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

Obama the deceiver talks out of both sides of his mouth? Coming from a guy who supports Romney that maybe one of the most hypocritical things I have heard yet.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@paulejb1

Imagine your teeth gnashing if a gunship fired and destroyed a whole family of innocent civilians or a squad of Libyans coming to the peoples aid.

See I know how you think; if anyone would have done something you've attack the consequence of that. You're always on both sides of the issue without firm set of principles.

As for calling people stupid, as Forrest Gump's mom would say: "Stupid is as stupid does."

Was it last week or so ago you exclaimed (as you did here when you arrived the first time) how the first person who use ad hominem lose the argument?

You're always first to throw what you've written previously under the bus.

Most people call that hypocrisy.

paulejb1
paulejb1

@MrObvious @paulejb1 

I would imagine that even fanatic jihadists would rethink their desire for martyrdom with a gunship orbiting the compound. I also trust that American servicemen would use force judiciously.

As for calling people stupid, as Forrest Gump's mom would say: "Stupid is as stupid does."

MrObvious
MrObvious

@paulejb1

View the layout of the compound I posted before shooting off your mouth, Ob.

Please think. Where would the gunship be shooting? In the compound or outside the compound?

At what would it be shooting? Outside. What's outside? Let for a minute assume that the few Americans and the many more Libyans helping do not have things like perfect communication, nightvision etc. Are you making the statement that the Drone from above will make perfect assessment of whom are the assailing forces, who are the Libyans coming to aid and who are civilians?

And you - mr armchair super commander would use a gunship meant to destroy formations with mini guns and auto cannons to pinpoint who is whom?

Have an adult explain Freudian slip to you, Ob.

Have someone explain to you what miss spelling and a spelling nazi is. Petty for one, but let me guess.

Another word would probably be juvenile.

So where is your argument tonight other then being a spelling nazi and calling people stupid?

ahandout
ahandout

@mantisdragon91 @paulejb1 @MrObvious  How many friends were there?  Anyone you know?  Again, the state department knew where its people where.  There was a blow by blow report given of the attack.  Ask your buddy, Obama, to reliease the video

ahandout
ahandout

@MrObvious @mantisdragon91 We have missiles that are accurate to within 3 feet, and we knew where the people were that where in communication with the state department. No excuses.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

It was a type a Paule. Nothing more nothing less.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

And the link you just posted exposes even more CIA "dirty laundry" to the world. Tell me again that people like theconservativetreehouse aren't working for Al Queda?

MrObvious
MrObvious

@paulejb1 

BTW, shouldn't you be endthreading this soon and declare victory?

MrObvious
MrObvious

@paulejb1

Wait a minute - you're telling me that people under fire; few of them Americans and most of them Libyan defenders would coordinate a gunship firing mini guns, cannon like 30mm, 25mm, 20mm with pinpoint accuracy into an area being assault from several directions AND with the ability to make out who the security forces are, possible infiltrating assailing people AND civilians?

I know that sounds cool and all in games and in movies, but you haven't seen what the gunship actually does.

It's smothers an area with lethal fire. In fact a single hellfire missile with a anti-tank 8kg charge as carried by the Drones would do LESS damage over all to someone assailing.

paulejb1
paulejb1

@MrObvious @paulejb1 

There was cell phone chatter from the compound back to DC. A strike on the assailants in the compound could certainly have been coordinated.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb1 @mantisdragon91 @ahandout  Yet again you are an idiot if he had cared only about politics he would have stuck to the Act of terror line from the day after the attack. Unlike the idiot Republicans he chose to aid and not jeopardize and ongoing CIA investigation.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@paulejb1

He would have risked more lies by authorizing a strike

The Petty spelling nazi is back again. Excellent argument (sarcasm - emphasis mine).

MrObvious
MrObvious

@paulejb1

An AC-130 gunship has other means of persuasion besides missiles. Ask Bugs about it's capabilities, he is a military expert.

Yes, I know of it's capabilities. It's not a weapon you fire into a confused firefight.

paulejb1
paulejb1

@MrObvious @mantisdragon91 

An AC-130 gunship has other means of persuasion besides missiles. Ask Bugs about it's capabilities, he is a military expert.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb1 @mantisdragon91 @ahandout You idiot. He would have risked more lies by authorizing a strike. He had us ground troop invade Pakistan to kill Bin Laden. You really think he wouldn't authorize military action in Libya if it had any chance of success?

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb1 @ahandout  And for the record it's painfully obvious the guy who wrote the link you posted knows nothing about how the Military, The State Department or the CIA operate.

MrObvious
MrObvious

@mantisdragon91 

It's just like in games. You fire these terrorist homing friend and foe missiles and they're all dead.

Works like a charm.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@paulejb1 @mantisdragon91 @ahandout  

I know exactly where it is and yet all it would have accomplished would be to anger the Libyans by violating their air space. We couldn't launch strikes because even more Americans would have died.

paulejb1
paulejb1

@mantisdragon91 @ahandout @paulejb1 

The US Naval Air Station Sigonella, Sicily is about an hour away from Benghazi. The battle at the Consulate compound went on for seven hours. You do the math, Bugs.