Obama Recommits to Abortion Deception

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US President Barack Obama speaks during the 113th National Convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars at the Reno Sparks Convention Center in Reno, Nevada, on July 23, 2012

The Obama campaign is out with a new campaign ad Thursday, tripling down on its false claim that Mitt Romney wants to outlaw all abortion, even in cases of rape, incest and the life of the mother.

Romney has been consistent on this point since 2005, when he announced that he would be a pro-life politician. Whenever he has been asked about a rape, incest or life of the mother exception, he has said he supports it. At the start of this campaign, he laid out his conservative approach to abortion in a National Review op-ed. The first sentence read, “I am pro-life and believe that abortion should be limited to only instances of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.” At the Vice Presidential debate in Kentucky, Paul Ryan restated the Romney campaign’s position: “The policy of a Romney administration will be to oppose abortions with the exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother.” Romney has also clearly stated to the press that Obama is misrepresenting his position on abortion.

The Obama campaign, and its defenders, argue that none of these clear and definitive statements matter, because of another statement Romney made in public where the issue of exceptions in cases of rape, incest and the life of the mother was not discussed. I have written about this before, but think it is worth repeating, given the centrality of this issue in the Obama campaign’s messaging and the significant feedback I have gotten on Twitter from Obama supporters.

Here is the transcript, from a Republican debate on Nov. 28, 2007:

A.J. from Millstone, N.J.: If hypothetically Roe versus Wade was overturned, and the Congress passed a federal ban on all abortion, and it came to your desk, would you sign it? Yes or no?

Romney: I agree with Senator (Fred) Thompson, which is we should overturn Roe v. Wade and return these issues to the states. I would welcome a circumstance where there was such a consensus in this country that we said, we don’t want to have abortion in this country at all, period. That would be wonderful. I’d be delighted.

CNN’s Anderson Cooper: The question is: Would you sign that bill?

Romney: Let me say it. I’d be delighted to sign that bill. But that’s not where we are. That’s not where America is today. Where America is is ready to overturn Roe v. Wade and return to the states that authority. But if the Congress got there, we had that kind of consensus in the country, terrific.

Romney conditions his support for this hypothetical bill on an America that does not exist, or one in which there is “such a consensus in this country that we said, we don’t want to have abortion in this country at all, period.” He also says clearly, “that’s not where we are.” In other words, he does not say that he would push against popular opinion to support such a bill. He is also silent on whether his ban would include exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother. Obama supporters say he doesn’t need to be explicit about exceptions, since the question is about “all abortions.” But the history of abortion debates within the Republican Party suggests otherwise.

For the last four presidential election cycles, the GOP platform has supported what has been called a “human life amendment,” which on its face would sound like an amendment that declares all fetus’ to be human lives, and therefore criminalizes all abortion. Except, that is not exactly the case, since the human life amendment is intentionally undefined in the platform. If you ask spokespeople for the Republican Party, they will tell you that the platform is silent on whether there should be exceptions for rape, incest or the life of the mother. How can this be?

There is, in fact, a history of so-called “human life amendments” that would allow for these exceptions. As FactCheck.org notes, “The only human life amendment that ever came to a vote in either house of Congress allowed exceptions.” It said simply, “A right to abortion is not secured by the Constitution.”

Furthermore, ever since the human life language made it into the platform, the Republican nominee for president has explicitly supported exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother. George W. Bush did. John McCain did. Mitt Romney does. In 2000, in a debate with McCain who opposed the life amendment language, Bush made explicit the word game that Republicans play.

McCain: George, do you believe in the exemption in abortion, case of abortion, for rape, incest and life of the mother?
Bush: Yes, I do. I do.
McCain: Then, you know, it’s interesting, you were talking about printed material that’s mailed out. Here’s one that says that George W. Bush supports the pro-life plank. The pro-life plank.
Bush: I do.
McCain: Yes. So in other words …
Bush: Yes …
McCain: … your position is that you believe there’s an exemption for rape, incest and the life of the mother, but you want the platform that you’re supposed to be leading to have no exemption.
Bush: Yes, but …
McCain: Help me out there, will you? …
Bush:The platform talks about – it doesn’t talk about what specifically should be in the Constitutional amendment. … The platform speaks about a Constitutional amendment. It doesn’t refer to how that Constitutional amendment ought to be defined.

Now let us return to the hypothetical situation that was presented to Romney in a debate two years ago. The Obama campaign and its supporters believe that the use of the phrase “all abortion” in this case categorically rules out any possibility of exceptions. Given the games that Republicans often play around this issue, that is a big assumption to make.

But the bigger problem with the Obama campaign’s attack is that it resembles a conspiracy theory in its selective reading of the facts. The Obama campaign does not deny that Romney said before, after and says now that he supports exceptions. The Obama campaign does not deny that there is no record of Romney ever responding to a question about exceptions and saying otherwise. Rather, the Obama campaign is arguing that Romney does not actually believe in the policy he has consistently put forward. And their only evidence for this is not a secretly recorded video tape, but a nationally televised debate, in which Romney gave a conditional answer, with imperfect grammar, to a question about a hypothetical world in which Roe v. Wade had been overturned that made no mention of rape, incest or the life of the mother. In other words, if voters want to know where Romney stands on abortion ban exceptions, they have a choice: Look at what Romney says, or believe that he is lying, and will do something else if elected.

The independent fact checkers who have looked at this question have all said the Obama campaign is deceiving voters. (See here, here, here.) The political minds who look at this, including Republicans, say there is no question why the Obama campaign is sticking with the deception. As I wrote before, Obama is trying to scare women into not voting for Romney. And there is clear evidence, as even Romney campaign officials will admit, that this effort is having some effect. But political expediency does not excuse deception, even if the other side is doing it too.

To read more on how both campaigns have been twisting the truth, see my cover story here, and this followup here.

58 comments
KrisLucas
KrisLucas

Fair enough. I've actually seen that Romney clip ("I'd be delighted...") dozens of times probably but never knew it was taken out of context. Still, the trajectory of a Romney presidency would be the overturning of Roe v Wade given the likelihood of his appointing a "severe" conservative to the Supreme Court over the course of his time in office.

pgarrett50
pgarrett50

Looks like more than half of the people commenting missed the article's point:  That our wonderful president is running an ad that he knows to be false.  What kind of country do we have now, that we could accept such a liar for a president ?  Someone who lies to try to win the election.  Disgusting.  

mjshep
mjshep

Relying on what Romney says about anything is a fool's game. The man is simply not to be trusted.

mjshep
mjshep

Oh, and one more thing. Michael.  By making this about Obama's "deception" you have shown us all once again that you really are a shameless hack.

Hadrewsky
Hadrewsky like.author.displayName 1 Like

Being pro-life at all makes you a jerk..... (politically pro-life that is... Im pro-life myself with regards to MY PRIVATE Beliefs)

You are saying that you will force other women to keep their pregnancies at gunpoint,,, It aint your business but you will make it your business to seek out and subjugate another's reproductive rights because of 3000 year old religious musing written by goat herders whom shook with fear of God during an Earthquake or eclipse.

Your private opinions are great for deciding what happens during pregnancy... But for F**K SAKE STAY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES!

superlogi
superlogi

@Hadrewsky Hadrewsky You're confused. People who are pro-life think in terms of killing the unborn as committing infanticide. That being the case, it's society's obligation to stop it, unless of course you don't think interfering with murder is a good idea. In fact, in the case of late term or partial birth abortion, it isn't even arguable that it's not infanticide, yet the buffoon in the White House would allow that as well.

DustyHope
DustyHope

@superlogi @Hadrewsky society has many obligations. U do not get to tell me what to do. am I pro abortion -- no. none of us who are pro-choice are pro-abortion. what we want is health care, family planning, sexual education, availability of contraception. we want to come out of the Victorian age and be progressive. our sex belongs to us. you dont get to choose.

DustyHope
DustyHope like.author.displayName 1 Like

The question is not whether or not Romney says he doesn't support banning Abortion for rape, its that he wants to ban Abortion at all, he wants to take away abortion and change a women's relationship with her own life, fundamentally for all of the women in America. Period. He acts like banning abortion (except in certain cases) is Moderate. It is not moderate. It is  the conservative position to in any way they can take that option away from women, who are not sick or raped. He wants to repeal ACA, to close down PP, supports churches rights to dictate women's health care issues, etc etc etc. Under Obama I remain free to free to make my own choices. He is not a moderate. He will not be a reformer when it comes to regulating banks, he will not be a moderate when it comes to the tax code. 

superlogi
superlogi

@DustyHope It is the killing of the unborn, justified because a few old men thought that the right of privacy allowed a woman to murder her own child.  Since then over 50,000,000 unborn and partially born children have been, all in the name of the word privacy which isn't even mentioned in the Constitution.  Furthermore, over 70% of the population think abortion should be limited, which pretty much makes your argument a losing one.

JasonFigueroa
JasonFigueroa

Please show me where on God's green earth you see that 70% of the population are in favor of limited abortion...

DustyHope
DustyHope

@superlogi @DustyHope yes. its a women's choice. limited is not the same as forbidden. this a game changer for women. to forbid abortion, cut back on family planning providers, curtail food stamps -- thats the republican platform. Nations that support the well being of mothers and children, that support family planning,  have the fewest abortions. abortions should be prevented not forbidden. abortion is an economic issue as well as a moral one.

Hollywooddeed
Hollywooddeed like.author.displayName 1 Like

Speaking of abortion deception, which stance is Willard taking today?

TobyMutambo
TobyMutambo

The thing is Romney's positions are not explicit, it is like you have to be a lawyer to search for the real meaning and where he actually stands, as the writer of this article has attempted to do. His biggest problem is his lack of a clear and definable stand on so many issues (including the economy)

Leopold_Stotch
Leopold_Stotch

Obama is all for killing babies. He also lets our troops and personnel get killed on foreign soil. Nobama 2012.

DustyHope
DustyHope

@Leopold_Stotch and the repubs refused to help the soldiers when they came home by blocking legislation to help them reposition themselves for the work force. and the repubs would scale back any help to single mothers after the baby is born. 

Gabe
Gabe like.author.displayName 1 Like

To summarize: Mitt Romney flip flops on so many positions, with so little consideration of anything except political expediency that it's impossible to tell what, if anything, he really believes in.  Therefore it's unfair to attack him on anything, even for things he's ACTUALLY SAID.

Disamedia
Disamedia

I think you miss the biggest point in Romney's above quote, Mr. Scherer. That is "IF if the Congress got there, we had that kind of consensus in the country, terrific." Romney would indeed take "Congress getting there" to mean there is a consensus. When has this man shown that he cares at all what the consensus of the country wants? If he did then he'd see the majority of those across the country want to legalize gay marriage. Other issues like this show that Romney isn't interested in following a democratic agenda of referendum, and if his principles are that no abortion should be legal, as is implied in that dialog between Mitt and Anderson Cooper, who is to say that he will not sign legislation creating a federal ban. The ads are absolutely accurate. And the Mourdock situation makes it even more damning, because if he really felt strongly about the issue he'd have withdrawn his support of Mourdock like McCain.

williamjacobs
williamjacobs like.author.displayName 1 Like

So when 51% of the country wants to force women to obey Biblical law rather than the Constitution even when rape is involved, Romney is not averse to this (assuming it survives further judicial protection).

If America ALLOWS him to impose religious laws, he will.

Nope, sorry.  Even given context, the ad is accurate given what Governor Romney has said.

Now the only question is whether Romney actually believes what he's telling us.  If we want to throw in his words during his campaign for Massacusetts governor where he swore he was a pro-choice candidate, then Obama's ad could be suspect, but then we're asking Obama to base his campaign strategy on what we think is inside Romney's head rather than what he tells us.

That's a lot to ask.  What we know is that Romney has claimed to be ready to defend abortion OR fight it, given the way teh wind blows.

Duly noted and my absentee reflects how I feel about his craven vacillation.

superlogi
superlogi

@williamjacobs 51% can't change the law, particularly when it was the Burger Supreme court in 1973 which changed it with Roe decision, suggesting the right to terminate a pregnancy was basically a privacy right (14the Amendment, even though "privacy" isn't mentioned in the Constitution.)  Do you people ever give up with duplicity? In short, no matter what anti-abortion law was passed by Congress, Roe would have to be overturned and only after a supermajority in the Senate plus the President pass a ban on abortion. And, frankly, that won't happen. But, even if it did, the SCOTUS would have a crack at it.  With regard to Romney, he has always been pro-life with the exceptions stipulated.  So, instead of trying to be clairvoyant by getting into what Romney thinks as does Barry Obama, why not just listen to what he says?

DustyHope
DustyHope

@superlogi @williamjacobs Again and again and again we hear out the mouths of republicans that they want to "repeal" roe v wade. that fundamentally changes everything for a women. if you dont believe them then you are not listening. Whatever else you think about it, Obama is straight up about this issue. Romney is not.

Disamedia
Disamedia

@superlogi @williamjacobs And the current supreme court would most likely overturn Roe V Wade. Alito, Scalia, Roberts, Thomas, Kennedy. Roberts and Kennedy are your only hope, but there's a very strong possibility that those 5 would overturn. So really all it would take is a political agenda and an appeal - which would give way to a federal ban if the Congress is overtaken by the GOP. And unlike Obama, it seems Mr. Romney will not be afraid to abuse his executive powers.

anselrhodes
anselrhodes

Magicians are masters of deception in the way that they show one thing and then as a dumbfounded audience learns later in the show, something completely different has happened, most times entirely different (or opposed) to what they had first imagined. 

That is the way I feel whenever I hear Mitt Romney speak about the subject of abortion. His rhetoric on this subject seems to shift in such a way as to belie his true intent, which right now is to allow abortion but only in certain cases. However, as history has taught those paying attention; Romney's position on this can change and I believe that it will and when it does the consequences for women and their basic rights as human beings will melt away like an illusion.

chlorase
chlorase

This is an *AD*.  Its not an official TIME magazine article.

Ida T. Hall
Ida T. Hall

The Supreme Court had the last say in that 1973 Roe vs. Wade case -- abortion has been legal ever since.  Now if you're an unwed mother you can have an abortion if you're over the age of 17.  If you're a christian unwed mother, please don't have an abortion.  Even if you're an agnostic unwed mother, please don't have an abortion.  Please don't have an abortion; couples who can't have children might want to adopt your little boy or girl; give them a chance!!!

Paul Dirks
Paul Dirks like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

The other issue that Michael ignores is simply this. Independent of what Romney's official position may be, what's likely to happen if he's actually elected? Is he going to appoint Justices who maintain the status quo? If the Congress thats currently seated gets a chance, are they going to send him a bill that meets his specs or are they going to send him a bill like the one described in the debate question? If Obama's trying to scare women about what would happen, its because fear is the correct rational response.

Pollopa
Pollopa like.author.displayName 1 Like

Wow, Romney has held this particular stance since 2005.

 

I guess you're entitled to your opinion Michael, and this is your blog.  This is your opinion though, others can disagree and do.  Romney may become president, and God forbid if he was to become president and then die, Ryan may land in that chair.  We know where Ryan stands clearly. Then there is the SCOTUS impacts for generations to come. 

 

You have but one man's opinion of what might happen.  I personally don't trust Romney on anything.  He has shown no core value on this subject, and like most issues will go with what is most politically expedient for him at the time.  Where would he stand say if he was approaching his run for a second term, had a challenger and had to lock up the base just when this was brought to his desk for signature? Why should we take that chance?

I am for a woman's right to choose.   That dot at the end is a period, I haven't known Romney to know what one of those things are.

 

akpat
akpat

Regardless of what Romney wants he has gone to bed with people that want 'Personhood' something that would not only ban ALL abortions but the pill as well.

Now he is trying to back pedal and the pro life institutions are receiving all sorts of complaints from their supporters who demand they correct Romeny. However the gurus in charge realize they have Romney by the short hair and as one said they just need to get Romney in  and then they have it.

Its time for Romney to realize he is going to be controlled by others and that in itself is enough for people to show common sense and not vote for him.

filmnoia
filmnoia like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

How thick headed Scherer wants to be on this issue is really of no concern. The fact is that if Willard is in the WH and appoints two SC justices  Roe V. Wade will be overturned. Take it to the bank. Everything else is political palaver. Roe v. Wade is the bottom line.

Pollopa
Pollopa like.author.displayName 1 Like

What TF Michael? You just write a piece on how women won the last debate, and now you want to fight on the subject of their right to choose? Even if Romney has exceptions, why is women's decision making being challenged at all? Why are their health care choices and access to healthcare being threatened by Republicans?  Women are smart enough to know when they are being targeted. They don't need big bad Michael to ride in to rescue them. I know how my grandmother, mother, wife and daughter feel. They feel very put upon by the republican's intent to control them.  The economy is an issue, but these are smart women who know that Obama, or Romney in office they are going to see better days.  Not so much if their rights are limited or stripped.

This was a very sad day for your journalistic integrity.  Maybe there is a reason beyond the issue of whose pants are on fire that you're hearng so much push back on.  This is about basic rights of the better half of our society.

Get a clue, both sides tell what they want the voter to hear on  a myriad of subjects.  We can chose without your great beltway wisdom to guide us.

Michael
Michael like.author.displayName 1 Like

This is a fine example of the false equivalence Fox News has shamed the mainstream media into. Being predicated on an "America that doesn't exist" is beside the point. The tape - and the full transcript - show that if Roe v Wade were overturned and a GOP Congress put a bill on his desk banning ALL abortion, Romney would, in his exact words, "be delighted to sign that bill."

Because he's flip-flopped on the issue to suit his audience doesn't make that statement, or the question he was answering, one iota less clear.

Romney's position (with exceptions) is one of convenience - there's nothing he can do either way unless Roe is overturned. So it doesn't matter if he talks out of one side of his mouth for the GOP base and the other to the broader electorate - they won't see his true position unless that happens. It's perfect for him.

In fact, I would suggest that using BOTH his statements, it's clear he supports banning abortion WITH the exceptions, unless Congress asks him to ban all abortion, at which point he'd be "delighted to."

bobell
bobell like.author.displayName 1 Like

Okay, Michael, I've read your post and thought it over.  The first problem, which both you and I have, is what standard we're applying to the question.

- If you take the Obama ad as an attempt to literally convict Romney of wanting an abortion ban with no exceptions whatever, the evidence clearly dies not establish Romney's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

- If you're applying the preponderance-of-the-evidence standard, in which you put items of evidence on both sides of the scale and see which adds up to more, then I think your argument for Romney still prevails.  Obama doesn't have enough evidence to overcome the evidence you've mustered in Romney's favor.

- If, on the other hand, the question is whether there is probable cause to believe that Romney would sign a bill outlawing all abortions with no exceptions, it seems to me that that's the case.  He was asked the question, and he did give the answer, and they're right there in your post.  Probable cause.

So which standard do we apply to this issue?  Remember, we're actually talking poliltics, not law. Unless someone just changed the rules, politics still ain't beanbag. And unless twisting the truth (your phrase) has somehow become identical to contradicting the truth or fabricating "facts" out of whole cloth, the Obama campaign's twisting on this issue does not equate to the outright fabricating of the Romney campaign on so many issues.

Romney could have cleared this up, when asked the hypothetical question, by saying expressly that he wasn't going to try for a no-exception ban.  This is a candidate who is legendary for both outright lies and sudden switches of position.  You have to parse what he says very, very carefully.  One reason the Obama ad is so credible is that it plays directly to these character issues.  Just look at the hash Romney has made of both truth and logic in his shifting description of his tax "plans" (he's had several). Look at the ad he's running right now denying the Obama campaign's allegation that he opposes birth control -- when of course he knows and you know and I know that Obama has never made such an allegation, only that Mitt doesn't want to involve the governmen in paying for contraception.

Okay, Michael.  Obama is twisting the truth.  But Romney has murdered it and cut it into little pieces.  Let's see a post from you discussing the comparison; otherwise I think you stand accused of a bad case of false equivalence.

Dan5404
Dan5404

Unfortunately, the GOP platform and Ryan took the ultra-right approach of banning all abortions.  Apparently they gave in to the hated, more centrist approach...that is, unless they are elec ted, then the old flip-flop will again prevail and they'' conveniently forget everything they said during the campaign.  Let's pray that never happens for the sake of America's future.

jncc
jncc like.author.displayName 1 Like

So he would be happy to sign a bill banning all abortion.  But it is a lie to say he would do so because that is unlikely to happen.

You really are a hack.

mjshep
mjshep

Great comment!  That really exposes Scherer's unparalleled hackitutde.  You can't criticize Romney's position because he'll have another, opposite one, in a few minutes.

One of the great insanities in all this right-to-life craziness is the idea that life begins a conception and all life is sacred so we can't possibly condone abortion because it is murder.  Except of course when the pregnancy is a result of rape or incest because banning abortions in those cases and forcing a woman - maybe a 15 year old woman - to carry a baby to term in those conditions  would make us look like the monsters  we are.  SO, according to these folk, the rabid forced birthers, of which Romney is one, according to his own statements,  murder is OK if we don't like your father.  Nice.

tschorr
tschorr

That is one of the most confusing things in the whole abortion debate. I understand that some people believe life does not begin at conception and that abortion is not murder and acceptable. I also understand some people's position that life begins at conception and it would be murder to end it. What I don't understand is how you can think life begins at conception, abortion is murder, but you can murder people in certain cases. That makes no logical sense at all and underminds these people's "belief" that abortion really is murder. Despite all their talk, I don't think they really believe abortion is the same as murder - otherwise there could be no exceptions.

73yearoldVet
73yearoldVet

The Obama Administration is the most dishonest since Nixon.

 

They continue to lie about Romney on a daily bases.

 

They are engaging in a major cover-up much worse than the Nixon cover-up in that 4 Americans died. The entire administration is lying to protect the president's re-election hoping they can delay the American people finding out the truth until after the election.

 

Obama does not deserve another term. All he has is smoke and mirrors to show for hs first term. He is the most incompetent, inept, inexperienced and dishonest person to ever hold the office of president. Thank God it will not last much longer.

Leopold_Stotch
Leopold_Stotch

@73yearoldVet Yes. I look forward to seeing the Obama's move out of the Whitehouse this coming January.

bouchs3360
bouchs3360 like.author.displayName 1 Like

I'm assuming you have proof of all these "lies and cover-ups", right? After all, since he's been lying on a daily bases (sic) there must be a huge amount of inaccurate information that can be verified from independent, non-partisan sources. That being the case, please provide some examples of the President's lack of truthfulness. Otherwise, I would suggest you turn off Fox News for a while and pay attention to the facts.

filmnoia
filmnoia like.author.displayName 1 Like

He has no proof. He's just a demented old geezer living out his days, so the future of this country is  of no matter to him. He's one of those "I got mine, so screw you",  types, of which we have millions.

Dan5404
Dan5404 like.author.displayName 1 Like

Besids being toally wrong about Obama's status among presidents, you will also be proved wrong on November 6th.

Hollywooddeed
Hollywooddeed

I'm not sure how you can say the Obama campaign has made a false claim. Willard has flipped so many times on this issue, sometimes more than once in 24 hours.

mjshep
mjshep

 It is very difficult to lie about Romney's positions since he does that so well himself.

allthingsinaname
allthingsinaname

Hypothetical bill that he said he would be delighted to sign. By your reasoning the Obama campaign would not be able to be critical of any hypothetical Romney Presidential policy

Anthony Gerard
Anthony Gerard

Mitt Romney has Never been consistent about anything. Romney is a cynical, political opportunist who will lie, mislead and flip-flop in order to win votes. He has sold himself as a " severe conservative" and now all of a sudden he is moderate Mitt.  

Romney made millions out of Ponzi Schemes and

the Big Dig.

Romney Entwined with Players In Stanford Ponzi Scheme

http://crooksandliars.com/karo...

SEC investigating Mitt Romney and Big Dig

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Romney Invested in Medical-Waste Firm That Disposed of Aborted Fetuses, Government Documents Show

http://current.com/community/9...

Mitt Romney's wife had blind trust invested in Goldman Sachs' sex trafficking fund http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

Mitt Romney : ' MY JOB IS NOT TO WORRY ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE '

Ann Romney : ' My Job is to Hide Mitt's Tax Returns from YOU PEOPLE '

Romney Invested in Medical-Waste Firm That Disposed of

Aborted Fetuses, Government Documents Show

http://current.com/community/9...

Mitt Romney's wife had blind trust invested in Goldman Sachs' sex trafficking

fundhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk...

Romneys Rail Against A Hospice In The Neighborhood Where They Forced A Mormon Temple Through (VIDEO)

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2...

Mitt Romney attacked gay schoolmate with scissors

http://www.examiner.com/video/...

Romney wouldn’t be where he is today without

Government Bailouts for himself, for Bain Capital, for his Billionaire

supporters and for his Olympic Games.

‘ Mitt Romney – the Government Built him ‘. Mitt Romney is a tax evader, vulture capitalist, professional liar, cynical opportunist and serial flip-flopper.The

Federal Bailout That Saved Mitt RomneyGovernment documents prove the

candidate's mythology is just that

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Romney's Auto Bail-out Billionaires

http://www.kickstarter.com/pro...

Mitt Romney's Olympics Bailed Out by Tax Payers

http://videocafe.crooksandliar...

Romney May Have Paid No Federal Income Tax From 1999 to 2001 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

Romney helped outsource spy equipment to Iran through China?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/...

Mitt Romney Still Makes Millions of Dollars a Year from Bain Capital

http://www.theatlanticwire.com...

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

I thought there was something else - like Romney supported some bill that amongst its many items included a push for a ban on all abortions without exemptions or something like that and while he technically supported the bill and thus could be classified as having supported such a ban, he didn't really support that specific line item.

Aside from that, thank you for clearing that up Michael.  It has been.... frustrating having that fight on this forum over that one, especially since I do not enjoy time spent trying to defend Mitt Romney.

Commentary Fortytwo
Commentary Fortytwo

I can't imagine anyone defending Mitt Romney. He has no plan and no integrity. 

Kevin Groenhagen
Kevin Groenhagen

Well, there's a shock. Obama is dishonest.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91 like.author.displayName 1 Like

 As opposed to the paragon of honesty that is Romney?

curt3rd
curt3rd

What does Romney keep lying about?

mjshep
mjshep

 Just about everything.  How about his tax plan?  How about his record as Governor?  How about "binders full of women" which he did not ask for, but were given to him having been prepared BEFORE the election by an independent group?  How about Obama's economic performance?  How about saying Obama increased the deficit when he actually cut the deficit in his last budget 37% from the budget that was handed him by Bush? How about that Obama raised taxes when he actually cut them?  How about "cutting medicare by 716 Billion" as if those savings actually meant less services for seniors? 

I'll get tired typing if I have to list them all.

Dan5404
Dan5404

Depends on which side of the issue he is on that day.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

curt3rd.... Most of those lies on that site are pretty clear lies.  Just burying your head under the sand and ignoring it isn't going to make the reality that they're still lies go away.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

 How about his little lie about being a coal man that Obama stuffed back in his face during the debate?

Kevin Groenhagen
Kevin Groenhagen

 mantis, like most liberals, is incapable of thinking for himself.

curt3rd
curt3rd

You would point me to another liberal media outlet. Do a little homework for yourself and dont take eveything they tell you at face value.